mobo PCB breakdown: Gigabyte Z590 Aorus Tachyon // Buildzoid's new favorite motherboard

[@MrKentaroMotoPI]

"I'm an eight-USB-port-type person" That explains a lot.

[@krazybonnie5523]

TLDR; 1st half is BZ gushing over the buttons and switches 2nd half is BZ complaining about the 100A vishay powerstages

[@MarcsSpark]

i love that you're the only one able to stretch a single pcb breakdown to a 1hour video lol. keep up the great work.

[@mzflighter6905]

Have you seen BigClive?

[@larsjrgensen5975]

Thank you Gigabyte for daring to send this board to probably the most undiplomatic reviewer in the world. Right now i would pick a Gigabyte board, they have moved a lot the last 5 years.

[@TechyBen]

OC button on the outside is for those wanting to show off RGB in display systems... They say it's for consumers, but probably for OEMs (and dry ice/etc cooling) to put on display in store.

[@nereushixon]

Buildzoid : This is the best motherboard of all time ! Also Buildzoid : Begins with bashing the motherboard

[@cldpt]

ignition is on the back so you can toggle your pretty LEDs and WC loop ON/OFF without having the PC powered on. So it's basically a vanity switch

[@10ghznetburst]

Some day some vendor is going to make a doubled 12 phase of 120 amp power stages and put it on a platform where the CPU can barely pull over 120 amps to start with (x

[@kelvinyonger8885]

*cough* Gigagbye Z77X-UP7 kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2rZlZ9ul7x5bsk Edit: corrected name of board.

[@neloangelo8323]

There was Z68X-UD7 with 24-phase divided into 12+12 phase.

[@misscuteykitty]

let's not kid ourselves. ALL the mobo manufacturers like having unique nomenclatures for everything, including some of the BIOS settings that should absolutely NOT be unique in name. 😡 oh, and let's not give them any useful descriptions, either.

[@diviumfuror]

What happen to Asrock Formula ;D ?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

it's not released and so I don't have one.

[@LinkStorm13]

the name PWM controller (69269) made me say double nice

[@CaptainKenway]

Amazon UK will let you order one for £460, though it is "temporarily" out of stock.

[@FivevNine]

Most of your gripes about the VRM and Q flash button are fixed on the Pro AX, but it doesn't have all the cool benching buttons. Great for a daily though! Running 11900K at 5.4GHz on one now. It also doesn't switch the 16x to 8x if you use the PCIe slots.

[@BRUXXUS]

I should design and 3D print a little safety cover that clips over that Clear CMOS button to prevent accidental presses. It’d be really cheap to ship to you, too. I could print a couple dozen for pennies.

[@salmiakki5638]

Sell them for a quid to the whole xoc community and you can afford a tachyon

[@MarshallSambell]

I sold a PC with an Asrock Z77 OC formula motherboard and a 3770k to a dude who said he was planning on using it for office work - I get a text from him 2 hours after he bought it saying “I accidentally pressed the CLR CMOS button” - Board had switched back to IDE sata mode and legacy boot which were the defaults, Windows was installed in AHCI and UEFI. That was a fun 45 mins on the phone helping him navigate the bios

[@BRUXXUS]

@@MarshallSambell That’s hilarious! And kind of a bummer. While shorting jumpers was a pain, at least it was MUCH harder to do that on accident. Haha

[@tanishqbhaiji103]

Or one could just hot glue it

[@pboerner22]

LN2 without the heatsink is fine. For example: 11900@ 6.5GHz Cinebench R20 with about 1.76Vcore under load draws about 800w => about 450a through vrm. No overheating.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

How are you monitoring that?

[@pboerner22]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking CPU-Z reads Die Sense Vcore and Current clamp on 12v EPS

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@pboerner22 DAMN the 11900K is thirsty.

[@pboerner22]

Yep peak what I measured was about 880. They draw nearly as much as 10900k because you can use much more voltage in them than on 10900k.

[@fandomkiller]

wired my reset switch to clr cmos a while back after u mentioned it BZ. it changed my life. so much safer then a screw driver lol

[@unityoc]

Not sure about that stock statement, it's in stock at my local retailer: www.mwave.com.au/product/gigabyte-z590-aorus-tachyon-lga-1200-atx-motherboard-ac42608

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I think most of them ended up in the asia region which includes australia. I never saw one in EU or US and when I asked about it I was told not to expect anything.

[@bryantallen703]

I tried getting the Tach but couldn't. I did find the z590 Aorus Ultra for $300. After realizing it was basically using the same VRM as a z390 or z490 Xtreme . Thanks to the info i got from this channel. I thought that was a good deal. I seen a 11900K for $615 but, went ahead and got the 10900K for $400. Couldn't help myself and picked up a z390 Aorus Master for $150 and a $250 9900K to go with it. I wasn't done yet. I also got another $250 8 core but this time, it was the 10700K for $250 and z490-E for $230. I wanted to try out the new ASUS BIOS. I've heard good things. I have just enough GPU's and PSU's to build some systems for a couple friends. I figured with 6900XT's like the TOXIC going for $2-3K and Red Devil LQ Ultra going for $2500, i figured i get the deals and build a couple systems to help out some friends. I'm tired of hearing people getting ripped off. Luckily, i have 3 2080ti FTW3's put back, and some 6800XT SE Nitro's. I already sold all my VEGA64's and RADEON VII's. Except my binned ones. For the prices these miners are willing to pay, i'm willing to sell. If you got a few RADEON VII's for $325 and was able to sell'em for $1600-$2K you would do it to. I do love my VEGA's. Even Nitro RX480/580 8GB's are selling for $400-$500 a piece. GPU's will come back in stock but, that doesn't mean you shouldn't get the deals on everything else right now. Gotta have fun why not build a few nice systems for the price of one GPU... Awesome vid.

[@gazyates5228]

Wished more motherboard makers would put safeboot on their hi end boards its a godsend, shame my aorus master doesent have one its a good overclocker for mem and cpu but when it gets stuck in a boot loop my only option is to hit the clear cmos button .

[@kernelpickle]

Yeah, if you wanna test a water cooling loop, you can use a separate power supply that’s setup to run without a motherboard, and you should be able to get power up your pump and fans with whatever SATA or Molex connectors they need. Then you’re not powering up any of your actual components, and if it’s a hard line setup you kinda need everything connected and installed, while a soft line loop can be hooked up and run without any of the blocks mounted to the board.

[@THAT1993]

ISL 69269... the perfect controller

[@rev3489]

Okay one short question... How can i check if I have a underspeced PSU Cable or extension?

[@cyruschan5507]

Just look at the tiny words printed on your wires, lower AWG number is thicker

[@MikrySoft]

@@cyruschan5507 if you trust the printed specs (on Aliexpress special extensions that's a lottery). Measuring overall wire + insulation thickness doesn't always work either, since some manufacturers add more insulation to fake a thicker cable. (See video on cables GN published recently) Best method is to just cut the cable and measure the copper with calipers. You could try to measure resistance of the cable and calculate thickness from that, but it requires very precise measurements.

[@commptonn]

I love it when boards come with wifi because then they come with Bluetooth so if I want to connect my airpods to my pc I can

[@milchkopf3881]

noise cancelling helps ignoring the delta fans

[@igoresque]

A B buttons are rotated, but not + and -, which make them look like + and I

[@eliotrulez]

RAA229001 is a dual output 7 phase controller. they could have used that controller for the vrm alone excepct SA :) Other Question: is the RAA229828 really a 20-phase controller?

[@asdkj-gl2mq]

it is 8. check RAA220001's datasheet on page 2/15. pwm0/1/2/3/4/5/6/7=8 in total.

[@eliotrulez]

@@asdkj-gl2mq ok, thx

[@josebonilla101]

Interesting they did not go with a SMD DIMM slot thing... but yeah. Compared to the Vishay 100A stuff, that seems really tame.

[@PCMcGee1]

Did you notice the 100 amp smart power stages? 4Head

[@SlimlShady]

And here i am, happy with my cheap z590-a pro

[@infango]

sapphire rx 6900 xt toxic extreme PCB breakdown ? .. please man pretty please with a cherry on top !

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

it's the same PCB as the regular toxic

[@jwbowen]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Have you done a 6900 XT TOXIC breakdown?

[@infango]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking kk

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@jwbowen Now that you mention it I haven't because the 6900XTs used to be locked.

[@darchandarchan7036]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking “used to be”. So is it unleashed now?

[@Wasmachineman]

Is this still your favorite board almost a year on BZ?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

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[@imadecoy.]

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[@atanubaishnab4811]

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[@henok_gk]

That's cheating

[@werewolfmoney6602]

"some of the others aren't released yet" I Bet buildzoid is as excited for evga's x570 dark as I am

[@samfedorka5629]

It's possible they tested several power stages in this design and the 100A had better transient response or output ripple than the 90A.

[@tanishqbhaiji103]

No

[@liaminwales]

I now want to see prime 95 on LN2

[@G14N14RI12]

Is there a way to bench the mobos? Like, "these memory timings for these sticks are slightly better on this board" or is that way too much effort?

[@deivytrajan]

Check QVL lists, motherboard makers got a list of SOME ram tested and certified to run without a problem on a motherboard.

[@emperorSbraz]

historically there have been very small differences in performance for various loads for all generations of cpus along vendors. there are hidden routines for data bus training that run outside UEFI territory, I'd say it's signal level. that said it's a VERY small difference. benching for that is something some do and did and it's always either a waste of time or find a huge difference (MCE comes to mind) that's so large it didn't need special testing.

[@givemeajackson]

really hard to do, especially cause motherboards also have a silicon lottery/pcb lottery, and new bios versions can also change stuff. i guess you can find some rough trends, but basically it's always an experience report rather than a benchmark.

[@Allesstein]

This video was an exercise in 10min talking about whats good about the board and the rest ist just buildzoid ranting about the 100A SPS

[@countach27]

That video title left me no choice but to watch

[@Apollo-Computers]

Well the only way to get anything these days is for the manufacturers to give them to you. I quit trying forever ago now.

[@mattcroft]

inquiring minds would like to know; what goes in the eighth USB slot

[@creed5248]

What cpu is even worthy of the 590 boards ?

[@skoopsro7656]

none. its a shame they wasted all these fancy designs on a bad platform.. atleast the bar is set here now for lga1700 and am5

[@reinhardtwilhelm5415]

Man, imagine making a board this good just to put an 11900K on it.

[@techfan7808]

Not a Shill at all BZ. If I was going to do competitive overclocking, this would be the board I would get.

[@nvidiazimbabwe5914]

This bios give u disable intel virtualization at all?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

yeah it's the misc section. I can't think of any board that doesn't have the option to disable it.

[@fleurdewin7958]

It looks to me like the there is no hole in the middle of the socket to mount a thermocouple for this limited edition extreme OC board? I would rather Gigabyte ditch that iGPU power though, Asus Maximus Apex boards ditched them. Replace that HDMI port with 2 more USB ports , even better.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

gigabyte doesn't really do the probe hole. Also with soldered CPUs it's really not that useful.

[@John-ss7pl]

How's this thing compared to M13A?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

IDK I don't have an M13A

[@kittyrules]

3:40 I'm not huge into benchmarking and stuff, but is this seriously a thing

[@givemeajackson]

yep, many XP records on HWbot. proper OS setup is super important for some benchmarks. i kinda get it, if you build an outrageous over the top OC board to break records you wouldn't want to get shrekt by some scrub board with at lower clocks because you can't run the right OS for the bench.

[@armbender]

B&H pre-order available. Too rich for me right now. I have an z590 Aorus Ultra on the way.

[@NotThatGuyJD]

BZ could it be that the 100A SPS have some benefits not linked to the efficiency over the 90A SPS?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

they do support upto 2MHz Fsw compared to 1.25MHz on the 90s but you don't get Fsw control in the BIOS and the board doesn't run them that fast on it's own either. Also even if you could set them to 2MHz it would make the VRM insanely hot.

[@NotThatGuyJD]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking ah yeah, was just wondering if there was any justification on the switch apart from the marketing. Which really shouldn't be a consideration for this board as it is targeted so specifically at XOC.

[@TheBackyardChemist]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Wouldnt a higher freq allow smaller inductors therefore better transient response?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@TheBackyardChemist it would but gigabyte is using the same 150nH chokes they use on any other board without doublers. This is basically a really big version of the VRM on the Z490i/Z590i Ultra with SiC840s instead of the ISL99390s

[@Nukerunin]

My last two Gigabyte boards have been kind of trash, but it's good to see they put out a 2 DIMM to compete with the Maximus APEX monopoly. This'll be good for long term system building if every company starts putting out at least one mid-high end 2 DIMM board, especially for Intel systems.

[@sabishiihito]

Never even saw it for sale in the USA :(

[@unitedfools3493]

Currently running Aorus Z390 Master. Coupla things really grind my gears regarding this board: the internal USB 3 header plastic and pins broke as I attempted to bend the cable. Granted some force was applied and you could argue it was my fault. However I have never broken one of these before doing the same thing and the plastic does appear rather thin. Also it's mounted facing out from the board instead of the perhaps better side mount. I see that the USB 3.2 appears the same on this board albeit that it's changed position from the middle right to the middle bottom. Another thing was the one HDMI for the iGPU. Another granted, many will not miss the more usual three ports but it struck me as being way to cheap on a high end board to not include even DVI and D-SUB although obviously DP is more useful.

[@kai990]

why can't they just make a board where all connectors stand straight up like the pci-e connectors?

[@Ironclad17]

I didn't even realize 100A PS exist.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

they are very very new

[@Metalhead-4life]

"Hey guys" cut to bert & ernie or Bob's 🍔 burgers. BZ has a future in cartoons

[@mx2004mx]

And my msi b450 mobo cant even keep a low end cpu stable

[@milchkopf3881]

it's not the board, it's the driver

[@mx2004mx]

@@milchkopf3881 how is the driver supposed to crash my system all the time and how does it make a lot of the mobo's features unusable?

[@powertoker5000]

This video is relevant to my interests.

[@profix25lo]

Imagine gigabyte selling a pre solderd golden sample 11900k with this board.......

[@suntryp]

can buy this board in Australia for around 660 usd (850aud)......crazy price

[@jonathanlarsen4177]

5:50 PC modders who use fcking 1,5mm² wires for every PSU cable: 👁👄👁

[@tanishqbhaiji103]

Don’t use metric here, Americans will freak out, say 16AWG.

[@Metalhead-4life]

Amen on the lack of pcie lanes

[@BillyONeal]

Some Gigabyte engineers right now: “wooooooooooooooo”

[@mystical4442]

Limp mode? What, does it give the mobo erectile dysfunction?

[@dumpsterdiverspcreclamation]

I'm a 12-USB-port type of person with a serious hard drive addiction.

[@Sunlight91]

Have you tried benchmarking on lubuntu? It's a very lightweight OS and might give you a few extra points.

[@qlum]

From what I understand hwbot does not accept linux submissions, if they did I am pretty sure certain benchmarks would be dominated by linux. If you want to optimize lubuntu may often not be the right bet. I'd say either arch or gentoo depending of compiler optimizations matter a lot.

[@halrichard1969]

Mr Buildzoid,,, have you ever just flat out designed what you believe would be, say, your Ultimate OC board, and say your ultimate OC Gamer board? If not, then why not? Then pass your white paper on to your favorite Manufacturer(s).

[@-Kerstin]

VRM 22:14

[@marktackman2886]

When Buildzoid is excited, I am too.

[@asdkj-gl2mq]

omg no cpu bracket!

[@UltraDXSASC]

TLDR: We Gigabyte simps

[@eggcopter]

Funny you mentioned that you may come off as a shill, I was wondering why you didn't capitalise AORUS TACHYON for more views. Since you didn't, I figured you can't really be shilling.

[@gurhankaya]

Go oc now

[@jessemazo4791]

past 4 years gigabyte has been nothing but problems for me ..my aourus pro z490 the audio out jack started whining after 3 months ..no big deal i used optical and it quit then bam usbs started failing after a year. gigarip can suck it .. i went asrock z590 extreme wife 6E and 4 months in and it still works like the day i bought it. dont even get me started on there vrm problem with video cards lmao a few years ago i bought a 1070 gigabyte off newegg ..about a week later it sounded like a 22 went off and bam my video cards stunk up my room ... shoulda leanrned then and there but i know better now

[@stigi3849]

Buildzoid is MY bestfriend:)

[@kovacspis]

This board looks very good bare pcb, naked. WIth the stock cooler it is ugly as fuck.

[@Muzzled]

Its only shilling if you don't genuinely like the product.

[@insignio1]

complaining about wifi but those ps-2 ports are ok??? You expect me to buy a mobo that supports a 25 year out of date OS just for benchmarking?? To add those ports to any current hardware is one of the more stupid things I have heard this year, let alone, someone preferring that over Wifi. I mean, yes... Wifi is pretty useless on a desktop, but those ps-2 ports are WAY more useless....

[@jrhowrey]

Whats the purpose of you hyping up a board only to then say you cant get one 20min in... Smh

[@techfan7808]

Please for the Love of Tech, use this with a 3090, Viper 4400 or Ballistix Max 5100, and some LN2 and Just go Off on the overclocking.

[@Mr2boosted]

Thanks a bunch for telling us about a board we can't buy ;-)

[@Bobzillaaaful]

"those are poscaps" -bz 2021

[@dumpsterdiverspcreclamation]

Yes!!! AXE the WIFI! I couldn't agree more.

[@wewillrockyou1986]

hi

[@cuzzinbpoty6069]

LoL gigabyte motherboards are trash and vrm overheating this guy is paid by gigabyte. Haha Asus is much better.

[@milchkopf3881]

lol

[@Bobzillaaaful]

last

[@ascrowok3941]

fourth

[@valkir293]

Too expensive.

[@Safetytrousers]

Not if it is the best motherboard ever made.

[@valkir293]

@@Safetytrousers The best ever can't just pretend and get silly though

[@IamBatdman]

First?

[@imadecoy.]

You got second