When Tech Companies Lie to Us...

Tech company lies exist on a spectrum. How far is too far?
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[@Mrwhosetheboss]

I can’t see it becoming any less of an issue unfortunately - if anything, the more complex the tech becomes, the easier it is to fool the average consumer with meaningless specs, cause they have less and less of an idea on how the tech is actually working - Great vid though, we should keep calling it out when we spot it 👌

[@ansariaden]

Great video indeed, hello from Singapore

[@R3DBLAZE]

He’s tryna steal your audience bro😂😂

[@MYDOESofficial]

My man well said

[@rizzskidibi]

Great video indeed, hello from Africa

[@rizzskidibi]

Great comment Arun I agree the tech companies should be more up-front because they clearly try to confuse the customer.

[@Afrotechmods]

Mad respect that you can hang out with Elon and review his cars but still remain independent enough to call Tesla out on their marketing

[@alexhndr]

Definitely

[@zacbackas]

yes how impressive of a reviewer to "remain independent" lol

[@HeavyMetalorRockfan9]

When he said "look at what else was in the presentation" and showed a still with the Tesla Semitruck, I'm surprised he didn't call that out tbh, the Semi also had a similar delivery schedule and failed to deliver, a bit more significant for something advertised to "beat rail" on cost. Or full self driving. Or robotaxis. He literally picked the smallest thing that is of no real importance to anyone to critique about tesla, the one foot of rollout standard.

[@ClaxtonBay123]

He was INTERVIEWING not “hanging out”. It’s his job

[@borisquince6302]

Ya, it's really a low bar to ask a tech reviewer to be independent.

[@alextasarov1341]

The problem with Tesla vaporware is that they took deposits and then never delivered…

[@evanrhildreth]

The Roadster scam runs deeper. Instead of paying for traditional advertising, Tesla created a "referral program" where they offered 60 influencers (bloggers and KZbinrs) free Roadsters in exchange for shilling the Tesla brand (according to Electrek). Those people made videos and blog posts expecting a free car for their efforts, but got nothing (other than ruining their integrity by shilling for a brand). That would have been a lot of advertising for $15million, but Tesla got it for free because they're not producing the Roadster (they haven't even offered the Plaid as an alternative).

[@jonnowocky8179]

@@Buggabones getting that refund is quite an operation - and those cars are never coming out

[@dmitribovski1292]

@@jonnowocky8179 Yes they are coming out.

[@DamianMarx]

@@dmitribovski1292 citation needed. And no, bro trust me doesn't cut it as a citation

[@NateDecker1982]

@@DamianMarx What are the cars that were announced and have deposits but aren't yet delivering? It was the Semi, the Cybertruck, and the Roadster. The semi delivery event was 2 weeks ago and those are currently going out to customers. Cybertruck has begun early production (there are photos). So you can clearly see progress toward delivery on this stuff. It's true that they are way behind schedule on them, but it's not like there haven't been legitimate reasons.

[@clawsoon]

When people believe that "full self driving" actually means "full self driving", it has had some pretty harmful real-world effects.

[@theovanderwiel725]

that's why it's a beta program, it's not finished, dont know if it will finish or if it won't, but just pointing it out.

[@BMWiE-lz3nu]

How dare them believe what they were told from elon...

[@jackhammer078jack4]

Because tech companies lie. It is that simple

[@stevengerendash7522]

People hear what they want to hear. Cruise control has been confused for full self driving too. Stupid people will always find ways to kill themselves.

[@carboy101]

They should probably stop calling it “full self driving”

[@AuthenTech]

I petition camera sensors should have a naming scheme like TV’s. Maybe mm diagonal? Super easy and straightforward.

[@chrysostomoskaraliolios5813]

Pixel or subpixel area seems like the best option to me. I mean there's only so much the manufacturers can do to beat physics

[@juststeve5542]

Full frame 35mm sensors are actually 36mm wide! (That would be 43mm diagonal)... At least the still side of cameras appears to be a little more honest.

[@denesk2794]

And if they still use imperial measurements, they get a 1 year timeout in the corner, licenses to sell revoked. As much as I get triggered by "inches", I honestly never converted my TV and Monitor and Phone sizes to cm/mm. Only width to see how many of them would fit on my desk without tipping over on the sides :O There .. my 34'' wide screen is 86.36 cm..... now I know ...

[@TheHookUp]

Except then we'd call .91-1.00in sensors "1in Class" sensors.

[@notme756]

sick petition

[@mountainslopes]

The way DJI literally had iconography showing a 1” diagonal measurement. Likely a misunderstanding by marketing but feels worse.

[@b0nz1official]

To be fair it is a really common misconception. Ask a few professional photographers- I bet half of them also don't know.

[@TCSMaingot]

Chyna

[@realtissaye]

@@TCSMaingot k

[@gunnarbjarkiii]

yeah, that's straight up lying!

[@thecianinator]

Somebody at that company with marketing oversight definitely saw that mistake and intentionally let it pass.

[@Miv51miv51]

One of the definitions of lying is: "to create a false or misleading impression" - so yes, they are lying.

[@jennyanydots2389]

It's not a lie to say that your underwear is full of skid marks and ALL your clothes are covered in sea men stains. That's no lie boy.

[@fjdididiididid1238]

@@jennyanydots2389 r u ok

[@jennyanydots2389]

@@fjdididiididid1238 You don't ask questions boy you just do what you're told son. You got it or do you need me to sound out the words for you boy?

[@fjdididiididid1238]

@@jennyanydots2389 would honestly like to see you sound out the words digitally so yes please

[@MaticTheProto]

@@jennyanydots2389 aww, a smoothbrain musk cultist in the wild

[@colinmartin9797]

Also we call a 2x4 a 2x4 despite them only being about 1.5x3.5. because the board STARTED at 2x4 inches before being dimensioned and rounded over.

[@marsgizmo]

Love the 1-inch sensor backstory explanation!

[@BabaG_69]

I just don't get why inches is still used instead of the metric system.

[@charleshyde6461]

@@BabaG_69 I'm measuring everyday for my job with inches and it's stupid. I'm with you on this!

[@rystal]

Yeah that was really interesting!

[@eadrianbasila]

Just like when you ask a guy about “his size”. There’s always this +- value you need to account for lol.

[@dominicstocker5144]

@@eadrianbasila why would you ask someone that

[@LCHedley]

Tech companies must have a 'Hate how much I Love you' kinda relationship with MKBHD . . .

[@tinashetf]

🤣🤣🤣 was thinking the same thing

[@thebishopchess]

accurate.

[@SnivelakFilms]

I like how you speak, sounds like talking to a normal person or friend about technology and stuff you like, like close and friendly and very interesting! Great work!

[@HollywoodHDworld]

Like RED’s 10.000$ Laser Projector from NAB 2012 that never came out.

Exactly!

[@chibicitiberiu]

My biggest issue with these "lies" (even when technically they are not lying) is that they are meant to deceive, and make people think their products are better than they actually are.

[@weakbruteforce]

That part....

[@MechaPlays]

Welcome to all of marketing in the history of ever

[@RickKasten]

If they are meant to deceive, they are lies by definition

[@Devilmaycry-Joker]

@@RickKasten Exactly, the product being good should not negate their lies. Some people are either too sympathetic to companies or just gullible.

[@bobfg3130]

They are lying. There's no way around it. You don't know what you're talking about if they are not.

[@AdamRoss30]

The 1 inch sensor situation reminds me a bit of when people we first started getting into large storage sizes (GBs and TBs) and people were confused why their 500GB drive doesn't have 500GB.

[@altus3278]

That's caused more by the confusion between GiB and GB

[@kaizen5023]

Same with KiloBITS vs KiloBYTES / Mb/S vs MB/s ... of course cable companies always list speeds in MegaBITS/Second because they know most people don't the difference and people will assume Megabytes... this is so shitty, not sure how these marketing people sleep at night.

[@AdamRoss30]

@@altus3278 Really it's not confusion it's just mis marketing. Most storage sizes in the US are marketed by GB but then in the small print on the back of the box it will say 1GB = 1,000,000,000bytes. Anyway, I just said it reminded me of that situation, not that they are 1:1 the same.

[@metaltyphoon]

They were the sizes they mentioned. The filesystem on the disk takes space too and people may have no idea what that is.

[@blu3260]

@@metaltyphoon Uhm, source? I'm pretty sure even windows doesn't hide the fact that the installation itself is space taken up on the drive, and that it was caused by the GiB/GB difference that shouldn't even exist in the first place. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[@OroborOSX11]

The 0-60 time measurement is literally the most worthless feature an automobile can tout. Inarguably. Never in the history of consumer vehicular operation has that capability been needed.

[@Megatonaxe]

It's almost like they use it sound cool and sell vehicles to idiots.

[@jamesengland7461]

You've obviously never attempted to merge onto a highway in Atlanta in a 95 horsepower 78 Chevy Malibu. Joining 75mph traffic is scary when the short onramp only permits you to attain 40mph. I know, that problem is a thing of the past.

[@igor_misic]

7:44 nope, as an Engineer working for High tech companies I can tell it is only because CEOs think they understand the product while in reality they absolutely have no clue.

[@artronics]

The sensor size measurement is exactly similar to how we still use "horsepower" as a unit for measuring power. As new technology/devices comes out, we still need a way to compare it to existing one. The problem is that after a while those old techs are not relevant anymore.

[@kaimelis]

only dumbass people use hp. kilowatts and nm's are used where im from.

[@ShuAbLe]

@@kaimelis You don't need to call people dumbass to express that kilowatts and mn's are better than hp.

[@Anankin12]

@@kaimelis nm is a dumb way of comparing the stuff. Way better with Nm at a certain RPM, to measure how actually usable the engine is.

[@ShersGarage]

It is a unit of measure. Can be converted to watts. Just like other imperial units. Use of it doesn't make you smarter or dumber depending on what you use.

[@joshuakerekes6457]

It's one of the main reasons why sensible countries use metric.

[@AGlimpseInside]

The lumber industry‘s been lying to us forever as well. Have you ever bought a 2 x 4. Oh excuse me… A 1 1/2 x 3 1/2. Ain’t nothing about it 2 inches x 4 inches.

[@kyledefreitas8506]

They used to be. Then they found out they could make them smaller without losing any crucial strength

[@jameslyons158]

I have been lying to my wife about 9” for years😜

[@coar]

@@jameslyons158 she always knew, just kept quiet to make you feel better :)

[@murrynathan]

That's what she said!

[@SteveHutchcraft]

I thought of this immediately.

[@TESLAenjoyer]

It’s not just Tesla. Every car manufacturer subtracts a 1 foot rollout in their 0-60 time.

[@ILoveTinfoilHats]

Ya exactly, if they DIDN'T do this they'd be dumb

[@savyor1839]

Great vid MB, surprised I haven’t found you on YT before, instant sub! I especially loved the historical background, and how it still affects modern tech. Reminds me of how, way back when, they started dragging carts out of mines. These carts were initially nothing special, same as any farmer would have, drawn by a single horse. The miners realized rails would make the work much easier, and the width between these rails became the first gauge for railroads. That gauge has survived into modern times, and because certain components of the space shuttle had to be transported by rail that would pass through tunnels, was the limiting factor for how big we could make the spaceship.

[@BetoSmith89]

As a Donut Media🍩fan, I’m extremely happy to hear your recognition ! They’re great!

[@mohitsoni2289]

Dude same 💪🏻🤜🏻🤛🏻🤝🏻

[@lone_berserker]

Donut media fam!

[@pranavkulkarni2675]

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[@CWZimba]

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[@axelode45]

Those guys are awesome

[@TheSamRSS]

Another misconception: Transistors. When a company markets their product to have a new 5nm technology, 14nm, 28nm, etc… its usually a marketing tool. If you were to cross-section these chips and measure their nodes (using a high magnification electron microscope such as SEM, TEM, STEM), you would get varying results +/- 10nm. Meaning, it is possible to measure ~10-15nm for a transistor that is claimed to be 5nm,

[@andrewmaperson]

ok

[@ashutoshmahapatra537]

Wow that's a new fact! It's always important to test real life performance.

[@chaklee435]

5-10=-5. what?

[@fran2911]

@@chaklee435 It's a range, 5 to 10.

[@adenosinetp10]

I think, when they say, 5nm, 7nm, it means the gap between two transistors.

[@Idiotsincarshere]

10 months and Tesla is still lying. They still advertise 1.99 0-60mph and 200mph top speed. No asterisk on either.

[@georgehgordy1690]

The problem with harmless lies ( From anybody, but especially corporations that take our hard earned money ) Is that they make harmful lies okay to tell their customers... A lie is a lie is a lie and the really dangerous part of this is a lie can become the truth if it's repeated enough!

[@vitorperez1989]

As a linguist and an English teacher, this "1-inch sensor" thing is right up my alley! Just the other day I was telling my students how "turn on" ended up becoming "switch on" because of technological advancements, from a knob, which we would turn, to a switch. And nowadays we have "power on" on our cellphones. Studying languages and how and why they've changed is just so much fun!

[@CHMichael]

Rolling up the window

[@Hans-gb4mv]

But then again, the 1" sensor is based on an industry standard. So I don't see that one as a problem or even a lack of evolution. It enables anyone who knows what they are talking about to make a comparison. It's also a little bit like the megapixel race we used to have with cameras. Most people don't even know how to interpret that, all they know is that the bigger the number, the better the picture will look.

[@sh4hriar]

@@Hans-gb4mv Industrial standards (and their related terms) get reviewed, revised, and renewed every year. I wonder why this one magically has not changed through all these years and companies insist on using the old term for a modern irrelevant product (using a term suitable for vacuum tubes when talking about digital sensors).

[@juliaf_]

@@sh4hriar we still use ISO. It used to be that 100 was just a standardized film sensitivity, but now it's just the default sensitivity on a given digital camera, making it mean essentially nothing

[@rakshithg9669]

ok

[@snakexpert552]

The most popular one is always "12 hour battery life" or some general statement as if you're experience with that device is going to be the one you claim. But that "12 hour" calculation is made with a ton of asterisks that aren't how normal people use their phone

[@ILoveGrilledCheese]

Like when they say (two day battery) which means...two days if you never turn it on at all 😄

[@beactivebehappy9894]

@@ILoveGrilledCheese my phone gets me through two days. I have pretty moderate to heavy use. Includes KZbin Instagram PDF, E-readers and browsing, with mobile data always turned on. with a couple of minutes of Spotify here and there. no gaming. around 15 hours of Screen time

[@makoro9161]

@@beactivebehappy9894 wtf? 15 hours SOT? what kind of phone you have lmao

[@KEANUWHITE]

when in actuality, with moderate use, it's sort of like 6-8hrs

[@200Carl]

Headphones: 30 hours of play* (*with volume 2 out of 10)

[@adityashukla7849]

You forgot about the electronic chips and how that industry measure their 'nanometers'.

[@aexel7]

For the editors, nm - nanometer N m - Newton meter

[@spooky.-]

At this point anyone who knows anything about Tesla knows to add 2-3 years to their dates and scale back all their claims significantly.

[@CatalystNetwork]

Except model y. That was early

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

@@CatalystNetwork Because the CT and R 2.0 were late.

[@EverythingButSorted]

Yes, Semi is nowhere, Roadster is nowhere, Robotaxis are nowhere, Full-Self Driving is not actually full self driving, etc. I like their cars, but I don't trust what Elon says, lol.

[@Anonym-dx2tp]

@Joe tbh just get the enhanced autopilot it’s enough, buying the FSD is just wasting 12.000$ for promises.

[@star831]

Lol so true, still waiting on the cybertruck

[@BlacktailStudio]

Really interesting. Always wondered about the electric car torque numbers. Well done!

[@adampatel415]

Oh hey Cam

[@TheCrypt1c]

@@foreigner6195 luckily they dont replace one battery but 7104 batteries ;)

[@Muskar2]

​@@foreigner6195 I can tell you. One report of a 2013 Model S needing a battery replacement now out of warranty, and Tesla quoted them $22.5k. That's a 85kWh battery. And cars like it sold for $25k in the market, so that's obviously not a great deal - even if it'd likely last 15+ more years. It was two (of 16) battery modules that were faulty, but Tesla doesn't provide partial battery replacement (under warranty they'd still replace the entire battery for servicing simplicity, at their own expense) so the owner found a third party repair shop that could do it for $5k. But this issue is much more rare than people thought it'd be back in 2013, which you might be alluding to, since there's both independent and Tesla-based data that shows an average Tesla battery pack has 90% capacity after ~180k miles - and they've improved their battery QA much since 2013 (especially since Jeff Dahn joined in 2016). The way I see it, the issue is that Tesla prides itself with high focus on design-for-assembly efficiency but neglects so many other aspects (that are industry standard) - like repairability. In theory, EVs have a lot less maintenance requirements and expenses but Tesla isn't focused on minimizing ownership costs - to me, it looks like they're focused on safety, future-proofing and increasing production. I think their approach is understandable, since it's terrible to rely on the goodwill of investors for funding, and you could make a utilitarian argument that they're still making a bigger impact by pushing the industry much faster than what they have any intention of (which was their ambition since back in 2008). It certainly satisfied the shareholders more when Tesla shifted from focus on customer-satisfaction to "maturing through profitability", and it made them far less susceptible to shaky criticisms (like battery fires, long-pipe arguments etc.). They've been in hypergrowth-mode ever since and have gotten a lot of valid criticism for not living up to repairability or build quality standards of their competitors. But I suspect out-of-warranty battery replacement is probably going to be one of those things that will be covered under car insurances since they're very uncommon but obviously vital and expensive, and the rest the drivetrain is likely to last much longer than the typical owner wants to own it. Unlucky early adopters will have to pay for it though - and it could take a while for that to change since EVs are probably a decade away from being primary global sales (battery supply cannot scale faster than that), three decades away from being primary ownership (100M cars/year -> 2B cars on the road) and thus up to four decades away from their TCO's being intuitively understood by most people. In the meantime though, you can still own a Tesla several years under warranty and sell it off for low depreciation, and avoid that risk if it's a high concern for you. Or trust the numbers and find a way to insure yourself out of that risk.

[@Freemouse159]

Your work is dope.

[@Mike-dd8bd]

So it appears its a marketing scam.

[@eric55406]

Great explanation of the 1" sensor. Stupid that it's still talked about this way, but makes sense now.

[@DustinHallXVX]

I did construction for a summer and was flabbergasted when I realized that '2 by 4s' are NOT 2" x 4" - they're just CALLED that nominally!

[@aslye]

My favorite is Tesla's "Potential Savings" default price for their cars which includes "potential incentives and gas savings of $4,300" 😅

[@brett7011]

Ya that shit is ridic.....and people actually believe it.

[@paladain55]

The sad part is when you compare it to a plug-in hybrid the fuel saving is only $250 a year. I don't know why they refuse to talk about plug in hybrids instead of going straight to higher priced EVs.

[@waynelewis9110]

@@paladain55 It’s because EVs are quickly becoming far more desirable than plug-in hybrids, so companies like VW and Ford are trying to get ahead of that.

[@infiction7651]

@@paladain55 250 for 5 years might only be 1250, but you also have to factor in oil changes which in the same period is probably going to bring it up to 2000. And that’s for a best case alternative that gets plugged in every day, and there’s some controversy on how often phev are. Not a fan of how Tesla lists the price, but in my case it’s way underestimated because I drive 20k miles per year, so the edge cases go in both directions.

[@Glenhh]

@@paladain55 Because hybrids are terrible. They cost more than a gas car, have a weaker motor than the gas car, have a smaller battery than the BEV and only use less fuel if you drive like the driving cycle dictates. Many hybrids actually use mor fuel because they charge their battery. It’s a ridiculous technology that very few people buy. So why talk about it?

[@BuzzaB77]

The Channel "Engineering explained " did a great break down on this. that 1.99 wasn't just done with rollout, there was track glue down too. Another grip aid from the drag world.

[@jarnold1789]

Yep. For what it's worth though, the one foot roll out is industry standard and all of the 0-60 times you see are measured this way. What's even more interesting is if you look at 5-60 times, they are always a good bit slower than 0-60. For example, Car and Driver reports that the 2021 Supra does 0-60 in 3.8 seconds (one foot rollout of 0.3 seconds excluded) and a rolling 5-60 time of 4.4 seconds. The 5-60 times can't take advantage of launch control so it's more representative of what you'll experience driving in normal conditions. Interesting stuff

[@juanmedinar20]

You are forgetting about the cold air thrusters that the roadster is supposed to get.

[@austin6211]

@@juanmedinar20 exactly, he broke it all down on the Joe Rogan podcast

[@mimamooon7926]

@@jarnold1789 it’s the American standard, here in Europe (or Germany at least) 0-100 is measured from a full stop. And 60 miles don’t equal 100km either, more like 96km.

[@soerenbo]

​@@jarnold1789 It's only the american standard. European cars (which make the majority of performance cars where numbers like this are actually looked at) are all measuring 0-100 km/h (0-62 mph) from a standing start without rollout. And in independent tests most of them hold their promised values or are just slightly off. Cars like Porsches often even beat their own numbers in test from journalists, WITHOUT rollout or other tricks.

[@jazlally4144]

It's 2024 and Still Not Here

[@pyropat9777]

3:36 that sound effect you added when the text came on reminds me of airpods dying

[@MindShackleFilms]

The DJI site actually had a diagonal line from corner to corner with the 1" in the middle... nobody else did. Shame...

[@aoobbb]

The marketing department who makes these infographics, claims and advertisements actually have no deep understanding of the product they are marketing.

[@thecianinator]

@@aoobbb That's why we need regulation.

[@D1smantle]

I was expecting some kind of introduction, but MKBHD went straight to point "you know how tech companies lie to us right..." 🤣

[@marios449]

The 10kNm stat is simply meaningless without a power figure. By adding a shorter gear ration you can literally make ANY car have 10 thousand Nm of torque! It's purposefully deceiving for the uneducated on the matter and I find it really sketchy, yet unsurprising.

[@Dankboi420]

German cas: 0-60 2.6s on a drag strip, lets call it 3 seconds Tesla: "rollout" that no one can ever achive

[@onedeadsaint]

man, I really wanted more examples of companies actually lying vs all the examples of companies technically-lying-but-not-really.

[@thecianinator]

In the early 2000s there was a vaporware game console called the Phantom, you can read about that. There was also Nikola motors, which sold non-existent trucks. And the Cicret bracelet promised features that weren't even physically possible.

[@SolaceMcfly]

@@thecianinator the nikola one is probably the best example. It was horrible

[@RickKasten]

Elon Musk has lied about just about every one of his companies and their deliverables. He promised fully self-driving vehicles by 2021, didn't happen. He promised the Boring Company would open a tunnel under the Bering Strait connecting Russia to Alaska in 2022, they haven't even gotten permits much less broken ground. He promised a fleet of robots would be launched in 2021 landing in 2024 to terraform Mars to prepare for humans landing in 2030, that is literally decades away from happening. The Hyperloop will never happen, because it breaks the laws of physics. The non-shattering glass, Tesla semis going into production in 2017 and available for purchase/lease in 2019, the list goes on and on.

[@tstan6827]

@@RickKasten Is being late on a timeline really lying about a product? Like if we are supposed to ship a new version of software by a certain date, but it comes out 1 year later, it still shipped. Admittedly, the delivery date is wrong, but you still got the software. If you say you are going to make dinner for your significant other by 6pm, but you have challenges and don't deliver dinner until 7pm, did you lie about making dinner? You can't wrap Elon Musk up with Nikola or Theranos. The guy actually delivers. He set out to advance the speed of the auto industry transitioning to sustainable energy, and it's happening right now. He also set out to create low-cost space travel. Guess what, SpaceX has reusable rockets that land after going to space. They also catch fairings before they land in the ocean. Hyperloop was a tech paper, it was never a company. PepsiCo is getting their semis this month. Dude, when something has never been done before, how can you expect people to be exact on dates?

[@Eiferius]

@@tstan6827 If a craftsman tells me he gets my sink installed by afternoon. I expect that it is installed at afternoon. If it isnt the case, the craftsman lied to me, because it is afternoon and my sink is not installed. The same is happening with Musk. He tells poeple during product shows wonderful tales of his products that are going to be available soon. So poeple start buying stock in the companies of Musk, because he talks about all the nice products that are going to hit the market soon.That in turn increases the value of the companies of Musk. Now it turns out Musk was just blowing smoke and his investors are holding a bag of stock that isnt as much worth as the real value of the company and they have to hope that at some point in time, his products do release, or they are going to lose a lot of money on the stocks they bought. The same thing already happened at other companies. Musk is just lucky to have actual products he can sell or he would also get hit by fraud charges like the CEOs of Theranos or Nikola.

[@JasonBA96]

Would be interesting to have a "when companies tell us the truth" video...

[@mkbhd]

Already thinking of remixes before you finish watching the original. I like it.

[@ABoxIsMyHome]

@@mkbhd yooo that would be awesome :)

[@SebasECA]

That Tesla looks awesome though

[@jordanyeet5347]

Haha yea

[@GladanDsouza]

Yes

[@ikrolo1]

"pun intended" Thank you, thank you, thank you! It's a pet peeve when people keep saying "no pun intended" after they made an intended pun.

[@FlorinSutu]

I was student in a university focused on the metric system. The whole country and the whole continent, excepting Great Britain, were set on the metric system. In the 4th year of study, the teacher for electrical drives said: "Do you know why we still use a lot "horse power", instead of "kilowatt" (kW)? [ . . . then silence from students ] Because the same power results in bigger number, and people are always happy with bigger numbers for power."

[@ParkerFloris]

Good Breakdown Marques and team - nice to have an overview of all of these marketing strategies in the tech industry :))

[@alfredojami3176]

@Instagram User you're everywhere.. get some life

[@shacktime]

Uber and Lyft: “Be your own boss.” Facebook: “Free and always will be.” Elon Musk: “Teslas will be built on Mars in 40 years.” Saying techies lie is like saying lava is hot.

[@phoneiphone2384]

like Marques, but you do realise this “breakdown” is quite obvious facts, nothing new?!

[@Prochevas]

No decir toda la verdad es mentir ...

[@Nextburjalarab]

Not lies though are they

[@LouisKleiman]

I have to conclude the "0-60"stat is a lie because when the clock starts, the car's speed is not 0. Simple as that.

[@rahulgupta43701]

I agree.

[@Joel-ee4yh]

Engineering explained has a detailed explanation on the whole 0-60 thing. Check it out if interested.

[@mitsubishop]

Shouldn't we measure the 0-62mph time too?

[@xsleep1]

Yet the best times, and most accurately measured, are at a drag strip where the 1' rollout occurs because of the way drag strips work.

[@kerogre256]

I depend how precise is 0... especially with modern GPS... 0 is never 0... never was... precision just changed... before 1980(GPS) dragstrip method with rollout was most common, repeatable ,precise way to get 0-60... it never was -0-60 and new GPS 0-60 are not real 0-60 precision only changed...

[@adam.adventurenz]

Pretty new to your channel but I really like the way you talk honestly with your views and give a fair account of both sides of any argument just to keep buyers well-informed. Thanks for the awesome work!

[@jimmyadaro]

Has a great team working with him!

[@FantasyNero]

For Million Dollar and you still didn't make *8K* Videos even in 2022, i been watching you for years!

[@32krod]

Love the video, just wanted to point something out since you're on point with basically everything in your videos. Newton meters should be denoted Nm, since nm stands for nanometers and Newtons are always shortened to N. Very interesting to think about the wheel vs motor torque, I'll have to see what an average car's wheel torque in 1st-3rd is.

[@DJKrowbarKE]

As an engineer I knew someone would notice that. Glad to to find you.

[@adityakhabiya5348]

@@DJKrowbarKE yeah me too

[@TROPtastic]

It's really surprising that Tesla didn't catch this mistake in their presentation.

[@anselml2928]

Scrolled down to like this comment

[@Gearbhall]

I have to give you props on having this conversation as a tech youtuber. This is above the level of many automotive journalists and is something I expect from someone like Jason Cammisa. Good job Marques.

[@MrMarkOlson]

Elon also over-estimates the range on Teslas, whereas some other makers under-estimate range (Porsche).

[@garyclark6747]

Rimac Nevera: By any measure, is being produced, sold and is faster than Tesla will ever make any vehicle to 60MPH, in the 1/4 Mile or top speed which has all been documented on video of some size sensor. Tesla’s 4680 took awhile to arrive and will take longer to optimize in to “The Roadster” but opening orders for something that couldn’t be made at the time, has collapsed to multiple lawsuits from depositors seeking a refund. If it’s real Tesla should readily refund these outrageously cheap reservations to sell it at the multiple million dollar mark worthy of a worldwide record holder. So why do they resist❓ The answer is obvious and those are the facts.

[@Eidi920]

Thank you for being a massive KZbinr and being outspoken on issues like this and right to repair. Thank you for bringing light to these issues and calling companies out. You're a class act.

[@user-qp8jk5dj2e]

nice sony product placement bro!

[@techcloud2510]

he did not talk about op stealing user data selling it to third party and selling their phones for cheap calling those flagship killers.

[@hueyjacksonjr5371]

Dude, you need to make more videos like this. I feel like I’ve learned so much. Great video MKBHD!

[@andrewcopple7075]

Thanks for the learning today! I definitely think pointing out companies misleading decisions is a huge benefit to customers of both those products and your reviews. I wonder if we'll ever get to see you and Louis Rossman on the same screen together.

[@jamespetkwitz8737]

have you ever bought a 2x4?. . I feel like you'd be really pissed! haha

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

Here's another fun one, 1 actual horse = 15 horsepower so when an automaker says "the power of 400 horses" they want you to think that's 400hp but in reality it would be closer to 6,000hp!

[@AMalas]

???

[@MechaPlays]

It's closer to 14 if I'm not mistaken, not 15. But yeah, 1 horse makes around 14 horse power. It's so ass backwards at a glance, but when you go back through the history of it, it sort of makes more sense

[@jacktalos7]

Why would they want to showcase a smaller number

[@juzoli]

That’s the maximum power of a horse. While the unit we call “horsepower” is based on its SUSTAINABLE power.

[@BenSullinsOfficial]

@@juzoli this is actually also listed, check out Porsche "boost" horsepower ratings

[@pnoykenshin]

I have to say - THANK YOU for adding actual subtitles instead of having viewers using crappy auto-generated ones. You are making your content more accessible and inclusive for those who are hard of hearing or similar disabilities.

[@dirkcz9987]

Are you sure you didn’t have the auto subtitles enabled by default? Because I don’t see subtitles

[@lleeexx]

these subs were not synced...

[@gluino]

Huh. I turned off CC because I was seeing Eng subs that were very late.

[@theDigited]

That asterisk has actually more to it. You need full battery charge, you need to heat the battery for ~10 min to get it to perfect temperature, and then you have to activate "cheetah stance". And substract the rollout. And measure to 60 mph, not 100 kph like Porsches do. That's a lot of special clauses there.

[@asharak84]

this to me is pretty important yeah - you can't for instance expect to get these figures taking it to a normal drag race, because you won't manage to get cheetah mode and so on all staged with the lights so it's not an achievable figure on the street or on the track - it's only achievable in specially set up scenarios where the tree is being held for you to get it ready. So it's a big darn asterisk!

[@CasabaHowitzer]

The fact that you need to measure to 60 mph is self-explanatory. The claim is a 1.9 s 0-60 mph time, not a 0-100 km/h time. I don't think anyone actually thinks that 60 mph is exactly 100 km/h.

[@ascended1924]

2023 and still no idea when roadster is coming.

[@gcntech9071]

The competition is so aggressive that the CEOs, the companies and the marketing dpts are exaggerating in crazy levels. Phone cameras is the biggest example. There are tons of cases not only in tech stuff. More interesting will be when they actually say the truth!

[@zippofire8550]

@Instagram User which content?

[@zergslayer69]

Remember, GM is leading the EV market

[@mrED123]

future goals*

[@CatIsBack25]

PISS

[@okage6219]

Elon Musk is the worst of the bunch

[@imranfarrooqh3516]

This is the first time I've sensed an otherwise stoic MKB as angry, especially during the Tesla segment and rightly so if I may add. Props to you for standing up against even the biggest trend setters. Really appreciate it.

[@mavfan1]

Anger? Timestamp?

[@curt8806]

He didn’t even mention FSD in vaporware so he was very nice. Fsd by definition can’t be babysat so Tesla don’t have it until it’s level 5

[@ingerasulffs]

@@curt8806 Is it vaporware though? I mean they are actively and very publicly developing it. Or perhaps it will turn into vaporware if it turns out they can't do it with the current camera configuration only?

[@Bralkor]

@@ingerasulffs imo it's vaporware because they are selling it right now as fsd when it clearly isn't. I can't sell people ice-cream and just send them milk and tell them I will eventually learn how to make ice-cream.

[@thabolefleur9655]

Tesla literally owes him a car and change

[@dropfxinc]

These seems like some pretty intense scrutiny - likely musk hoped for these things - he strikes me as more an excited little kid

[@JohnWick-qd6nh]

Take a shot every time marquees says '1 inch sensor'

[@aykhanislamzade]

It’s really important for people like you, whose voice gets heard to say these stuff and call companies out on their bs. I love how honest and transparent you are since the first days. You and MrWhosetheboss are probably the only 2 tech reviewers I trust!

[@kenchan123456]

I LOVE that Marques did this, and I really hope that he calls our companies on lies and even misleading statements like these more in the future. One of the most frustrating things about being a consumer of new tech is not being able to fully trust what we hear about them, and so one of the most valuable things we can get from a review is the knowledge of when these lies are told. We need to know which brands are trustworthy, and hold accountable the ones that aren’t with an actual hit to their reputation and sales.

[@mendelmarozov888]

Another big lie is when anybody says “assault rifle”

[@protoman1214]

Marketing has always been a very powerful tool. As a young man I became away of this due to the heavy use of buzzword marketing with televisions, especially with the advent of widescreen/flatscreen technology. I was getting into tech back then and was flabbergasted at the extent of misleading claims and marketing and silly proprietary techs that would get advertised.

[@ben5676755]

I love how this feels like having a sit down with Marques and just letting him rant about this Job. This is my kind of content.

[@loganfarris597]

I read a comment a few months ago pointing out that Marques' channel is transitioning to analyzing industry trends that influence current tech products. I think it's really cool and significant in industries like smartphones, where the specs become more and more incremental. I think he realized that continuing down the path of comparing specs would become monotonous, whereas investigating industry trends can be massively insightful into controlling the products that do launch.

[@sonystyle2k7]

Challenge: take a shot every time Marques says “1-inch sensor”.

[@Busaio]

I was about to comment that. lol

[@drewski91]

i tried im going to the hospital

[@fastmoviesppZ]

Take a drink

[@Gepstra]

No.

[@HulluJanne]

@@drewski91 I admire your will and ability to type regardless.

[@nyChannel09]

Mercedes AMG one... Announced specs changed about 120 times. Even though its due to laws and regulation (not everything), they still lied. This is also nitpicking like most stuff in this video imo. In the end, who really cares if its 1.99 secs or 2.2 secs.

[@vincentmbe]

If you reduce everything to lie or truth you’re gonna need more air quotes

[@heke1888]

There is also one reason why I appreciate German car brands. Almost without exception, their cars are accelerating faster than what has been advertised.

[@ozanvolkan1]

Nein not true, i have an mercedes c350e which it says it needs to accerlate in 5.7 secs. İ never saw lower than 7 seconds.

[@D3nn1s_NL]

@@ozanvolkan1 because you bought it second hand and are not teking good care of it.

[@ozanvolkan1]

@@D3nn1s_NL no i bought it near new in 2017 with only 9k kms on it

[@D3nn1s_NL]

@@ozanvolkan1 oke then you can go back to a mercedes dealer and tell them that you have a problem. Did you used highest power mode for the electric and motor?

[@ozanvolkan1]

@@D3nn1s_NL no it went to the warrenty once. İts usually just the best case scenario. İts usually a lie. That guys who get faster times tune it, i owned alot of cars none matched the advirtised speed.

[@eliaswilson7911]

Marques: says “Donut Media” Me: **Greatest Crossover Event in History**

[@deletedchannel3633]

Bra....

[@onilovni1234]

A claimed 1.99 seconds is still 10% off when the real 0-60 is 2.2 seconds.

[@forcedanonymity1791]

One thing I’ve always HATED is how audio amplifiers are sold in big text on their peak Wattage, when you pretty much have to enter into the world of audiophiles to ignore those false numbers and scan for the small text tech details to find the RMS wattage. THIS is no honest little white lie.

[@MarioP495]

I feel like at least part of this video is coming from years of pent up frustration from realizing the little lies and omissions from companies and it finally needed to come out as a sort of rant

[@ratuldeoun7228]

This is why it's best to not get your hopes up on tech products that looks to good to be true

[@EverythingButSorted]

Yes, critical thinking is a good skill to posses - in everything.

[@shacktime]

Increasingly the case with these robber barons.

[@ItsMadRiv]

Instagram User lol leave dude we don't need your bs here your content is trash

[@The-Heart-Will-Testify]

iPhone 14

[@riddyrid]

Mmhm

[@albertlanger2339]

A good take on awakening us to advertising. In the '70s baldness had a cure. It was actually a wig after much money was spent.

[@cheaphydroponic1442]

Basically the motor produces; for example 1475 IB-ft of torque , then after a gear reduction of say 5:1 it will output 7376 IB -FT at the wheels. 5:1 gear ratio means that the motor has to spin 5 times to make the wheels spin 1 once, which multiplies the torque of the motor by 5 times.

[@EricBlackmonGuitar]

I have to give it to you Marques. You are a very smart man.

[@augustuscampbell1313]

Very thorough too

[@francisj4058]

@@augustuscampbell1313 that's why he makes the big bucks

[@mokaLARE]

@Joe if all those original ideas come from Marques, he should get all the credits. Anyway, this is how the world functions : the boss gets all the credits and honors bla-bla-bla.

[@JyuzouNT]

This is an extremely "play safe" take on this topic, to be honest, just like his take on the Right to Repair. There are lots of other KZbinrs reporting on the topic with more useful information. Marques has left a ton of detail here, especially on Musk; he's been involved in tons of anomalies other than using misleading specs. Seriously, that's the most minor one to point out. And at the end of the video, I'd translate his "let's be smart buyers" message as "take my reviews with a bucket of salt" instead of doing his due diligence as a "tech reviewer" to fact-check these things before featuring them. But he can't. He has a Tesla, you know. He reviews tech as well. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, as they say.

[@RamMohammadJosephKaur]

@@JyuzouNT can you explain how he plays safe. Can you extrapolate your point with an example?

[@bar10005]

3:41 FYI Newton is shortened to N, nm would be nano meters.

[@theonlyaamir]

It's Newton-meter that they're talking about here, measurement of torque

[@Hansengineering]

In bicycles, there are at least *five* different "26 inch" tires. None of them are 26 inches anywhere.

[@VisitorsWelcome]

It's not just tech that has deceptive measurements. When you buy a 2x4 piece of lumber, it's only 1.5 by 3.5 inches.

[@insensis]

I think a major tech company just needs to release a camera with an actual 1 inch sized sensor and market it as "actual 1-inch sensor" 😂 that way it discredits everyone else's 1 inch sensors and could force a slow change

[@craigw.scribner6490]

The Canon APS-C sensor has a diagonal measurement of about 1.06," so I guess it already exists, but with a different designation!

[@chiciu]

@@craigw.scribner6490 do they call it a 2 inch sensor? 😂

[@alexeysamokhin9629]

No inches thanks! We live in a metric world! Mm please!

[@Chopper153]

@@chiciu They call it APS-C or crop sensor

[@craigw.scribner6490]

@@chiciu lol It wouldn't surprise me if they did!

[@mondobytes]

Let’s not forget companies like Apple creating make believe words like “Retina Display” to make it sound better than what it is when it really just is a higher resolution display

[@AGIANTSMURF]

That’s called “Marketing”. Also neither "retina" nor "display" are made up words. The marketing name directly refers to the resolution being high enough so that your retina (eye) cannot distinguish individual pixels. It's advertising the pixel density, not the resolution.

[@d24]

That's the thing.It's not a high resolution display. It's an enough resolution display that the human eye can't see from a normal viewing disntance. They can put high 1440p if they wanted but they chose to put at a resolution with certain ppi

[@gogobrasil7185]

That's just a name. It might sound better for you but it's not claiming to be something it isn't. I can call my screen "Jeff" that doesn't mean I'm tricking you into thinking it's better

[@Quawnn]

It’s just a name lmao. Kind of like how amoled is just a name.

[@marionjesuthasan5450]

So you mean branding and marketing a solid display- how have they mislead you? It’s like various cars having different names for their all-wheel drive systems. Not the same thing.

[@airakawairashi4528]

It's like someone with you in the restaurant said he want to go to toilet but instead go to restaurant's toilet, he go to his own house toilet and never came back.

[@jonas8266]

What about when companies say like "12 hours of battery life" and then it's tested at almost no brightness, every setting turned off and only watching a downloaded video? *Except the Apple silicon macs*

[@RJ-Isaac-TSOML]

Yes, I have been harmed by tech company lies. Back in 2015 I was in the market for a mirrorless camera. At the time, the best options on the market was the Sony A7, Panasonic GH4 and the Samsung X1. Yes, Samsung made a mirroless camera and it was way ahead of its time. The camera division was rather new but they had the whole road map for new lenses that were going to be launched. So, I bought the Samsung camera. Soon, the launch dates for these lenses and accessories were being missed but Samsung said not to worry, they were still going to deliver. Eventually, they just quietly shut it down and the thousands of dollars I paid to buy into there system was meaningless.

[@jingyuzheng6985]

From mirrorless to meaningless, my dude

[@johnnulf624]

you at least got your money back… right?

[@RJ-Isaac-TSOML]

@@johnnulf624 nope

[@manlish11]

Oh man i remember those days, i had one & it was too sad they just quite without further notice. And the money wasted on their cameras :(

[@johnnulf624]

@@RJ-Isaac-TSOML That sucks. I’m guessing it was too late to return :(

[@youtubeusername1489]

"How tall are you?" "I am hypothetically 6ft tall" "what you mean?" "if I were to stand on a box that is 1 foot tall, i would need hypothetical box that is 6ft tall to cover my head" "so you are 5ft?" "yes I am 5ft"

[@a.Hopeful]

Take a shot every time Marques says "1-inch sensor" 😅😅

[@Washburnello]

There is a difference between a Lie and an Untruth. My understanding is that a lie is told with intent to deceive. An untruth is just untrue. Companies say things that are untrue quite regulary but whether or not they are lying, is harder to determine.

[@maks_st]

The "1-inch" sensor is really a revelation for me. 🤯 Thanks for the video! Great material 👍

[@joakimnorrby]

It's crazy how an already incredible channel just keeps on improving.

[@doctordan1668]

It’s simply unbelievable. He outdid himself on this video. We should pay for this content

[@private679r.i.c.o4]

Yh he's always finding ways to level up the quality

[@DigitalImageWorksVFX]

Probably the only big tech youtuber worth watching.

[@sethbob5742]

They will literally show a cartoon graphic of a sensor with a measuring bar showing it as one inch in size. It's extremely deceitful intentionally

[@MrShmazoo]

This reminds me of silicon wafer processes. The “5nm process” of latest-gen cpus (eg M1 max) use transistors that are actually around 20-30nm large. The “5nm” is simply a marketing label, which really pisses me off.

[@sudhakar7889]

Oh 😳😳😳

[@Hans-gb4mv]

Depends on what you refer to. The size used to refer to the size of the gate of the transistor and not the entire transistor. But even that has evolved and the major manufacturers today have sizing that is basically incompatible. Intel's 10nm for example is not that far of from TSMC's 7nm. But then again, these sizes are so small that we can't even comprehend how small they actually are.

[@turun_ambartanen]

Eh, I think it's ok. This is not a property you directly want, it is just indicative of the performance and power efficiency. What really matters is the processing power. Compare that to a 0-60mph metric - this is something you can directly measure irl and as shown in the video won't be reached irl. A car analogy would be claiming their motors were made with Vibranium. It doesn't matter, because no one cares about the materials. It matters how the motor performs and nothing else.

[@huemansyndrome879]

Do you have a source?

[@almarma]

As far as I know, the Xnm manufacturing process has never measured the size of the actual transistors, but the distance between the lines. In other words, the distance between the "cables", the connections between transistors. The smaller the distance, the more they can pack together and the less energy they’ll consume. The problem reducing that distance has been always avoiding electrons jumping from one line to the other. But consumer computer world is full of BS marketing around it. I’ve worked around computers for many years and almost everything, from GHz to manufacturing process is much less relevant than many other hidden things, like number of real cores, extensions, internal L1 and L2 caches, and other things. And I don’t want to start talking about gaming stuff and "military grade" motherboards LOL

[@Whatmovietitle]

I just loove that you do this kind of video. It is as far as I see, pretty easy to be a reviewer. But what I come for here at your channel is your opinions and your perspective. And also, I kind of expect of you to tell about theese things that is not so obvious to most of us, and things that we tend to forget. Thank you Marques!

[@InekoBK]

First thing that came to mind when I read the title was how no 4K screen is actually 4k

[@stylore]

floppy drives is the mandela effect LOL