Models: Where to get them and what, if anything, to pay.

[@fx451Jockey]

I mostly photograph dogs. They model for biscuits and a scratch behind the ear! I don't like being scratched behind the ear, but they insist upon it.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

😂

[@jer3006]

Just kinda walking backwards through some of your older stuff here - and coming up with amazing gems like this one. The experience from which you speak and the personal ethics you include keep you at the top of my list to follow, appreciate, and enjoy. Thank you!

[@a.flowers8737]

I love the way you transfer knowledge! Superb.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@artmaltman]

This is a fantastically helpful video! Funny how everyone is reviewing gear but never discusses such an essential issue for many photographers. Can you do a supplement, a part 2, where you mention dollar amounts or ranges? That is the one key issue that I kept hoping you would address. Thank you.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Costs vary depending on where you are in the world so I don’t find that to be too helpful as this is an international audience

[@NickVanHouse]

I got lucky when my boss bought a modeling agency. Now I get to shoot with the models whenever for test shoots or other things. It’s cool

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Well, that's nice!

[@alexanderpons9246]

My hat off to you Daniel Norton you give great advice! The topic of getting Models for Starting Photographers/Stylist & Make Artist its always a rocky road. In the past I tried going to a bigger Modeling Agency and request to meet with whomever is incharge of New Faces because those models are starting out and need mostly everything. But those bigger Agencies tend to be quite snobish about it so its challenging, however even if they give you their worst model to shoot at first if you turn amazing work on that model it may lead to them giving you the better ones. Thank you for loving what you do and share so much through your channel!

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Yes, it’s a process for sure!

[@SeanBogue]

Hey Daniel. So i started out watching your videos in the studio over the past couple of years. Very good. I have learned a lot. I watch these new vlog style videos. Its refreshing stuff! I am in one of those life career shifting situations, and its time. I have shot part time for a while, and even in the past year a lot less, because of another career path I do, or have done for the past years. Graphic Design, which i think its run its course. Photography for me something i have never aproached full time. I know its time, i have been turing down work for almost 2 years. I am ready to go further, working for yourself is the best kind of work. Thanks for another great video.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Great!

[@fotodestages8545]

I find models for my tests on Instagram 90% of the time these days. Some drawbacks (short-notice cancellations, sometimes difficult to judge models by their instas, generally clueless about image and usage rights) but also many great discoveries that led to very cool shootings. When I do video work (like the show of this channel), I pay models I have worked with before, whom I know to be reliable and professional. I haven't done client work at a level that requires an agency model yet.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Nice!

[@tonygorham]

I love your videos and especially love your honesty

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Thanks!

[@KCYT2010]

A good explanation of what seems to me is common sense. Keep a reasonable sense of yourself and your skill level, treat people fairly and just keep shooting. And paying people for their talents will get you a lot further than trying to get something for nothing. Very much a universal truth in a business of any kind.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

For sure

[@JimResnikoff]

Some great points there Daniel. Many would carry over to any business model. Sometimes I learn about photography, and then there are times I learn about the business. Whatever it is, I always learn something by listening to your channel and material.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@djsugarbear6079]

Great advice! I typically do TFP and pay experienced models; just because the professional makes the scene work vs a non pro. Thx man

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@LuisMcote5]

Thanks Dan. I discovered your channel recently and I find it super useful. Plus, you give off a super friendly vibe and are willing to share valuable information. Now I look forward to your videos. A hug and I wish you the best.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Thank You!

[@jonnyboy8000]

In the UK models rarely work on TFP basis ,plus paying means they turn up

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

True, money generally means they will show up lol - though again it comes down to levels of models etc.

[@jennygw1883]

I am in the UK and they most certainly do. Model mayhem or Purple Port, I prefer the latter. Create a spec and post up your offer, see what you get. Google me and DM and I'll help you out if I can.

[@jennygw1883]

Make it known that you WILL write a reference, especially if they don't show up - never happened to me.

[@richmcgin]

@@jennygw1883 lucky you I have had 2 new models contact me asking to shoot then not turn up both on pp a couple of others that have just stopped answering any messages, the simple solution is to pay them and they turn up every time.

[@jadenalexander4227]

Thank you for the advice. It’s so difficult finding models to shoot up here, far from NYC, in Port Chester.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Perhaps try a dance school?

[@DavidSimmonsDEVSart]

As someone that is never going to go pro, I do a mix of helping new models build their book, projects that models want to do for fun, and paid models when I just want to try out new ideas with no pressure of needing to have worth while shots for the model.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Good mix

[@itechflagstaff]

Thank you for this video. I am going to need models soon and your advice is perfect. 👍

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@W3flyh1gh2]

I know this is an old video. But found my first two models on CList. Then one of them had a friend and so on. I worked with them for a while and then back to the first one. Then I posted on Reddit to advertise in my area and someone commented and said if you need someone to shoot HMU I do need to shoot more. Like all the time but its hard to do when you work fulltime.

[@ijyoyo]

Great video and great points! Didn't think about the market book story

[@ryanshotison6152]

I usually shoot bands and club nights, with the occasional band location photo shoot. At the moment, when I want to test ideas or gear, I'm usually photographing other photographer friends and we take turns being the model to test lighting techniques and try different looks. It's fun learning with someone who knows a bit about the subject and can compare ideas with.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

True!

[@WHITELIONNYC]

Ryan thanks for the idea. 📝

[@kyledarrenhanson]

I unfortunately don't get to work with models, I mostly do headshots/portraits of everyday people who are not typically comfortable in front of camera. I'd love to see an 'OnSet' style video from you and Marissa(so many fantastic expressions) that talks primarily about the basics of modelling and the techniques a photographer can learn, thus use to direct non-models. Modelling isn't something I have any training in, but as a photographer I know it'd be very useful to understand and use it to guide everyday people in how to use their eyes, expressions, mouth, etc Basically to get in the mindset of a model. Many thanks.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@WHITELIONNYC]

Kyle I do the poses myself and tell the model to just do that. I get exactly what I want that way. I have seen many other photogs do the same. It's easier than explaining...here I want you to do like this...🕺

[@GilbertTV]

Ive been shooting models for a year & half... at first I paid models to get some good shots& learn from them too.. now Ive do mainly TFP but find now I can get a better level of model as my work & reputation improves. ..thanks for your wise words ..love & agree with what you say about using agency models for comercial work.. that totally makes sense...

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Cool!

[@RS5Nola]

This has been my hardest challenge. The same could be said for MUAs, Hair Stylist and Wardrobe. I have shot with models and I have paid models for test shoots but I felt my work started looking the same so I wanted to add other talented ppl in my shoots but I found out quickly that I could not afford to pay all those ppl for a shoot that I'm not getting paid for.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

As long as everyone gets something they can use, trading is a solid option

[@RS5Nola]

@@DanielNortonPhotographer Thank you for responding. Nowadays everyone wants money over images. They could care less about having the images as long as they are getting tagged in anything that will be posted they want to be PAID.

[@thefaeryman]

I learned most of my skills on film, manual cameras back in the eighties, last 6 years I have developed skills to create shows for local public cable tv. recently cultivating my skill set more sophisticated portrait photos. you teach the technical stuff in a way I can understand, may be because you are from film based cameras transitioned to digital vs younger that didn't. thanks

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Awesome, glad my videos can be of some help.

[@andreak4280]

good info Daniel, thanks so much!

[@fergusgriffin2655]

This was great perspective and really useful - discussing the different situations was super helpful

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Thanks

[@samlincicome4904]

Hi Daniel. I really get a gas out of your videos. I started shooting back around 79, back then if you were going to do a lighting or set test you would get a friend or family member to help you out. Or you could call an agency and get a model through them. If you got one of there models it was either you paid them or more often than not it was TFP. And Vice Versa if the model needed shots for her port. But the other day I saw one that just takes rag off the bush. A "model" that not only wants to be paid but also wants prints, and other expenses paid. Now tell me what am I missing. I've talked to other models and they have never really heard of anything quite like this. Thanks Keep them coming

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

I would say that each person is free to charge what they like, actually getting paid that is a whole other story though.

[@ajjohnson9463]

Great content as always Daniel! I’m at the “a little better than just starting out but not quite the guy who should be hitting up models with 200k followers for trade” level. Basically, in my opinion, my skills are outpacing my book because I need to find models and am having a tough time. Seems like a catch 22. My question is, I think I’m at the point where I need to start paying models just to jumpstart my portfolio so I can show evidence of what I feel is good skill. But how do I know when I’m ready to approach an agency and ask for models who need test?

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Look at an agency’s board, if you can produce images of that level, you are ready.

[@ajjohnson9463]

Daniel Norton Photographer thank you!

[@MiaogisTeas]

Same here. Will have to follow this advice I think!

[@AlexJacksonSmith]

You are really good. Not only in what you do, but that you are prepared to share and guide us. Thanks A.,

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@blackcameraphoto]

I used model mayem, and Craigslist years ago. Social media platforms like Instagram and Facebook have made it so easy to find people and reach out to them nowadays. I always offer to pay models that do it full or part-time. If it's just a person that has a nice look I offer them images unless they ask for money.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@bobdots5974]

Thank you Daniel - great, practical advice. I like the fact that you talked honestly about the different situations that photographers face and the ethics of dealing fairly with models in each of them.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Thanks for watching!

[@DarkHorseCom]

Thanks for the tips, Daniel. Definitely gives an idea of how to handle some situations I had questions about. Much appreciated.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Thanks for watching!

[@bretthaddock8954]

Daniel, Thank you. As someone who is just starting our as a “pro” , this was very good practical advice.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Cool, glad I could help

[@Mphonik2013]

Its amazing how much a good model has to offer. Although my wife is very attractive she can't model to save her life. When I shot my first paid convention there were loads of professional models of various experience. I was surprised when I walked into a room and saw Christie Brinkley promoting her Prosecco. Before I got up the nerve to ask her if I could do a photo shoot with her I did some candid shots just in-case she told me to get lost. She has the ability to spot a camera even from cover and its more of a challenge to take a bad picture. She was also surprisingly super nice. I have never personally paid for a model but my clients always do.

[@erzewnicki]

We feel very similar on model Policies. In the Chicago are, I'm sure as in NY, everyone with a camera thinks they are a photographer. So I get models that have posed for a bunch of different people, but they have terrible portfolios, but think they are a top ranked model. I too get the travel models that hit me up to shoot, I dont use them, usually they think everyone just want s model to take their clothes off. Back when Craigslist was still popular, I got some decent "models' from there. Model Mayhem has just been talk back and forth with models, setting up a shoot, and having them flake on me. I have had only 1 model from there show up, and actually we end up shooting a lot together, But she is the only one. Hardest part I get is a model wants to shoot with me that i know nothing about and she expect me to pick the theme for her. Getting what images they are looking for is pulling teeth. Give them some ideas and its like nah not my style. Drive ya nuts. But anyway. Im glad you feel about models like I do. If its a rear gig, yeah you get paid, if its for fun or similar then TFP is ok. I usually put it as, If I need the photos i should pay. If You need the photos , then You should pay.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@therichmohr]

Another informative video Daniel! Back when I was shooting constantly I typically did trade for prints every weekend for my book. Once I started to get established I was able to get more paid gigs and more interest in my side projects (for trade). Everything you said was spot on!

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

cool!

[@winni223]

Nice piece of advice! What concerns a well-established model and a rookie situation, the other day I was just recalling Lawrence Schiller's interview where he describes his very first assignment to photograph Merlyn Monroe

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Cool

[@mavfan1]

Marilyn's brother? ;-)

[@johnhjic2]

Its one of my biggest problems it try to find models to work with. Most of which is my fault. Love your attitude to this subject and I totally agree with you that if your getting payed so should the model. Any thing else should be up for negotiation as to the type of shoot but a lot as you said depends on experience and what you are trying to capture. Thanks for your thoughts.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@mattorrz759]

You just keep answering all my questions Dan. So helpful with everything that is going through my head. 🙏🥃

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@jessestarks3128]

Great commentary and sums up the who pays and who doesn't matter well. I shoot some portrait type photos but also soft fetish work. As I'm not established nor a good photographer, I know I'll have to pay. I do take into account the models' port, experience, etc. when discussing pricing. Traveling models often come with too much overhead, but occasionally I find one that doesn't offer bankruptcy rates. I (still) use sites like Model Mayhem and Model-Kartei to find models. In my experience Facebook, Instagram and others are not useful resources.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Thank You!

[@slade-runner6773]

As a beginner photographer, doing fun shoots with friends, but the pictures aren't up to you're liking (large hot spots, unflattering angles, or color correcting becomes a challenge). How do you deal with a situation where they want the pictures but you're not satisfied with the quality, or the effort to get them in post work is really high?

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

If yo are not sure you are going to get useable images, I would let the subject know before the shoot that they will likely not get any photos.. and buy them lunch instead :)

[@williampalmer3018]

Excellent subject Daniel because we are all at the points in our career that you mentioned at some point in time. I always like hearing your thoughts on these random subjects. I really respect your views, thank you very much.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Thanks!

[@angelnievesphoto]

I really appreciate you sharing your experienced knowledge. Keep up the good work.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Thanks!!

[@WHITELIONNYC]

When dealing with freelance models, paying money is not a guarantee they will show up. Many years ago two models stood me up with no notice at all. One of them got a higher paying gig, the other got a photoshoot with a well-known racecar driver's car. I'll never book them again. One of them reached out to me last month, besides asking to be booked she gave me a list of demands. I simply suggested she post that she's available for TFP.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Some bad apples are no representative of the bunch

[@tylerHphoto]

I use the "if I say yes to you then I have to say yes to everyone, so I just say no to everyone" when it comes to assistants. For models I have friends who are part time models and love to have there picture taken so for fun stuff we find a time that works and do it for free. Basically exactly how you do it.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@goobydingbat1027]

Do you always get the model or makeup artist to do makeup or have you used digital makeup in photoshop for example. Great video Daniel.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

I have never used digital makeup - I don’t think I would feel right doing that honestly. I like to see my results as I work

[@michaelrobbins1758]

I am late to comment but if you happen to read this, when you mentioned your book and who you showed it too, who is it you are showing to? Wonderful videos. Thx

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

To potential clients

[@michaelrobbins1758]

@@DanielNortonPhotographer maybe you will do a vid about who to approach (these days), how to approach. Thx for answer. Really enjoyed your yt channel, encouraging and fun attitude.

[@evelasq1]

Thanks for the advice Daniel.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@KeemoRicablanca]

Thank you, Daniel. This is most helpful at my level of reaching out to potential clients/models.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Awesome

[@VoodooCru]

Such great advice Daniel. Thank you for what you do!

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Thanks!

[@MikeJamesMedia]

Thanks, Daniel. Good (and fair) tips for anyone new to the game.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Thanks!

[@karislee7864]

Thank you so much for your candor and knowledge!! I have a question- I am working on a fashion design portfolio and I’ve asked my friend to model for me for a couple of hours on a Saturday, who is in no way a professional model. Is it better to pay her even for a little bit of money, or is it not necessary? I feel slightly pressured to do so??, but I’m in between jobs right now and I’m not in a place where I can pay a lot.. please help!

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

I would have a discussion with your friend ahead of time letting them know that you intend to “pay” them with images. If they desire images that are not the ones you are making that day, set up another time to shoot what they need as payment.

[@RussellSpencerOfficial]

I was wondering about the best way to get a model release. Any good articles on the subject?

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

There are many releases out there. Try one of the photo organizations like PPA or ASMP

[@RussellSpencerOfficial]

@@DanielNortonPhotographer Thanks Daniel

[@c7aus]

Great, just great, thank you so much, Daniel !

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@brandedsean]

Thanks, Daniel. That was super helpful.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@BSimpson19911]

Wonderful advice!

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@albertr915]

Good video with great information

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Thanks!

[@adriaankastelein9476]

Thanks for sharing the informatie! I also sometimes have from a site "purpleport" that a model who is traveling in my area and ask if I want to do a photoshoot and nothing mentioned in the message about costs. They are models with quite some experience and normally ask money for shoots, so do I guess they also want to be payed by me. Lucky me I have alot of work with editing with my photogtaphy and it is just a hobby :) Greetings, Adriaan.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Cool!

[@marcthibault8723]

Great tips Daniel! 👍☺

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@Ali.lensman]

Great topic Dani... thank you..

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@manilamartin1001]

Wow. Nice video. Here in Philippines there are different kind of models. Class A are white skinned and tall. 5'6" minimum. International models usually 5'8". They have very different pay scales from a few hundred dollars a day to north of $1000 usd. Most of the fashion models here can be found through the higher agencies and the procedure is similiar to America and Europe way of booking them. They get vouchers and are paid through the agency who is paid by clients. I also love shooting for fun and experimenting, we call that xdeal shoots here instead of tfp. Lots of models can do that. Unfortunately, there is not a fashion industry here in the Philippines so there really isn't fashion agencies like in New York.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Thanks for the insight, I have never worked in the Philippines that is very interesting

[@WatchThatFirstStep]

Sometimes I forget about the issue of colorism in the Philippines...

[@manilamartin1001]

@@WatchThatFirstStep i didn't mean it as a racism, just a description. you can find any type of model on modelmayhem. The agency girls are all white skinned though, and tall.

[@willtheelectrician8184]

What is your main source of income? Is it magazines or fashion company's website or store front print advertisements? I'm genuinely curious as to what your bread and butter is. Could you make a video on that subject maybe?

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

These days primarily teaching. Most of my career fashion catalog/advertising/magazine work

[@willtheelectrician8184]

@@DanielNortonPhotographer have you had to make strategic pivots and or changes due to the onset of digital media? Or is the core of your work based to the customer and not the media by which they offer? Meaning, have you had to evolve to the technological climate or was that burden placed on your clientele? And to what degree if any did you foresee or adapt to the changing media platforms? This is a subject that I'm keenly interested in having not seen the film to digital wave that overtook me 17 years ago. Btw... thanks for all of your open source content and guidance. You're a rockstar in my book.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Thanks, that's a heck of a question! For me personally, the platform didn't really affect the work. Since catalog work is not based on usage typically, my rate stayed the same whether they were printing or web publishing. That being said, the change from film to digital effected how we billed etc. Advertising work I did was mostly magazine based, so that did not change either, it is fascinating.

[@jennygw1883]

@@DanielNortonPhotographer how did billing change on moving to digital please?

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Mostly lab fees replaced by digital tech and storage fees, computer rental, digital back rental etc. Never got money to rent a film RZ but when they insist on a Phase One, you charge for it.

[@andrewgreig1197]

I have used models from MM, almost exclusively, because the Verified credits system is such an advantage. I like to shoot, and my post production skills are improving because I shoot a lot. I invite models who have incomplete profile data to work TFP and offer them assistance to get it right and pick up a verified credit as well, and I always deliver on my promise to have images for them within 4 days. I treat them as collaborators and with respect and they respond well to that. I pay the price of International traveling models because working with them always improves my photography, they stretch me. So now I have almost 50 Verified credits as a photographer whose studio is a safe place, who is respectful and considerate and obtaining models is so much easier. I hired a model once who had one indistinct image her port , but had 16 verified credits in her profile, Corie Shannon is her MM name, so I hired her because every VC said how amazing she was. Well, she was fantastic, and I shot with her again, and then, dammit, she left Australia and moved home to Miami FL. So now if I want to shoot with her I have fly across the Pacific and then across the USA, I am saving up.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Cool

[@jmartinez562]

We're entering 2022 soon .... I'm sure an App can solve that problem of having a back-up model.... "Standby Models" would be the company name.. just using some imagination ✨

[@ChrisLonsberryMedia]

While I appreciate your desire to pay people for work, I might suggest that people who assist _are_ getting paid in a sense. I'm not a portrait photographer.. yet. But I'd jump at the chance to work with someone who was on their game.. you know.. such as yourself. There may not be cash involved but the education is available. It's the time-honored tradition of apprenticeship. I have an event this year that I was planning on shooting but I have a chance to assist a guy who's probably THE guy in this genre. Sure, I'll be schlepping around behind him. But if you don't think I'm going to be watching him (and asking questions, when it's appropriate.. like NOT in the middle of him doing something.). That's my payment. And I'm pretty excited about it. Next year, maybe I won't need to do that. But right now.. I'm the grasshopper. Same thing with weddings. I saw some horribly bad wedding shoots last year by people who thought they could shoot an indoor wedding with no windows because they had a T6i with a kit lens. They were inexpensive but there's almost nothing to show for it.. (3500+ grainy 2MP photos? Really?). Now, I don't want to shoot weddings. Not my thing. But I want the skillset so that I can do it for someone if I need to and not ruin their photos. My plan is to assist for as long as it takes, then graduate to second shooter.. then figure out if I can do it on my own. But I expect it to take time and I'll never shoot a wedding until I'm qualified. But.. notice that the first step is assisting. I mean.. don't get me wrong.. I respect your outlook as yours. But this is the feedback from my side. FWIW. And.. yeah.. I'm still gonna watch every video you put out 'cause that's an education too. ;-) I might add that I'm not pitching to come assist. But if you want to come to Charleston and assist me... I'm kidding. No I'm not. A little.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

I was an assistant for many years, and got paid for it. Apprenticeships are not free labor.

[@back2lay]

I am still at the "Tricking friends & family into modeling" stage. I think with my hit 'n miss skill level it would be a waste of cash to hire a real model. Or do you think it would help to get a real model that could offer advice?

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

I would say it depends on what you mean by hit to miss, if it's technical stuff where your images are not usable, it might be too early for a model, but if it's more that you don't allows love your shots, a paid model might be good.

[@DavidSimmonsDEVSart]

Also getting the right paid model can really help improve your chance of a hit over a miss! The really good ones know how to look good even in bad light, understand what a key light is, and where to face to get the best shot. If you are not ready for that look around for a few workshops, something where you get to shoot and learn at the same time.

[@ahmedhashmi3584]

@@DanielNortonPhotographer Thanks for that tip Danial..

[@3DPrintsOnline]

Thank you for this, very informative.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@drewrobertson6286]

So, you used the word “friends” at the end... I had to break out the Webster to figure out what that word meant, wow, they sound neat & fun, kinda wish I had friends!

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@drewrobertson6286]

Dear Sir Daniel Norton... wow, that was funny! It makes me worry about you a little, I am still wondering if a true friend would have sent me a video link like that one! Hey, I forgot to say thanks for sharing your videos, I found you on my feed today, watched 2 of your videos about lighting then subscribed, then watched a few more videos, I like your content & style. Thanks Once again!

[@AndrewMay100]

Its funny how broad the terms of finding models can be the worst model I ever worked with on a book project was a neighbor of one of my students who I had seen a few time walking past his house so I asked him to get in contact with her for a shoot ..a few days later we met up at a cafe and its competely the wrong person? some hobo lady ?haha and she wanted $1000 an hour because she was told by a drunk friend thats what supermodels earn hah I asked her can see supply folio images of previous work and she tells me she has never modelled before hahah did a quick tfp shoot and never saw her again

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

lol

[@AndrewMay100]

Hobo lady chic is all the rage these days hhaha

[@pritush]

Another 2 days I gonna be ending up watching all your videos. Regards

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Awesome

[@johnfishlock22132]

Great insight! Cheers!

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@wolfgangk1]

I've been a professional photographer for a long time and casting non-professional models is the worst and for whatever reason (I have my theories) it's getting even worse. Here's what I frequently encounter. -- Folks want to be paid who have NO idea of what's involved -- IRRESPONSIBLE (especially guys) They either down show up or are constantly late, that morphs into not showing up--this always happens when they discover that it not "easy" -- Camera Shy: The model is terrified of the camera. This can sometimes be overcome after a lot of exposure to the camera. I wouldn't advise it unless you have A LOT of time to waste. My experience has been that they'll bail on you right when they're at a point where you can actually get some nice images from them -- No to low energy -- No confidence I could go on--any one of these is a deal killer for me. MY EXPERIENCE has been, the more slack you cut them the more lazy and likely you are of getting punk'd. Everybody wants to be famous and have their pictures in magazines and walk the runway, but few want to put the energy required to make it happen.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@jackdeth5009]

"Now I want pizza" is a classic Daniel moment ;->

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

And I had to settle for a hamburger because that's what Dave wanted

[@jimmylee7422]

you are a top guy mate, if you are ever in London i will happy shout you a few coffees or beers as a thank you.Cheers fella

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

I’ll take you up on that - hopefully in 2021!

[@lucdelorme3485]

Hi Daniel. Interesting topic that I have to deal with some people. I never paid a model and never use an assistant or a make up artist. Because I'm not running a busisness with my passion. I have a relationship with my models base on that, passionate by the medium. I'm, I think, a good photographer. And those I ask or they ask me to do a shoot know that issue. Sometimes a model who get paid, not from an agency, as a free lance whant to shoot with me and I explain that I don t paid them and they are ok with that. In exchange like you said I give them the best pics from that shoot. I have to pay the rent for a studio if needed, never ask the model to contribute. I ask for there time and to be passionate. No so much friend as a collaborator, but some model are refered to me by them . My portfolio on Instagram and Facebook related to my web site help to find talents. And most of the time, it s the first experience as a model, but I want to know the reason they want to pose and discust a topic who please both of us. Very important and I insist, it s a collaboration. Most of the time the model want to do an other shoot. With some of them I establish a relationship base on many shoot with them, like you and Marissa. Keep the good work sir. Luc.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Excellent! I really enjoy working with first time models, it’s exciting to see their reactions

[@lucdelorme3485]

Indeed.

[@101jumpit]

Excellent advice Daniel............and you can assist me anytime :)

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Fantastic, I’ll be right over 😊

[@johnleighdesigns]

another great topic discussion thanks Daniel! Im in uk London and I started off some years ago shooting with friends which soon ran out of gas - After that I began paying a few models for a few shoots and I found this helped in many ways - in particular it relieved me of having to direct and coach the model and I could see the typical range of poses they like to show! In the last 6 months I have been doing a lot of TFP with models that are beginners and starting out and even some established models needing a refresh or experiment/concept - I use StarNow.com for this and works well.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Cool!

[@GrayWhiteOfficial]

I get intimidated by the cinematic camera shakes xD

[@XtianApi]

I feel good seeing another blind photographer. I'm the same, lol. Cheers

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@jetcitysinatra7300]

So you are not a photographer looking for a woman to model for you, you are photographer working for an agency that goes to a modeling agency ? I am an artist and use women to pose for my pinup style artwork. I need someone to pose the way I see the image in my head. I do not like working with models because they are too controlling over their image and have a hard time taking good direction. I need to know what is the basic price that is usually paid for a 2 hour session. . .

[@Valtrach]

Great video, thanks. If you feel like it someday, could you talk about the control you have on your set. Whenever we see you shoot with other photographers, it looks like a collaboration but if you get paid for a gig and you have to hire a makeup artist, a hairdresser and even sometimes a person to take care of the clothes, it's not a collaboration anymore. Do you give room to the hired people to express their opinion or do you keep a tight control? I've had experiences like this and would like your input. Thanks in advance and keep up the great work.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Sure, that's a good topic and I think what it comes down to is "management style" - you don't manage creatives like you do assembly line workers or accountants.

[@andrewareva4605]

I think many people now also use IG and DM models directly. What about hair, makeup and stylist? Do you expect new models to do all that or do pay for that even with a trade?

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

I happen to be a make-up artist as well, but usually if it's a simple test I have models do their own, if it's a specific hair, make-up shoot we either bring in an artist (either trade or paid)

[@jennygw1883]

@@DanielNortonPhotographer wow, did not know you are a mua. Really is nothing you can't do!

[@iunderstanphotography2780]

Every once in a while, punch out of your weight class, approach and shoot with a really good model, if you have to pay or not. If done properly, that model should elevate your work, and you can learn what it's like to have a model that poses and takes direction better than usual

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@ademola5803]

I met someone who begged me for a photoshoot but each time I book an appointment she would cancel. Then I she found someone else to take her pictures and edited the fuck out of the picture to make her look like a barbie doll. Now she wants me to take her picture but she wants me to pay her. Having watched your video now, I would just ignore her.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Smart

[@jimmyhill9591]

I'm glad I only worked with 'models' once. I say models but they were actually just attractive women who were friends of the person I did the shoot for. After a friend of mine graduated from FIT, she wanted to put together a portfolio of some of her designs. She brought the 'models' and I brought the make-up artist(who was trading her time for portfolio images) as well as a buddy who was getting into photography and wanted to learn lighting. We planned to shoot 2 girls a day, three Sundays in a row(this was supposed to be a fun project in our free time). First Sunday one girl couldn't make it, second Sunday one girl was hung over, the list goes on...Three days of shooting turned into six. Being that it wasn't a paying job, but rather a favor for a friend that worked out for others as well(MUA got portfolio images, 'models' got images for personal use, buddy learned some lighting), I wasn't too upset. It was still fun and I got some cool images out of it. If I had to deal with the risks you do in regard to models for paying jobs...It would probably drive me to drink. I can definitely see the advantage of using a reputable agency.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

yes, this is a good example as to why for "jobs" it's often better to hire for pay models.

[@davidabarak]

Eh, the shaky cam's not such a good idea... but the content of the video is good.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@WHITELIONNYC]

The low hanging fruit 🍎🍏. You are totally right with that. Also many of the established models bring an attitude and bad behavior. Give me the newbies. 💻🎬🎥📽️📷🤷🙋🙆💃👯🧘🏋️🤾

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Unfortunately that can be the case, but those are rarely the pro models

[@gabeatv]

Does Marisa pay you when she takes pictures of you? :)

[@Zack_Darce]

That zoomed in shot where the camera is tracking your face is super distracting.. Just keep it static.. Or get a camera guy if you want some camera shake.. Love the advice though.. Just turned off the screen and listened since it was distracting

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

yeah, the Mevo was very energetic on this one! Thanks though!

[@Zack_Darce]

@@DanielNortonPhotographer thank you! Hopefully I'll have some stuff to show for the vids I watch sooner than later!

[@jonnyboy8000]

Camera operator get a tripod

[@shapes2000]

There is no cameraman, i think Daniel is using a 4k video camera, zooming in on some shots and using AE to give some camera shake.

[@jennygw1883]

First Like, yayyy lol Good subject :) Wish a lot of models would realise they need to learn how to be a model!

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Indeed, like everything we get better with practice.

[@jennygw1883]

@@DanielNortonPhotographer i mean. They should know basics of posing and expression, for example.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

For sure, I love when a model ask's questions about the light etc to help them pose better

[@jennygw1883]

@@DanielNortonPhotographer that would be bliss. I'm lucky if they know what to do with their hands. Luckily I don't have to shoot models much, only actors.

[@wilteduk007]

Camera man's drunk lol

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

for sure

[@martindammable]

I'm willing to bet there isn't a cameraman ;)

[@kashourikatsu2543]

IG models

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@CodHumors]

This is actually really good information! Great video. It is even better when your girlfriend is a model. Free everything plus kisses.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Ha ha yeah!

[@Dr.AhmedNaguib]

Awesome informative video But I think there is a lot of a hidden messages in this video to your models 👺😎🧐

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

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[@ioanionut6904]

Now I know haw it is to film yourself with a drone on a windy day! Just teasing the camera man! Great content and thanks!

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Ha ha. Gonna try that next

[@miavonni]

I must work with this man one day!!! IG choe_milano_photography

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

I am a great model 😌

[@VaughnFelixMusic]

Models are so flakey, maybe because I don’t pay them?

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Hard to say, but people who are not serious about working are more likely to flake IMO

[@4CardsMan]

Excellent, except for the reflections of the ring light in your glasses.

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

That’s my beauty blogger set-up

you could have a brazilian assistant just to mix culture into your daily routine. :)

[@DanielNortonPhotographer]

Ha ha, yes!

cool!