Model CALLS OUT Judge on ANTM! FINALLY - Photographer Reacts

Let's take a look at the greek olympian photoshoot from Cycle 17 of ANTM!
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[@kuroangel0630]

The biggest gaslighting method ANTM used was the styling. Then blamed the girls for everything wrong in a picture, and most of it was the styling.

[@ishwarilaughing6256]

Yup and it's total gaslighting for when a model calls them out for picking bad photos they pretend they don't do it 🤷

[@kuroangel0630]

@@ishwarilaughing6256 like Nigel told Lisa. "It's all in your head." That alone said how they gaslit the crap out of these girls.

[@KitCat898]

100%

[@azlanmodels]

They even eliminated Alexandria in cycle 16 for looking like a flight attendant in her photo, which was clearly stylist's fault.

[@ashleybuechler860]

And you know that if any of them came back with "Well, I was given this look to wear/those shoes to use/these accessories to promote. Maybe you should consult the person who chooses the outfits?" (EX. When it was brought up in the archery shoot that the dress looked like spandex. She could have just as easily been given a slit dress or a tabard-style dress and that would have fixed the issue.) The judges would have jumped down their throats chastising them for badmouthing the costumer the way they are.

[@taylorpatton8474]

"why would you come all the way to Greece and make it black and white or sepia?" YES!! That was my first thought! Like, the Mediterranean is FAMOUS for it's natural color and beauty, and then these girls are in shining, beautiful outfits and accessories and you make it beige monochrome??!?!?! That's some BS

[@calycalyps0]

And the paintings they used to do were very colorful too! At least from what i know

[@KitCat898]

🔍👀 Okay so after watching this show since I was 8, and rewatching them with your reaction videos, I have come to the conclusion that the “you don’t know yourself” death-sentence is something ANTM does when they have a girl who presents herself as a whole person; instead of leaning into a single attribute in a cartoonish fashion. The “I’m a pArtY girl” girl is easily branded- she’s a party girl! The “awkward girl” is ‘quirky’, the “girl next door” is ‘humble’ and ‘relatable’- the diva is a diva and so on. The girls who refuse to present one single attribute over and over for editors to manipulate into a personality narrative, are branded as “who are you?!” We don’t know you”- when in reality it’s “we are having a hard time boxing this perfectly adequate, beautiful model into a singular brand.”🕵🏻‍♀️ Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk

[@Rothiii]

And there it is.

[@FlabbyAbi]

Yes!

[@happysillygoofy]

They’re basically telling them “unrelated to your modeling ability, you aren’t making good tv for us so we’re kicking you off. This is your fault btw. Bye”

[@bluetheme]

Reminds me of divergent lol such a good point!

[@KitCat898]

@@bluetheme YES. They’re so mad that they’re divergent! Like bitc* we faction-less 😩

[@laurenhill5543]

“It’s kind of damaging to reiterate a narrative to someone that they are lost when they’re really not.” I come here for this gold.

[@haileyrodgers6607]

It's actually come out that Tyra would purposely pick bad photos for some of the girls on the show and I have no doubt that Lisa just was able to catch onto it, and the craziest part was that NIGEL is the one that came out about Tyra doing that!! I loved Lisa so much when she was on ANTM, props to her.

[@Catsandcamera]

@@thoughtsofadame1952 on the flip side, he was a judge and a photographer, so surely - even if he somehow didn't know anything about production - he would have noticed that the photos chosen weren't always the best he took

[@Kat-yv1yq]

@@Catsandcamera contract obligations at the time might have prevented him from saying anything. The irritating thing is that we’ll probably never know exactly what went down.

[@batmanrobin2011]

Lisa is definitely a smart cookie and she seems really well at reading situations she hit the nail right on the head

[@chrissymeri4957]

Lisa? The alcoholic crazy woman! Omg. Anyone but her.

[@jaakpotts]

Lisa is the GOAT, no doubt.

[@helenpreis3137]

I was on Finland’s NTM way back in 2011 and we had Nigel as a guest photographer/judge. He shot our fade out shots. Myself and another girl tied on best photo and we won a workshop with Nigel. He was fun to meet and learn from, but the whole concept of the cycle gets scripted when the producers meet you at the first casting. They assign a character to you as soon as they decide to cast you. They ask you provocative questions and edit it to be the character they assigned. When they want drama from you, they will pick a shitty picture. I ended up being first runner up but also the mean girl. I lost against a girl who had everything - height, body, face, but poor posing skills. They got so pissed with me when I said I think it’s not a competition - the girl who won pretty much had the photographers physically positioning her into poses they wanted her in. It was a fun experience but def just aiming to be great TV. I was a very disliked character and it didn’t really give me much advantage… until I filed for a US visa. That’s when 2 months of being on National TV really helped. So thanks, Fremantle Media ;)

[@SaraStar7373]

this is so fascinating…. i remember on an australian show there was a couple who were framed as the nasty ones, and they ended up with serious mental health issues after it was airing because everyone in real life started treating them poorly, despite them being lovely outside of the show. editing is everything 😬

[@xevenxmusic]

@@SaraStar7373 sorry commenting off my other Channel. I had people harassing me on Facebook (no insta back then), some girl threatened to punch me if she ever saw me irl. There was some public harassment as well, teens pointing fingers/shouting profanities at me..lots of tabloid crap about me, got cancelled to do a magazine cover because of my “reputation”. Did my mental health suffer? Sure it was difficult. But I grew a thick skin, many others probably wouldn’t manage. So yeah, I think these production companies can definitely be more responsible with how they portray people and what kind of consequences that portrayal may bring.

[@xevissimo]

So sad to read it. I'm from Chile, so it's the first time I hear about the show. Your pictures are amaaaazing though.

[@johanna9729]

Helen - it’s very wrong what they did to you! I think it’s great that you have such a strong head on you and the fact you’re even thankful for the media team being able to go to the US and have some fame is great. But that really can mentally hurt you an offer really the sheer fact of reality TV Edit: but that could have really mentally ruined you all for the ratings of reality tv and toxic judges.

[@johanna9729]

@@SaraStar7373 so many reality stars kill themselves bc of this reason.

[@Ganychan]

Lmao " I'm not seeing discus, I just see you spinning with a handbag." Yes. That is literally what is happening.

[@isras6702]

😂😅🤣

[@susandavey2361]

Why didn't they give her a discuss? One had a javelin, one a now and arrow, gave her a handbag 🤣pretty sure they didn't have handbag throwing in the Olympic games 🤔

[@h_drucky9728]

I literally LOVED this show when I was a young girl and I just know it caused 80-90% of my insecurities. I distinctly remember thinking things like, “Why can’t I smile with my eyes?” “That girl is gorgeous but they think she’s ugly, wow I must be so ugly.” “I look like that girl and they say she’s too fat, even though you can see her ribs, I must be plus sized.” This show is so toxic and gross.

[@nini_nunez]

Me too! When I was little, I thought I’d try some modeling, and then I saw this show and immediately gave that up lol. Tyra & the judges were cruel for what they did to the models and the young viewers altogether 😢

[@VegemiteQueen1]

I feel like it goes even deeper than that. If you weren't willing to expose your trauma to the public, you were punished for it. So many boundaries were broken and this was classed as 'normal'. For people who already have boundary difficulties for whatever reason, it's super toxic to be given the message that to be 'liked' you have to break them down for whoever.

[@angel_with_ahalo786]

Same and now looking at this i no longer want to be a model

[@226melissa]

yeah! I'm also as tall as a model so as a teenager I started to compare my weight and my looks to the models, and taking all the negative feedback and appliyng it to myself thinking "i should be like that to be good enough". It was pretty terrible and definitely affected my self image for a long time

[@patsysadowski1546]

I watched it growing up and although it always seemed problematic, the girls always seemed reassuringly normal outside of photo shoots. Being a model is a hard and it is often a cruel business. It’s not something I’d want for my daughters. No matter how beautiful.

[@vinnie906]

I love that Lisa put Nigel in a corner there instead of being pushed in the corner herself. Cause, if they did pick a bad photo for her in that jumping shoot, they would be basically telling the viewers that she was right.

[@captainmulligan5748]

Lisa knew the game since day 1. She has been very open about that in her interviews. They found scripts, elimination standings and they knew by the plane tickets they received.

[@puddles609]

Explain the plane tickets

[@labonihira]

I really hate the fact that they judge one picture, that is actually chosen by them! Like how is that fair? If the models were allowed to choose their best shot, then it would make more sense, but if it's really about modelling, they would always show 3-4 pictures. That way you truly get the full picture of how they actually modelled

[@chrissymeri4957]

I think it's because most people in the modeling industry do this too. I mean they get one shot. Literally. And that one best shot goes into the magazine.

[@labonihira]

@@chrissymeri4957 true but they are not being "mentored" or "judged" with those pictures. the point of ANTM is to create a modelling portfolio, so getting access to only one picture, that isn't even your own pick just sucks.

[@kaylalezabeth7175]

@@labonihira this is going to sound so random, but I LOVE your name! It is SOOOOOO cute!

[@labonihira]

@@kaylalezabeth7175 thank you ❤

[@restinwalken]

@@chrissymeri4957 yeah they only get one shot. But most all models pick their portfolio pictures. So the model knows and agrees that is yes the best shot out of all shots. You can tell from the video evidence from the show. The judges ripe apart a model on her pic. Going "you didn't give good possess" you have a terrible pic" yad yada etc etc. There was 100% a better picture snapped in their photo session. An the judges pic the one they want. Many times specifically so the can degrade and tell the contestant sorry model that she sucks at whatever. When no they(the judges) picked the models worst photo, not her best.

[@theredemu]

I used to watch this show when I was younger and legit thought this was actually how the modeling industry was. Seeing your reactions and seeing the clips now... I hope all these women learned that they were in a horrible narcissist's make believe beauty pageant. I mean Tyra might treat her actual Barbie dolls kinder than she did these models. I can't even imagine how much this would mess with a young woman's self esteem to hear the the things they said and go through these experiences. Tyra is apparently the host for dancing with the stars now too. That's a no from me dog. Cannot support that woman.

[@little_night0wl]

She's not a judge on DWTS just replaced Tom Bergeron as the host. But agreed, I stopped watching when she joined. Can't stand her personality.

[@theredemu]

@@little_night0wl oops, yes that's what I meant! Honestly only flipped the channel, saw her in a hideous over the top dress thing, and turned the channel. Thanks for clarifying.

[@searchingfororion]

Remember when she tried to be the next Oprah by launching her "Tyra" talk show? Several of the guests were previous contestants from "famous" episodes (that I think the poor things thought they were actually going to get to talk about how/where/what they were doing "now" post ANTM - but in reality it was just to put them back through the lowest point they'd had and re-live it on national television). One of the most telling regarding how little concern she had for the emotional/psychological well-being of others were her "undercover" episodes where she'd have non ANTM models do things (groundbreaking and insightful 🙄😑) like "Fat for a day".

[@katec9893]

'A horrible narcissist's make believe beauty pageant' is a PERFECT description of this show, well said.

[@sarahc.839]

Yeah, I loved the show as a kid, but re-watching these makes me see how awfully they were treated-and how much I dislikee Tyra. I've watched DWTS for years-I couldn't make it one season w/Tyra-she makes it all about her, and she's a bad host too-not natural at all-very stilted and boring, with irrelevant questions. Just not it!

[@ariannasantina]

if the panel didnt want her to jump and is complaining that she's jumping too much why tf do they give her the HURDLES for her shoot lmao.

[@ErnaMuslic]

There were 5 girls left, they probably wanted to send her home the same way they did Season 5.

[@krystal7710]

Exactly what i was going to say

[@rylie4783]

The way that after Nigel explains the difficult conditions of the shoot the other judge puts him in his place and basically shames him for trying to defend the model 😳 Even the people positioned at the top in the culture they’ve built into this show are punished for straying from the status quo that further perpetuates the dynamic (of judges and especially Tyra at the top, models at the bottom). It’s actually disturbing to see it in action.

[@ineedfriendspodcast3623]

I love how Lisa cut off Nigel with "want me to get back up there?" before he could get into his ittle lecture 😂

[@Partycitybaex]

Lmao 💀

[@alyssalane3442]

Me too! Like cutting off a colleague who is ranting hahaha

[@kaimurimagu5804]

I saw that too! Like nah!! I don't need to hear 5 minutes of your lies

[@missdaydreamss]

Yesss hunny! She was ready 😂

[@scoutlaceharding]

I watched this show when I was in high school and enjoyed it. Looking back on it now is pretty horrifying. So much gaslighting, manipulation, and tearing these women down. I remember girls getting terribly sick and the judges being like, "This is a tough industry." If your industry values the health and wellbeing of people so little, you should be working to change that industry, not training young women/setting an example to your viewers that they should suck it up and take it.

[@essosen6354]

And that's what they showed 😔

[@happysillygoofy]

Horrifying psychological games asides, I’m really disappointed they went with sepia. The colors in the actual setting and the clothes/makeup were so good and taking that away made the shots so much worse. Who let this happen. Was it Tyra

[@6thgraderfriends]

Whenever Tyra takes pictures it's in black and white or sepia so it could have been her. It has it's place but Ancient Greek isn't it.

[@horselover40]

Your lack ponctuation after Tyras name somehow makes this comment better haha.

[@MelanieJacque]

Can we make it back into color? Please! I was so disappointed with the sepia as well :(

[@6thgraderfriends]

@@MelanieJacque There are special editing softwares that do it, but I really don't know anything about it or how long it takes.

[@iKETOURAGE]

Whew glad this was ages ago because I was like "😳" at the sephia

[@patriciasingh5118]

Lisa also spoke out about how they tried to force her to talk about her childhood trauma on the Tyra Banks show even though she told them MULTIPLE times she didn’t want to talk about that, and if they didn’t want to talk about the modelling she didn’t want to go on the show anyway. They told her that Tyra agreed they wouldn’t talk about the trauma, so she decided to go. As she was getting ready to go out she hears the intro saying something along the lines of “you know Lisa from ANTM, but what you don’t know is that she was sexually abused when she was younger” and something about she was gonna talk about it, and then the backstage people literally SHOVED her onstage. Justifiably, she went into a rage. But yeah you can listen to her explain the story much clearer on TikTok.

[@SaBaby93]

She said they locked her in the closet.. smh

[@SH4NN]

Conspiracy theory: Since Nigel was the photographer he saw all of Domonique's photos and knew Tyra didn't actually pick her best shot. He tried to stick up for her but couldn't just come right out and say Tyra picked the wrong photo.

[@JessicaKobeissi]

Ohhhhh interesting theory!!!!!!

[@MrCheesecake1928]

@@JessicaKobeissi Jessica can you please react to Asias Next top Model or Supermodelme? They speak English so you could understand and the photoshoot concepts are AMAZING!

[@blixthynub974]

@@MrCheesecake1928 VERY THATTT

[@meizumi]

@@MrCheesecake1928 yessss pls

[@MadisonFalcoFoods]

I agree

[@blcawood]

Nigel’s response was TEXTBOOK gaslighting. He literally said it was all in Lisa’s head and called her absurd. So toxic and manipulative.

[@Ganychan]

The judges: Stop jumping, Lisa. Also the judges: We gave you hurdles. They just set them up to fail and for drama.

[@jennymedrano5104]

Oh yeah, they did the same thing to Nicole in cycle 13.

[@jasmineyetman9276]

“You’re going to hav to jump as high as you can”

[@scarlettlareine]

Thank you for exposing ANTM. This show and the judges are so toxic and manipulative. What an awful show to grow up with as a young girl.

[@sashabrat097]

Agree

[@esmeraldasanchez1353]

Did you notice how Andre was kinda shady to Nigel? Like "I've never heard of a photographer making excuses for a model", I felt a vibe of "shut up Nigel, we're supposed to give bad criticism to this one"

[@Ch3rryp3tals]

It’s also so gross the way he worded it as well as if models are underneath photographers

[@visualbeauty3427]

@@Ch3rryp3tals who Andre to Nigel? 🤔

[@visualbeauty3427]

Esmeralda Sánchez Andre is not alone too (being a shady) Paulina is defensive too, sometimes they are disagree about his critique you know, that's why i love Paulina & Ms. J Alexander too the tandem 💖

[@visualbeauty3427]

@@randomgingerart9546 I wish Andre was gonna punch direct him in front of the girls.

[@picklepirate]

Right, photographers are supposed to know what’s going on with the model- what challenges are distracting from the pose. Even calling it “excuses” is toxic lmao

[@xrystal89]

The more I go back and watch, the more I think the show was less about helping people make it and more about letting people know that modeling was NOT something they wanted to put up with. Most of Tyra's deep talks about modeling always had a negative bend to them. This show mostly highlighted how miserable modeling could be. every. single. season.

[@bt2598]

It’s so strange how we didn’t see it or register it or didn’t have the wherewithal to clock this toxic behavior.

[@SaBaby93]

Something is wrong with tyra

[@montrealderogatory]

As someone who used to throw shot put, let me tell you that it is really hard to make it look graceful. Javelin, gorgeous. Even discus is beautiful. Shot put is super scrunched up until the very last moment when you throw, and in order for it to look good, you actually have to be throwing, and know the forms to go through. Shot put has one of the most technical throws in fielding, there are a lot of steps to follow and it is very hard to make it flow without lots of practice.

[@rebeccajesse4604]

I was going to say! most sports are not beautiful due the sport themselves, it's shows just how amazing an athlete is when they make it look beautiful and effortless. Shot put especially would be hard to portray when you know so little about it.

[@KaiyaAquamarine]

Yes! Exactly! The shot put form is the hardest to master in my opinion. I did field events as a sport and got the javelin and discus down pretty well but was still struggling with shot put even after being in the sport for awhile.

[@Notion_Hoarder]

I remember being handed my shot put and told that if I didn’t learn how to hold, move, or throw it right I would destroy my entire arm. Also, they could have let her model the shuffle throw instead of the spin.

[@ivechang6720]

The minute they said Olympics my thinking went three things : nudity, shot put, and males only 🤦.

[@sarahortinau9993]

I was just going to say the same thing!

[@IsabellaVictoriaxx]

I love how you can see soooo clearly in Nigel's expression how he is SO trying to cover up 😂 I feel like the way Lisa looks at him is her seeing past it too. she knows what the deal is.

[@sashabrat097]

Agree

[@kiirakunn]

Jess did you consider recreating your favourite ANTM photos? Like, I get it you cant do 1:1 but you talk alot about wanting to copy their lightning and id love to see that + replicating photo lightning was set up for. Just a fun video /video series idea!

[@queenboudicca31]

Great idea!

[@highpeacetess]

I would love that!

[@CrescentNicMoon]

Oooo that's a great idea!!

[@beyondthehorizon99]

This would be an awesome video idea!

[@kthesehnsation]

I would love to see that!

[@dawnbuckner2369]

When I modeled years ago, I remember the photographers and designers were very pushy, narcissistic, and would choose photos that really didn’t completely work for the magazines, and compliment the other models and me. I actually watched two episodes of This show when it first aired, and was disappointed how much they were being rude to the models. These models are all beautiful and they kept putting the models down, to make the models feel bad about themselves, which brought memories of how I was treated. Now I am a mom, love being away from photos and that life. I will never push my child into modeling, or anything in that industry..

[@inspector4133]

I've always wondered about the photo selections for judging. How they always seem to come up with a poor photo, and then blame the model. As a wildlife/landscape photographer, I don't blame my subjects when I get a poor photo. Timing, equipment (and Luck!) as well as the photographer's skill account for most of the quality of a photo. Nigel needs to step up and take some credit for good photos and some blame for bad ones. If you can't take an awesome picture of a beautiful model, that's on you dude.

[@d.r.robinson9599]

FACTS...PURE STRAIGHT UP FACTS👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@visualbeauty3427]

It can be maninpupation 😬

[@juliecopelandbarrows2971]

They do this to eliminate contestants.

[@vanessalarkin1583]

I think the photographer chooses the picture they like the best

[@Kairos_Akuma]

Also. Blaming the Model for the styling. Like excuse me. If I get done by a stylist it's not my responsibility to tell them their job o.o.

[@kelseyp55]

They pretty much HAD to pick an actual good photo for her because she called them out. If they went ahead and picked a bad one it would have just proved her right about them. Also, the girl who did archery's photo was beautiful, but you know damn well that some the other poses and shots they got were better and they chose not to show it. Her lines and posing was incredible with the bow and arrow.

[@allylove1338]

it would have been really interesting to see what would have happen if the girls got to pick their own best shots. then if the judges dont like it its more on them for the shot they picked. they would have a reason to say "we've seen this shot before"

[@dysmissme7343]

Ooh that’d be such a small but powerful change

[@tigremalabarista3461]

Truthfully more Girls pick the better photos they have and it made Tyra upset.

[@VixyGirl]

There was an episode where they were doing a shoe centric photo shoot. They let the girls pick what they thought was their best photo and the judges or whoever picked what they thought was the models best photo

[@bionicbladderboo]

I agree! I liked how they let the girls pick their own shots in that other show called Model Latina

[@ebencipe]

Believe they did this in cycle 2 for the Steve Madden shoes. Wish they did this more

[@alyzu4755]

I love seeing Nigel get called out. Also, "I did the hurdles in high school". NOT IN 6 INCH HEELS! She's very smart. (And if her knee-to-toe were in a straight line, she could've really hurt her leg. She knew that. I'm guessing the judges knew that, but they had to call her out on something.)

[@maggiebeth5442]

Nigel actually tried to stick up for one of the models for a change and is immediately shot down by one of the other judges, he won't try that again!

[@hectorcruz-lefranc1795]

“Is it because it was back in the day? … they had color back in the day” great commentary. subscribed immediately

[@michellemondragon2400]

I was a professional model for many years and I fail to see how any of this has anything whatsoever to do with being a good model! It's all ridiculous and seems to me an excuse to find fault!

[@KaliqueClawthorne]

It doesn't even has to do anything with the topic. Like : ancient greek olympics My expectation would be either strong barely clothed women or actual sportswear but like ...thrown back in time. Even the hairstyles are really ancient greek. Nor the clothing

[@ltraina3353]

It seems like they start off disliking one or two girls in particular, then they all take great joy in being particularly harsh on them. But even just overall, it seems like they REALLY enjoy being super catty and mean with all of the girls; I know that modeling can be very harsh and expectations are high, but I’ve always been very skeptical of this show, bc it seems like it’s more an opportunity to be mean than to teach or help anyone break into modeling. I’ve never modeled so it’s nice to hear the opinion of someone who has. The worst thing I’ve seen them do is where they made the runway a treadmill and the girls found out last second they had to run in stilettos on this thing. It was so hard to watch, bc it was clearly so dangerous. They could have been seriously injured so easily. I’m sure they are made to sign waivers, but I really wonder how they can do that without any risk of potential lawsuits. Stilettos aren’t made to be running shoes, if a heel were to break, the model could permanently damage their wrist, shoulder or whatever, trying to break their fall; or worse, fall off the runway completely. Injuries that could potentially end their careers. And the people that set it up seemed SO gleeful as the girls were mostly nervous and awkward, like the point of it was simply to humiliate them or possibly hurt them. This all just makes me wonder how modeling affects a young woman, like they are being held up as ‘the perfect beauty’, but at the same time they can be so harshly criticized and held to such unrealistic standards. I’m glad your experience wasn’t like these girls’! Edit: I know it’s not meant to be realistic, but I would imagine Ancient Greek athletes would have more athletic bodies, and wouldn’t be super thin model types. I mean, I think the girls are beautiful in this shoot, but it would be perfect to use more athletic types for this type of thing. But I guess the industry is determined to promote body types that are un achievable to most women! Sorry for the rant!

[@madelainepetrin1430]

Totally, just a way to titillate the audience by humiliating beautiful girls.

[@OldskolFan]

It’s a show. It would be boring and unwatchable if it was just girls posing for pictures.

[@joycezale5433]

It's reality tv. It's trashy entertainment

[@annahenderson7397]

Finally seeing a well-thought-out, critical take on a show that I watched and internalised when I was *way* too young, and didn't have the mental capabilities to see the harmful 'lessons' it taught young people feels both heart-breaking and liberating. On the flip side, javelin and discus throwing were sports I learned in school PE from about age 13, so hearing them talked about like ancient, alien practices is incredibly entertaining. Thank you for these videos. ❤️

[@ariannasantina]

i wish for alisons 'discus' throw they gave her a more unique type of handbag like a rounded clutch/handbag with a little handle in a color that popped more or something would have been so rad... since its a DISCUS. i know they make round handbags- i HAVE one personally that is more round/oval and mine was only 80 bucks. these people have like a huge budget to get things that are more unique for their photo shoots and they go with a standard little black boxed-clutch to make her swing it around .

[@Gelime_]

Seriously! They set her up for failure with that bag, it was bulky and awkward.

[@marlyd]

The color wouldn't even have lathered since you can't see that in the pics

[@rozy.pink.delight]

true

[@HellsFurby]

That bag is absolutely sinful that they gave her like it’s probably couture but it looks like oh we found this at Salvation Army here just hold it. Now if they would’ve used the discus and a statement type of bag it would have gone so much better. Like they look like they truly just threw her together in a way. But omg he just called everyone awkward it’s so insane. Like Nigel you’re acting like Nigel Thornberry, you need to chill. And her final photo was just like nope. It looked very amateurish for a photographer of his “caliber” I guess you could say, wouldn’t do something better with the photos. Allison looked nice in the end photo but it’s just not “it” very muddied together in a way and almost everyone else’s looked better with the coloration and depth it’s like Nigel got halfway through and quit. and the shoe comment, y’all should have put her in some cute flats on that type of terrain. RIP Allison’s heel in the background - we all know it wasn’t her fault.

[@ariannasantina]

@@marlyd yea i wrote the comment while i was watching the video ... realized the color wouldnt make a diff. when i got to the end, (i get why they chose black for color if they were doing it in sepia it makes sense so they would get a better contrast ) but they still should have chosen a better shape and more of a statement peice. a round handbag would have rocked for a photo trying to emulate throwing a discus ;)

[@Mikeleongonzales]

Y'all.... Jessica is giving it to us straight up and with love. I absolutely love these rewatches 💜💜💜

[@giosanchez2714]

"I kinda rigged this-" "Wouldn't be the first time on the show..." THE READ!!! 😭😭😭

[@dagmarbubolz7999]

"She looks like Athena" dude, educate yourself, Artemis was the one with the bow.

[@BAMOORE94]

I honestly think if Lisa didn’t call them out on it, she would’ve been sent home for jumping again. Production had to switch it up and send Domonique (who didn’t really have a bad pic this cycle at all) home. She had one of my favorite pictures each week. I was heated she went home

[@franktomasreynoso1899]

I was too. The elimination was unfair. I fell that Angelea shoud’ve been eliminated. Her photo was the worst that week.

[@bellagizmo294]

What I think is funny, is they tell them to do crazy stuff like be 30 feet in the air, wear live insects, pose in sub freezing temperatures, walk in 9 inch heels on a moving runway with a gong swinging back and forth, pose with a bull, etc. and then be like "The entire judging panel is really disappointed that you seemed nervous and squinted your eyes. We don't think you want to be here."

[@simplyspice7916]

I think it would be awesome if some of the models from different seasons got together and put their own show on television about their experiences and kind of make it like a modeling competition but like how to do it the right way. I feel like there would be an audience for that. I would watch it, I grew up watching ANTM.

[@simplyspice7916]

Side note: if I were casting this hypothetical show, I would definitely tap: Danielle, CariDee, Jaslene, Allison, Lisa, Jeana....there are sooo many!!!🤪 but I think the format could be set up to where many OG's could come and be "mentors" or something and base it on their actual experience on the show when Tyra was running it. Sort of like, " this is what happened to me and since I've had this experience you can learn from it" type thing...idk just me thinking to much about hypothetical stuff🤷‍♀️🤭

[@tina9866]

I mean it's not exactly the thing you are looking for but Naomi Campbell did a modeling competition (and it was done right). There is a uk version which sadly has only 1 season (but is the better one in my opinion) and a us version which has more seasons. It's super cool to watch without the drama and without setting models up for failure. It's called The Face.

[@simplyspice7916]

@@tina9866 Oh cool, I've never heard of it.

[@simplyspice7916]

@@tina9866 I'm also just really interested in seeing the models from ANTM at present. Finding out what experiences that were like "behind-the-scenes" so that they may be able to shed some light on the industry and how to not completely give yourself over, (like TB used to say) and still be respected. I remember watching this show from the time I was 18 till I was about 24. I dreamed of auditioning. After awhile though, I began to see how obviously scripted and made-up the entire show was, not to mention how RACIST it was🤦‍♀️ I know it can be done way better, glad to hear 👑 Naomi Campbell👑 picked up the slack though👏👏

[@mimato]

I think these models should get together and do their own ANTM without intentionally screwing inspiring models.

[@sarahortinau9993]

Omg! Love Laura, such a great person, she helps with tutoring students, especially students with disabilities. She really pushed to help out school districts during the pandemic

[@MrBeetlejuice16]

I remember when I was young and dumb and thought that if a model needed direction she was a bad model, when seriously how is she supposed to see what she looks like, or control how she is styled or what props she is given? How can anyone go through life without some directions from their peers?

[@alien_from_andromeda]

tyra always pulls the “when you get good you can tell how you look when you pose” when a girl doesn’t pose the best and it’s such bullshit, like no matter how long you’ve modeled you don’t know how to pose with everything and in everything

[@alyssalane3442]

I really love that your commentary wasn't just negative (like some other YTers) but that you gave constructive feedback /advice regarding what you'd do differently (styling, posing) and what you liked about the final photos (lighting, composition, etc).

[@hilariouxtckz]

Angelea got a villain edit in cycle 14, yet she has always been loved by the fans up until these days. The executives of the show wronged her in both seasons, but she has regained her grace within a short period of time. True Winner.

[@djanime317]

At first it was Bianca, but once she got eliminated, it was Angelea that got the villain edit, they did that woman so bogus 😒😒😒🙄

[@helixmoore7636]

What the show did to her was hurtful. However she pulled through and is now successful. She's strong.

[@shoelacy7101]

I heard that she did win but was stripped of the winnings because they found out she used to be an "escort"

[@nomousecat]

@@shoelacy7101 Oh they knew from the very start of Cycle 14. They only used it to strip her of her winnings to stir up drama and TV ratings.

[@Zavial28]

They broke some amazing girls with that “You’re not memorable” BS. Hannah cycle 15 and Lauren cycle 11 come to mind, especially Hannah. Oh, and Mollie Sue and Katarzyna who had an amazing career after top model. All really amazing contestants and the list probably goes on.

[@SaBaby93]

I remember alllllll the girls from antm..sooo that's a lie..even the ones that didn't make it till the end

[@yorkiegrit]

​@@SaBaby93 Same!❤

[@sixlikesgore7503]

so.. why did they give one girl a literal javin, something you can easily see and relate to what it's supposed to be, and then hand another girl a purse like it's supposed to be a flying disk? they're doing this stuff on purpose.

[@dheu]

Exactly what I thought. Just provide them all with the actual sports equipment. Of course it looks awkward and weird for someone to try to portray discus with a purse, or shotput with a fragile shell!

[@YoungDymisty]

It's actually pronounced and spelled javelin. X

[@sixlikesgore7503]

@@YoungDymisty yeah, iphone isn’t as smart as it likes to be and auto corrects names i’m not trying to type sometimes 🤦🏻‍♀️ my bad

[@YoungDymisty]

@@sixlikesgore7503 aw no worries hun I thought it was because it was said in the video and that people just assumed that's how it's said. (I've seen it happen) lol hope you are well. 😊X

[@BambiLena666]

@@dheu I honestly wouldve just liked them to stick to a theme, not mix and match. Either give them all proper sports equipment (including hurdle) or use makeshift ''fashion'' props for all of them, not this weird half and half bull. I feel like if they went all out with ''fashion props'' it might be more fun, consistent and easier to recognize. it gives your brain a minute to go ooh the props are like sports equipment, instead of seeing a pics of a girl with a bow and arrow and then randomly a girl spinning with just a bag in her hand. If you didnt have it explained youd have no idea what the theme was.

[@MessagesFromAurora]

I appreciate this perspective from a model with nothing to gain from the outcome of the show. Really opened my eyes. Thank you.

[@fangirl394]

Don’t know if anyone’s already said this, but bit of context: in English high schools kids are taught Olympic game sports such as javelin, discus, shot put, long jump etc. (These are all also currently still in the olympics) so it makes a lot of sense that Nigel is familiar with them as he was probably trained in them as a child x

[@geenalouise398]

I was never taught any of these sports in high school 😅 (English)

[@nicnac1261]

I was going to say I’m from the uk and did both javelin and long jump at school but I’m in my thirties so maybe it’s changed now haha 😂

[@eleanorlyndon865]

Also English, and in my late 30s, we did these in PE. Not Archery, for obvious reasons, lol. Also they used a Compound Bow. They should have used a Recurve Bow, as it looks similar to the bows used back in the day, and is not as heavy as the Long Bow, which was more than likely used back in ancient times.

[@shamekasmith8209]

I was taught these in school (UK) too and I'm in my late 20s!

[@lindalangart]

I remember shot put being a really awkward thing to learn, I couldn't use my body the way I was supposed to, couldn't figure out the energy placement. Angelea really did get the worst out of the lot, for a decent pose.

[@Evelina_412]

It looked to me like Dominique had a great photoshoot this episode, she provided lots of cool poses and overall did a really good job, but the producers decided to eliminate her, so they gave her the "who is she??" narrative, along with a bad photo. When Nigel saw the photo they picked on the panel, he tried to stand up for her, which, Andre was right, they never do. I think Nigel knew what was going on and tried to help her out, because bullshit that that was her best shot.

[@mortuaryghost5078]

You just knOW they would have sent her home for a jumping photo if she didn’t call it out like that. I’m just convinced they gave her hurdles as an excuse to get her in the bottom two but had to switch it up because they knew that it was going to look bad on them if they sent her home after making it very obvious that they do these things purposely 👀

[@leilangwabo2700]

I really appreciate Lisa because throughout the show she was deeply vilinized but I also love how outspoken and confident she was

[@MistySophie]

"I feel like she's Athena or somthing" Mr. Jay, please get your mythology facts correct. She's obviously Artemis 💁🏽‍♀️

[@x_A_B_x]

I was looking for this comment :D

[@742330]

🙌🙏

[@kariechaos5382]

I cringed. I was like "Nope. Wrong deity, mate. At least do your research."

[@starsigngirl9789]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@sorateal12]

lol!! I was thinking the exact same thing!!

[@onlyrevolutions2010]

I was following Allison before she appeared on ANTM, and her pre-existing fans knew what a creative, kind, smart, and talented person she was. That's why it was devastating to see what they did to her on the show both times. I sincerely believe they recruited her as a gag because of he Creepy-chan persona online and figured she'd be a novelty "character" who'd fail in the first couple of rounds. When they discovered that she had so much to offer, they didn't know what to do with her. Thankfully she had plenty of moments to shine on the show despite all that.

[@TrinaRayne]

Can you react to Cycle 3 Retouched/Un-retouched beauty shots? I think that was one of the most harsher photo shoots on ANTM history. The judges tore almost every girl confidence to shreds. lol

[@JessicaKobeissi]

What episode was that?!? I’ll take a look!!

[@reginithaig]

@@JessicaKobeissi I think is episode 3 (Nivea unretouched beauty shots)

[@isaaclim8645]

@@JessicaKobeissi they went in on Kelle saying her skin looks bad on the unretouched.. they were super mean that episode

[@katie-yk1es]

@@JessicaKobeissi omg yes. Janice was so mean to one of the girls who has a complete meltdown in a later episode looking at herself in the mirror. I truly didn’t understand the point of the photo shoot.

[@PHSDM104]

@@isaaclim8645 They were mean to Kelle all cycle!

[@gloriareyes6556]

DUDE, thank you for giving it straight!!! Really, thank you! Industry creeps go unchecked, your candidness is appreciated!!!!

[@Laramaria2]

"My sister can kill with a bow..." 🤣 The "personality" excuse for eliminating someone is one that I hate! I don't like Lisa, but I was 100% on her side when she called Nigel out! Well done!

[@benicio1967]

She Tells him she’s trying to be safe and his immediate response is “WHY?” Seriously!!!! After that idiot told her she needs to jump as high as she can she should have told him, ‘You first and wear the heels too!’

[@Miss_Suspicious]

I always love how they are like "We can't see who you are" like people looking at pictures of models sit there and go "Wow, I can't tell this person's personality in this picture. Disappointing."

[@bert1029]

Fr unless you’re a supermodel you’re showcasing a product not yourself

[@NAprincess324]

Exactly and some of these girls were young 18 etc they’re still finding themselves as well how do you expect them to have everything figured out and know exactly who they are at that age anyway?

[@lunargraph]

omg this made me so sad because Allison was one of the girls I was rooting for in her cycle. she was definitely set up with the rectangle handbag for a damn discus. the girls definitely went through hell on that show and I feel so bad for only realizing how much of a nightmare Tyra was on it. props to Lisa for standing up for herself for REAL.

[@rando42069]

Notice the difference in confidence levels when the contestants actually have experience of what they are modeling versus those who do not. It almost seems like modeling agencies would do well to choose from a pool of models for particular photoshoots not just based on looks but also on real life experience! What a concept. And damn, Lisa, way to advocate for yourself!

[@chesliemilam547]

When I was in middle/high school I would watch this show religiously and now that I’m 29 almost 30 years old I realize how toxic this show was and how mistreated some of those women were on the show. I just can’t believe it took me 10 years and people pointing out there’s toxic traits. It’s mind blowing to me. This show would never make it in todays society thankfully. ❤

[@AutumnHaunts]

Me too girl. I’m 29 now and have watched so many of these types of videos. I never realized how toxic this show was. I still struggle with an eating disorder to this day and I believe this show is partially to blame.

[@Lysis99]

Jay: She looks like Athena or Something Artemis : Am I a joke to you?!

[@Miochh]

I love how much they complimented Lisa after she called them out 😂 They want to seem as less suspicious as possible.

[@annahuff9262]

I would love to see the actual top models in the industry try and do these challenges. Tyra and the judges are always saying "this is how the real world works" and "when you're out on a job you can't do x" I would love to see how people whove worked and exceeded in these situations deal with her bullshit

[@essosen6354]

Wow, reading this comment just made me realize this is just like how school was for me. So many parallels.

[@missmike3693]

Tyra is fos. Models do not have to do all of this.

[@emileewest4441]

I've recently discovered your ANTM series and have been bingeing it 😂 your commentary just makes it for me

[@brookelynvandyke9991]

I think Nigel just did an interview and interviewer asked if they intentionally picked bad photos and he said absolutely. He said Tyra had the final say w everything and sometimes *he claims* that he would even be upset about some of the choices or that the photos he did pick weren’t the ones that were presented at the judging.

[@lauren4933]

Where is the video

[@DeeL3]

It doesn't surprise me, but at the same time it does. Y'all tell these girls to take it serious, but the judges don't even take it serious when selecting a photo!? Smh.

[@catgatherer7423]

@@lauren4933 I believe it is an interview here on YT with Oliver Twixt. I haven't actually seen it yet though.

[@skylarjaxx2399]

Which is probably why he was fired!

[@evereve1]

Well finally! After sooo many years! When I was watching the show, I used to guess & think that sometimes they picked bad photos and not the best as they claimed. It bothered me soo much when I was watching this show. I am glad that at least he's speaking up now...better later than never.

[@REDinitial]

Can we talk about how Allison was meant to portray a "fashion" olympic and Nigel was asking for a lot of movement from her while she is the most constrictive floor lenght dress?!

[@vanityplates3125]

When Allison said she was voted the one with the least potential, it wasn't the judges that said that. Either earlier in the episode or the on the previous episode, the models got together and "voted" as to who had the most potential and the least and tons of other junk. It was basically meant to break them down. I thought that was so effed up to do. Just not right.

[@thoughtsofadame1952]

yeah it was also super BS because to this day the is my favorite model. Her photos are look the way her face takes make up. They just said that to her to break her down. Also she did amazing on the music challenge, and she is a talented artist as well.

[@vanityplates3125]

@@thoughtsofadame1952 exactly!! And her song and video are so great. Too bad Tyra ruined it.

[@happysillygoofy]

@@vanityplates3125 seriously! She made a song that meant a lot to her emotionally and Tyra came in with the “pot ledom” (cringe) bs. The all stars season was a dumpster fire in so many ways but that moment especially was so frustrating

[@vanityplates3125]

@@happysillygoofy absolutely. And that song hit me hard bc it was about her dad, and I had just lost mine too, so I just felt that song. I would love her to redo it!!

[@DeeL3]

Omg yes, I remember that stupid pot ledom thing!! It was soooooo weird and annoying and Tyra had to insert herself and this guy (don't remember who it was but apparently it was some KZbin personality) into the video.

[@meaganbernard7592]

Lisa was always one of my favorite contestants next to Adrienne. They both kept it Soo real! I also loved jayel but sadly she lived a very rough life and passed away far too young. She was featured on Dr Phil and it was a major tear jerker.

[@ChristenSapnas]

Professional Gaslighting! Lisa nailed it - I wish I could see all of the footage and hear the production talk behind the scenes.

[@SincerestSawa]

Jessica Kobeissi, you made me laugh so hard when you said " he just did a whole photoshoot with her and is like "where is she , shes hidden i cant find her" its true this is so much more than just a modeling show they want america's top everything including baring their entire soul to the world, they might even want their souls

[@AMoniqueOcampo]

Lisa's hair is AWFUL in the commentary footage, but points to her for calling the judges out on their BS. Alison is adorable as always. If I remember correctly, she was actually a fan favorite cuz she already had a following from 4chan. She's very artistic.

[@sixlikesgore7503]

was that comment about lisa's hair really necessary? everyone has bad hair days - i know mine doesn't look top notch every day either, so.

[@momentarilysomeone]

Yes! Allison was Creepy Chan. Makes me feel old

[@emullinsstreams]

@@sixlikesgore7503 I think it's more a comment and the hair crew for the show not making her (or any of the models) actually look their best, which was likely by design.

[@hagathachristie]

i think this is the season where they chopped her hair off in the makeover, too, after she said she took years growing it out. correct me if i'm wrong!

[@sixlikesgore7503]

@@emullinsstreams i’m pretty sure they do their own interview outfits and styling; so once again, was it really necessary? i remember a girl, think her name was AJ, who had a pink or red hat she loved. the panel didn’t. yet she wore it for a lot of her interviews. pretty sure if anyone else had a say on their appearance, she wouldn’t have been allowed to wear the hat tyra specifically told her to throw away.

[@ladyzeebs8429]

As a photographer of over 30 years, you give me true hope for the future of the Art ♥️. You and I often say the same thing at the same time

[@EmpressChu]

I remember the controversy that Angelea won and they stripped her of her title because they found out that in the past she was an escort to get by. Like I’m not surprised but I’m also surprised.

[@michelledawn7446]

And the producers knew about it before production started.. and even if they didn't know, why would that disqualify her from a modeling competition?

[@LeavesofLilac]

That's horrid, I hadn't heard about that before 😔 This show was so terrible and unfair

[@Kayleigh27]

@@LeavesofLilac oh yeah, I remember they tried to say that it was because Angelea had "accidently leaked" that she had won before the season aired, but Angelea later came out on twitter(I think) to set the record straight that it was because of her past. She also sued Tyra for a few million---but I don't know if she won that lawsuit. Smh.

[@justine4652]

@@Kayleigh27 I know Angelea said she was writing a book about her experiences so maybe we will find out

[@rb7619]

@@Kayleigh27 Angelea is under NDA so she can’t talk about the lawsuit for a number of years. My guess is Tyra settled out of court for a large sum.

[@lazersneverdie3561]

“What do you think’s gonna happen? She’s gonna float??” LOL your sarcasm throughout this whole video is hilarious ♥️ youre so wonderful!

[@ccchantel]

“Whaaat? That’s absurd, that’s not how it WoRKs!!” Lol he sounds so guilty!! 😭

[@QueenCloveroftheice]

I got “Whaaaat? No!” from The Happening vibes lmao

[@JC-bi4tr]

✌️😂✌️

[@janissuggs1842]

She’s also active on tiktok and did a lot of storytimes of the behind the scenes of this show. They did paint her out to be crazy and a villain but im happy she’s doing well with her family!

[@Parisxoxxo]

Who?

[@amisharai8699]

The concept of models getting eliminated for something that the stylist, photographer or the creative director did or did not do is insane. Imagine being a model and having to do all 3 of their jobs. Won't be Top Model anymore.

[@icecol22]

I was a huge fan of ANTM. They had these beautiful models doing dangerous things for a picture??? That's horrible. I'm surprised that they didn't lose a model tragically. They were exploiting these young women.

[@noodlebanana7512]

Nigel was always the king of gaslighting everyone omfg 😭😭😭

[@FrozenRemix1]

I always loved Lisa!! She knew the game, she wasn’t afraid to let it be known that she knew the game, and she wasn’t afraid to call the necessary parties out. I also loved how Nigel was trying to Gaslight and make it seem like Lisa was paranoid 😏

[@ericasmith7440]

I love that you do these videos. As a teen it distorted my view of myself. I was asked to model in Milan more than once, I put myself down and thought I want good enough. Now I can't believe this show ran for so long. Not a Tyra fan. There's so much gaslighting and degrading going on. I can't imagine how much therapy the girls had to go through from all that mental abuse. Please keep calling out the show!!!!

[@publicserviceannouncement4777]

I find the way you talk about the models so positively very attractive (in a non-creepy way.) I don't know the correct technique name but I love the color in your hair. It warms up your face. Also, your skin/makeup is impeccable. I wish we were friends. You're kind.

[@syrisa]

I'm mainly confused why give some of girls the equipment for the spot, but some of the girls get an item instead of the actual equipment. Honestly if you're going for Olympics then use the equipment from the sports for all the models.

[@ClaireWritesSometimes]

When they say "her character is hidden" and the model clearly isn't being shy or nervous, I feel like what they mean is "she's being very professional and that doesn't make for tv drama".

[@maggiebeth5442]

It says a lot about Dominique's confidence that she's actually offended by being compared to Jennifer Lopez and Beyoncé - most people would take that as a compliment!

[@PHSDM104]

I see it not so much being offended, but moreso thinking the judges see her not shining as a unique individual.

[@maggiebeth5442]

@@PHSDM104 Yeah, I get that she wants to be recognised as an individual but I certainly wouldn't mind being compared to such influential women!

[@PHSDM104]

@@maggiebeth5442 It does, however, become frustrating if that's ALL they see. In modeling, you want to be the original and not the copy. Makes sense?

[@maggiebeth5442]

@@PHSDM104 It's a while since I watched her episodes so I don't actually recall her being compared to anyone else but I think I see what you're saying! She's frustrated by being compared to other people in general rather than being flattered by the calibre of the people she's being compared to? Am I understanding your interpretation correctly?

[@PHSDM104]

@@maggiebeth5442 Basically.

[@kittendream6564]

Nigel goes back to talk into a little headpiece to Tyra: The model has become sentient. I repeat, the model has become sentient.

[@lex3913]

It would be amazing to see you recreate your favorites from the show, as some others suggested, but I also think it'd be really cool to see you reimagine and "fix" your least favorite shoots and make them better!

[@horselover40]

I would watch that. Any day

[@giancarlogamboa7632]

Please do this!

[@jazzlamport849]

“Nigel’s out here like this is how they did it in the Olympics, 800 BC girl, I was there”. That’s hilarious you a very funny lady I love it 😂💜

[@cezarab5236]

I adore the way you comment these! Funny but also bringing in very valid points, defending the models and showing understanding of concepts normal people wouldn't have - like models being uncomfortable, not getting a say in styling, etc. Loved this! ANTM is toxic af and gastlightling is their thing.

[@nancygreen3705]

Lisa was always "that girl", from the gate! They didn't quite know how to corral her. I saw a video of her a couple years back where she let ANTM have it! Totally spoke her mind about them.

[@kendranv21]

Good timing! I can’t wait to watch SOMEONE get called out.

[@slimvixen2159]

When she said “don’t be suspicious” all I could picture and hear in my head was the judges of ANTM singing that “don’t be suspicious, don’t be suspicious” song 🤣

[@Mcoogie]

"What do you think is gonna happen, she's gonna float?" 😂😂😂 18:58 Omg, you kill me Jessica. Luv you!

[@bc2infinity]

the moment in the judging jessica pauses right at their pictures and critique’s before the judges speak to give positive feed back is just amazing it gives a whole different light to the show. she’s so cute

[@Sarah-re7cg]

“That’s not how this works” and “it’s all in your head” that’s textbook gaslighting

[@jennybower4738]

“Nigel is out here being the true Olympian” 😂😂😂❤️