Garmin Edge 540 vs Wahoo Elemnt Bolt v2

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[@MM-kt5dv]

One thing that bugs the hell out of me is how all the bike computers still look like they were designed in 2003 with these huge bezels and hardly any screen real estate compared to their sizes.

[@mlegrand]

I agree. One of these days we'll see some company drop in here and blow the industry wide open. Maybe someone like HammerHead? 🤷‍♂️

[@craigd123]

HD screen = heavy. If you don't mind weight just use a smartphone

[@korsveien]

My dream that would never happen is if Apple made a head unit so I could use my Apple Watch for heart rate and that it also would connect to my cycling radar. I know I can use my 1200 dollar! iPhone but there’s a lot of reasons not to like risks and battery life.

[@MrVikingdane]

@@korsveienooo imagine

[@paulweaver9183]

Used both Garmin and Wahoo over the years and it was one of the smallest things that made me stick with Wahoo... chevrons when navigating. No confusion on overlapping routes!

[@mlegrand]

Yeah, knowing the direction is helpful. The little things make a difference. Thanks Paul!

[@korsveien]

The button placement on wahoo is my main reason. It’s so easy to push them with gloves compared to garmin.

[@julianofpaignton6202]

What do you mean , “chevrons when navigating” ? I want to buy a bike computer and I’m trying to learn the pros and cons of Wahoo and Garmin and the differences between them

[@ciscokid0127]

To be able to customize the screens on the Garmin from your phone is awesome. I want that! The hill feature is pretty sweet too 😊

[@mlegrand]

Yeah! I really enjoy the climb pro feature. We have lots of hills around here!

[@technovelodos]

Battery life is actually pretty important and different enough to mention. Advertised run-times: Edge 540: 26 hours vs Bolt v2: 15 hours. DC-rainmaker found the Garmin's 26 hours was conservative - he got a bit more in his testing. If you are like me and keep the same computer for 6+ years, then the longer battery life means a much longer usable life span.

[@mlegrand]

I still wish there was a way to switch out batteries after 2-3 years of usage. I hate the idea that people just start getting crap battery life when these lithium ion batteries give out.

[@RomanKostyrko]

It is not so important as many people think. In any case everyone rides with a phone and has to charge it. So if you ride 24+ you have a pitstop where you can quick charge devices or you have a powerbank. As for long term usage - battery can be replaced in service and it doesn't cost much money. So 15h runtime is enough to 99 percent riders. For example I ride marathons 300-400km once a year. For this cases I will take power bank. BTW I use 1030+, and it also keeps 24h+ But this is not so important for me.

[@emptyhead66]

Great video Matt. Really helped me choose the Wahoo over Garmin. I’ve been using a combination of my Garmin Forerunner 255 and iPhone up until recently and today I went for my first ride with the Wahoo. The screens & buttons are so intuitive that I haven’t even felt the need to read the manual yet. Loved the experience on the road, especially the Summit freeride climbing feature. Highly recommended.

[@mlegrand]

Thanks Mick! That Summit Free ride feature came out right after I posted this video. 🤦‍♂️ But the Wahoo is a great option. Glad you're enjoying it. Keep me posted on any additional thoughts or issues you see. 👌

[@tomhodges7227]

Hey mate, I have a Garmin forerunner how is the compatibility between the wahoo and Garmin connect?

[@SLDam32]

You have to manually upload the .fit file into Garmin connect - there's no longer an integration btw Wahoo & Garmin@@tomhodges7227

[@LosihoTTT]

Thanks for the great video. I have an old Edge 510 that i wanted to upgrade. I almost jumped ship to Wahoo, but instead ordered a Edge 540. What swayed me to stay with Garmin in the end was the fact that it can independently record an odometer, i don't want to keep track of that in a companion app or strava, especially transferring a bike over that's already travelled a few km.

[@mlegrand]

I've been enjoying the Wahoo devices lately but Garmin is the feature king and this odometer tool is just another little thing to keep people happy in this ecosystem. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@tomlimey793]

I see Garmin still have a really, really shiny screen. The Wahoo's matt screen is sooo much better in sunny situations ☀️

[@mlegrand]

There's so many good things about the Wahoo and now it has the Summit free ride feature. (Not mentioned in this video because it wasn't out yet) But visibility is huge. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@JitinMisra]

@@mlegrand what is summit free ride feature ?

[@mlegrand]

@@JitinMisra - It’s similar to Climb Pro but it shows climbing details even if you don’t have a route programmed in.

[@albandb9366]

Nice comparaison, tempted to go for Bolt 😀

[@mlegrand]

It's got some good stuff going for it. Thanks Alban!

[@matthewberkompas5315]

Great video Matt! I bought the Garmin Edge 540 over the Wahoo bolt purely for Garmin’s incident detection feature built into their computers. In my past experience, it has not been perfectly accurate-maybe 50% of the time, though I don’t crash often-but it was very useful every time it was accurate. Plus, even a 50% that it will accurately detect a crash is a comfort to my family so there’s that too. Apart from that feature I likely would have chosen the Bolt V2.

[@mlegrand]

I've notice the Garmin units bing a little too sensitive on the incident detection over the years. It's not actually something I've tested on the 540 yet. I'm sure it's hard to dial in and get perfect. Keep me posted on what you think of the 540. 👍

[@matthewberkompas5315]

@@mlegrand Yeah, I’ve experienced more false positives than true, though it has been right when it mattered most for me.

[@Millicente]

As someone who always wears an Apple Watch I don’t have to worry about garmin’s iffy crash detection.

[@shaunbassett5093]

I have ridden 3 separate times with Garmin users with false positives on the Fall Detection, simple getting on the bike twice, front wheel bounce over a gutter.. Get an Apple Watch and you have 24/7 protection without the errors would be my suggestion.

[@EnigmaPhi23]

I bought the Wahoo Bolt V2 for my gravel bike for its buttons and ease of use. On the other hand, I bought the Garmin 1030 Plus for my xc hardtail as I found the reviews to favor it for mountain biking. So far I enjoy the Bolt V2 during my road and sometimes rugged road biking. I have not put the Garmin through its paces yet but will do so this summer. I imagine if I was purchasing a bike computer for my mountain bike today, then it would be between the 840 and 1040. Regards.

[@mlegrand]

Yeah, I think you’re spot on. Those are my feelings also. Wahoo seems to have better ergonomics and Garmin has more features. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@jakubvrana7557]

Is it really worth buying the 840 over the Bolt V2 for mountain biking? I will mainly use it for routing off the roads.

[@lais898]

That’s a nice video you got there!

[@mlegrand]

That’s a nice Bolt yeah? Just be careful to reinforce the handlebars if you’re going to put something like this up there. #proTip

[@Nat-DAVID]

Great review Matt! I'm a Garmin user (old GPS 520+ 955 watch + garmin connect) and i do like their products but i find Wahoo has some features that i really like and as for the price they are very good

[@mlegrand]

That watch / bike computer combo is a great combo. 👌

[@vozzen]

I have almost the same setup (edge 520 plus), but what is irritating is that my rides on the edge does not count towards my training load… I think I will upgrade to the 530

[@jimlap221]

I am a strictly gravel and rail trails rider. I just ordered the Bolt based on the a friend's recommendation. I trust him and he knows my rides and riding style. Saving over $100 on a bundle was a big deal for me as well. The rail trails I ride are all in Strava or Ride GPS and that's important in terms of getting back to the start point on trails I haven't used before.

[@mlegrand]

The Bolt V2 is an excellent little device. I think you'll really enjoy it. It's a great option. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@alexforero2674]

Excelente video gracias por compartir sus experiencias

[@soihavetoplay]

Very nice review it was helpful asi am trying to decide what to buy!

[@mlegrand]

What are you thinking? I am considering making a video about the 840 vs the Roam vs the HH Karoo 2 next week. I just have to get my butt in gear to make it happen.

[@soihavetoplay]

@@mlegrand I ordered the bolt V2. Thanks!!

[@_cully]

This is a really terrific video - thank you for this comparison. The only problem is I still have no idea which one I like better 😂

[@mlegrand]

I'm enjoying the bolt a lot. 🤷‍♂️ But I also have a few upcoming cycling computer reviews in the works so I'm biking with a lot of new stuff recently. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@shawnhall1971]

Something else to consider with the Garmin you get a bunch of training metrics built right imto the device; training load, recovery, and daily suggested workouts that adapt based on current circumstances. With wahoo you have to subscribe to their system plan for $15/month. So after 5 months the Garmin is actually cheaper.

[@mlegrand]

The Wahoo System or Wahoo X doesn't feel at all like a requirement to me. Most of the people that I know who have Wahoo computers don't use it and are still very happy with their Wahoo devices. Those training metrics built into Garmin are fantastic but I don't think it makes Garmin cheaper or more affordable than Wahoo. Just my opinion. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@markguido9530]

Thanks for the review. Clear and to the point. Although I may have missed this, but any chance you will review the Bryton 420? Thanks

[@mlegrand]

I think I’m reviewing the Bryton 750 SE at some point soon but I don’t have plans to review the 420. Let me know what you think of it if you end up getting it. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@mikewy192]

Great really sensible review.

[@mlegrand]

Wow, that's very nice of you to say. Thanks Mike!

[@lifeincycling]

Nice video. Garmin's multi-band GPS matters if you're riding in the summer/spring where there's lot of tree cover, or if you're running a GoPro or Cycliq camera directly below the head unit...

[@mlegrand]

Interesting. A GoPro camera under the head unit is effecting GPS tracking?

[@lifeincycling]

@@mlegrand if it's recording, yes. It's a known issue, experienced with the original (v1) Wahoo units as well as Garmin x30 series... Fixed with 1040's multi-band :) I heard that positioning the head unit slightly offset (ie. on the stem, or to the side) also fixes it

[@mlegrand]

@@lifeincycling - I would imagine that if the GoPro is acquiring GPS signal that it could mess up other recording items. We have that issue when wearing multiple watches on the same wrist. You typically need to spread them out. I haven't noticed on a bike computer yet but maybe I'm also not taking the time to look at the data. 🤷‍♂ Thanks so much for the response!

[@markflorence11]

Almost never hear anyone mention Garmin Connect. I am stuck in their ecosystem for the ability to make my own workouts and create routes without an additional Training Peaks subscription. Having said that, I have a 540 and I really don't like the button placement. I am continuously inadvertently pushing the start/stop button while trying to scroll through the screens. Considering the 840 actually. I really like the button placement on the Wahoo and honestly if I could use Garmin Connect with a Bolt I would likely use one.

[@mlegrand]

100% agree with this. I’m hopeful that Garmin will correct some of these issues with the next versions of these devices. Wahoo buttons are 👌

[@alexforero2674]

Excelente video gracias por compartir sus conocimientos

[@mlegrand]

De nada 👍

[@moisesprat]

Just bought 540 and to me it is best choice for the Connect ecosystem and the new metrics.

[@mlegrand]

Keep me posted on how you like it when you’ve ridden a few times!!!

[@shaunbassett5093]

Watching your video, the most obvious difference is the screen glare on the Garmin verses none on the Wahoo. In some shots, I couldn't even tell if the Garmin was ON. That alone is enough to sway me.

[@mlegrand]

Some of that is just the GoPro footage but I personally think the Wahoo has the best viewing angles in direct sunlight. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@MilosMatus]

I have Edge 840 🙂. Wahoo is good too, but the GUI is like from 8bit computer era. The design is also nicer at Garmin devices. There is more advantages at Garmin's if you have also Garmin watches and you use training on both, Connect application, instant strava route integration etc. The only bad at Garmin is the price increase, but Garmin users will buy it anyway.

[@mlegrand]

Yeah, that was a pretty substantial price increase. Thanks for your feedback Miloš!

[@xmarcika]

Really great comparison. I definitely prefer a layout of the Bolt. And I have a question about maps. Do you know by any chance, which one is easier to navigate on the go? Without any preparation before the ride. Let's say you are somewhere, you want to select something on the map which is not included in the original route and cycle there, without touching your phone. Thanks🙏

[@mlegrand]

I say the Garmin. Especially if you'e trying to route somewhere new without touching your phone. I'll repeat what I say in this video, I do think this new UI is geared towards touchscreens and you have to bump up to the 840 to get a touch screen. Thanks Sund4nce!

[@17cream]

One major issue is the highly reflective screen on Garmin. It’s dreadful. I could see you filming in the video in the screen reflection. The wahoo is superb with almost an e-ink type Matt screen. Have had loads of Garmin computers which I feel have a lot of bloat ware that I don’t use. I love my Roam V2 and it would be my first choice.

[@mlegrand]

Yeah, that reflection is messing up my filming! The Roam is a fantastic device. Glad it's working well for you! 👍

[@tn9274]

am thinking about IGPSport 630, how it will be less behind these two. one thing come to mind is there is no feature such as climb detection (pre planned route or free route) which should be a fun feature to see when having long climb.

[@mlegrand]

I don’t know anything about IGPSport so I can’t help you there. But the new climbing features are cool on these devices. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@VolodymyrDzhydzhora]

Thanks for the review. Garmin is the best.

[@mlegrand]

Nice call. I've actually really been enjoying the Wahoo cycling computers lately. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@jaselikesbikes]

I have the Roam V2 and use it mainly for MTB'ing but yes it isnt great for maps in the forest, I added a speed sensor for accuracy. The trailforks integration is dissapointing for the Bolt/Roam, graphics are still limiting and it is the same as following a route on something like Komoot.

[@mlegrand]

The Trailforks integration for Wahoo is the one thing I haven't really tested. Thanks for the feedback. I'm also loving your channel. Keep up the good work! 👌

[@jaselikesbikes]

@@mlegrand thanks!

[@jakubvrana7557]

Ah, I was hoping MTB'ing is not actually that bad with the Roam V2 :( On the other hand I want to use it mainly for routing

[@bonn1771]

Great video. Love the led on the bolt but climber pro on the Garmin as I do not plan most routes

[@bonn1771]

In the live in Vermont'

[@mlegrand]

Yeah, there’s trade offs when picking between these two. Also, and I didn’t mention this, I hope Wahoo isn’t in too much trouble financially. 😬

[@12PATER12]

it's coming to wahoo too, wait a bit and will see (live climbimg)

[@bonn1771]

@@12PATER12 that is awesome

[@mlegrand]

@@12PATER12 - patiently waiting . . .

[@m.a.2282]

Magene C406 Pro is made of the same hardware as Garmin. Possibly also in the same factory. It’s recently been updated with turn by turn navigation all for way less then $200 in any country.

[@mlegrand]

The Magene looks very different to me. I've tested some of there stuff in the past and they make great devices. It just different than what Garmin is offering here.

[@BINBIN_ZHAI]

I lost my riding data today from c406, very disappoint

[@m.a.2282]

@@BINBIN_ZHAI That can happen with any cycling computer no matter the brand or price.

[@RedWingsninetyone]

I care! I still love my Bolt V1. As for GPS, in my experience between the Bolt (GPS with others in combination) and the Garmin Forerunner 245 (GPS combination with GLONASS or Galileo), Instinct 2 (GPS combination with GLONASS or Galileo), and smartphones (GPS + cell data), I'd say they're all pretty accurate on long straight lines such as you'd find in road or gravel riding. They're all terrible with MTB riding, especially on tight and twisty sections. The Bolt is more accurate in terms of distance though when you pair the device with a speed sensor. My phone was more accurate than the Bolt when relying on just GPS for mountain bike rides. It also seems like the Garmin devices will add some distance when you aren't moving anywhere depending on where you are at, almost as if the signal is kind of bouncing a bit and the device is adding that to your distance.

[@mlegrand]

Good feedback Redwing! The Instinct 2 doesn’t have multiband but I’ve had great results with it as far as GPS accuracy. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@RedWingsninetyone]

@@mlegrand you are correct. I was mistaken on what I thought multi band was and was actually referring to the ability to use the GPS combinations with Galileo or GLONASS. I will edit my original comment to clear that up.

[@paulmiddlemass6465]

I have a v1 too. I bought a V2 and it was terrible. Wouldn't hold gps connection and wasn't that accurate at measuring speed or distance either. I returned it as not fit for purpose. On top of that I prefer the inlaid buttons on the v1 to the raised ones on the v2. On uneven ground the inlaid buttons are easier to use i found

[@RedWingsninetyone]

@@paulmiddlemass6465 I was able to convince my father-in-law to go with the Bolt V2. He's had good luck with it. But, weirdly enough I like the mono-chromatic display of the V1 and the ease to see in bright sunlight. I am a little jealous the V2 has more memory though.

[@vendettaisl337]

Hi Matt, Cheers for the review - I have tried hunting around for the info but can't find a answer.. - Am I right in saying with the 540 you can't use auto - pause on workouts? - I also want to be able to pause my structured workout/ interval but leave the total timer/clock running. i.e if you get stuck at a traffic light mid interval I am forced to stop or if you get held up by traffic and have to get off the power I want to be able to pause the workout but still have total time/ distance still tracking

[@mlegrand]

I don’t think I’ve seen that option anywhere. It makes a lot of sense. It’d be a great feature request for all those who do workouts out in traffic.

[@vendettaisl337]

@@mlegrand thanks for the quick reply! 🤣 I'm glad I'm not the only one!! - you can do similar on wahoo but would be nice to cleanly do it with 1 button etc!

[@mbrackmann8]

Hey man, would you recommend the Garmin over the Wahoo if I’m already using a Fenix 6 and want all the training metrics to sync up? I run 3 days a week and just bought a gravel bike and would love all my recovery/fitness stats to sync up. I’m leaning toward the garmin for that reason alone.

[@mlegrand]

I think you can mix and match but I do think you should consider the Garmin. I think you'll find the mapping to be just a little bit better on those tricky gravel roads. Let me know what you end up with and how you like it. 👍

[@mbrackmann8]

@@mlegrand thanks! I’m actually leaning toward the Garmin Edge Explore 2. It’s a bit cheaper but the touchscreen for navigation seems awesome. I don’t really need the training metrics the 540 provides tbh. I have a Fenix for that.

[@mlegrand]

​ @mbrackmann8 - I actually haven't reviewed the Explore 2. Keep me posted on what you think!

[@mbrackmann8]

@@mlegrand Actually ended up going with the Wahoo Bolt v2 lol! Got a great deal through a buddy of mine who has some discounts with Wahoo. Was able to get it under $200! I figured that since i’ll be tracking my rides with my Fenix anyway, I won’t miss too many of the integration features of having the Garmin computer also. Plus, I love the idea of having a super simple bike computer. Time will tell, but I couldn’t pass up the great deal.

[@klok382]

Hi Matt! I wonder how many functions in the wahoo bolt 2 are connected to the paid wahoo app? because if you have to have the wahoo app to see the power, navigation... I don't think of taking the bolt 2. I guess the training plans in the wahoo and garmin app are not good enough for actual trainings. Otherwise, I intend to buy a cycling computer for serious training (road cycling) and I can't decide between edge 540 and bolt 2. What is your opinion?

[@mlegrand]

There might be some confusion here. These cycling computers display power and navigation data. The apps are just used to make changes or import and export data. Also, the Wahoo Element app is free.

[@klok382]

@@mlegrand thanks for the reply

[@jonhalda]

Which one would you pick today? Are garmin features like stamina, potential, etc actually worth it? I live in Mexico and I dont think I've seen any Wahoo devices around, will that affect MTB trails around me? There are a lot of mountains and trails I would like to explore. Does Wahoo have a route creation like garmin? Thanks

[@mlegrand]

I don’t really use the Stamina stuff. I’ve really been enjoying the the Roam v2 lately. 👌 Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@OliverWiehe]

new to biking - what should a newbie get? your thoughts? or should I just buy the Garmin 530 cause I'm new to biking?

[@mlegrand]

530 if you want to save money. The 840 non solar is the other one I’m recommending frequently. 👌

[@OliverWiehe]

@@mlegrand thx for the response - appreciate it!

[@YoeriNijs]

Hi Matt, can you tell us something about rerouting, especially if you drive the wrong way? Which device is better?

[@mlegrand]

I don't know if I'd crown a winner. They both reroute. It'd be interesting to time when you go off route and when it correctly reroutes and then compare those times between brands. Unfortunately, I haven't done that.

[@struanmills5710]

Hi Matt. Thanks for this review as after much deliberation over the various pros and cons of all the devices out there I finally took the plunge and bought a Wahoo Bolt V2. Looking forward to it arriving and more importantly getting out on the bike to use it. For me it came down to price and matching up what my needs were; tracking my rides and the occasional navigating on new routes. But I am looking forward to the features on this newer device to my Garmin 520 plus, in particular the climb feature (well done Wahoo for catching up). If my riding opportunities start matching my ambitions (family commitments keep me on 2/3 short rides per week) then I will look to upgrade to a larger device. Hopefully Karoo release their version 3 as I think this could end up being a cracker. Once again thanks and keep on producing the great content.

[@mlegrand]

Thanks so much Struan! I think you'll really enjoy the Bolt. I have a lot of friends that have chosen this one as well. It's a great value / feature option. Keep me posted on what you think after you've been out on it a few times!

[@vaancee]

This was a review on the 540 vs Bolt right? Why is there footage of you using the Garmin with a touchscreen? Does the 540 have some touchscreen capabilities?

[@mlegrand]

Sounds like an editing mistake to me. I have tested both the 840 and 540 so there is plenty of room for errors. The 540 does not have a touch screen. It’s one of the reason I’ve been suggesting the 840 recently. The operating system on these new Garmin Edge devices seems to lend themselves to touchscreens in my opinion.

[@seanvk]

Nice review. The reflective screen on the 540 plus the horrible user interface (non intuitive) are large negatives for me.

[@mlegrand]

That’s fair. I honestly think the 840 non solar is the device to beat. Hope you’re doing well Sean!

[@rossettoroxy8323]

Hello! Can wahoo navigation also be used for walking? I would also like to use it for trekking as well as mountain biking

[@mlegrand]

It’s designed for cycling but I guess there’s nothing stopping you from using it in other ways. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@fathertime209]

Speaking of GPS, how do these do out on the mountain bike trails under the trees? Would the bolt be undermanned because it doesn't have as many GPS bands to draw from? Thank you

[@mlegrand]

It has a lot to do with antenna design but the newer Garmins should be a touch better when it comes to GPS accuracy. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@solomioist]

Garmin is a navigation equipment company, also making sporting equipment. Wahoo is a sporting equipment company, also making navigation equipment. The usability with the Roam is on point, while the features on the Garmin are on point. Can’t there just be a merge between them? I have no clue which one to buy. (And I am already a Garmin customer regarding motorcycle navigation systems).

[@mlegrand]

This is an excellent description. Do you mostly road cycle? Any off road stuff? Whatever you decide I think you’ll be happy. They are both good devices.

[@solomioist]

@@mlegrand I am doing gravel riding, mostly with preplanned routes, which are altered on the fly (because sometimes roads are closed, non rideable or I just want to deviate a little bit) So the terrain type is like 50:50 road and off-road

[@grrrooovhusa]

I have Bolt v1 and it says 15 hours but it´s down to around 8 hours now so I want to replace it. Wahoo screens is much better in sunlight compared with Garmin but I really want Garmins Stamina and Climb pro feature. I do have a Fenix 7X so Stamina could be used there but I don´t know about climb pro. 1040 costs less than 840 now so very hard to decide. I want a slimmed computer with 10 active fields. Bolt v2 battery life scares me. Does it have 8 hours after 3 years too? 3 years with bolt V1 costs 150 USD in value loss when you sell it. Would it be better to buy a Garmin?

[@mlegrand]

The new Garmins do have a massive battery life but if you’re generally happy with Wahoo, I think I’d stick with it.

[@grrrooovhusa]

@@mlegrand I tried a 1040 today but it feels big and clumsy. Climbpro ends to early so it´s better to use a strava segment there I would say. Segment screen is better on wahoo too where I can see my last effort and PR much better. The beep from the varia radar is better on the wahoo too. Navigate with touch while riding was a pure hell, buttons win. The UI and scroll feels like a 10 year old android phone so Garmin have a lot to do. Wahoo have a much less shiny screen too, especially the new one after I watched this video. Wahoo wins so I will order a Bolt V2.

[@CEDCONSTANT]

what about the impact of also having a watch from a brand or the other, and also choosing the bike computer based on that for compatibility purposes? what about training features and the power of the community behind.. Which community is the strongest?

[@mlegrand]

I actually mix and match and then use Strava as my one true source of data but there is value in having all of those metrics under the same roof. With Garmin in particular, you’ll get better data dealing with training load and recovery when running and cycling are within the Garmin Connect system. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@Miguel_Pratz]

If you are using a Garmin 955 watch (or any garmin watch at that) will using the Wahoo still be a viable option or would you stick to the garmin ecosystem?! Amazing video! (As always)

[@mlegrand]

I don’t hesitate to recommend mixing and matching between devices. There are a few features where having the same brand helps. There’s a triathlon hand off feature between Garmin devices. There’s also the acute load metrics and all the health metrics that sync between Garmin devices. But personally, I mix and match and don’t have any issues with it. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@fiacobelli]

IQ store is not only for performance related stuff. I have a yelp app to help me find coffee shops when I try new routes. Also, my Garmin gives me advice on when to eat, drink, and my performance during a ride, with respect to my historical baseline.

[@mlegrand]

Nice! I haven't tried the Yelp at on Connect IQ. I should try that one. Thanks Francisco!

[@ivanporada8634]

It is no brainer for me-Garmin 540-simply because of ecosystem-watch-edge-even the scales I use.

[@mlegrand]

Nice! Glad it’s an easy call for you. It’s nice to have everything in one ecosystem. I think you’ll like the 540. Once you get the hang of the buttons, they can be really quick. Thanks Ivan! 👌

[@ONjAXX]

Hi, hoped for the best when switching from Garmin to Wahoo, but had to return the item: 1. Notifications from other apps are not working. Forget it for now, app broken since November 2022. 2. 'Take me to' navigation does not work, just wait spinner forever. Addresses are never found. 3. Have to load the Companion app before ride (unlike Garmin) and constantly watch if it was killed by Android. Otherwise device loses connection. No wonder it's getting killed by Android first - it takes a lot of RAM. 4. Companion App itself takes huge chunk of RAM (>500mb vs 24mb Garmin Connect). 5. Bolt v2 is an USB-C device with crippled USB-C implementation which cannot transfer data or charge from USB-C hosts. What a shame!!! Can only be charged from 30 years old USB-A port. Not chargeable using modern notebooks, powerbanks etc. Beware! No reviewer said about that. Are you guys using the devices you reviewing? All these issues confirmed by Wahoo support.

[@mlegrand]

I actually had to borrow the Bolt v2 from a friend. I had one but did a 'giveaway' here on the channel. I charged it via a normal usb-c to usb-a connected to a charging hub but I also remember charging it via a powerbank (it was still usb-c to usb-a) That was kind of shown at the 6:00 minute mark in the video. Thanks for watching and providing your feedback Taras!

[@tedbow]

I was wondering how common the bug with the 'Take me to' navigation was on Android. This feature was great and hope it gets fixed. When I am out riding and want to change up my route I am left making temporary routes on the Strava app and then selecting them in Elemnt app. Not convenient at all. @ONjAXX is there a similar "take me to" feature on Garmin app. I can still select the location on the map on the Bolt head unit but not nearly as convenient as copying an address from Google maps and pasting it into the Elemnt app.

[@Krisztian201177]

I have Roam V2 and basicly I am not satisfied with it: the main issue is the occured 3-4 sec delay if the speed, grade, bpm etc. is modified. Accurate data provision would be expected from a 400 EUR bike computer. It would have been good to see in this video, if the bike speed is modified, how can these computer follow the speed modification, which has less delay and to what extent? Could you please add this into your review?

[@mlegrand]

Unfortunately I can’t edit or add to the video once it’s posted. I’ve made so many mistakes that I’d love to correct. 🤦‍♂️ I have seen some lagging with the Bolt. I’m guessing that’s the same thing you’re seeing. I’ll try to reach out and seeing if anyone has any ideas on how to fix it. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@kimwarner6050]

I wish you would have discussed lag differences with a power meter. My bolt v1 has a 5 second lag. My Fenix 6 reports changes in power instantly. Thanks for the comparison

[@mlegrand]

Good call Kim. I haven't noticed anything yet on these units but I'll be on the lookout. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@neilk22]

The climb pro feature is kind of the same as a Strava segment come up on the bolt (if you’ve favourited it). Also shows climb intensity.

[@mlegrand]

Good point Neil! It's a little different but a lot of hills are segments so that kind of works.

[@MrNextSounds]

I miss the ability too change routes during a running activity. I think I’d have chosen the Wahoo instead, if I knew how often during an activity I want to change my route.

[@mlegrand]

I really love the Wahoo but I very rarely change a route once I take the time to load one. Actually, it’s pretty rare for me to load a route. This is great feedback for people to hear about these devices. Thanks so much for posting this. 👍

[@mbastos1000]

For a road bikes, The Element Bolt is the best option. Cheaper as well.

[@mlegrand]

It's such a great option. Thanks Antagonist!

[@JitinMisra]

why is wahoo better for road biking specifically ?

[@mlegrand]

@@JitinMisra - Maybe it’s more that Garmin covers more off road metrics and trails. The general Wahoo bike computer ergonomics are fantastic regardless of road type. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Millicente]

Can we get an 840 vs Roam vs Karoo 2? Since they’re all in the $400 range when not on sale

[@mlegrand]

Yes, I’d love to make that video. I have a few other videos scheduled first so it may be a bit (I only post about one video per week) but I’ll go ahead and start working on it.

[@Millicente]

@@mlegrand Sounds awesome! Thanks for your hard work

[@mlegrand]

Done: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZ3bg6yAhNyWgLs

[@ceeskes412]

I go for the Wahoo element roam v2......thanks

[@mlegrand]

I’ve really been loving that computer lately. Hope you enjoy it. 👌 Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@konar7]

You forget to check how navigation with your own GPX works on them.... this may be very important, especially for people who do this in terrain or mountains.

[@mlegrand]

Good call. Hopefully I'll be reviewing the new Hammerhead Karoo 3 here soon.

[@konar7]

Not many people carry out such tests. For me it is very important - I use this device for gravel bike trips and also for my romantic enduro exploration, where it is very important to not loose the correct path and way.

[@UnimagiStudio]

Hi Matt. I need your opinion. As a newbie wanna buy Cyclomp for the first time. what I'm looking for: something easy to understand. Have a daily training plan (would be great free. no subscription). good GPS map. good battery in the long term. I never problem with screen size. good in heavy rain. which do you think is best based on price? - wahoo roam V1 ($ 219) - Garmin edge 530 ($ 212) - Garmin edge 830 ($ 285) - Wahoo bolt V2 ($ 252) - Garmin edge 540 ($ 412) - Wahoo roam V2 ($ 412) - Garmin 1030 ($ 392) also, is it package with the sensor important?

[@mlegrand]

I would highly consider the 530. It’d be great to save money as there’s going to be a lot of other items to invest in for cycling. I don’t think you’d need the speed cadence sensors. I get my speed via the GPS and cadence from my power meter. Keep me posted on what you pick up and how you like it.

[@UnimagiStudio]

@@mlegrand Hi Matt. Thanks for the answer! today I go to the shop only to feel it in my hand. between Garmin 530 and wahoo bolt v2. I don't know. I feel that wahoo bolt v2 feeling great in my hand. right now, I'm still thinking between wahoo roam v1 and Bolt v2. what makes me worried about V1 roam is just discontinues in a few years again.

[@mlegrand]

@@UnimagiStudio - Yes, I would expect to see less solid software updates for the v1 of the Bolt. I think you’ll really enjoy the wahoo computer. Be sure to let me know what you think of it. 👌

[@UnimagiStudio]

@@mlegrand Hi Matt. Finally, I choose Wahoo. I remember I have a bad experience with Garmin products 2 times. I think it's time for me to try something new. although I'm worried it's only get guaranteed 1 year. I hope gonna live in the long term.

[@mlegrand]

@@UnimagiStudio - I have had a good long term experience with my Wahoo Bolt v1. I think you'll love the computer. BTW, I checked out your channel and it looks awesome. I hope you consider posting more video in the future.

[@fengcarlos]

You think the Free ride climb pro will come to the Garmin watches?

[@mlegrand]

That’s a great question and I don’t know. We should reach out to Garmin and ask. I hope they consider it. I’ll report back if I hear anything on my end. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@fengcarlos]

@@mlegrand Thanks

[@SLDam32]

Had my Bolt v2 for nearly 2 years, and trading it in for Garmin 840. Tried everything and the software won't upgrade, and the battery life has diminished. Also, rides on my Bolt won't show up in my Garmin app (I use a Garmin watch) unless I manually download and upload the .fit file.

[@mlegrand]

Yeah, I make Strava my one true location for everything and mix and match brands for training and races.

[@natus99]

or if you are a road cyclist - save even more and go for Roam v1 - which for 170CHF is an absolute steal.

[@mlegrand]

I did see that it was heavily discounted. Good call Marcin!

[@Wally4108]

Since I have a Garmin watch, is it best to stay in the Garmin ecosystem? Or can I get by using the Bolt?

[@saucydolla]

I’m in the same situation. Bolt is the best option but I have a Fenix 7…

[@MrMokhov]

Same club……Epix 2 owner 😅

[@mlegrand]

I don’t see any problem mixing and matching and I’d highly recommend considering the Bolt. There are a few features where staying within the same brand helps. Garmin has a hand off feature (Extended Display for triathlon) and they also have their physio true up which is basically a data synchronization feature. Meaning you could have the bike computer contribute towards your acute load. If it were me, I’d still highly consider a Wahoo device.

[@vnvtraining7203]

Yes as all your Wahoo BOLT V2 rides will not sync to Garmin Connect or vise versa. I spent all last year having to export from Strava my rides captured with the BOLTv2 to Garmin connect. I have the Garmin 955 watch that I use for running, HIT, Strength workouts that all go to Strava as well. Its juts easier as I like the Garmin Connect data capturing. So I ended up selling my BOLT v2 and just bought the Garrmin 540...

[@Janjanjan321]

@@vnvtraining7203 you just convinced me to get the 540, thanks ;)

[@habershamjim]

May you compare the 840 vs. Hammer Karoo 2

[@mlegrand]

That would be a fun one. I wonder when HH will release a Karoo 3. Seems like they’re over due for a hardware update. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@habershamjim]

@@mlegrand I'm thinking about upgrading from an Edge 530 to either an Edge 540, 840, or HH Karoo 2. The HH Karoo 3 would be a cool 😎 upgrade.

[@eastonmartinez1884]

I just came here for the comments and am going with the Wahoo based on these reviews lol

[@mlegrand]

Awesome! Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. Keep me posted on how you like it. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@bartoszedward121]

Is it possible to edit screen in Garmin Edge 830 from Connect app?

[@mlegrand]

Yes, you can now edit data fields from the Connect app. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@bartoszedward121]

@@mlegrand are you sure about 830?

[@mlegrand]

@@bartoszedward121 - oh wait, 830? I think that’s a new feature as of the 540/840.

[@MrAgglo]

Usually it takes 18-24 months for Garmin to fix the worst bugs...

[@mlegrand]

Exactly. I see that with the watches frequently. We’ll see how it goes with this 540/840. It might be more solid due to the fact that they’re pretty much a shrunk down 1040. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@likemarksee]

The bolt 2 was a disaster riddled with bugs when released. No real problems with the new Garmin’s yet reported. Software on the 540/840 will be similar to the 1040 and AFAIK not many issues.

[@treydrier3169]

You ask for anything that should be added and the 1st thing that I noticed is you didn't cover screen resolution, viewable angles and reflectiveness. I mean, cmon, this is very important for those sunny days. If the screen is difficult to see in bright conditions or it has a glossy screen, I think its just as important as other features. Otherwise, very good and to the point review. I like the Wahoo better but I have a Garmin Quatix 7 watch and the integration with data from both on a single interface on my Android phone is compelling.

[@mlegrand]

Good call Trey! Screen resolution and visibility in direct sunlight are extremely important. I did a video a while back talking about that and the Wahoos are pretty good in my opinion. I think it's the high contrast that really does it. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@paulmiddlemass6465]

Not being able to get full use out of the Garmin without a PC (no WiFi map updates) makes it no use to me whatsoever, and in this day and age is a crazy omission. Buttons on the lower edge as well, won't work with my preferred out front mount set up. It's a shame as it wins in so many other aspects, but just isn't use able for me over the wahoo design

[@mlegrand]

I'm ready for a more substantial computer body update. It really seems like an incremental update to me. I'd love to see some real changes here. Maybe slimmer bezel and moving those front buttons. Good feedback Paul! Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@paulmiddlemass6465]

@@mlegrand no problem at all. I would honestly prefer a Garmin as the wahoo (still!) doesn't have ant+ lights integration and I also have a varia radar, but not owning a PC means map updates wouldn't be possible. Great video

[@pin0teres]

I have no comparison with Garmin, but GPS on my Bolt v2 sucks. It is good enough for road cycling, when it is clear where the crossroads are, but for the slow gravel cycling in some hilly terrain, often under forest canopy, it is so inaccurate I am often unsure if I should turn right now, or does the path I am closing to leads to some private property. A side effect of GPS inaccuracy are spectacular max speeds on Strava activities. According to Bolt I somehow reached 79 khp on my gravel with 36 mm tires.

[@mlegrand]

Wow, Nice speed there! 😂 Just need to time it on a good segment. The duel band gps on these devices is a bit over-hyped. I think it probably has more to do with gps antenna design and the algorithms that they figured out to discard bad data. But who knows. 🤷‍♂️ Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@andybrown141]

One thing I have found useful is riding vocal cues with Garmin. I can ride with on apple earbud in and it announces the turns so if I am not staring at the device I know exactly where and when to turn. Wahoo has no such thing, and the preview it does list goes away after a few seconds and I have missed it if I wasn't looking. So Garmin from mapping seems to be better at cues when following a set of instructions. I also don't understand why Wahoo has no street names on their mapping, it's basically just a line. Garmin always has prompts of the street name coming up at the top whether you are following a route or not, which is very helpful when you have no idea where you are going and need reference points.

[@mlegrand]

Good point Andy! I love that also but didn't mention it in this video. Thanks for commenting! 👍

[@andybrown141]

@@mlegrand What is your view on the screen usability between the two? Just curious...

[@jenniferhart2953]

wahoo for sure

[@mlegrand]

I’m a big fan of Wahoo also but I try to make a somewhat impartial comparison when making these. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@imixmag]

I tried the Bolt 1 and it was all over the place and then tried the Bolt 2 and it was even worse. Turn by turn directions are like completely off and this was on road. Elevation and avg speed was also very off. The Garmin also allows you to input on the fly without the phone which is a big big deal. It's a shame because I do like the screen fonts, the zoom function of the screen and the top buttons on the bolt however the main purpose of these devices is to give directions and Data and the Wahoo fails miserably.

[@mlegrand]

A lot of the points in this video could have been broader points about Wahoo vs Garmin. They both have good and bad. But I do think you’ll enjoy the increased accuracy of the duel band GPS chip. It’s accurate and easy on the battery life. 👌

[@outbackwack368]

Screen glare is really bad on the Garmins...

[@mlegrand]

I think my video makes it look a bit worse than it is in reality. But yeah, I think the Wahoo devices look pretty good in direct sunlight. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@adrianlee3545]

Garmin comes with a sensor set. speed and cadence. is that also work with Wahoo? or does wahoo need that?

[@mlegrand]

These sensors are compatible with other brands. Typically I don’t need the sensors personally. The GPS gives speed details and my power meter sends cadence data. But these can be useful to have. Keep me posted on what you end up doing and how you like it. 👌

[@qubal]

I had Garmin 530 and got rid of it because of it is not navigation. Navigation (for me) means that if I go of the route (or planned route, if you wish) it will find a new good way to get back on the track and to the finish. And that is exactly what the Garmin is not capable of. Wahoo rules the navigation. It will not say Make a U Turn! I t will always find a new way, where it is possible. You can then choose by yourself if you will go the new way or will make a UTurn. Garmin is not a smart navigation. And the buttons on the sides are also pain to use. Wahoo is also much more easier to setup - it is done by companion app in your smartphone - not in the deepest levels menus by buttons on the device. Also, when you want to get somewhere, you just use Get me to... in app. Then you hit the start button on device and you go. My life is so smooth from the point when I manage to sell Garmin 530 and bougt the Wahoo Bolt2. I highly recommend it.

[@mlegrand]

I am a huge fan of the Bolt v2 and I've heard from a lot of people that agree with you about the Garmin navigation. It'd be nice if it was configurable to avoid U turns like that. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@AndrewTSq]

I upgraded to a 1030 plus from Edge 800, and I must say the user interface was much worse on the 1030. Everything is easy to find at the 800, while on the 1030 is like.. where the heck do I find this setting?. So I guess Garmin goes in the wrong direction when it comes to user ínterface design.

[@mlegrand]

Garmin needs to consider an overhaul of their menu system. It’s so nested and confusing. I’m guessing you’ll get used to it eventually and the touchscreen does help but why Garmin why. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@AndrewTSq]

@@mlegrand yeah, I hope I get used to it :) I also have a Garmin 735xt watch, and its very intuitive to use even for cycling, while only have buttons, so yes 1030+ was a step back.

[@mlegrand]

@@AndrewTSq - I will say that the menu and layout of the 1030+ and 1040 is very similar. So . . . . Garmin doesn't seem interested in fixing that.

[@k.o.7405]

Damn I’m such a wahoo fan but the startup time annoys me

[@mlegrand]

It's the price we pay. I've been using the Roam a fair amount lately but I'm about to review the Hammerhead Karoo 3. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@girz1929]

Cycling always wahoo running always Garmin

[@mlegrand]

I don't disagree with this. The Wahoo watch was a bit of a bust in my opinion but I love using their cycling computers. I also recommend that people don't hesitate to mix and match. Seems like people alway feel the need to stick to one brand but I get it.

[@wishiknew1974]

After my second Garmin Edge 520 died unexpectedly I decided to try something different - the Wahoo ELEMNT Bolt instead of the Garmin 530. Boy! I'm glad I did. kzbin.infoUgkxXZCtB-wGdHVTBSz8RswePK5vllHNi06N The display on the Wahoo Bolt is much easier to read. I like the configuration of the display more (up to 7 items visible on page 1 without scrolling and the first item chosen is larger characters than the next 3 rows that have pairs of items (still very readable). I also like the configurable item selections. The Bolt synced with my Garmin ANT+ Speed sensors on both bikes easily so no additional investment was required there. While the rated battery life is a couple hours less than the Garmin 520/530, I easily get a weeks worth of 1+ hour rides before recharging (and it's never really low on charge). At the end of a ride syncing to the Wahoo app, Strava, and Apple Health app is painless.

[@mlegrand]

Good call. Which do you think is the simplest? Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@himalvin1670]

Can u receive the phone notification such as WhatsApp calling ig?

[@mlegrand]

Phone notifications come across to the device but you can’t take calls for example.

[@uiroxcv]

Just start the wahoo before you gear up 🤓

[@mlegrand]

That’s a good option as long as I remember. And I always have things I need to do to the bike before starting. Pump tires, check tires for issues, etc. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@user-mb3yc4pr6l]

540 is't good choice, it is expensive.

[@mlegrand]

Super pricey. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@habershamjim]

Why

[@mlegrand]

@@habershamjim He said it’s expensive

[@Chris7illey]

Hahaha, no comparison. The Wahoo might as well be an abacus

[@mlegrand]

I don't know. I have a few friends who still prefer the Bolt to the Garmins. But feature-wise, the Garmin's have a lot more going on. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍

[@neilk22]

@@mlegrand I’m in the wahoo camp, Garmin reminds me of an Android mobile phone: a whole bunch of edge case features that no one uses, and they fail to do core things well, wahoo would be my apple iPhone, just really good at the basics.

[@billigerfusel]

The most important thing for me is readability. This is where garmin f**ks up.

[@tinshield]

@@billigerfusel yup, Wahoo display is significantly more readable.

[@stefanoflego8508]

Wahoo wins....

[@rar9119]

Garmin is like the iphone of cycling computers while Wahoo is samsung

[@mlegrand]

🤔 - Maybe. Or maybe the other way around. 🤷🏻‍♂️ - I've been digging my Wahoo computer lately.

[@likemarksee]

There is no competition between the two. The GPS chipset in the Wahoo (and the 530/830) is pants; whereas the GPS chipset in the 540/840/1040 reportedly kicks ass in terms accuracy. It’s more evident/important in running watches, but none the less the previous generation of chipset was IMO pretty poor. I’ll take the 840!

[@mlegrand]

I think you'll really love the 840. GPS accuracy could be more important in mountain biking I suppose. 🤷‍♂️

[@mlegrand]

I guess that depends on which wahoo you’re referring to. The Roam has the same GPS chipset as the 540/840/1040. My theory is that Garmin is also doing some magic in the antenna design and their algorithm for dismissing bad data. 🪄 But I agree Garmin seems to be doing something right when it comes to GPS accuracy. 👌