PLUMBING PIPEWORK FAIL | PRESS-FIT V’s SOLDERING… Still a lot to learn

Plumbing pipework fail | Real world plumbing view on the press fit v soldering debate… and this job you will see why we had to use both in the end.
Press fit is great and some things and not so great at other, just the same as old school plumbing soldering. However sometimes you have to just do what you need to to get the job done.
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[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Still getting to grips with the whole Pressfit thing as you will see in this video… It’s all a learning curve and great to be able to show you just what it’s like… warts and all….

[@cputilitysolutions]

Nice comparison video mate. Also in case you didn't know, a little tip for the press gun - once you start a press, wait for the first green light on the trigger to go out and you can let go of the trigger and it will continue the press automatically. Saves you having to keep the trigger pressed

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate….. worked that out today after a few others had said about it. It’s all new to me buddy👍🏼👍🏼 Still on the fence with it if I’m honest….

[@chrisholt2474]

Hi Mark, first apologies for my late comment (due to illness), another fantastic film. I think all applications for joining pipes have their place, sometimes solder, sometimes press fit and even plastic has a place, as we have said. Being able to use press fit whilst there is still water in the pipe is great and can save a lot of time. A film comparing cost of end feed to press fit will be brilliant. I’m hoping to get to installer show, if my health will let me, take care, regards, Chris. 👍👍👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Hope your ok Chris….. take it easy buddy, would be great to see you at installer again. Yep I plan to do some comparison videos soon

[@blairhmfc1]

Love your channel mate. I've been out the trade 8 years, now getting back into the swing of things and your channel had really helped boost my knowledge.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thankyou buddy…. Kind words

[@dw_plumbheat]

Great video pal! I had the exact same thoughts/issues when i started using press, i like going between the 2, some jobs are suitable for press some are more suited to soldering, You get used to making that call pretty quick though buddy! 👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks Dave…. It’s just learning where and when to use what when it best suits

[@mattundercoat]

I can’t believe you said that garage was full of junk. We’ve seen your lockup! 😂 A YT Live would definitely be worth a go. Can’t hurt to try it once…

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Hahahahaaha……. Brilliant🤣🤣🤣

[@DARCEYP912]

Press fit doesn’t have to replace soldering, just like push fit. In certain situations it’s fantastic, in others maybe not so much. Personally think it’s absolutely worth while to have the option to do both.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

100% agree buddy….👍🏼👍🏼

[@richardlewis5316]

Absolutely agree. Under floor - plastic pipe and pushfit, new visible pipework - end feed solder, wet joints compression or pressfit.

[@thomascoyne157]

Nice work,I’m just a DIY plumber,so i don’t care about looks as long as I can afford it and have no leaks I’m a happy . I’ve even been known to use a copper push fit . That was at the side of a gas boiler and kitchen filter put a screw into the cold water feed and was dripping for about 6 years as it was a dot and dab so didn’t show itself ,had to replace the plaster board luckily it was below gas boiler and to the side of it. I could not get in to solder a pipe on, so in the end, use a push fit, brass fitting and soul and the bottom one replacing the damaged 15 mil pipe. never had any problems after that 👍👍👍👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Do what you need to do (within reason)…. As long as it doesn’t leak👍🏼👍🏼

[@tonymurff5234]

Ye still sitting on the fence, I think press is perfect for new complete installs, But on existing press and solder would have to work together, Great video as always Mark 👍👍🤜

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate….. yep I’m still getting used to it as I said, think the key is to have the fittings you need in stock…. I’m building up what I need at the moment

[@paullbennett2923]

Press has been around for a while now in the mechanical sector , i first used about 20 years ago. Last year we completed a phased re pipe on a hotel which i think was about 250 years old - possibly older. The roof spaces were the filthiest , messiest ive ever seen. the pipework was from 15mm to 67mm and i can say with certainty that if it was all soldered the local fire brigade would have had a busy time !

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

😮😮….. Yep press is slowly trickling down to us plumbers now I think

[@tirvplumbing]

Big boy blowtorch too for the 67mm

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Jet engine 🤣🤣

[@paullbennett2923]

@@tirvplumbing Still got my old Bullfinch torch and Calor gas bottle gathering dust in the garage. Portapack and silver solder rods are best if you're doing end feed above 54mm.

[@5084204]

Very interesting video. The only concerning thing is the lack of clips, but redoing the offset shows that you really care.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

👍🏼👍🏼

[@glyndavies591]

Enjoyed the video it shows have you have to adapt to different situations but again a tidy finish

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

100% mate…. I’m still learning it but enjoying the different way of doing things👍🏼

[@tirvplumbing]

You made bending that 22 look too easy. 😆 I have to do it on the floor. 😅 Bends are better I think. Quick and easy (but not cheap!) with a bucket of press fit fittings to get round anything but the frictional losses and potential leak points add up over a whole system. I'd be up for a live video at some point. I'll try and catch you at installer on the Thursday if you're still around then.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yep it’s all about building enough stock on the van I think, I have 15mm fittings covered…. Just the 22’s caught me out

[@ianw9397]

I’ve been using press fit in the marine industry - top tip, always check the seal. Been caught out with them a few times.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Good tip that 👍🏼👍🏼

[@iaingray594]

Love the debate. But have to stop as my missus has had enough of crimpig press sound. Neather is better or worse. But its great to have the option in the van if you van afford it .

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Indeed buddy….. everything has a place

[@xavierssembusi6651]

Love this ,keep up mate , after this video , think I am buying that tool, that was so easy and quick

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Cheers buddy….. see link for great deals on pressfit from Pressit UK

[@kevinisaac9139]

Still like solder fittings neater and hell of a lot cheaper good video Mark we have managed for years with soldered you could have used a compression straight

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yep I certainly prefer soldering I think

[@kevsuths]

Like people have said press has its place, took me a while to use it but now that I have its great, especially like you said if there is water in the pipework. Hopefully the more it’s used the fittings might get cheaper 🤞

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yep I think as I get used to how to go about it it will get easier etc👍🏼👍🏼

[@Ragnar8504]

Not sure how much the price is going to drop. The Germans have been using press fit all over the place for 20 years and it's still five times the price of solder fittings.

[@daveperkin8376]

Great video again. See press fit as another string to your bow. Carry on with the brilliant content.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks Dave 👍🏼👍🏼

[@davidgarofalo3800]

I do renovation work in London, I’m a carpenter. Getting plumbers is a nightmare. We run our own second fix plumbing, don’t touch gas or the boilers, considering press fit. Big investment but it gives you peace of mind.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

👍🏼👍🏼

[@garyredfern5303]

Loving your ' journey ' 😂. There's a place for every type of fitting. I love pressing but today I had to solder because press just wouldn't have worked. 👍👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate….. seems a lot of people are enjoying this content

[@langy1318]

Experience will have you giving every bit of extra length in the pipework to allow for press fit awkwardness

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

I know what you mean…

[@matthewvincent3855]

Awesome work and video mark your a super star 😊

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks buddy👍🏼👍🏼

[@adydanner]

Just a question when joining the underfloor circuit to the flow and returns. Do you need to have close coupled T's for hydraulic separation?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

This is a good point and some say you do and others say you don’t. The manifold has a mixer and bypass on it to help with this

[@pedrosmits]

When you route the pipes, pay more attention to the flow direction. I see a lot of T joints and bends. Put a bend first where the most flow is, after that you can use a T. For example the return above the boiler. You could’ve go up from the boiler, left bend (male/female) and directly a T joint. It would save you 2 bends of flow restriction, and fewer cost. You would need 2 more couplers, but those are cheaper than the bends. Also, I prefer fixing the pipes, before pressing and cutting everything to size. More accurate and works faster.

[@williambelford9661]

I'm an inveterate DIYer and obviously press fit is not economically viable for me, but it interesting to see.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yep it’s a huge cost for plumbers let alone DIY people….. like you say it’s always good to see something different

[@nedloh17]

Its all just a learning curve ..adapted and survive.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Indeed 👍🏼

[@richardsedorski1206]

Something different great stuff.👍👍👍😎😎😎

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Indeed mate…👍🏼👍🏼

[@runamonk]

at the end of the day it's about doing what's right for each situation. Who can complain about that?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Completely agree mate

[@wolvolad25]

Can the pump and boiler handle all the water and heating

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yep, not a problem at all

[@StormmyStormmy]

Hi Mark, do you deburring your pipework before you fit into your fittings?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

I don’t think I have ever debured the internal pipe in my whole career…. The pipeslice dedures the outside

[@StormmyStormmy]

@@MJTiffPlumbing Hi Mark, you should go to the Gebbrit training day, it’s in your area, I went a few years ago, they stated that internal/external burrs and edges should be removed, and you have to mark the pipework before it is fitted into the fitting or it can invalidate a warranty claim, have things changed over the years?

[@ChelseaFC190512]

No automatic bypass?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

It’s on the UFH manifold….. 👍🏼

[@killercabbage1276]

That boiler has an integrated one methinks. No use on the manifold if the valves shut really.

[@ChelseaFC190512]

@@killercabbage1276 yeah it's gotta be before the valve otherwise no point. Not digging out his work at all just wondering

[@DarrenFord55]

Mark why have you used the negative word FAIL. What you have actually shown is how press fit can live alongside soldering. Just like plastic push fit can work with copper, as i said mark i am 55 on a Professional Plumbers Course you are giving me so much knowledge. Would be great if i could shadow you for a day. As usual keep going legend

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate…. Glad your picking up tips from my content. The fail word is a KZbin thing I guess…..

[@andymav3023]

No way is perfect but each way has its advantages in my experience I use both …pressfit has gotten me out of so many situations and these days a lot of places don’t want hot works!

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yep a time and place for everything

[@llamedosr7843]

Can you twist a press once it's on?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

No mate, locks solid👍🏼

[@TheMaintenancePlumber]

Yea go for it would love to see the lives can be like a round up oh the week and to vent lol

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

👍🏼👍🏼 really should do one I think

[@JakeMcNamara1]

Press fit does look very neat all the same. On side note, would you not need to fit an auto bypass now youve zoned the system?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

I have buddy… popped back this morning as they didn’t have one at the time in stock

[@julianphelps3852]

We are bloody lucky these days that there’s the choice of solder or press fit; shame there’s so many differences in the type of machines/fittings etc like vhs/Betamax/laser disc etc!?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Indeed we are…👍🏼👍🏼

[@dantaylor1724]

Not exactly a 100% fail. Good to see you made good somebody else's previous work ! 👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

I 100% couldn’t use a pressfit elbow where I wanted to😉

[@dantaylor1724]

@@MJTiffPlumbing ooh I see ! 👀 😁

[@richardlewis5316]

Press fit v solder joints is a bad comparison. Pressfit v push fit or compression is more accurate. Any joint which is wet can be done with pushfit or compression. For new joints a solder joint is neater and cheaper than pressfit.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Comparing any copper jointing to each other is a good comparison 👍🏼

[@mikecave4154]

Just need to make space for the by pass now aswell 😂

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Plenty of room for that to go in Mike… 🤣🤣

[@pablocrypto1687]

Well that was a de-pressing vid 😅😅😅!

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

I really don’t want to chuckle…….. but ….😂

[@macdonaldplumbingheatingsupply]

Do Live... Do ask me anything Lives

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Anything!!!!!….🫣🫣

[@stewartmcneill2262]

It’s handy but wasteful if you need to modify lots of other downsides

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Pros and cons mate

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Pros and cons like everything

[@stew1975]

Now wire it all up 😁

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Straight forward this one….😉🤦🏻‍♂️ That’s what the sparky on site is doing this week🙌🏼

[@tomobrien8417]

I know i'm old school but something about pressfit does not ring right,never mind the price

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

It’s been on the market around 20years now….. it’s filtered down from Commercial to now used it in domestic….. it’s being used a lot more so thought I would showcase it a little

[@tomobrien8417]

@@MJTiffPlumbing great vids mate as you say proper plumbing

[@maccamcfcflc]

Am more commercial and we have to put our initials on our crimps.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yer I’ve heard that about commercial

[@maccamcfcflc]

​​@@MJTiffPlumbing also we have to put a cross on each individual crimp on each fitting

[@hamaadrana6191]

That Magna cleans is the wrong way round

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

No it’s not….. it can only go one way👍🏼

[@hamaadrana6191]

The return to the boiler must be at the highest point of the filter

[@BillTangy]

Weird how your saying it's the only way you can do it and in thr next breath saying if I had this part it would work... Maybe get more parts in your stock cupboard fella

[@patrickoreilly3166]

Bloody hell you must be getting paid well from you tube cause at the rate you are working no customer could afford to pay you 😂😂

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

DHC…… at had one of these for a while🤣 Why’s that then????……🙄🙄 For your information I’m booked up till just after Christmas….. 👍🏼

[@ScottyDog345]

Its quicker and for insurance purposes CHEAPER

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

👍🏼👍🏼

[@Sithomas80]

It’s not a debate, it’s just another technique that has a time and a place, like soldering, pushfit, compression etc. Some places you can’t press, fittings don’t fit in, the gun doesn’t fit in and you have to solder. Sometimes you can’t solder, flammable materials, water in pipe etc, so now you can press.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Completely agree buddy

[@Jim_Newlands]

I'll be honest, I'm a Brickie who really doesn't like plumbing but I am absolutely fascinated by this channel! 😂😂 It's is just so real, and relevant...just a bloke doing a days work, no bullshitting, no "insta" falseness. What you see is what you get......love it! 👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate…. Really appreciate the comment 👍🏼 Exactly how I want the channel to come across Just showing it how it really is on the job👍🏼👍🏼

[@richardlewis5316]

I agree - M J even gets into situations which he has to puzzle over - probably a bit longer than it appears on the camera!!

[@musket2091]

jim....have a buchers at plumb like toms channel, he is the same, all real life no bullshitn

[@waynejones6570]

For years I've never liked press fit but last year I thought the M press fittings look decent... Now I own one and can't go back 😂😂 Quality content as usual Mark, love watching your channel grow. Keep it up mate 👍

[@marksherrit5874]

Yeah he's top stuff. 👍

[@NeilRahill]

Hi Mark, I just want to say I am a big fan of your channel. I am a self-employed plumber from Dublin and in the last five years got into teaching the plumbing/pipefitting (industrial plumbing) which they seperated in ireland 6 years ago because of the broad nature of plumbing. Only a suggestion but think you would have a natural talent to be a plumbing instructor , love your passion , honesty on topics such as difficult customers , mental health and keeping the skills alive in plumbing both old and new .copper over pex all the way mate . If your ever in Ireland , give me a shout love to show you our plumbing workshops . Keep up the good work . Neil

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Wow…. Thanks for the comment Neil…. Genuinely taken aback by it. Thankyou….🙏🏼🙏🏼 Really glad you like the channel and the way I’m making the content… just showing the day to day on the job….. like I say it’s Real World Plumbing. I certainly will give you a shout if I’m heading over….🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@phil18751]

Where you mark your pipe depth you should also do a mark through it to the inside of the fittings to the pipe end. So it looks like a cross. If you ever have a major failure, it will prove to insurance and manufacturers that it was crimped at the correct depth and the marks wasn't added after

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

👍🏼👍🏼

[@Sandysand701]

Interesting, din't know about press fit fittings, could they be pressed into place by squeezing them with mole grips on all sides, the machine looks expensive. I don't really see any advantage in them compared to compression fittings, (apart from looking neater, or in a very tight space) I squirt a drop of WD40 in my compression fittings just before tightening them up, you can really feel the olive bite doing this, have never had one leak after. Also you can undo a compression fitting if you want to change things around. Can the press fit be undone, or will it need to be cut?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Nope…. Has to be a calibrated force etc etc

[@deanshillito5813]

My worry with pressfit is it's longevity of the o rings against solder systems !! Also wouldn't a bypass been a good idea against those 2 ports!!

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

I think it’s a proven thing now it’s been around 20 plus years. Yep a bypass will be going in before it’s filled up

[@stevecrane17]

Also if you were soldering that tee those plastic clips either side may have had to have been moved otherwise they may have melted a bit. Great vid as always

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Glad you enjoyed it mate👍🏼👍🏼

[@richardredman3947]

Poor boiler pissed itself when you put your torch near him.🤣

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

🤣🤣🤣…. I spotted that too

[@jimmyman8031]

Short bit of pipe in middle of tee, motorised valve on that, then you would’ve had room for a piece of pipe with a set to go between motorised valve and elbow

[@simononeill380]

On the video for the comparison jig ..add in tectite sprint

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Good shout 👍🏼👍🏼

[@keithcampbell7214]

Brilliant video, yes there will be some debate going on about this. As a diy’er I couldn’t justify using press fit due to the cost. Soldering wins every time for me 👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks buddy….. yep it’s a raging debate that will always have valid points.. I do prefer solder tbh

[@Ragnar8504]

The main argument pro press fit for DIYers seems to be risk of leaks. Press fit is supposed to be almost foolproof while soldering definitely isn't, I've seen professionals needing to redo the occasional solder joint and certainly have had a few leaks on my own joints. The most annoying one was a T under the floor that only started leaking after three or four years. My uncle, the plumber who supervised the job, suggested it might have been incompatible paste and solder. The price difference is eyewatering though. For my last bathroom I considered press fit MLCP because the pipe is a lot cheaper than copper but ended up going with soldered copper because the fittings ate up the price difference. Compression wasn't an option, reversible connections must remain accessible to conform to the regs where I am and we wanted to do things by the book.

[@Derekm-ls7jr]

nice one mark to show the pro's and cons of press still think press fittings have to come down a lot as they make it more expensive for the job ..cost vs labour? always enjoy real world plumbing and heating.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate…. Glad you like the content. Tbh press is my go to now… soo much quicker and easier along with a lot more tidy work wise…

[@sunnybeachwalks4k2022]

Throw the torch in the bin mate, you’ll save money on your public liability insurance too 👍 plus save so much time soldering

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yep that’s a plus

[@terrywallis693]

It's quick and to be honest nothing wrong with mixing methods.... As an amateur DIYer...I've used the pre formed 45 bends...saves having to bend pipe....never say never...you may use one

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Indeed buddy 😉👍🏼

[@dmarriott9701]

Good job as usual Mark. All different methods of connection have their particular place. So long as everything is functional and you’re happy that’s all that matters. Only thing I didn’t like was using the wire wool over an open end, I think the abrasive roll stuff is better, but each to his own.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate…. 👍🏼👍🏼 Good point with the wire wool aswell

[@rossirvine7590]

My issue with press fit is that it is taking the skill out the trade. Once you understand what slip means on a connection your good to go. Maybe I’m just old school but things like press fit, plastic pipe make the trade easier so the standards drop and anyone can start throwing work in. Case in point on this video is that return pipe. They give some of these muppets gas tickets for a 6 week course. A decent soldered cylinder cupboard will wipe the floor with a press fit job. Nice video again mate

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Completely agree with what you said buddy

[@staciesims9339]

Not a lover of press fit at all ,too bulky looking and with the expansion of copper how will the o rings fair .. I remember the big hype when speed fit come out 20 plus years later and the amount of speed fit fittings i come across that are about to fail or have failed is massive especially when going from speed fit to copper on heating circuits

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yep some people like it and som don’t 👍🏼👍🏼

[@wayneholden6581]

Hi Mark hope your well I'm not into press fit really and it's also very rare I use push fit only time I do if it's under floors or behind walls other than that it's copper and soldering. Love the channel watch your videos all the time it's an awesome channel I'm a plumber myself in the Manchester area . You should do a live KZbin that would be good to answer people's questions. Keep up the good work and videos mate 👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks Wayne…. Glad you like the channel and it’s relatable 👍🏼👍🏼 Yer I really should get a live done and interact one evening with everyone👍🏼

[@pearcemachineshop5200]

I’ve the Rothenberger press tool, wish I had never bought it, it works fine but I find it to much of a pain to use most of the time, when I do use it I can’t help but think I’ve been cheating, 😅

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Hahaha… I know what you mean🤣

[@lsaria5998]

From what I've seen the people who really stand by press-fit copper are all *really* good with pipe bending; and it's not just a cost thing - if you can bend a pipe round a tricky run you don't have the issue with trying to get the jaws into tight spaces etc. For example where your underfloor return came down through the ceiling that could have been 1 peice of tube with 2 bends that threaded up to the plastic pipe and would literally only need 1 press onto the t-junction - but you have to be confident with your pipe bending because if you muck it up it's not £5 in fittings it's a 3ft run of pipe that is now useless.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yep great point that👍🏼👍🏼

[@jrdn92]

Just need to be patient and think ahead of where, you can and can't fit the gun into but as many comments say use both to your advantage

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yep I’m just getting used to it now

[@raymcknight753]

JUST WONDERING DID YOU NOT NEED AN AUTOMATIC BY PASS ?? KEEP THEM COMING WEL DONE......

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Bypass is down on the UFH manifold👍🏼

[@warrenprescott7955]

You need one before the two motorised valves incase both close.

[@waynenixon729]

Also maybe Hydraulic seperation (Close coupled tees) depending on if the flow rate for the system exceeds what flow rate is allowed through the boiler.

[@marcjs84]

Does it not require an auto bypass with the motorised valves? Or is it inbuilt in the boiler?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yer it does…. I’ve added it since, infact you will see it on this weekend video👌🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@DF-cc5im]

I use a plastic fitting on copper if I can't solder for whatever reason. Thought about press fit, then saw the price! Also my tool bag is heavy enough as it is, it's just another bit of kit that you have to empty into your customers house. But never say never, as they say.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

I said never…… about 18months ago…… now look🤣🤦🏻‍♂️

[@garryritson7712]

Can you use press gas on wet, what's the difference

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

???

[@ajmcdonagh7730]

Does multilayer not exist in England

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

You mean plastic pipe??

[@johnwaby4321]

Well Mark its still a learning curve but you are doing ok with it ..not always possible to use all press fit ..perhaps if it was a new job then you could work out the pipe better .. All good 👍 👌

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Exactly John….. 👍🏼👍🏼

[@robcoulson8520]

Yeah soldered fittings are cheaper but the price of solder flux gas and extra labour don't think it ends up costing anymore. And I always understood that you should ream your pipe for pressfit ?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

I think your right, it all outweighs each other I think

[@samspry9452]

Question for the pressfit guys, could it have been okay to solder a street press elbow (as long as the O ring is removed first) into that tee, mark needed?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Interesting…. Look forward to the reply

[@paullbennett2923]

No it wouldnt work as the gap between the pipe and the inside of the fitting is too large. Maybe with leaded solder , but i would not trust it. Lead free no chance as its useless for filling large gaps.The only way you could do it is braize it like the AC techs do.

[@samspry9452]

@@paullbennett2923 I'm not sure if we're on the same track here, But just confirm for me anyway, could you solder the stem, of the street press elbow, into the end feed tee?

[@paullbennett2923]

@@samspry9452 Don't see why not , the o rings can be tricky to get out without damaging them though.

[@samspry9452]

@@MJTiffPlumbing perhaps a video idea?? Solder a stem elbow, after taking o ring out, and then putting o ring back in and then pressing a fitting, Can it be done mark?

[@SuperLewis05]

I'm maybe looking at it wrong but could you not put a street elbow directly into the motorised valve then another street elbow coming up. I know you can cut a bit off press fit street elbows to lose a few mm

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

If I had them I would of…. But I didn’t have any at the time, think I said in the video👍🏼👍🏼

[@SuperLewis05]

@@MJTiffPlumbing yeah sorry. I commented just before you said it in tve video 😄

[@terryleaman3038]

Interesting vid mark

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks buddy👍🏼

[@neilcharlescochrane]

I absolutely think pressfit has its place amongst all other methods in general plumbing, super interesting this😮

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate, glad your enjoying the content… trying to give an honest view of beginning with it

[@keanMechanic]

What’s a street elbow?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

An elbow with a pipe size tail….. if that makes sense

[@rickystephenson518]

Soldering all day long.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

👍🏼👍🏼

[@adamdavis561]

Go for the lives!! 😄

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks Adam 👍🏼👍🏼

[@UKMadMike]

I heard you have to leave 90mm between each press fitting. Otherwise can cause leaks. Be interesting to know ?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Really…. That is very interesting to hear. Will have to ask some people👍🏼

[@UKMadMike]

@M J Tiff Plumbing ye please share because I'm still learning lol. This was with 54mm copper pipe though and I have seen evidence of leaks when fittings are close together. I'm guessing the smaller pipes will be less than 90mm though. If it is true.

[@BrickTop900]

@@UKMadMike yes look up the technical guide for the fittings you’re using. The larger diameter the larger the gap required but certainly not 90mm. Use press pretty much exclusively these days on commercial. No hot works

[@chriscurtis6843]

looks alright to me

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

👍🏼👍🏼

[@charliefox6987]

Great video mate 👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks 👍

[@NLPexperts]

You didnt deburr the pipes. You can use angle jaws to get pro press in almost anywhere. Besides that great, 8/10.

[@eddiereed5025]

Would have had isolating valves in the outlet of those 2pirts for future maintanence

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yep…. Good shout that. It’s a fairly small property so swapping them if ever it is needed would be an issue but I know what your saying

[@NLPexperts]

The issue is ball valves are so expensive with pro press. How can their be a learning curve ? Either you pulled the trigger or you didnt.

[@copperskills3973]

I think it’s just thinking more ahead than anything Mark. With press it makes you think two steps ahead and once you get going you’ll be fine. Speed comes in time like anything mate. The tight press where you soldered could of been done another way and you probably thought of it when you were in the van or afterwards of which you would do next time 👍

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yep a few ways of doing stuff it would seem…. It’s all about learning like you said

[@Ragnar8504]

I think the press fit folks might have cut out the existing T and used a new press fit T and straight elbow.

[@stixstonesinvestors5413]

Love this mark. Finally being able to catch up on your vids since we last spoke. Your spot on mate. As for what’s best etc. what does it matter if press or soldering whatever is better. Depending on the job and how you feel should be when you decide when to use what. I’m very open person and look if water can’t get out it’s a win win. I mean the only time I would think not to use press fit would be rads when pipes on show. There a bit bulky the fittings but still as long as the enemy don’t escape lol it’s all good. There is no right or wrong. Keep the vids coming mate. Your channel has become the only channel I watch now when it comes to plumbing. Thanks for sharing mate 😀

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Thanks mate… really appreciate the comment buddy 👍🏼👍🏼🙏🏼

[@carpy1ful]

I still always solder, how many times have you unsweated an elbow tight to a wall and cleaned up the end. Can’t see how you can do that with press? Also the fittings are so expensive and so is the kit to press it. And it’s bulky. I get it if a pipe is a bit wet, or maybe in a loft. But I’m still yet to be defeated by either of those with soldering. How much time does it actually save??

[@rogercoates1884]

It’s all about cost etc

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Time is money….. and this saves time and because of that…. Money 👍🏼

[@johnwaby4321]

On another note I have seen press fit blow off as well 😮

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yep….. I’ve seen pressfit/pushfit and soldered fittings blow off….. nothing in life is 100% apart from the end..🤦🏻‍♂️

[@alexshepherd3308]

What about a auto bypass for pump overrun?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

I’ve literately this morning been in and fitted one as I completely forgot with the faff that went on…… a few people have mention that 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@alexshepherd3308]

@@MJTiffPlumbing sweet. Been toying with the idea about getting a press gun. Hopefully fitting will come down soon.

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

Yep that’s the biggest thing is the price I’m finding

[@johnsmart4692]

I think the decision is coming to a conclusion , your already to date @ > £2000 with hardware and fittings and you will probably need another £200 to give you the full composite for you arsenal for every scenario. I just don’t think the benefits for the type of work warrant the capital. Even though am old I embrace new technology when the benefits justify the investment. From the short experience of your videos am so glad I’ve never changed lanes from copper/ endfeed. But admire you trying it , but it’s not worth it. IMO KEEP UP THE GOOD VIDEOS

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

I completely hear what your saying and it makes a lot on sense…👍🏼 It’s something I’ve wanted to try for a while, 18months ago I was dead set against it but thought it would make for some great content on here…. Seems to be getting a lot of interest and I have a few more videos coming soon comparing the different ways of connecting pipework👍🏼 Glad your enjoying the videos John 🙏🏼

[@antoniogalluccio4213]

15:08 I think cutting the soldered tee and replacing with a press fit tee would allow you to do the same (fitting a press m/f 90⁰ elbow to do the same configuration. Don't you agree?

[@MJTiffPlumbing]

I agree….. however as said in the video I didn’t have those fittings on the van or at the merchants in press fit to be able to do it there and then👍🏼