mobo PCB Breakdown: Gigabyte X670E Aorus Xtreme

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[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

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[@jakehead20]

More mobo content yay

[@diederik2123]

buildzoid's mobo breakdowns really give me my daily dopamine.

[@houndsol]

more like ketamine

[@fracturedlife1393]

​@@houndsol depends when he drops them

[@generalgrevous1984]

I get a card on every time.

[@maybelive765]

Lil bud when u get old enough make sure you hit the gym 3 times a week and build muscle because that shit will change your view on energy in the day. Renaissance periodization check him out 👍

[@smilingbandit6900]

thx now i have the song stuck in my head^^

[@MMGuy]

1) Populate all 4 m.2 slots with gen5 drives 2) Plug in a 4090 3) Start furmark and a disk stress test 4) ??? 5) Mobo now on fire

[@guycxz]

File copying experts don't want you to know this one simple trick.

[@tomhsia4354]

I'd love to see someone passively cool a 4090, a 5950x, and a full motherboard of PCIe Gen 5 drives and not have anything thermal throttle. What monstrodity would it take?

[@fracturedlife1393]

And it starts! Always like these breakdowns. Hope there's some decently priced B650 with gen5 x16 and an x4 nvme. I imagine £250 with no post code. Edit....not that you'll see but any thoughts on Radeon Monster Profile

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

As someone that unironically follows such reviews as helping steer which way to buy for a board or gpu, I definitely appreciate the effort and production you give these videos. Thank you, for that. Wouldn't surprise me if someone at AMD would try to bin a suitable cpu to send you.

[@sojirou]

The lane splitting between the m.2 slots and PCIe was the first thing I noticed as well. It's a really weird design choice to prioritize storage over the GPU rather than going PCIe Gen 4 for the other 3 slots through the chipset like how MSI does it.

[@guycxz]

Well you need to dedicate 4 slots for the GPU now, so you might as use that real estate. It's not as though GPUs come near utilizing and entire 16Xgen4 link, so you could just take the extra bandwidth elsewhere. That does rely on people using newer than 6000/30 series GPUs if they use 3-4 m.2 SSDs, and I reckon these folk have the money and willingness to buy a 4090/7900XT. It's odd, but will probably work just fine for most people. The expense of it is a bit odd. But then, this board looks to be aimed at 4090 buyers with 4 m.2 SSDs so selling it at a premium won't be an issue.

[@buggylama]

We will see what happens with the next generation of GPUs. Maybe they will not need more than PCIE 4 x 8 connectivity, but I am with you. It is interesting that only the flagship (and halo) X670E motherboards offer one PCIE 5 x4 from the CPU and 3 PCIE 4 x 4 divided among the two chipsets. The cheaper X67E motherboards, give you two PCIE 5 x 4 M.2 drives, and two PCIE 4 x4 M.2 drives, but if you use the second PCIE 5 M.2 drive, it cuts the GPU's lanes (whether they be PCIE 3, 4 or 5) from x16 to x8. This means that you can only use three of your four M.2 drives without cutting your GPU's PCIE lanes in half to x8. The motherboard I currently have my eye on is the ASRock X670E Taichi because it doesn't cut into the GPUs lanes. It has one PCIE 5x4 M.2 and 3 PCIE 4x4 M.2 drives. The PCIE 4x4 M.2 drives are split between the two chipsets. Also, they have a really good block diagram of this in their manual and it is relatively affordable compared to say the MSI Ace which is $200 more. It also has a cool looking PCIE 5 M.2 cooler with a little fan on it.

[@edplat2367]

Yay, gigabyte still giving buildzoid mobos.

[@LordomusPL]

You see, seeing an integrated wifi means there is also bluetooth there. And having bluetooth is nice - Xbox controllers, headsets etc, its nice to have. Also with the wifi is - When your main internet is dead its nice you can just connect to a hotspot from a phone and finish the work you had/have urgently. And manufacturers recognized that. I have z390 aorus ultra and it has wifi, and i had to use it few times - And bluetooth is a nice thing to have without relying on addin cards or usb dongles that suck ass.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I always use USB tethering when using the phone for internet

[@LordomusPL]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking That would be a viable thing, if windows had USB Modem drivers out of the box for many phones. Still no luck with Samsung on that for example. And thats not a thing you think about UNTIL you actually need to use it.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@LordomusPL USB tethering requires drivers? I never noticed.

[@fajaradi1223]

@@aee9412 Samsung really did that? I've been tethering from Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo, and Realme without any problems. No installation whatsoever, there's pop up options on the phone that said : - Charge only - File transfer - USB tethering

[@funtaril]

In next breakdowns I’d like to hear your explanation of how this whole thing with dual chipsets works. Thanks for the video!

[@FukuroChannel]

I love Buildzoid's sense of humor. These are not only very informative, but highly entertaining

[@WayStedYou]

I'm still leaning more and more to buildzoids idea of using the pcie add in board with m.2 slots instead of putting a bunch of m.2 slots on the board itself.

[@zacharytaylor8523]

It also makes more sense to just have PCIe slots for more flexibility in what SSDs you can use. I like enterprise SSDs since I just like good SSDs but they don't come in M.2 format much anymore and it's very hard to adapt an M.2 to the U.2 or SFF-8639 connector without some really jank adapters.

[@ThePinkus]

"It's a freaking desktop MB! Use the 10G!" YES! It has been since the king's new dress tale that I love whenever humanity is brought back to sanity!

[@EM8844]

i found your channel through a finnish tech news site 2 days ago and I cant stop watching your videos

[@TheSlickmicks]

I can't wait to copy files like crazy on this!!! Let's goooooo!

[@SpuriousECG]

The Gigabyte X670 Extreme Aorus Xtreme... when, for some reason, one extreme wasn't enough.

[@johnwayneasgenghiskhan4699]

BZ: Thanks Gigabyte for this "stupid" motherboard. Also BZ: Why hasn't AMD sent me anything yet? 😂

[@Ceremco]

4 NVMe slots are dumb, but what if you needed to fit a RTX 4090 in the slot, so every other pcie slot is blocked by the cooler? :P

[@ChrispyNut]

'Thanks Gigabyte for sending me this board, I shall now repeatedly tell >90% of people not to buy this board". 🙂 One thing not mentioned here (not usually covered), which I'm seeing conflicting information on, is whether the cooler/socket backplate is removable, providing compatibility with most AM4 coolers. DeBauer (unless I misunderstood) found that the ILM screws into it, but didn't previously and therefore coolers which require their own back-plate aren't compatible because the ILM won't screw into them. However, Wendell said his AsRock was fine (though may have been a misunderstanding between us in comments).

[@agenericaccount3935]

And so it begins, the dawn of the fourth age of Zen.

[@Sakrin117]

If you are a file copying enthusiast... legendary

[@marcogenovesi8570]

In case you missed it, der8auer tested that with a delit the new AMD5 CPU temp drops by 20 degrees celsius so you probably want to do that when you get the new CPU

[@alkaadeluxxalkaa3724]

@8:52 its not because long GPUs, its because the M.2 slots are to close, when you installed a M.2 with heatsink you cannot pull out your GPU anymore. many Z690 boards have the same problem without this solution

[@emini6]

Use chopsticks

[@user-bonk]

Hopefully there's another one for aorus master. Thanks for explaining things.

[@halrichard1969]

Now this was killer. No one in my world of PC Hardware Video Subs have done this. Only You! Well done by the best. Im actually considering Gigabyte. It seems they have the highest VRM rating over all VRMs and Cap AMPs.

[@halrichard1969]

Now you tell me the VRMs are waaay overdone for the Ryzen 7XXX. 😄

[@chrisohanlon69]

"A file copying enthusiast" lol

[@dangingerich2559]

LOL! "File copy enthusiast" is probably the most awesome thing I've heard today.

[@PolskiJaszczomb]

Right on time, I've just wanted to kms over trying to tune my 3D printer.

[@Nunkuruji]

This is a board configuration I appreciate, as a storage array enthusiast, granted my next upgrade won't be until at least the ~2024 cycle. The answer I would need though, is whether upcoming GPUs are actually saturating the gen.5 x16 worth of bandwidth. Would have to run something like intel pcm-iio to figure that out. If the x16 bandwidth on the lanes is going to waste on the GPU, and they don't need more than x8, then I'd rather have the lanes assigned to discrete M.2 devices, and yeah, slotting a bifurcation card is kind of meh for gpu cooling. The 5V regulator may be an approach they're practicing in anticipating a migration to ATX12VO?

[@Millzlane]

Lil mistake.. It's actually the first two m.2's (A&D) that are straight to the CPU x4. The two bottom ones are B and C

[@antonterekhov9389]

Yeap, according to the manual, the first two m.2's (A&D) that are straight to the CPU x4. Looks like Buildzoid made a mistake. It's always better to double-check with the manual:)

[@osestosis]

I missed these. RE: Desktop gaming and WiFi; I agree, you should be using the 10gbe port, but having onboard bluetooth is worth the small premium they command imo, considering most usb bluetooth adapters kinda suck.

[@puciohenzap891]

This, I only buy boards with WiFi because they have BT

[@eliotrulez]

Nicely done👍 The ASRock Taichi X670E uses one phase with a SiC431A 24A DrMOS for VDDmisc 🤣

[@TheMilkywayboy]

Those overkill vrms might make sense in the future with zen5 or 6. Who knows.

[@christopherjackson2157]

Man you should do a video about picking components for the best mobo. Bz vs digikey

[@christopherjackson2157]

I imagine if you need that many nvme slots under the gpu.... You'll end up using that gpu release a bunch lol. Maybe the layout will make sense if a bunch of gen5 gpus only need x8 bandwidth? Hopefully the post codes are more informative now. Esp re memory issues. Is the cheaper gigabyte board actually 8 layers? Or 6?

[@ahs9674]

gpus dont even really need pcie 4.0 16x, so 8x pcie 5 will be more than enough.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@ahs9674 if you put a PCI4.0 GPU into a gen5 slot you end up at gen4.

[@lilblackduc7312]

Thank you, Buildzoid! 🇺🇸 😎👍☕

[@Powerman293]

Babe wake up, Buikdzoid just dropped a new motherboard breakdown

[@josephkelly4893]

Looking forward to your insight into the new platform when you get a chip for your empty socket. We need some reality Cheers for the run down.

[@christiaanguijt522]

Nice breakdown! Could you do the msi ace next? I want to buy the master or the ace, but the ace is 400 euro more expensive than the master here in the Netherlands.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

don't have an ACE or pictures of it.

[@virinom]

29:45 Isn't the integrated graphics is part of SOC now? Maybe that's why they used this setup. AFAIK all 7000 series CPUs are technically APU.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

5700G's iGPU pulls more power and is fine with much weaker SOC VRMs.

[@BillyONeal]

Damn that VRM makes my Threadripper 3970X workstation blush

[@maybelive765]

In a world where 1,000$+ boards have only 6 SATA connectors 😭😭😭😭

[@fajaradi1223]

Yeah ... This MoFo's manufacturers be like : Y'all plebs still wanking SATA ports?

[@endless2239]

this dude is so opinionated, I love it.

[@uther10]

Waiting for this

[@nighthog7003]

WiFI is great for bluetooth headphones, those antennas allow for extreme range. You can walk around a whole house/property in most cases.

[@reptilespantoso]

I'm using computers for AV production. M.2 slots are handy. It's not about file copying, it's about 1 drive for the system, 1 drive for the sample lib, 1 drive for scratch recording. I agree with you that PCIe slots are superior. But a good board should have 2 or 3 M.2 slots.

[@jaylaw6369]

@Buildzoid I am looking at he Asus x670 boards and was wondering which vrm is better for me. If I want a 7700 to auto clock over 5.5 on a 360 radiator. starting with the TUF board etc. 14+2 70a, 16+2 70a or 16+2 90a. will I care about the amperage in any scenario with trying to get the highest auto clock more often

[@MrTRNX]

Thank you for bringing up the Pcie Gen 5 slots limitation. I was wondering though, If i were to only have 2 Gen5 M.2 nvmes [one on the top & bottom slot] and have Gen4 M.2 Nvmes slotted in the other two spaces. Would this configuration of storage limit my Gpu to gen5 X8, or Would I still have a x16 rated slot?

[@danwo]

I just got this GIGABYTE X670E AORUS XTREME. Great overcloker. Gigabyte lets you overclock PBO and do a manual overclock. Supper happy with stable overclocks with 64GB EXPO memory.

[@wewillrockyou1986]

If you run your GPU at gen4 x8 can the SSDs still run at gen5, or does the whole x8+x4+x4 get dropped to gen4?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

the SSDs get gen5 always AFAIK

[@DR19X]

as I understand, a lane is a lane I do not think it matters from cpu perspective if it is gen 4 or 5. it is just how many lanes are available and how did the motherboard manufacture assign those available lanes.

[@wewillrockyou1986]

@@DR19X many PCIe PHYs group their lanes and can only run the same speed within that group.

[@garievolutionsoccer3218]

x4 ssd : Raid0 as one: 16000MBs: we all need 16x pcie run at 8x speed: with 3 slot: or 2 slot full speed:

[@samiraperi467]

....what? FWIW, 4 PCIe gen4 NVMe drives in raid0 can hit 30GB/s in optimal conditions, gen5 might be able to get twice that bottlenecks allowing. 60GB/s starts approaching memory bandwidth.

[@fr0zenf1re]

❤ your Breakdown's 🙂 I would like to see some 14+2 70a or 16+2 70a Boards that are more attainable nowadays.

For people who like to file copy ROLF, just saw the 7950x in ecomode 65 watts, spanking 12900k in some test, that is utter amazing.

[@aphleesegurtra2820]

Great work here friend.

[@smilingbandit6900]

the mad lads did it. they made a 670e mATX Gene but only for 715€ . Now i am beetwen a ROCK and a hard place :/

[@jonahhekmatyar]

I'd rather have pcie slots than m.2 slots. I can always spend a little bit on a pcie to m.2 card but you can never really use an m.2 slot for anything other than an m.2 drive.

[@kernelpickle]

That GPU bandwidth isn’t really necessary, because even x8 slots had more than enough for PCIe 4.0, so a PCIe 5.0 slot has even more bandwidth to spare. Those M.2 slots are going to be super convenient, because most folks are going with SSD storage only, and M.2 drives are the best when it comes to speed with NVMe and the lack of ugly SATA cables that restrict airflow, which is going to be more critical with the CPUs that run in these boards.

[@everope]

Except the 4090 only goes to PCIe 4.0...

[@kernelpickle]

@@everope yeah, so then an x8 slot would be fine.

[@WayStedYou]

31:30 they are probably just hedging their bets for all the future options for AMD to release over the next 3-4 years.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

tell that to all the 4 phase SOC X370 boards that never saw the SOC VRM get fully used.

[@joecrak249]

Lmfaooo

[@donnydarko7624]

Phoenix is coming out next year which is an extremely powerful apu

[@agenericaccount3935]

Thanks!

[@generalgrevous1984]

Do me! Do me! I identify as a MOBO.

[@davechen4979]

8:14 there are now gpus with fans on the back apparently :/

[@T.R.A.N.C.E]

You often mention that power stages are not meant to be used at their actual rating, however if you check the datasheet for the 50a Vishay SIC653A used in Gigabytes entire RTX4090 lineup, it is rated for continuous use at it's marketed 50a, and is even rated for 100a peak in the data sheet. Also Renesas doesn't list the 105a power stages anymore, just the 90a, they were likely the exact same product but they didn't want to get caught out lol.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

the SiC639: www.vishay.com/docs/76585/sic639.pdf has 8W heat loss when outputting 50A at 1V and 500KHz. Which is an entirely impractical amount of heat to cool in a large multi phase VRM unless you're watercooling it.

[@T.R.A.N.C.E]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Oh I see, so the gigabyte 4090 gaming oc I have with 20x 50a 'dumb' phases should be alright then, at 400a load, that's 20a per mosfet with 2w heat loss. XD. The Asus Tuf and MSI Trio both have 18x 70a sps, they are right around 2w heat loss also, but a few percent more efficient

[@JohnMuz1]

:-)! gl with getting a cpu, looking forwards to x3d cpu versions.... mobo's with wifi comment is great. i was anoyed when they took the extra ethernet away from the master

[@NovemberOrWhatever]

The only argument I can think of for both 10g lan and WiFi is if it's a portable system that might use 10g at home and WiFi on the go, but it's EATX, which makes that a lot less practical.

[@Derkiboi]

I have 2 m.2, a wd gold 10 tb, ,another hdd and a ssd. Should i go x670 or wait?

[@slowtrigger]

Hell yeah

[@kamikaze00007]

I'd like to know if the cheaper AX board can handle a 7950X and still boost as high as it can under spec. Also, the memory topology, especially if you populate all 4 slots. I think most folks want that fully populated looks with regards to RAM, but in my case, I want to do a 128GB RAM build and am just worried of the performance hit.

[@kwinzman]

3:40 are they called PCIe switches? Because they way you describe them makes them sound more like MUXes.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

good question but I don't have a good answer since the chips on the board are PS7101s www.phison.com/en/company/newsroom/press-releases/general/2793-phison-announces-successful-deployment-of-the-world-s-first-pci-sig-certified-pcie-5-0-redriver-ic-ps7101 IDK where I heard these called a switch if ever. Going forward I'll call them redrivers or muxes I guess.

[@Wasmachineman]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Redrivers would be the correct term bz

[@vertigo_one]

So basically any of these x670E boards will have wild overkill VRM again that has gigantic heatsinks anyway. The Asus boards are 18+2 at 105/110A depending on the model but they claim fancy terms like "10k black capacitors" instead of :"microfine alloy chokes".

[@mithrandir491]

Are you going to test the new Ryzen Master Profile for RDNA2 by Yuri?

[@raphaelyervantian9330]

tl:dr: unless you're doing high-end OC stuff is using a B-series mobo a bottleneck/poor quality/failure risk on curent/next gen hardware? I note that you recommend B series as much as the X series for general gaming use? I struggle to work out what is a 'good' mobo - I notice a lot of differing opinions on it. Especially the idea that B-series boards should not be paired with current gen/next gen hardware as it is limiting? As an example, I tried to put a 5800x3d build together at my local computer superstore (Australia) together with a B series board - I am on an '17 Z370P i8700k build - and was told this: 'Mainboard: You’re running high end hardware - a budget board typically isn’t a great fit. These parts will all technically get along, but the extra stability that the higher end boards provide is beneficial - even if it only means the machine lasts longer.' I think it's upsales exaggerating but I don't want to hamstring myself - esp. with the 13thGen/AM5 etc. boards being a significant price increase.

[@SirLugash]

31:05 Could the reason for having two phases for SOC simply be redundancy? In case that one phase is gone, the other can still handle the power output and doesn't brick the motherboard? Or do all phases need to be present for power delivery to work correctly?

[@andytroo]

5v for ddr5 is locally regulated - probably a more reliable 5v for ram stability ...

[@rrekki9320]

Gotta be honest, only boards interesting me are X670E Biostar Valkyrie, X670E Carbon, X670E ProArt and the X670E Taichi. ANYTHING else just looks so damn hideous, especially the Crosshairs. Goddamn they got straight up murdered lmao.

[@lavavex]

Yay! Any shot at the master version?

[@bene5431]

At least you get 2 NVMe slots instead of just one for those 8 GPU lanes

[@Wasmachineman]

NOT FIRST :^) Damn, jakehead20 actually beat me to it!

[@swizzler8053]

And ziggy 😉

[@jakehead20]

I was watching Mogul Mail and saw the video pop up :P

[@WillFuI]

Let’s go

[@alexbedini731]

Great Video ! I have a dead Taichi X470 I suspect VRM drivers, can I send it to you to check if you can fix it ?

[@tristankordek]

👍

[@jronmaster8400]

The USB 3.2 internal headers are at the bottom right corner. I see some issues with some cases connecting that bulky cable there...

[@karimusenpai2161]

Please X670e Master Next

[@fcfdroid]

I want gen 5 PCIE in an M.2 expansion card. I don't want my x16 pin GPU slot being leeched by them though. Any suggestions on a motherboard?

[@WillFuI]

I’m excited for b650 itx stuff.

[@chadramey1140]

AMD also made the IHS thicker than AM4 for cooler comparability.

[@ppokorny99]

It says on the IO plate that the USB-C are 10gbs and 20gbs capable

[@marcogenovesi8570]

And as usual the motherboard manufacturers prioritize m.2 instead than making pcie slots and just giving a darn pcie adapter

[@davidjones5059]

why is every MB maker crazy about M.2 slots. how many M.2 disks do you need???? But that limits PCIe slots where you can plug other cool devices. even M.2 can go to PCIe clot with a raiser but WHY so many M.2 slots??? waste of everything

[@JohnDuthie]

Whats up Zoid? I have a "burnt-out" X470 Crosshair 7. I think I broke it by drawing too much current from the front panel USB port. It's just sitting in my closet doing nothing and you could probably fix it and resell it or whatever.

[@Wasmachineman]

Does it give any error codes or is it completely dead?

[@JohnDuthie]

@@Wasmachineman I think it just runs through every single code

[@Wasmachineman]

@@JohnDuthie Have you tried flashing the BIOS?

[@choppergirl]

How did you get the big heat sink off from over the CMOS battery... GRR

[@dvr1337]

Can u pls do a breakdown of those kinda not known china mbs? They arent that bad atleast some of those x99 boards

[@m_sedziwoj]

30:50 SOC don't include iGPU now? It only 2 CU but still is GPU.

[@Deviantsoundz]

you are going to get a laugh out of the z790 godlike

[@NavinF]

14:43 Can't find a data sheet for RAA220105 on the renesas site nor any search results besides gigabyte's site. Am I missing something or is it really that new?

[@emini6]

Sometimes they don't show data of certain parts because it's a classified trade secret.

[@Gatsbyy]

Buildzoid or any buildzoid watchers I am in big need of help: Brand new Pc 32gb ram X570 rog strix-f mobo I turn the pc on, all the lights of the ram cpu cooler motherboard keyboard and mouse all come on, it boots to the screen that says “press f2 or del to enter bios” and it will not let me enter the bios I tried 6 diff keyboards, mixture of gaming, office and old keyboards and yeah it will not enter bios no matter how much I press f2/del. It doesn’t do anything. Any idea at all what this could be? I can’t find anything for this specific issue on google or KZbin.

[@sebastianz1597]

Do you have pictures of the MSI MPG X670E Carbon or even the bord itself

[@voluntarism335]

Can you review the ASUS ProArt X670E Creator motherboard?

[@MinhNguyen-by8ey]

Are they direct phases or twin? I saw a chart that say the xtreme has direct and master has twin phases.

[@zap7759]

Will you tell Gigabyte to price the B650E Tachyon around $300? Thanks.