Mod Husky's View on Dryness Protection

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[@plaguedyouth]

the guy in the cc being 140 dry on ralos as he is talking about dryness protection is perfect

[@lil_NlGHTMARE]

i got it at 183 :')

[@merk1201]

@@lil_NlGHTMARE gz

[@rustyshackleford3636]

"The game was designed with constant progress in mind" - that's the ENTIRE POINT of dry protection. It's not the fact that someone goes 4x dry that really pisses someone off, it's the fact that they've invested god knows how much time for zero reward and are sitting at the same place as someone with 0 KC. I went 750 KC dry on a unique from Phosani's nightmare shortly after its release and just ended up dropping it because at that point, bots had already completely killed the prices of the items. I don't know why Reddit is framing this as some sort of issue that only bothers ironmen, like mains never PvM.

[@colinmarshall6634]

That's a bot issue, not a dryness issue. We know for sure that bot bans cause rapid price increases. Those items would have held their value without the bots.

[@friendlygiant1507]

Because redditors are child predators that shouldn't be given a choice. They are all so braindead it hurts. 500kg worms

[@cindericedemon]

Individual item value and slowed account progress aren't really a reason to make dryness protection on tradable items. This is even coming from someone with only 2 zenyte shards in 3200 gorillas, too. Drop rate protection is legit just the late millennial and gen Z need for instant gratification. RuneScape has ALWAYS been about the grind. The game is slowly becoming EoC all over again. Nobody is OWED progression, and drop rate protection removes more experiences than it adds by far. Special items, non-tradables like slayer heads, etc are fine to have dryness protection ONCE to ensure someone can get it the first time. But I don't agree with "reeeee I can't make money because my luck was shit" when if there was protection, nobody would even see prices close to what you'd get without it anyways. If this trend continues, it's gonna be another RS3 failure repeat.

[@enumeration]

Husky's take on rng makes sense for someone who got 2 tbows in 50kc on their ironman

[@thehalfman2639]

100%. I went 2.7k for Tbow and I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Once you spend a year+ in a single place in the game, it's hard not to be in favor of SOME sort of dry protection

[@monker231]

⁠@@thehalfman2639shouldn’t have made an Ironman then. That’s what you signed up for. Obtain the drops yourself. I’m sure there also many places you’ve went under rate and got spooned

[@bad1boy34]

People don't sign up to farm white chests, dupe purples and to plank to blobs. They sign up to get clogs and capes.

[@julianrogers8608]

​@@thehalfman2639should've de ironed then I didn't make my iron to cry when I go dry and ask for dupe protection I just keep grinding because that's what the game mode is about

[@thehalfman2639]

@@julianrogers8608 such a stupid take that always misses the point. I did the grind until I got the bow - I’m no stranger to grinding and I’ve been persistent with every grind thus far. Getting lucky is fun, spending an absurd amount of hours in one place with no guarantee that you’re any closer than when you started is not. Humor me here - what is the item/grind you’ve personally gone the driest for?

[@LunarcomplexMain]

It took me 2,670 barrows chests to get my first Guthans Helm piece... while that grind was not fun, it did become funnier and funnier over the complete bs that I went through just wanting to have Guthans to afk in...

[@IniKepi]

hey you are like but unluckier lmao, i was missing spear and got it at 1600 just to afk nmz at the time

[@PooP-ri6hv]

I completed barrows at 695 lol RIP

[@Wishkeyn]

This is why Perilous moons has the drop system it has, and honestly barrows could get the same treatment. Because it's a mid game stop which doesn't really need to be this much rng. Altough this doesn't mean every drop should get this treatment. Having different drop systems is nice imo, having Bad luck protection somewhere and full rng elsewhere is fine. Having all equipment also shouldn't be the design goal, it's fine that there are some pieces of gear that are just unobtainable for a lot of players, the most important part is that there are optional paths of progression. Bowfa even though very powerful, it's not as much better than it's alternatives compared to a year or two ago. My biggest issue with Bowfa is that it's a bit too disconnected from the rest of your progression. Skills and prayers from raids are the only upgrades, the prep doesn't improve either.

[@jordantalley6386]

​@Wishkeyn hey man could u add to an explain what u mean about bowfa being disconnected from progression. I couldn't figure out really what that meant

[@Wishkeyn]

@@jordantalley6386 it means that you can both get it very early on as you dont benefit from getting better gear before farming it, and that it's so strong that it allows you to skip the natural gear progression.

[@mdxcblue]

Terrible take from Husky, especially using TD's as an example. Burning claws being split into 2 1/500 drops when back in the day they were 1/256 for a pair is an example of Jagex being MORE punishing with drop rates, not more lenient.

[@LogOutGoGym]

Contradicted himself with "The idea of an MMO is to flex the achievements." at the same time as "it should be impactful that you go lucky". Is it luck? or is it an achievement? I think the frustration from the players is that Jagex can't decide if things should be luck orientated, or achievement based. I'm fully in the latter camp. Everything should have an element of RNG for that "no way that happened" factor, but there should also be a reasonable 2x-3x-5x standard drop rate protection on items that hinder progress. Our game is not short of content to move onto, stop acting like it is.

[@ironatica]

RS3 added a system to their pets drop rates a few years ago that's quite decent. Don't quote me exactly on it, since it has been years, but I believe every bosses has a threshold (example 500 kills), and every time you hit that threshold, the drop rate for the pet decreases. I think adding something similar to OSRS for all unique drops could be non-destructive while preventing players from going 10x over a drop rate. The numbers could be different from the RS3 systems, but maybe something like the drop rate decreasing by 10% of the original drop rate every time you hit the drop rate of the item? Lets take the Gauntlet as an example. The drop rate for a enhanced weapon seed is 1/400, so every time you hit an additional 400 kills, the drop rate would decrease by 40 (10%). Kill 1-400 : Drop rate of 1/400 Kill 401-800: Drop rate of 1/360 Kill 801-1200: Drop rate of 1/320 Kill 1201-1600: Drop rate of 1/280 Kill 1601-1900: Drop rate of 1/240 Kill 1901-2300: Drop rate of 1/200 Kill 2301-2700: Drop rate of 1/160 Kill 2701-3100: Drop rate of 1/120 Kill 3101-3500: Drop rate of 1/80 Kill 3501-3900: Drop rate of 1/40 Kill 3901-4300: Drop rate of 1/1 (or perhaps, once it reaches 1/1 it stays at the previous drop rate. So 1/40) As shown, you would be guaranteed the drop within 4k kills (10x rate). But with the decreasing drop rate, it would be pretty much impossible to actually get to 10x. This would completely prevent players from never obtaining the drop, especially at places where going 10x the drop rate can be 100s of hours. Even 3-5x the drop rate would be way unlikely with this system, while keeping the "surprise" of getting a drop. Also, in my opinion, once the player gets the item in its collection log, the threshold should no longer exist, so it would only be applicable to the first item.

[@luketargett2233]

You mean the drop rate increases :)

[@colinmarshall6634]

While I'm in favor of this in principle, I don't think dryness protection should kick in until much later. Gauntlet also wouldn't be an issue if there was a viable alternative to the bowfa.

[@ironatica]

@@luketargett2233 Oh yea, I definitely meant increases :)

[@ironatica]

@@colinmarshall6634 The way this would be implemented and the numbers could (and probably should) be way different. But I wanted to lay some examples to give a rough idea of how it could look like.

[@lol33380]

I like the take

[@VallianceRS]

i genuinely dont agree with Husky here. I don't think theres ever a piece of content where ive *liked* / remembered it because "oh yeh i went **stupidly dry and become the statistical anomaly". Dry protection should simply seek to protect against *absurd* amounts of dry, for the first drop acquired on the account ( the collection log unlock). It shouldnt be aiming to bell curve everyone like the DT2 bosses Ring feature did. It should be a decreasing drop rate after 2 or 3x, and aims to make 5x and beyond just... *not possible*. It affects near nobody at that point, it doesn't impact the economy, and it protects the absurd idea that someone could go 1000s of hours slower for an item on an iron. Just meh

[@VallianceRS]

It shouldnt target group content at all. no impact to raids. no impact to nex. .So theres no "oh bring XYZ player they're 3x dry on tbow so we're more likely to see it".

[@jurgnobs1308]

​@@VallianceRS would also make splitting loot complicated because that player essentially deserved that drop not just from this raid but all the ones that lead up to the kc that has the theoretical protection

[@Quasar_MB]

Dry protection if implemented needs to be done very carefully. I really liked a Reddit post that I saw once that suggested halving the drop rate at around 3x dry and basically guaranteeing it at 5x dry. Of course this can be tweaked from the original suggestion but I think it’s one of the better ones suggested. The amount of people with even close to the kc of 5x of any drop rate is already so so low, probably in the realm of 1-2% at most. Let’s take someone learning toa and going for a fang for example. At the typical starting players 150invo your chance of getting a purple is 1/50 and 1/3 when opening for the fang. That means you would need to do 450 150s for the drop rate to double. Or 750 150s to basically be guaranteed the fang. Is that enough toas for people to be ok with that? That’s more then 2 weeks of your literal life span just doing toa for a fang in the worst case scenario. And that’s WITH the bad luck mitigation. This really should be ok. I understand osrs is a grindy game and ppl see it as “part of the grind” but we should be encouraging healthier life styles in general. And this still won’t effect the majority of people anyway, just the REALLY unlucky ones. This change would also have little to no effect on the economy because as mentioned already, the amount of ppl this applies to is so little. Also, whatever percent increase in items that comes as a result of this can potentially be looked at to be taxed out of the game, this number is so small already it would probably not change much anyway.

[@jjang8195]

15:50 So you go to shamans only to end up going incredibly dry on dwh. Frustrated, you decide to send bandos any way only to end up incredibly dry there too. Whenever I hear someone say "you don't have to go for bofa, you can play inefficiently" it's an instant eye-rolling take. Takes like this usually come from people that have been spooned immensely and don't have empathy. 2 tbows in 50 kc, of course you don't want any pity system because you've already been rewarded by the current system--there's no reason to change it.

[@salvest3rr]

i got spooned a hammer and went bandos it barely helped misses most of the time and i still whipped it down 750 times for no hilt

[@nick11925]

Mod Husky's last take seems like a really good one, but I would still be a fan of dry luck protection

[@fizz9698]

Mod husky is actual fool for saying what he's saying, thinking that "just whip bandos" is an insane take. He's never experienced a year long grind on something with his 2 tbows at 50kc and this is what's running the team absolutely out of touch and ridiculous

[@friendlygiant1507]

Well, you're a jobless thing in his basement playing runescape. Some people do have jobs and can't play 500 hours a day to grind this one piece of gear for 2 years.

[@fizz9698]

@@friendlygiant1507 my guy that's why I'm upset. Mod husky is so out of touch. I have a job i can't pump out 30 cox a, day. And then mod husky tells me to just play the game inefficiently. Or just accept the fact that I'm not gunna get a big ticket mega rare in my life. Meanwhile he's laughing with 2 tbows in his hands as he complains about Abyssal sire

[@ElysianBB]

exactly, i have over 2.2k cox kills combined in 4 accounts and i still yet to see a tbow... and during this i have only seen 5 tbows for others... thats just insane + im currently on 1.7k gwd boss kills with yet to receive my first godsword shard 1.. call me crazy but i trully think that the rng system in this game is coded wrong and i really wish mod ash would look into it deeply

[@lolomgbrblmao]

Not to mention, ironmen before bowfa used to use Blowpipe. But then they nerfed it.

[@cindericedemon]

​@@fizz9698 You are not owed optimal efficiency. Maybe try to stop requiring BIS items and accept the luck you've rolled? Isn't the statement that you have a job and are an adult indicative of you being able to understand that not everything is, or even can be, fair for everyone at the same time? This is coming from someone with terrible luck and a 60hr/wk job too, so uhhhh where's the excuse? "But I don't wanna grind bandos for an indeterminate time. I DESERVE to have this item WHEN I want it." Welp, how about don't get bandos then, because that sort of attitude when adversity hits will keep you in the victim mindset for life.

[@veo16]

The mods don’t seem to understand that not every player is going to be doing thousands of kc on content. With the current system, a large portion of players will never see a rare item. While those that play ceaseless 8-hour sessions will not only see drops, but be rewarded with occasional dumps of multiple rares back to back. Dry spells still hurt but ultimately don’t mean much to those that no life the game. I don’t mind if every kill is a Vital Spark (rs3, sanctum, limitless codex). At least you can plan ahead and foresee the end of a grind.

[@XxSupaBAMxX]

you can also get multiple rares back to back if you do 3 raids a week. that's not how rng works at all

[@ElysianBB]

@@XxSupaBAMxX you are missing his point... we know how rng works.. thanks alot bye

[@XxSupaBAMxX]

@@ElysianBB yeah his point is he wants to get drops without grinding so he should probably get another game

[@s7efen805]

i wish it was brought up but... my take is that dry protection is a complaint based on poor progression. Look at lance. Going dry on lance SUCKS. Except very few people complain, why? because fang, scythe, blade etc compete in that space- dry on lance? can play the game. Flip this around and look at bowfa. Nothing remotely competes with bowfa. Bowfa is a problem not because 'im 1200 dry at cg' but because acb and dcb do not fit their role properly. The same issue existed with DWH for a while- but now bgs, bone dagger and voidwaker all exist and minimize the 'cant play game till dwh' deal. have better progression and dry protection isnt necessary. have better progression and going dry hurts far, far less. 'players feel forced' yeah, because if you dont have bowfa you are doing 40-50% less dps . there's a literal chasm between bowfa and... below bowfa. like why not just rework crossbows and bolt impact? bowfa gets free 30% accuracy on every hit. diamond E gets.... 11% chance of a guaranteed successful hit. it's a joke. zcb, masori, dragon ruby bolts- literal full pre tbow crossbow max range BARELY edges out bowfa crystal while the bolts hit 110- it should be much better. acb should somewhat compete with bowfa. instead we get random dry protection on weird niche grinds that don't 'need' it because who cares if you are dry on a niche ring or niche aoe bow? that was never the complaint. the complaint was 'i went dry on an item required to play the game' - its a big miss from the devs tbh.

[@jimmyracecar7]

ACB should be buffed, but absolutely should not compete with bowfa. Gotta have balance. CG is a grueling grind and should be for what you're getting. Sara on the other hand is pretty brain dead. They've improved range progression a lot too with atlatl, sunlight hunter cb, and scorched bow and then you have crystal bow with the armor too.

[@s7efen805]

@@jimmyracecar7 i mean its not sara vs cg, its sara, cox/wildy grind for offhand, toa for masori vs cg. the combination of a good offhand and masori pieces... it should. cg is top tier pvm content and 60-70 hrs is less time than grinding an odium ward, an acb and a masori piece or two.

[@lang8289]

Keep the spirit of the game, dry protection beyond that of perilous moons isnt needed (because barrows grind is kinda stupid), but main problem is when ONE grind becomes SO important to your entire account. Most grinds you can mix it up, go for other incremental upgrades instead. But for bowfa you are almost required to do this one piece of content for as mentioned, 18+ months potentially if you get just a bit unlucky and don't nolife the game. The problem is crystal armour, bowfa, and literally nothing else is still noticably better than literal full range bis with a crossbow. Zenyte, pegasian, zaryte vambraces and crossbow, venator ring, quiver, full masori, buckler, all those long late game grinds combined and it's still worse than ONE SINGLE GRIND. Going dry in incremental upgrades people can deal with. Going dry on the one singular grind preventing you from playing the rest of the game is too much.

[@lang8289]

@@FirstPersonSciencePodcast The fact that the options are either grind an activity people call a prison or de-iron is exactly the problem I'm talking about

[@jaco379b]

@@FirstPersonSciencePodcast Issue with range specifically is that it's either go for bowfa or play suboptimally (there are no other range options at tier 80 besides bowfa). Consider other skills such as melee you can grind 85 slayer and get a whip or you can say fuck slayer and do wildy bosses for voidwaker (also a tier 70 weapon with insane spec) or you can technically get zombie axe and go for inquist mace on phosani, or you can get a stab weapon and try to cheek early fang or if you have friends and have a d scim you can do tob for fun and maybe get a rapier etc. What options do you have for range? They've added range weapons after bowfa but all of these are gimmicky (venator) or they are just not bowfa level. Dont get me wrong atlatl is a great addition and is amazing hybrid armor for mid game, but it doesn't come close to bowfa.

[@lang8289]

@@FirstPersonSciencePodcast Yeah to be clear I do not want changes to RNG system. IMO solution is to make any one singular grind less impactful (Until VERY late game, scythe/shadow/tbow type grinds are valid I think). Like I mentioned above why is CG alone better than every other late game BiS ranged grind combined? It should not be the case. Bowfa needs to be less impactful - either a nerf or new content that serves as an alternative in the massive gap between rcb and tbow. They have been making small steps - Hunters Sunlight Crossbow is better than rcb in many places, Scorching bow is better than RCB in most places, but they are still like 50% worse than bowfa lmfao

[@lang8289]

@@jaco379b I've heard atlatl described as a blowpipe alternative, I think it's a good addition but yeah not a solution for the bowfa problem.

[@jaco379b]

​@@lang8289 Idk another issue with bowfa is that it becomes so mundane, I'd rather do hunleff fight ONLY and have the drop be 1/800 than do 4-5 min prep and then a 3-5 min kill on boss.

[@ohyeahfitz]

comment section wreaks of desperation

[@guitargod3545]

Statistics are very hard to visualize. To help everyone, on a vorkath pet drop (1/3000) even after 3x the kc, there's still going to be thousands upon thousands of players without the pet. I'm talking 9,000 kc people, of course they'd have to have the will to get there in the first place. But those are real, statistics.

[@brentmabey3181]

Statistician here to provide a little more context: roughly 1 in 20 players would go 3x dry on vorkath pet. Unlucky? Sure. But, in a game with millions of players, that's still tens to hundreds of thousands of players going that dry. Fun fact: a similar number would also get spooned the pet within their first 150 kc

[@spiegs8188]

This is true af. I have 1 chaos elemental pet in 1000 kc. Got ot around 750 as well

[@rene1OOO3]

Can’t bring myself to log in anymore. DT2 SRA grind has ruined the game for me. 3/4 pieces. Over 6k kc across all the bosses. The whisperer is the most time consuming boss when you don’t have a shadow and it’s such a miserable slog to grind. I’ll try again when leagues rolls around but yeah dryness and the time sink is just too much. I’m not sure 15 years old any more. I’ve got a life to live lol

[@joeyschmidt7546]

i finalllyyyyy got whisperer axe piece and green logged at 1896kc after 2037kc to get axe from vard. 5-6 months of full time game play for 2/4 axe pieces. i feel thats really unhealthy the game should be fixed thats not okay in my opinion a normal person would never put themselves through what we put up with. now onto duke and levi sigh

[@r2Kd0ugernaut]

ive played this game since literally mud. the reason i had to stop playing the game was simply because i didnt have time to grind cox for 2 years for a tbow. had to actually fuckin live my life. 17,400kc vorkath, no pet or visage. cant be fucked, my time is better spent somewhere else.

[@rook_osrs]

I was very much in group 1 most of my iron journey. Loved maxing on an iron. But RNG completely dictates your joy in this mode. I see players get a shadow under 10 purples and TBow within 5 purples and they save months and months of time in raid hours and supply farming compared to someone else who goes 1k+ KC and 50 purples for a tbow and 40+ purples for a shadow. I wish there was a way to ensure the same players aren’t consistently going dry across some of the longer grinds.

[@PhilTruthborne]

No one should be forced to rely on luck to progress. Learning and investing a reasonable ammount of resources and time into content should net you items so you can move onwards. Mastering content should reward you with a good money making method or challenge cosmetics. Grinding content for insane hours should net you with a _flex_ like pets, the only thing that really justfies huge luck grinds.

[@Rsmvbizz]

We are all getting older, our time is stretching thin. More content keeps coming out, how much can we really dedicate toward the game we love if we aren't compensated well for our time? I love OSRS and its honestly the most satisfying grind that any game has to offer, but like Mod Husky said...Its incredible inconsistent.

[@MrPatrickbuit]

Also the grinds are getting longer. Getting any BIS weapon on average takes 150 hours of purely sending high efficiency raids on a main, and well over 400 hours on an ironman. And that is when not going dry. It’s insane to expect someone going dry to spend 1000 hours on a raid and still not get the item. 1000 hours is 25 full work weeks of ingame time. We didn’t have these ridiculously long pvm grinds that we do now when bis gear was Bandos with a whip.

[@Rsmvbizz]

@@FirstPersonSciencePodcast you will feel the same when you have a family and a job man.

[@WillFiordalisi]

No, because of the sheer amount of available items, you don't get everything

[@ErrrrDontKnow]

I really dont understand why it isnt as simple as doubling your droprate if you hit 5x droprate. 5x is 1% of people, and they're still not going to be guarenteed the drop. Its literally just throwing a bone to someone that happened to get screwed by rng.

[@Outcxst.]

Almost 2500 kc and still no siren staff. 😢 almost to 5x right now (1/512) on a table that is supposed to be antidry antispoon. Guess that strictly applies to the rings only however, wish that was defined more clear when jumping into these and I wish they would have thought about the ingots when designing these tables. I get the initial thought behind it. 3 minute kills with a sang for example is really annoying when you get upwards of 100+ hours on a single boss for a 1/512 item lol so tbh idk how I feel about it. I'm undecided lol I like rare things but feel there should be some anti mechanic for the extreme cases on most short timed repeatable encounter tables, so you're not ruining the gaming experience and making someone not want to boss at other areas or not want to skill or quest or whatever because they feel like they're "locked" in an area and "soon I should get it!". Of course you could go do anything you want but it definitely takes away from the experience in a lot of cases for the very unlucky people or during end game phases when the only items for your builds that you need, you can't get at 5x rates and on. I kinda agree with both sides of the argument in ways lol but also depends on so many variables, are you a main or iron, what content are you capable of/do you enjoy, how fast do you burn out on a boss, what gear do you currently have and how efficiently can you train it, etc, etc. 🤷‍♂The experience is always going to be different.

[@marcbabineau6001]

@@Outcxst. 13,5k kc kraken no pet, but I get what he says, got calisto pet at like 100 kc….I guess the point is that it all evens out

[@cHaMp630]

So just spend 1,600 hours at cox and you can get a tbow now? Heh, noooooooooooooooooooooooooo. These horrid droprates for endgame content only exist for jagex to pad out what little content they actually have instead of just making more endgame content to compensate droprates not being misery.

[@WyvirnRS]

@@Outcxst. meanwhile my group ironman got siren's staff 1kc (from the quest boss) lmao

[@eds7228]

​@@marcbabineau6001the problem is it doesn't even out. Some people go dry on everything, some people go crazy dry on the longest grinds, some people don't really go dry at all. It balances on the scale of a player base but as an individual player if you go 10× at nm or chambers you're kinda cooked and no amount of spooning is going to help the thousands of hours you just lost. Especially if you're an iron doing it without a tbow/scythe watching other irons complete in 300kc using a tbow for all of them and you're on your 5000th kc. On rate theres something like 7k hours of bossing. Some bosses are 1k hours and if you go 10× on that one boss you've already racked up the playtime to complete an average account. There's just no coming back from that no matter how much you spoon.

[@evghb]

Everyone who plays an odds-based game needs to accept the inevitability that over time, and after enough content is engaged with, you will get both very lucky and very unlucky in equal amounts. Getting a 1/1000 drop on the first KC is as likely as going 6500 kc without getting the drop. Think of how many 1/1k items you've received under drop rate, now think about how many you went 5500 kills over for and still never got. I doubt very many come to mind. A game that has so much horizontal content with such high drop rates also comes with the ability for players to achieve their goals in different, creative ways. You don't need a 5B bank account, and max BiS, and a max cape with infernal and quiver to enjoy this game. You just need to set goals that are fun, and if you stop having fun or the goal feels not worth the effort then move on! Go do something else, and maybe come back to it, or never at all. Keep in mind this is just a video game, after all.

[@sr1488]

Yeah but not all dryness streaks are created equal. You could be spooned 10 niche items in a row then go dry at CG and you're net negative hundreds of hours, if not more, because of it.

[@seenkyle5591]

it doesnt matter if its unlikely to go 10x dry it should never happen and no one is asking for 10 drop rates on megas

[@ErrrrDontKnow]

Yeah i didnt like that part, i understand hyperbole, but i genuinely dont see people saying that we should all just get tbows for free. Its about protecting the people that have earned that drop by doing thousands of kc, not about "ezscape".

[@forkborking7]

i would accept guaranteed drops at 10x. enjoy ur tbow and rank 5 cox kc

[@ChazFoulstone]

@@forkborking7 Where's the enjoyment of being at 9500kc and going "ugh, 500kc to go", and once you finally get the item... cool. The enjoyment is entirely gone, and the game is dogshit now.

[@forkborking7]

@@Mecinimi 10x is like 1/22k so surely it has happened

[@forkborking7]

@@ChazFoulstone i think ur underestimating how rare 10x rate is

[@BadDogeU]

It should not be possible for someone to go even 3x the drop rate, let alone 10x, let alone 100x. His argument hinges on the idea of prioritizing work for developers that maximizes the player's enjoyment of the game, but people are actually quitting over going dry. Everyone who has played this game into late game content has gone dry at one point or another, it's miserable, it leaves a permanent bad taste in your mouth. If you're an iron, you're not using the GE, so it can very much gatekeep you out of late game content. But what's even more weird with the priority argument is that it's not even hard to implement so it's just really fucking sad that they see it like a low priority item. Jagex devs don't even have to go for the moon with it and implement it for all item RNG, it can be done piecemeal and at least handle things like the enemy kill drops and raid drops in iteration 1 then move onto the more complicated stuff later (like clue scrolls).

[@BadDogeU]

The "people wanting fair drop rates" is just a strawman. Nobody wants everybody to get a drop on exactly 100 kc of some boss (no more, no less), that's lame af. It's amazing that some people can walk up and get it on their first shot, it provides a net positive uncertainty to the game. Everybody has either themselves, or a friend/clan mate, gotten a crazy drop at low kc. It makes the game interesting. Is going 100x the drop rate interesting? Sure, it's interesting, but for who? Certainly not the person experiencing it, and certainly not the people who are thinking about getting into the game. It's a net negative game experience.

[@alfredonunez5836]

Dryness protection should only apply to untradeable items. The problem is that as an ironman everything is an untradeable item. But you signed up for that. If you were a main you could go farm something you enjoy doing, earn enough money and just buy it to skip the grind. Stop trying to get the game changed because you prefer to play the MMO game in single player mode.

[@evghb]

14:57 This is the most important argument that anyone could ever have against dryness protection. You don't need the item that you think you do to play and especially enjoy the game, and if you're obsessing over the collection log then maybe reassess your priorities in life lmao.

[@JD-tq4sm]

Except doing raids with a rune crossbow is fucking bullshit. 900 zil kc and 1100 cgs. So fuck yeah I absolutely support some form of dry protection.

[@jimmyracecar7]

@@JD-tq4sm boo hoo. i went 1300 for my bowfa and you dont see me whining. part of the game mode that YOU selected. and surely you have 6 armor seeds. why are you not using crystal bow + armor?

[@evghb]

@@JD-tq4sm This guy is stuck in 2008 and thinks an RCB is his only non-Bowfa option lol my brother in christ have you not heard of the Dragon or even Armadyl crossbow? Can I interest you in a Hunter's Sunlight Crossbow with moonlight antler bolts? Go buy a blowpipe with dragon darts and stfu. And if you're an ironman then definitely stfu and enjoy the game with the gear you can get

[@steelcitysteve8794]

Well let's be honest not a single ironman looks forward to certain grinds because the hours can be several hundred to a thousand. My ironman took 13.5k shamans to get a warhammer. That's 145 hours, for someone who plays after work for a few hours your talking about well over a month.

[@AndDeez]

im 1800 raids dry a tbow

[@marvsiceslice]

The only people against Bad luck mitigstion either have 10 hours a day to play or theyve already invested 1000s of hours into the game, think theyre cool because they have s rare item and think theyll lose that coolness if everyone has one. For most people it feels like absolute trash to finally get say 4/5 hours on a weekend go grind a boss only to get junk, literal useless junk. Most functioning adults takaway from this would be "wow ive literally waster 5 hours for nothing, fuck this gsme im going elsewhere"

[@hazmatt8349]

I'd agree, a lot of irons complain because they can't get BIS or play efficiently. So many follow whatever guide and get 99FM to start. Just play the game and enjoy it. RCB is perfectly fine; I used it for years before I got an Arma xbow and then a Bofa. Bofa's great but part of Iron and other content-locked account is doing the best you can with what you have. Otherwise just de-iron and go buy it. I also agree with the post-main ironman mentality when it's all PVM focused. If/when I max I'll probably de-iron when I run out of supplies, because I don't like that part of the game. It's all about setting goals that you're fine with and that you want to do. If you're not enjoying it, do something else instead. Don't feel like you have to have this grind mentality just because every KZbinr does.

[@CapeSkill]

you're delusional if you think doing any content with rcb is ''fine'', this is such a disingenuous take and mostly comes from people who are spooned the crucial items. Of course husky is going to say this after he gets spooned 50kc tbow and is blasting through any content with ease. Blud has never experienced what it means to do something inefficiently for hundreds to thousands of hours.

[@hazmatt8349]

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[@KyloB]

Ffxiv has reasonable "dryness" protection. In the bosses that drop weapons or mounts for example at low rates, the boss also has a guaranteed drop of an untradable totem, and after collecting a certain amount of those totems you can exchange them for the item you're dry on. I think that would be perfectly reasonable in a game like OSRS. If an item has a 1/2k droprate, give that npc a stackable "totem" for every kill. Dont make it the exact drop rate for example but maybe after collecting 2.5k totems you can exchange them all for the item. This doesnt work in reverse though, you cant just exchange an item for totems to get another item instead. Sure you could get that 1/2k item at 10 or 50kc, but if you're dry at almost 1900kc and you're feeling disheartened, at least you can rest easy knowing you are still making progress and you'll feel more motivated to keep trying because despite it taking longer, you *will* get it.

[@shaneroberts9702]

I like this one

[@Nomad_OG]

4:27 this is the reason I have not played in a year or so, I am in the 2200+ zone and I CBA doing agil and RC when I could just wait a year or two and spend half the time.... and just do other stuff in the mean time.

[@Goorlel]

well duh, this game does not respect your time at all. So why bother doing such tasks unless you're dead set on a goal such as maxing, or getting a tbow.

[@jeroens4018]

ZMI is literally 100k+ xp/h and has been for years. No way rc probably ever gets a faster method lol

[@Nomad_OG]

@@jeroens4018 I don't do Adderall though

[@ivanlara6760]

ZMI is not even close to 100k xp an hr unlesd you have 4 essence runners active at all times.

[@alexward8596]

OSRS NEEDS MORE SOULBOUND ITEMS. Can just afk at GE while people do new content, get lucky day one BiS drops and sell to rich man. Items that are BiS AND untradeable is a great feeling, just like the feeling in vanilla WoW

[@julianrogers8608]

You need to be banned from voting on the polls 😂😂

[@ElysianBB]

lets drop our dry streaks even if you think its not that dry.... 1500 gwd bosses kills no blade yet 700 demonics no zenyte took mee 550 zulrah kills for my first ever rare 350 cox 50 cm cox with kodai and dex only 900 cerberus with 1 crystal which was eternal, 941 got my primo and decided to say fuckk the pegasian i didnt even get serious with tob yet.. and im afraid to go cox knowing i will get another uncut or salt or ores or some grimy....

[@adamcopland2388]

I can't imagine a more biased way to ask someone a question. Putting aside whatever opinion you have that's awful interviewing and you can do better.

[@jackattack1993]

Going dry is just part of the game. Im 5x dry at nex 2200 shards no drops(half my kc is small team). I was spooned a shadow and a scythe though. Rng is what the game is built on and it should remain.

[@sr1488]

well of course you feel that way if you were spooned 2 of the most important megarares in the game. Going dry at nex sucks but torva is way less important than the items you got to play the game . Nobody wants to remove rng, thats not what dry protection is

[@xiqua6417]

Went 900 kc dry for a zenyte, went 80 250 level TOA raids for a purple, 290 kc for 1st bandos item, im at 140 barrows kc with 4 items, at 940 kc at cerb with no prims yet, as someone who goes unlucky on most things, it sucks hardcore

[@forkborking7]

lol not even that bad

[@grimeye1]

I agree it sucks , I suggest you hop to different activities, I did that and got spooned after at zulrah

[@rosinssb5506]

While we're complaining I'm 45 Cox purples no bow, ancestral top or maul, 1180cg for an enhanced, took me 1500ish for my first synapse, got my shadow on my 71st toa purple. I try to not whine about it too much cause I see people all the time who are more dry than me but it does get old being consistently unlucky

[@xiqua6417]

@@forkborking7 i know its not that bad, its more about it gets old going for shit and not getting it when your “supposed” to get it

[@xiqua6417]

@@rosinssb5506 it gets super old super quick

[@OhJoski]

should be another way to get bowfa, fuck cg it made me quit twice now

[@colinmarshall6634]

The issue isn't the bowfa or how you obtain it. It's the utter lack of an alternative mid to late game range weapon. Scorching bow helps, but it's not enough.

[@julianrogers8608]

Go play a main then cg isn't even that bad of a grind ur not cut out for an iron so don't play it

[@julianrogers8608]

​@@colinmarshall6634bowfa skip is perfectly viable you don't have to grind a bowfa Ik many irons who didn't grind cg and they're doing fine in the end game

[@colinmarshall6634]

@@julianrogers8608 Every iron I know that doesn't have a bowfa went 100+ cox runs just to see a purple. You simply don't get enough raid points without it.

[@Vetionarian]

the beauty of RNG is the same thing as the curse of RNG. I'm going for all pets on my ironman and sometimes when you go literally 300+ hours for one single pet grind because you're going over 4x dry on a 1/5000 drop... you want to ask God "WHY ME?!?!?". But then.. randomly you'll get like a 100 kc Araxxor pet on week of release (actually happened to me). The beauty is knowing it's all unknown. You will not go dry on every single grind but you sure as hell will on at least a few. And if you don't and everything you touch turns into gold instantly with no effort... f*ck you. 😆but most of us it's going to be ups and downs. and that's what makes it an adventure.

[@elisartil4341]

It's puzzling how people's thoughts are expressed as an unexplained mystery, and not just a consequence of how the game is designed. Why do people think this, or play like that? Because that's what the game rewards.

[@The-Khatalyst]

Even Raid Shadow Legends has a mercy system, and the game is owned by a GAMBLING company. RS could do something.

[@benjaminunruh7970]

I have legit quit an account because of a 8x drop rate. I uninstalled and deleted runescpae at 8x drop rate and stopped playing for 2 years

[@MacDaniboi]

Drinking game: Take a shot every time he says "like"

[@hudsondo9581]

I think a cap of like 10x of a 100% drop. But I'm 2 years into a dwh grind that is never ending. Even with the new rates, I'm up to 7x rate. And it's made me stop playing a couple of times.

[@adambryant6854]

Here is what I think the only items that should receive dryness protection are items that are untraceable and more like qol or small dps upgrades I am an account at 2165 total lvl 610m bank I am 100% ok with pets having high drop rates "Don't play an iron man if u don't want to do the long grinds that are inevitable " couldn't agree more

[@Sim-po1mc]

im a casual and i have accumulated 1k cox and i dont even have half log, not pet, no tbow... i only get ancestral robe bottom

[@Schmidddty]

the annoying ass drop rates thinking im spending more than a full time job on an in game item are why i rwt and dont care lol.

[@bad1boy34]

I like Mod Husky but to me he seems super biased on this topic. I feel like the same logic that says players will like grinds if they go rate or better on them can be extended to their perspectives on the system as a whole. In other words, if we can expect people to like grinds when they get lucky, we can expect people to like the current drop rates/systems if they have good experiences with it just the same. Meaning that a person who gets lucky on important relevant items (like twisted bows) and unlucky on easily skippable minor upgrades (like the abyssal bludgeon) can be expected to favor the current system with that same logic. I'm conflicted on this, because I agree with him that the system is special, but I don't think that it's special because people other than him went dry on tbows. How do we know that his desire to not want a fair system "because it wouldn't be special" is truly separate from his own vested interest? How do we know that his opinion on this subject comes from a fair place when the man himself says he doesn't have empathy? And he has every reason to not want his spoons to be devalued by a fair system that would make his luck less special?

[@steet2]

DRYNESS PROTECTION HAS NO PLACE IN OLD SCHOOL RUNESCAPE.

[@ImTheMan0fSteel]

NO DROP RATE PROTECTION IS DUMB. Youre not SUPPOSED to get everything. The game was NEVER DESIGNED OR INTENDED around that idea. Id you cant take 1000s of kc for a boss for one specific item, YOU DON'T GET IT lollll.

[@NathanParrish-o6m]

Shit I'm 1500 dry on tbow n 131 cm dry on twisted kit

[@bosarmin05able]

The older I get the less likely I will be to spend 6 hours doing agility to gain 200k xp. The little time I have to play this game I want to actually play and not grind for weeks. The game has to grow with us to an extent.

[@godofidaho6756]

You'll enjoy project zanaris when it's released

[@octopusgoat2502]

Just don’t train agility then. No important unlocks after lvl 70.

[@KeytarArgonian]

Sounds like you’re not doing Hallowed Sepulchre.

[@okirra6064]

lets 5x agility xp because its bad. thanks. thats what i want.

[@RobinHood__]

13k no pet vorki wheres my dryness protection

[@stevenalcorn4955]

Any new pets from now on should be more common

[@MikaHusk]

as someone that's gone 400kc dry at bandos without a bowfa I get it. fuck efficient routes. Do what you want in the game. Buuuut also gimme my fucking tassys

[@DaemonRayge]

When it comes to dryness or pity I feel like that should be fine for certain untradable items required for progression. Guaranteed pity drop on KC 50 for Vorkath Head I think is fine (Think similar could be applied to Ancient Sceptre). The pity drop from Hunter Rumors I think is also fine. Anything past that I think is unnecessary.

[@Rjm00]

Dt2 bosses have dryness protection and it’s widely disliked mechanic no one likes being in the 2/3 prison

[@Outcxst.]

Only applies to rings tho. I have like 15 ingots and 0 siren staffs in almost 2500 kc. 5x dry almost and it's the only reason I am grinding it, I've had every other axe piece for over a year now and can't complete it without it lmao. It single handedly has put me back at afking max stats so many times because id rather go watch youtube with my free time than waste my time for hours and hours and hours. Only to get a chromium ingot that is completely useless for my main.

[@urm9m703]

Dt2 dryness protection is only bad because it significantly reduces the chance to get lucky, the rest of it is just people getting in their own head over imaginary "2/3" e: and obviously the ingots did the complete opposite of dryness protection

[@joey2934]

I went 2200 levi kc for 1 ring and I kept going because I surely must be close now lmao

[@guitargod3545]

​@@urm9m703they could just release massively rare items that have extremely high thresholds for forgiveness. Giving you plenty of time to get a "lucky" drop early and also plenty of time to grind out to the threshold where maybe the drop rate goes from 1/20000 to 3/20000

[@MitsuoRLCoach]

Think you can’t speak for the entirety of the population but that can be your own opinion

[@colinmarshall6634]

I'm in favor of eliminating or at least greatly reducing the extremes on both ends. Drops should be guaranteed somewhere around the 5x rate mark (99% chance of receiving the drop naturally). To balance that, reduce the liklihood of getting something under 25kc. Also you can say bowfa isn't required, but it kind of is if you ever want purples in a team raid. We badly need an alternative that isn't in cg and also isn't quite as good, but also won't have people going 100+ raids without a purple.

[@jimmyracecar7]

Have you not been keeping up with the game? We've been getting just that...sunlight hunter cb, atlatl, and scorched bow. and then you still have crystal bow + armor if you go dry at cg.

[@colinmarshall6634]

@@jimmyracecar7 those are all significantly worse for raids

[@jimmyracecar7]

@@colinmarshall6634 yes they're worse. Thats the point. Dont want to grind cg? Then you take the hit and manage without. Crystal bow + armor is just fine to grind raids if you cant handle anymore cg. or scorched bow if you want to completely skip cg and go get masori instead.

[@PeaceTea]

this is iffy. shouldnt be with everything.

[@draven4293]

excellent opinions

[@marxAlejandro]

1600 sire kc is a lot but nothing compared to those people who post their 5k-20k kill drystreaks on reddit. shit is depressing to see when you Calc the hours some of these people lose going dry. Also really appreciate Sae mentioning HOW MUCH CONTENT is in the game already. Thousands of hours can be spent maxing, doing all CAs, clogging, pets etc. Not that everyone NEEDS to complete all the content, game is grind yes I know, but it feels horrible being stuck at a goal for months when there's so much more I wanna get to experience/grind out

[@Riejinn]

That's wild imagine being parent of 4 and working 85-100hrs/week I don't have time to grind like that got 480 ch kc with ONE Armour seed 1135 meds done 2 pair of climbing boots and 1 wizzy

[@daniellaw1990]

Another delusional mod with a bad take

[@GoodMrFe]

Whatever the 'best' solution to this dilemma is I'm pretty sure it's safe to say it's not going to be thought up after one night. Prob more along the lines of fine tuning everything in the game so there's just more options for 1 item so you can choose if you want to go for the more rare option or the one that drops more commonly. Both items should fill the same role but obv the more rare would be more effective. I feel Huskys thinking is pretty logical where if you impose these restrictions upon yourself you gotta understand you will do things less efficiently. that's what ironman kinda is. Edit. I also wanna add that the OSRS team has been doing amazing job in this aspect by adding stuff like zombie axe/the new pre trident. Kudos to them. It's no wonder OSRS is booming and feels good to play when there's good devs behind ideas and they actually play the game too

[@kpgames7288]

Literally have done 1200 Zalcano KC, never seen the crystal tool seed 😂

[@TheDarkness169]

I've never understood the mentality in osrs of "the drop rate is what makes content fun". Who in the right state of mind that isn't a mentally deranged lunatic thinks that going upwards of 10x dry on activities that take upwards of 1 hour to complete for a single roll is "fun". I understand that the game shouldn't be catered to the ironman mindset of "single player mmo", but there are plenty of untradeable grinds that are god awful to go omega dry on for activities that people may not find enjoyable, and effectively gatekeep other avenues of gameplay.

[@mattm4904]

Can you name one piece of content that takes one hour per roll ??

[@TheDarkness169]

@@mattm4904 fight caves, inferno, solo cox if you're not really "good" at it, toa. There's a reason I used the term "upwards" when describing the time sink.

[@ryanstudham640]

I have two thesises on this. I got rigour 1kc and I hate random drops. I want to engage with the game. I don't want to skip part of the game because I got a drop. That's like if getting a skilling pet gave you 99 in the skill instantly. It's just like "OK, thought I was gonna have fun doing this, guess I won't." I would alch it, but I have no guarantee that I'm not going to go dry on the next thing *and* progression is too slow for my personal taste, so I'm going to take every opportunity to speed it up that I can. The joy I get in this game is saying "I need this to do this to do this", like "I need firemaking to do Desert Treasure to do slayer". This means I get to engage with a variety of game systems. Getting spooned means I don't, I go "I need slayer levels to get DHL to do cox to-wait I did one kc with the clannies and now I have a dex, fuck me I guess I don't need a DHL before inferno". All the work I put into planning my route meant nothing. I don't do one-off activities with my clanmates anymore because of that experience: what if I get spooned on a tbow next time and I have no reason to get the DHL at all? Second, suppose playing an iron on a good day gets me 100% enjoyment. If I'm going 2k dry on bowfa, I'm getting 10% enjoyment: at least I can work on runecraft, agility, smithing, farming, etc. If I'm playing a main, I'm getting 0% enjoyment. The way to make progress on a main is to make unfinished potions until youve funded your quest cape, do vorkath, do Nex, then megascale cox. On an iron, I go dry and I go "To do anything else would be a waste of time, so I'm going to just do more of this, I guess." On a main, I go "To do anything else would be a waste of time" *until I unlock a better moneymaker*. If I were a main I would not be a clogger, I would be *doing vorkath*. I think it makes sense in some places to allow players to go dry. I think that you need to first examine the design of the game and decide if the bowfa *really* is optional. Second, you need to do the math on how many people get to that part of the game and look yourself in the mirror when you say "I am okay with making one thousand random players grind this content for 500 hours without getting closer to their goal." Earlygame content like Huey and Moons is popular to players not because there isn't enough earlygame content, but because players *don't want* to enter the midgame because they don't want to go dry on bowfa.

[@wacksparrow88]

Ya I can’t do those bosses. Would take a while if not ever

[@fighterthefoo194]

Can we get a 'Like' counter for MOD Husky if he ever comes back, I mean JFC.....

[@att6att]

he brings me runeshark vibes

[@Blitzcomin]

they need to keep the drop rates but put in a 1 time guarented drop at 3x the drop rate. only works for items you have not gotten yet before 3x.

[@Martin678]

Make quartz guaranteed.

[@nicholashoward5239]

i deironed a maxed iron after 1500 dry for a t bow. This is the most useful upgrade and i've already spend nearly 1000 hours for it alone to not get it.

[@Vetionarian]

While I cringe at the words "deironed a maxed iron" .... I get it. I'm still missing quite a few bis items and instead of me burning out and de-ironing I moved on to new grinds and keep it fresh. I'm going for all pvm pets in the game and so far I'm up to 26 boss pets and it's fun constantly cycling pvm. Even when I don't have bis all.

[@nicholashoward5239]

@@Vetionarian I have a 2050 total hcim now and I've made like 6 irons because I like early/mid game. I couldn't get myself to do another cox or tbowless nex. It made me just bank stand because it ruined my motivation for years.

[@jakefarnam288]

I don’t want to see people complain that they’ve been “Stuck” on a piece of content for 9 months and can’t move on. Unless your a top level iron who is grinding there last mega rare on a maxed account. There’s always other things you can do in this game including DOING OTHER CONTENT EVEN THOUGH ITS NOT VERY EFFICIENT WITHOUT THE DROP YOU’RE TRYING TO GET.

[@soft2hard]

With the megascale environment we'rein, I 100% feel CoX rates need to be revisited. Although solo cox is nowhere near as prestigious as it used to be, the rate of a purple needs to be significantly increased

[@tripplelunch]

Kinda sucks ass when you get 2 drystreaks in a row at Cox. And have 0 fun for 150hrs. Had 2 Drops in 330 solos after i got Like 12 in the Same before.

[@Austinpowas]

If I never get my enhanced on the Uim, I am ok with that. I play exclusively on my iPad, and I was lucky enough to receive the hunlef pet at just 355 regular kc. No complaints

[@senken12]

One camp of ironman players secretly just want a no-pvp official bronzeman

[@julianrogers8608]

I hope they let irons de iron to bronzeman if they add it then they can all stop crying about droprates

[@senken12]

@@julianrogers8608 it won't stop them crying

[@ChazFoulstone]

Runescape is built around the fact that if you want an item, you have to kill something for it, and you could get it on rate, on 1kc, or 10,000kc. It's entirely random. Everyone who is moaning "you shouldn't be able to get to 10x rate without an item", should also agree "you should NEVER get an item under the drop rate" You can't have protection from bad luck if you aren't willing to give up avoidance of good luck. You're aksing for runescape to become an entirely different game because you are simply not commited.

[@aa-ye7jy]

We can easily implement a system that allows for 99.5% of the full randomness while preventing people from going 6x rate. Jagex could implement the most popular suggested dry protection without telling us, and the community wouldn't notice for a year+. So saying it would be an entirely different game is a hyperbole.

[@BALTDGuitar]

I just got false banned for botting while farming wave 1 colosseum on mobile of all things don't know what to do😢 don't want to lose the hundreds of hours when I'm not even botting

[@LieV2]

Husky gets it wrong with the "well dont play iron" take. There are obvious flaw that come about when playing an iron where content isn't designed well for a gameplay loop. i.e the upkeep of dragon arrows being basically impossible.

[@Eleventness]

Lmao what are you talking about. Make amethyst arrows then. If you want to upkeep dragon arrows don’t play iron or be wise where you use them.

[@julianrogers8608]

​@@Eleventnessor jagex needs to actually make a way we can acquire them more no ones asking for free arrows let us craft them somehow ur just too dumb to understand 😂

[@cattocsgo]

I did 1900 duke kills for my last axe piece and got 3 vestiges in that time. I'm also 1600 solo cox in with 1 mega rare (kodai). RNG is like that, some will be lucky, some will not, its how odds work. If you can't handle that, this game or these grinds just aren't for you, sorry. This game is "endless goals" its one of the most notorious gaming grinds ever. As Husky says if you just give the drop after a certain dryness it ruins the "mega rare" aspect of the drop, which is entirely true. Really enjoyed these segments with husky and Arcane discussing drop rates.

[@prestigek1ngs]

I have a minor kinda obscure suggestion, but since they balance things around rigour and augury (now that its buffed), I find it ridiculous you have to get them from a raid. Those prayers should be a difficult quest reward but a guaranteed reward none the less. It makes almost no sense having those as a raid drop. Especially because if you follow a flow chart you'd be getting dex very late on an iron account. Only "drop" that I will complain about until the change it. But a friend who just started playing mentioned that to me and he's right, it makes no sense.

[@hellowill]

Easyscape private servers started back in 2015. Just add whatever at this point lmao.

[@michaelf184]

Yep, this whining community is trying to change this game so much. Devs walk on egg shells over everything now. Private servers are coming from Jagex themselves. This is a rare game where the community has a heavy say in what happens. They are taking advantage of this now. The community. Watch polling ends soon.

[@MrRsErik]

as rank 1 chambers for all GIM blue helms i can say that i did not get a bofa and it took me 1700 cox to get a tbow so i agree with mod husky

[@evghb]

Ironman mode is being forced to make do with what you can. Fuck dryness protection in its face. The point of an ironman is flexxing the super rare drops that everyone knows immediately the drop rates for. Imagine if they implemented dryness protection and now you have to ask someone what KC they got a mega rare and put it into a calculator to see what their individual drop rate is. FUCK THAT. It ruins the spirit of an MMO and everyone being able to immediately understand an achievement because we understand precisely what it took to get.

[@friendlygiant1507]

Yeah well, some people have jobs (not you, even if you pretend you're rich) and don't care what other 500kg losers think of them and want the drop to enjoy the game without having to grind 2 years for it. Grow up man, your "osrs Achievements" aren't achievements. Its you wasting your time and life.

[@MattL-sj6vu]

What if it's designed where if a drop is 1/5000, and you go dry all the way, but after that it lowers by 1 every 5 additional kc. So on your 5005'th kill, the drop rate is 1/4999, on 5010'th kill drop rate is 1/4998 etc. Just throwing that out there as a hypothetical.

[@keris3920]

Just use a different distribution with a smaller tail. What you're suggesting requires a history of the drop table to be stored for each monster. Additionally, it would mean that by increasing the probability of drop A, you'd be decreasing the probability of drop B. You're talking about pumping a lot of code where something other than poisson would probably suffice.

[@brentmabey3181]

​@@keris3920 technically speaking, it's a geometric distribution, not poisson. But the issue with having a long right tail remains the same

[@keris3920]

​@@brentmabey3181 fair point on the distribution, I admittedly confuse them sometimes. Appreciate the correction there. I guess I'm in the camp of people that don't think drops should be guaranteed. I think I'd just select a distribution that has less of a tail.

[@ryanstudham640]

"If you're dry on the bowfa, kill some shamans for a bit" WITH WHAT RANGED WEAPON HUSKY??? DRAGON KNIVES?!?

[@Kyle-hv8ed]

can easily do it with a rcb

[@MrRsErik]

msb i and range pot brother

[@jaymes8132]

I'm okay with leaving drop rates the same, but have duplicate protection for uniques like with Perilous Moons. For example, I got 4 Dragon Axes and 4 Warrior Rings before landing 1 Berserker. That's just flat out bs.

[@geoffreyyezersky1476]

this video was super cringe! disliked for mod husky's awful opinions

[@Djenx-]

thinking your account is bugged when going extremely dry is so real XD

[@Kieva_Storm]

I'm very cloae to quitting the game because of lack of progress on my iron. Shit was fun for a while, but I have been stuck in "I need to get these drops to progress" for about a year, and that gets really fucking old, really fast. I think there should be dry protection. Because I'm 34, have a life beyond this game, and nobody gives a Fuck if i pull up past thr GE for some reason with my GIM in my full bandos and holding a fang. Point is aside from certain pets, nobody really gets WOW'ed seeing someone in top tier gear. Or envious anymore, its a Natural culture shift. But really, people either see a lucky spoon, or where they think they'll be if they no life like people who play the game 50 to 60 hours a week. So yeah, there needs to be something to keep people like me. I'd do it like this... so every drop has a rate established by the mods, and the game know how many of everything that you've killed, or it's capable of it anyway. So it could easily keep a running count of how long you've gone without getting a "rare drop". And they could come up with an equation that essentially gives each kill of a monster or boss "weight", and when that weight builds to a tipping point, your odds to receive a rare drop go up slightly. When you receive a rare at a boss, the counter resets. E.g, my case is this: I have 1 Zenny in 600 demonic gorillas, so I'm dry there. But Ive also got no drops at CoX or ToA in about 120kc of each, not usually leading points getter, but I average a 5% chance. Each one of those should count internally towards helping me see some progress. So maybe my drop rate at Demonics should take a slight dip for a Zenyte to like 1/250 instead. Or maybe I go to CG and get a reduced rate at an enhanced. Or maybe I go to Bandos with the GIM team and pull my 5th Bandos boots drop and it resets. You can't game a system like this, cuz if you try go build up weight at something easy. You might just get a drop you already had.

[@bram111]

runescape becomes way too easy, sometimes you get spooned sometimes you get dry. part of the game

[@alanmoulet1362]

Yuu giys talking about ezscape is so wrong and delusional

[@raakapena]

just slap pseudorandom on big items gg job done

[@uimgoogle3033]

I agree with this to an extent. There are some things in the game that definitely need some sort of dry protection. Take for example I know a UIM who is currently over 2k dry for any drop at Tormented demons at all. He hasn’t had a claw, and he hasn’t had a synapse. I received 2 in just under 1k. While no you don’t need a emberlite or a scorching bow or the staff to kill the tormented demons. It does greatly increase your kills per hour there having any of them because they do so much dps increase.