How NOT to build a Mockman in 2024 - IDLE HEROES

[@jerzyktv5326]

Great content man, its really nice to watch your videos

[@HyperspaceLKz]

the mockman is sitting at 20% crit, as someone with a solo mockman (albeit A tier) and just under 4m attack who is also stuck at 2-3-1, the best way to go is definitely nuke the wave r1, with omen on the holmes, you can kill them and then the wave gets a whole lot easier - you're not even making use of balanced strike with the build you're running. That wave is 100% beatable, it shouldnt even be difficult at this point with 4 trans heroes. you need either the crit/crit atk stone or the crit imprint, personally im running speed atk with crit imprint to outspeed and have the crit chance to actually do anything. Crown is definitely not the way to go with all the attacks and dot damage that are incoming with being able to cc them first.

[@MKxJUMP]

His halora is too slow to make use of Mockman's Active properly in Round 1, so it's better to stall for a bigger active in round 2. It's more important he speeds his heroes up, and crit chance means nothing when you can try over and over again. No point missing out on damage to increase an RNG stat, just try again until you beat it. It's winnable, he's just made a lot of poor choices which are holding him back. Also, we are making use of balanced strike. A LOT of players do not understand how balanced strike works. Even if you crit on the hit, the attack is boosted if parts of it do not crit. It's weird, and doesn't function as you'd expect by reading it.

[@ConservativeisConventional]

@HyperspaceLKz you just got lil bro'ed

[@HyperspaceLKz]

@@MKxJUMP No, that's exactly what I'm saying, you simply do not need Halora to beat that wave. Simply putting her as a meat shield will be enough to clear it with the other 3 heroes. Killing holmes instantly stops the mass influx of damage that he puts out. Tara hits like a wet noodle and while Oberon hits the hardest per hit, it simply isn't enough hits to out damage holmes overall, not to mention you get 3 omens with the subs, so you can just instakill 2 holmes and an oberon. Which is exactly the strat im going for personally (except i'll be deleting the wave lmao). As said, my mockman is quite a bit stronger only being down 1m attack but having defier/gk, but having a whole 3 extra heroes to soak damage simply makes up for it. And while yes, you can just rng out the hits from 20%, that is such a pain without a macro and running it all night. You'd make far better use of the time with the crit chance to finally get a good attempt. The damage you're going to miss out isn't substantial enough without actually testing for if it's needed. 3rdly, balanced strike heals > damage if you have hp to heal. Nuking r1 guarantees damage rather than potentially healing and wasting damage. As for the discrepancy between only needing a part of it to crit for the extra damage, fine? but again, at 1 in 5 across 6 heroes, theres a fair potential you simply don't crit on any part against one or some of the heroes. If you're also implying it heals and does the extra damage, i'd need to test it personally to verify for myself (not to contest the point), but we know what this game is like with translation/explanations, so the info would be nice. edit: do just wanna add, love the content, theres no hate or negativity, I simply like discussing the game lol and love pushing content/minmaxing progress.

[@mjm3091]

Btw. with A copy Mockman you probably could already go for both trans tenants and start thinking about DT (I assume you don't have those, as you mention having 4M attack). With both tenants and A- copy I got from B+ Stone and hitting DT1 around my third/fourth Transcendence I easily pushed through second island and blazed through majority of third one. Mockman early on really doesn't need more than just having all damage put into him and some minimal CC support that could help him with the few stages that require him to survive two/three rounds (btw. this also works for B copies of Mockman, A- buffs are great, but aren't extremely needed so early on, not after they added DT and Treasure Train). And MK is right, you do not need Crit buff in Void Campaign. It's definitely gonna make it faster and less painful. But if it is at cost of other things, it may take any chances of winning some stages. Also it's not as painful as you make it look like - just do 3-10 attacks every day and push more, when you see you reached close enough to potentially clear the stage. With how much damage you can stack with time just a change of 100k attack may be enough to push some stages.

[@mjm3091]

That being said, it's all in his house (and I wouldn't be suprised if his Guild Tech was in shambles as well). Trans tenant on spot 2 or not - he didn't have a single spot finished. He should be outspeeding every stage in chapter 2 nuking half the heroes round 1. This should be a matter of getting lucky that Mockman targets Holmeses and doesn't get Twined by Oberon or targeted by Tara.

[@kimf.wendel9113]

True, Halora does a lot for Mockman, simply by being on the team. When SSM reaches 5M attack, SQH adds 1M attack. I did not regret adding her. TBB is nice, but I actually had more success with DGN, however that was mainly because I had no chance of getting TBB her core, as I went for HHA too soon, to reduce hits on SSM. You try, and you learn. And yes, Destiny Transition might look expensive, however it is 10% Damage, and 5% damage reduction as separate multipliers, that quite a bit more than you can get for the same investment into your tennants. So there's some point to it. But Stellar draughts are a real thing, and you need your supports to hold some power aswell. The best thing about BQA is her that she heals, but it is very slow at start, and honestly, she needs her Destiny transistion to really start healing, so I get why most stick with Onkimaru until they can reach the Destiny upgrade on BQA. Till then there honestly are better ways to spend Stellars, and crystals.

[@ajdohare1283]

So if I were to have TBB core available before SQH, would you say it’s worth being the 3rd transcendence hero? I’m torn between HHA and TBB but currently my SSM is 3.3m attack. Currently HHA would take over the tenant slot over Saja

[@mjm3091]

1:20 Its not that shocking - he is lvl 278 with VIP3. If I can hit that on lvl 205-220 on F2P (and I'm now almost 3/7 for DT2), then so should any spender who played for so long (he may be a day skipper though, cause he definitely should have 5-6 Trans heroes here and have that SFX and Aylamak on T5, so there is that, "rookie" mistake). They did give us a lot of chests over last year, even if 2024 has been kinda underwhelming, so if you prioritise your main hero's Core over some Sublimation and Artifacts for the support heroes - you should be able to reach this even earlier (especially Artifacts are easily sacrificed, because early on you only have so many heroes you can put them on). Like especially in Mockman's case - damage and survivability is the thing he likes and DT gives him that, including adding a buff to Ascending form. I would easily argue that DT could be prioritised over something like maxing sublimation on tenants (who usually would still be more oriented on tenant builds, than giving actual support early on). Especially as these days we are more and more commonly being given access to DT materials (even if in small amounts - it's still something) and as sublimation is more commonly given outside of the chests. 1:40 The Core + the general DT1 buff are actually enough to consider. In those earlier stages just 100k difference in Attack may be significant to push further in campaign. And those I believe give over 1M at that stage. 3:20 Halora is an option, but then again - I would argue that tenants route isn't wrong. For one - you are directly building heroes that will stay with you, which important in the case of picking DT (main debate on why BQA may be a better choice than SFX). It's also easier for majority of playerbase to understand. But the issue is - he should have committed. If you gonna go tenants route - focus on them fully and finish them before you step up to other heroes. That Aspen could still be helpful on lower Tree, without sacrificing T5s from the tenants (and in case he would swap it to Betty - she just need that T1 either way). Or like you are proposing - go for the best support heroes and have them properly built. My only issue with that would be the speed-creep, which min-maxing speed of Mockman and Halora to have Halora be fastest at the same time having both of them faster than opponents? That's easy way to end up with a disaster. 4:00 I mean... His tenants are also trashy. I expect the builds are not tenant oriented and he hasn't finished the houses. Like being almost lvl 300 and not having a single house finished to level 105. This is just really unkept household. Dude literally built HP and Attack Aura! Like he needs a scolding and explanation on his household and not just on how Halora can be utilised as support hero. Like he should be at around 7M attack at his stage of progress. 5:45 Tbh, he may need that Mirror either way for Mockman. Hopefully he can swap some around during Anniversary. 6:00 Unbending Will btw. - also a major issue here. Even if it is fine for some game modes, VC just needs all damage Mockman can do. A secured 3 hero nuke on round 1 is must for VC for certain stages and then a 4 hero takedown is especially helpful. 6:05 I wonder why it's only 15. There is a lot of Forest food around, makes you wonder if this is fresh or not. 6:35 I think he should still be able to do it. The meat shield heroes really help in those early stages, so it's really a matter of build here. May not have enough damage with that household, but just dropping Unbending Will and going 3-1 armour build on the tennants should let him at least get the Stone upgrade. Holmes stages usually are difficult, because HY can be weirdly bulky - which really goes back to him not beefing Mockman enough. The 5 trans heroes, should minimise chances of getting doved and twined, so it's really down to damage. And Unbending Will is not helpful there, as not only it gives less actual damage - Holmes is one of those annoying heroes (other is Morax) that will go straight through the shield, thanks to all the multi-attacks. 8:55 I hope you remembered to put some armor back on Elo. 9:50 Also a 1-3 build on Ayalamak with better stone definitely could give back that 300-600k attack SFX was giving. 11:11 I would consider going for Speed stone tbh. Especially if Halora is not outspeeding, nuking at least part of the opponents can really be a game changer there. I think it's all down to his houses being so low-level? Cause he definitely should be outspeeding here. If I remember correctly base Mockman doesn't have any issue with speed until like way halfway into 3-X-X. And even then Mirror/Stone should be enough, when awakening isn't covering it. 13:00 I fully disagree here. His household is the main reason why he isn't outspeeding. Again - you should at least be near finishing all tenant spots around level 200. And he is a low-spender at 270. It's just mismanaged resources and potentially skipped events. Like he has all the armors, good chunk of artifacts and even a good amount of sublimation, but he has not a single finished tenant spot. It's not fault of DT. He would be in the same spot, if he used all that Stellar into Halora. Destiny Transition is not a whale thing. Destiny 1 isn't even that much Stellar to begin with. I see too many lvl 300+ dudes who focus too much on their support heroes that are sporting those 6 trans heroes that do nothing. Have no VC finished, perform awfully in SE and are easy farms in PvP and Hoards. Sure its better to have it with A copy. But hopefully DH listens for once and brings back B/B+ stones - which would help more people to get that A copy. Idle Heroes was always about focusing on one hero - which is especially evident with Mockman. Is 2-4 trans heroes the time to go for it? Probably not for everyone. But it's something everyone should be thinking about and working for within their plan. It just stacks with that 10% buff to offence and defence and with Mockman it also fixes his Active. And the earlier you start, the bigger buff you have with time as it helps pushing those early chapters, where you lack Transcendence heroes to support Mockman (because you either sacrifice support or you sacrifice tenants). Like at this stage Mockman should not barely scrap 5M attack and get outsped, this is where he can reach 7M and ensure round 1 nuke taking out 3-4 opponents, demolishing those early stages and stockpiling in power as other buffs get unlocked. And that's just on F2P. Proper spenders could easily sport both good tenants and significant support in heroes like Halora and Betty.

[@kahiaugaming7399]

I know that shit took you 3 business days to type💀

[@mjm3091]

​@@kahiaugaming7399 I wrote it watching MK, so 15 minutes top.

[@I_v_x_n]

LMFAOOOOO 😭@@kahiaugaming7399

[@draspen]

On the "level" part, it actually depends on the server you play. I play on the server 50 and I'm already level 300. I quit 3 years ago when I was level 270 ish, the highest power system that time was a V4 imprinted hero.

[@mjm3091]

@@draspen it actually depends on how long you have been playing or more precisely - when you started. XP is mostly time based.

[@ramazandemir8780]

i think a video explaining when to go for destiny heroes would be really helpfull. got my aspen to destiny 1 and he does wayyy worse than my t5 vulcan that i had with 1m less attack.

[@ianmckinney3446]

Wait om gives more attack than sfx?

[@FilipPrsa]

I need help. im F2P LVL128 AND I GOT A+ ASPEN. I DONT NOW IF SHOULD SELLET OR WHAT. CAN YOU PLS HELP ME

[@jasontrinh7597]

Sell it buy an a-

[@MyMusic_Story]

thank you very much for this video ;)

[@Inspiredall]

So what’s the best order of trans hero’s to build with a mock man? I know HHA is the best after him but what’s next? Betty?

[@mjm3091]

Betty is good, if you get a core (and I assume you are in the luckier position, where you are still at like 1st or 2nd trans, so most of your Core Chests from events will have her Core, where as older accounts didn't even think a hero like Betty could be a thing not long ago). If you go full damage, have finished houses and DT on Mockman or simply you can't get Betty's core yet - BQA is also good option, with Betty coming as fourth hero, with again - her core. A full tenant support on properly made household can help you push through the most important stages of chapter 1, 2 and 3 and after that you can just wait for that Core on Betty, at the same time getting all the VC resources in the meantime. Not sure about going for SFX. They did allegedly fixed her DT abilities - so there maybe is some merit I am not seeing. But I think even the small amount of healing Aranea gives to Mockman early on is more significant (and SFX likely works better as separate home owner). Some people also like Natalia, especially if you don't have opportunity to get Betty's core. Elena and Aspen can also help to some extend, even a Jahra could do something. But like - with Betty only needing barely anything, it's really just Betty. Getting full Core is not a problem these days. At least shouldn't be a problem these days (we will see, the modern Gala is really conserning and makes you wonder if they don't backtrack on other rewards as well). I personally would go SSM -> HHA -> BQA -> TBB and then think about additional support in Halora, Freya, Natalia, Elena or maybe even Holmes (his core is kinda helpful in some boss fights). Or some future other heroes, because those definitely would be coming until you hit fifth trans. Maybe Halora's tennants, if you want her to be outspeeding everyone and their mother. MK I assume would go SSM -> HHA -> TBB -> SQH -> (maybe) BQA, based on this video, maybe even push BQA to like 7th trans hero you get, going with the original SSM strategy of getting SFX after you have 6 trans heroes. Really depends on when you get Core for Betty and if you have enough speed for Halora to get most from her.

[@MagenChetti6]

Xia in E ??

[@MoDlegion]

It's ok to destiny improve lofa at like 5 trans heroes and you have all (or most) of them with the important subs though right? I mean at that point it's a decent powerboost.

[@MKxJUMP]

If you're F2P, save your core chests and prepare a switch to Vulcan. If you've already gone after the LFA cores though, you in too deep to switch

[@MoDlegion]

@@MKxJUMP ow yeah, balls deep. Ah well, lofa isn't that bad, everybody is running him though so it's annoying in SE because everybody is waiting for the 60%.

[@jmbros5779]

Love ur vids

[@sly7823]

Do a vid for lofa and dtv

[@Juji2558]

Hello

[@Pavle-w3l]

Make more acount revues