What is Medieval War Wrestling?

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[@Suninrags]

Can the bullets still be fired. I assume not but y'know

[@crowe6861]

@@Suninrags are you serious

[@Suninrags]

@@crowe6861 like I stated I assume not but I always have a shred of doubt just in case. Kinda dumb I know

[@BilalKhan-ng3ex]

@@Suninrags are you serious

[@Suninrags]

@@BilalKhan-ng3ex I see a comment train Incoming

[@HEMASimian]

Don't let the puffy clothes fool you, Kyle is an absolute tank.

[@MsAhutch]

U N I T

[@kyletoelle]

Thanks Julian.

[@HEMASimian]

@@kyletoelle you making it to BRO this year?

[@kyletoelle]

@@HEMASimian Oh hell yeah.

[@kyletoelle]

@@HEMASimian Its a date, I'll sharpen my cold steel.

[@jeffmaesar]

''at the bar or on the street" this quote seemed odlly familliar... i feel i m back to school.

[@heavens.sorrow]

Back to school.... SCAM SCHOOL!

[@msclrhd]

Ringenschool, the only school dedicated to wrestling at the bar or on the street.

[@CK-ceekay]

"I could totally see myself getting too excited and suddenly, Brian's dead" Save this for future reference

[@Zancoth]

Just gonna take a moment to express my appreciation for the little text your team puts on screen whenever a currency or unit of measurement is mentioned. It's very helpful! Thank you for your time, whoever sits down and does that.

[@Sohzy]

Yeah I love that so much about this channel

[@MrNight-dg1ug]

Brandt?

[@rexthegameboy]

same though!!

[@BrandtHughes]

I'm glad it helps, thanks!

[@ahassan3557]

I concur

[@SaltyBGR]

"Medieval wrestling? How could they get hurt in this one!"

[@eidolor]

They trust each other and don’t panic even when they’re doing weird shit. Couple that with an observant, competent teacher here and they’re set. Backyard cooking with lye and sharp slippery stuff is way scarier.

[@Setsuraful]

Jason is unusually well balanced, Its kind of unsettling.

[@Known_as_The_Ghost]

He's a Ninja. Have you even see him use Nunchucks?

[@joshd2013]

@@Known_as_The_Ghost no is there a video of it

[@Known_as_The_Ghost]

@@joshd2013 Yeah, there is ...

[@joshd2013]

@@Known_as_The_Ghost excellent I'm gonna try find it

[@Known_as_The_Ghost]

@@joshd2013 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5eycmhnjJKHjNE&ab_channel=TheModernRogue kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6Owp2qehKd-oJY&ab_channel=TheModernRogue Enjoy!

[@admiral1539]

It’s pretty fascinating how similar all of this is to judo, when I’m assuming that this martial art doesn’t really have any influence from judo. It goes to show that in martial arts, what works, works

[@killslay]

I was thinking the same, It's very similar to the jiu jitsu training I've done. Like he said though, people have been grabbing hold and throwing each other since the stone age

[@GuyNamedSean]

Grappling is grappling. It's all about throws and rolling and grabbing. There's only so many ways you can do that.

[@stevestrangelove4970]

The human body is the same, and those it follow the same rules. What distinguish it is mostly the context, as the instructor said, in this case you were probably wearing armor, which is the reason some things may look a little bit different.

[@BiscuitsBox]

I'm really fascinated by the overlap. Might have to pick up the research.

[@HIPEOPLE1887]

I wonder how different this becomes once armor is involved.

[@sethmagallones7507]

That parkour clip tickles me everytime

[@VVheeli]

Seth Magallones I forgot which clip you were talking about. Never forgetting that anymore.

[@saywhat9158]

This guy is a really good teacher in getting the fundamental points and conceptual ideas across. Too many instructors teach “moves” without focus on the preliminary setup and the scale comparison was a great analogy.

[@kyletoelle]

Thanks I appreciate it.

[@derrekgillespie413]

"Ok, so SOME moves might SEEM like they're from 'professional wrestling,' or whatever, but I swear they're legit. Check out this cave painting of this bear getting totally wrecked by the People's Elbow. Sick."

[@theshuman100]

cave painting of a guy suplexing a bear

[@abonynge]

You see the part where he grabs the top and middle ropes and swings around kicking the bear in the face with both legs? We call that the 619.

[@LeonardGreenpaw]

@@abonynge cave paintings.... of modern day russia

[@kaleoarnold3709]

@@abonynge Thank you for referencing one of the best wwe wrestlers of all time.

[@gunnerzessau7115]

I love to see how wrestling is almost universal. I remember taking judo lessons and this is so similar (at least the basics).

[@JD2jr.]

You know it's actually good advice when it is consistent throughout all good martial arts.

[@Sebzthesmooth]

Agree

[@noahluppe]

Well, first thing you learn in judo is not to get your head on the ground, but always slap down after rolling onto your back. That not slapping the ground was very unsettling for me. And also the rolling, never roll over your head, could get injured.

[@Sebzthesmooth]

@@noahluppe agree

[@JD2jr.]

@@noahluppe The slapping is so you don't post out and break something; grabbing the knees or crossing your chest works just as well (probably better for beginners, honestly). As for rolling over your head, you're not wrong, but if you practice like that it's less likely to be injurious in the future.

[@Zahlenteufel1]

this is earthbending mentality right there "you don't go around, you go through it"

[@kyletoelle]

Toph is my favorite for a reason. Both have short legs and don't see well.

[@KaitouKaiju]

Yeah, earthbending is explicitly based on sumo wrestling among other things

[@t.w3280]

The Boulder likes your thinking.

[@mkultraification]

At this point, they have the skills to make a decent medieval war movie.

[@maciej5866]

For sure better than standard Hollywood "historical" movie

[@AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov]

Especially since their short and only have oval faces 😅. No modern day square jawlines in historical settings (because all people had back then were small oval/round faces, I don’t think square jawlines existed until the very late 20th century like does anyone know any fifties actors/actresses with square jawlines?)

[@asbestosfish_]

inb4 Jason decides to throw down with a grizzly bear

[@sug8056]

i think he could beat the bear

[@DungeonSlasher]

@@sug8056 He is the bear.

[@christopherabbott3484]

Brian, I spotted why Jason had an easier time getting up during the roll practice than you. He kept his feet shoulder width apart while you kept bringing your feet together. If you decide to practice it again give it a try like that.

[@Taco_Syndicate]

Spot on. Having such a wide and narrow stance threw his balance off for being thrown as well. I think a reminder and/or explanation of the 8 points of balance are in order.

[@BI00dw0rk]

Hey, swiss citizen here. This is still a sport that's very very well known in switzerland (welp since it's considered a national sport this shouldn't be much of a surprise), just that our version of "Ringen" is called "Schwingen". Every 3 years we still have tournaments all around switzerland to find out who the best "Schwinger" is or as we call them "Schwingerkönig" (könig = king).

[@Fluffisnoterm]

BI00dw0rk Those Schwingen tournaments are really fun to attend, from what I hear. Have you ever been to one?

[@dascorncakes1151]

lol swinger ecks dee lmao

[@noisepuppet]

Does the winner wear the Schwingerkrona?

[@junichiroyamashita]

How different are Schwingen and German Ringen?

[@brittakriep2938]

In mountain regions of Austria, Southern Tyrol and Bavaria an unarmed art called Rangeln IS known.

[@AK_allday_907]

I feel like Jason has a natural nack for this, if he started lessons I think he’d be pretty good in a fairly short time.

[@SkellyBobRoss]

The moment they are in position and instead of letting go to watch and just both moved in unison. That is squad goals.

[@HorsonWelles]

I need to know where Jason gets his socks. I need to upgrade my sock game.

[@rhyhood9328]

They need a sock sponsor

[@heavensmile3637]

By the way Ringen still is the correct word for wrestling in german

[@christianeifel-guy9279]

Beat me to it...

[@solarsombrero227]

But "geselliges" needs some pronunciation practice 😂

[@misterkami2]

Mantani Mantaniri I was about to say the same thing..

[@pentakill588]

@@solarsombrero227 1st thing I thought was how can someone teach something he can't even pronounce... Because if the instructor is too lazy to get his shit right, why should I trust him with stuff that could actually hurt me...

[@sionefinaulahi4640]

Wait I thought it was kampf or something

[@Langston42]

Can we get "The 'Shwood Abides" as a shirt?

[@erikjansen3839]

this is video is more fun for me than other viewers as I am from Germany and actually had Ringen in PE for a couple weeks

[@kyletoelle]

Lol

[@ElricWilliam]

Ohhhhhh,I was waiting for this. After the Staff, Langschwert, Dagger it was the next logical step xD

[@Kremit_the_Forg]

Next step: Harnischfechten!

[@clearmelody6252]

@@Kremit_the_Forg YAAAAAASSSSSS!!!!!!

[@dksamaritan5200]

I want to see some saber work in there too.

[@SWINGERINTO]

Hahahhaha!!!!! "It was Mortal Kombat ll, but....." Jason Murphy!!

[@firefly5247]

Just as with all of the martial arts episodes, fantastic instruction by the practitioners, fantastic camerawork, fantastic hosting

[@talhatariqyuluqatdis]

These medievel and weapons episodes of yours are always my favourites!

[@TheAgentofEnigmas]

[1:00] "Welcome to the Modern Rogue, the show dedicated to medieval wrestling at the bars and on the streets!" A nice little nod to the old Scam School openings.

[@MsAhutch]

This goes to show how effective these movements are, they all show up in judo and others

[@natekelly770]

Only so many ways you can throw and grapple someone

[@pestbarn]

Can't even count the reasons why this is medieval. "Keep the arms in or I could grab your fingers or pull your hair" like...

[@Mr-Tibbster]

There is also an Italian version of this. Fiore has it in his Medieval manual and calls it "Abrazare", and it includes guards against punches, kicks (and also employs them), and includes a lot of breaks and dislocations. One of the best schools for it is here in the UK, a HEMA group known as "The Exiles".

[@AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov]

Is there ground defense too? Or was it basically in all of HEMA that once your on your back and on the ground your screwed? Because I heard that there is literally no ground fighting in HEMA and that the only ground techniques are pins

[@Mr-Tibbster]

@@AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov Depends how we define HEMA at this point. In the Medieval manuscripts, I don't know of ground fighting methods, probably because the logic was, once that happens you're dead anyway (daggers, etc). But if we consider some traditional wrestling arts as part of HEMA, then we can say there are ground fighting systems. Arts such as Catch-as-Can grappling, which is a traditional English grappling system, it focuses on standing game, but has ground fighting methods too.

[@AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov]

@@Mr-Tibbster I heard there wasn’t any ground fighting or moves in even Pankration, the Ancient Greek unarmed fighting sport that was similar to MMA

[@Mr-Tibbster]

@@AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov Yeah I wouldn't know about Pankration too much in terms if it has ground fighting, though I know it has wrestling.

[@AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov]

@@Mr-Tibbster there isn’t ground fighting in wrestling either, is there?

[@rainbownation2706]

The possibility of a fart slip, in some of these moves is higher than the possibility of a reset on the injury counter!

[@Taco_Syndicate]

That's actually a technique... but I couldn't have been the first.

[@thedragonbroke]

You can look at Mr Toelle and see he is an actual fighter. Powerful build and steady demeanor. Great instructor as well, I wish I lived near his school.

[@Propulus]

Kyle needs his own youtube channel. I'd love to learn more about this but am from south Europe so I can't really start training with him. The techniques are awesome.

[@theMMAbrat]

A Mutant Banana his dagger teaching is on Amazon Prime

[@amorfati4559]

I've been waiting for you guys to do a ringen video since you started HEMA stuff. Awesome!

[@SoldierDrew]

Irish Collar & Elbow Wrestling, Ringen Wrestling and Judo are all very similar. This guy is an outstanding teacher in that He wastes no words and explains things so well.

[@brittakriep2938]

In Austria, Southern Tyrol and bavarian alpine region a local wrestling style ,Rangeln' exists, and in german part of Switzerland ,Schwingen'. As far as i know, both styles are more intended for civilian competition, not so much for selfdefence. If there is a connection to medieval Wrestling i don' t know, Ringen is basicly german umbrella word.

[@ryngak]

12:23 Modern Rogue knife fighting episode coming soon I hope. I liked the dagger episode, but I highly doubt someone is going to pull a rondel on me in a bar fight.

[@theMMAbrat]

Ice pick?

[@TheRealAlpha2]

Oooh knife fighting would be brutal, it's basically "he who bleeds less wins."

[@xImageBreakerx]

Now I have a mission to find you and have a rondel duel in a bar,

[@Taco_Syndicate]

@@TheRealAlpha2 or no real winner. Agreed, brutal.

[@Leo.23232]

You can't learn fighting from watching a youtube video anyway.

[@corkomaster4837]

1:36 so glad jason likes pantera

[@ashertheprophet9601]

Dude Everyone likes panterra Some people more than others

[@yeehaw142]

This has got to be my favorite channel on youtube. These guys are great hosts, the editing is amazing, and the videos cover very interesting topics of a broad spectrum.

[@wereling]

I really like seeing these less famous martial arts

[@hidenfn]

Congratulations on receiving the Golden KZbin Play Button, I'm here from the pepper pellet gun video back in 2016 and you guys are still kicking ass.

[@dalkra99]

I love watching a good teacher teach something they’re super passionate about.

[@chrismiksworld]

How freaking Awesome is this I Love it I wish there were more things like this Like yes I Like self-defense and all that it is amazing But I am Fascinated by the History of it all

[@johnfrancis3203]

Fun facts. I work as a swim instructor(red cross cert and everything) the hand legged thing(where he says "if right handed, usually right legged") is something I see a lot of as well

[@robgibbons1139]

I have a rogue's ring coming in the mail today. Pretty stoked about it.

[@n8glo]

same here

[@Denkar11]

I've got a Rogue's Revenge on the way. Looking forward to that, too.

[@edburdo]

I think this is my favorite "martial arts" related video from TMR. Love it!

[@christopherabbott3484]

At 12:50 Jason's muscle memory kicked in from Ace's Jujitsu training.

[@Palthura]

Oh boy let’s see the reset counter tick down...

[@GoodandBasic]

I've been waiting for this! These Hema episodes have been fantastic for both entertainment and for instruction. Thanks for posting. JB

[@Hayatefan]

Well "ringen" is still very popular in switzerland but we call it "schwingen"

[@sevandor]

I enjoy how Brian just seems lighter than everyone else so is just being lifted and cradled when they try to flip him.

[@williamwaugh2004]

i have to say you guys do an amazing job with making the promos entertaining enough that i watch the hole thing.

[@DTux5249]

19:47 best throw of the vid lol

[@skyflier8955]

Wow, y’all made this fast! Anthony was out at the Texas Renaissance Festival last week!

[@outdateduser7036]

AFAIK almost all episodes are pre-recorded

[@45calibermedic]

As someone who practices HEMA a lot, I have enjoyed your videos on the subject (and others) very much. You guys keep things light but plenty informational and respectful.

[@Zahlenteufel1]

16:43 Toph, is it you?

[@ashischattopadhyay9598]

Thoroughly enjoyable as well as inspiring to get a glimpse of Mediaeval European grappling grammar 👌, look to learn more often in depth!

[@ipoddish]

I love how he didn’t even bat an eye when Jason made his joke attempt at taking him down. Kyle just calmly lower his hips and got ready to rock Jason’s world.

[@X0verXDriveX]

That's awesome how everyone is just smiling and having fun.

[@Jonic_P]

So, I do more Italian Medieval Wrestling (Fiore dei Liberi's "Abrazare") and what I find interesting when put in conjunction with Ringen is just how much both are similar to other Wrestling/Grappling techniques from around the world and through time. Recently I saw a video of a modern Wrestler and a Judoka sparring and I was surprised with how similar the techniques were to what I do, as well as what they've shown in this video. There will always be debates on which style is better, with even very strong and convincing evidence, but it's cool to know that a lot of them share similar techniques that are clearly effective.

[@kingoscar5447]

This is very similar to Judo. It’s amazing how universal wrestling principles are

[@joltex-1148]

This is a style of jacket wrestling, meaning you can grab on to the opponent's shirt of jacket, very similar to judo the techniques demonstrated are: O-Soto Otoshi, Kuchiki Taoshi, and Sukui Nage

[@Edalyn_The_Blahaj_Lover]

I know will tell all my friends I'm learning German War Wrestling... Thank you guys!

[@AskAScreenwriter]

So when do we get to see Brian's luxuriant new hair in the old-style 'spiked' do?

[@Sebzthesmooth]

This is like some weird alternate universe of judo, bizzare but cool.

[@yaboi-km2qn]

Kind of, but more aggressive somehow.

[@Sebzthesmooth]

@@yaboi-km2qn wouldn't say more aggressive just more raw and rudimentary

[@snazdogdbfan251]

The body only moves certain ways so it’s no surprise that martial arts from different cultures would come up with some of the same techniques despite being so far apart on the map

[@natekelly770]

In the show "Human weapon" they mention that Judo style throws would be used to get an opponent on the ground, where you could get other weapons, and you could kill your opponent. I'm not entirely sure how true that is, but considering how similar the idea is to this, I wouldn't be surprised if it was true

[@Sebzthesmooth]

@@natekelly770 yeah Judo throws to solid ground like road and concrete can definately break some bones, furthermore in judo you get trained to submit and subdue via chokes, strangles and armbars.

[@manman-ti4we]

I love how much Jason loves doing the warm ups

[@mattk859]

This is kinda cool to get the historical context. I grew up wrestling in high school, and so many of the fundamentals they talked about here are the same as what we learned. We tumble to gain spatial awareness of the body when put into an unpredictable state, and grappling is less about muscling your opponent, and more about getting them off balance.

[@cringiestthingever9317]

I love how smooth Jason is compared to how bouncy Brian is

[@testname4464]

10:40 "Vore is before."

[@loganthibodeau3804]

I wrestle in high school in America and I'm seeing a lot of the same moves but it's a lot different fundamentally

[@doktordanomite9105]

Different context

[@timothyhayes2726]

Sweet a video with two of my favorite people Anthony and Kyle!!!!

[@kyletoelle]

Tim, always good to hear from you!

[@Assocofsupremebeings]

I saw Ringen written on the board in the filtration episode, and I've been waiting for this ever since

[@erebostd]

"Ringen" is just the German word for classic wrestling, just without all the theater around it. Nearly every sports club here has a class for it :-)

[@franktheprank7336]

Yes but, the ringen they are talking about IS time specific, the problem is that, since everyone was doing it they never settled for a name to it. In fact "war wrestling" at that time existed trought Europe in its entirety, and every culture had a different name for it....all of them roughly translate to wrestling, seems that it's easier to give it a generic name than dealing with having to wrap your head around every single name for every single school of it around an entire continent.

[@brittakriep2938]

The old style of german style wrestling has ended in early 18th century, when the last manual was written. A lot of german traditions died for the reason of the terrible 30years war, and after this war French baroque culture came to Germany, so that upper class men no more liked activities which caused sweat.

[@rancorusia]

"you havent done this at all" "wait, really? thought i just did"

[@ironwolfF1]

So...medieval German judo? There's waaaay more thought into this style of combat than one might think.

[@Danfunnyman1234]

It's so easy to miss these in my subscriptions, I really wish you guys would have a more identifiable thumbnail in your videos lately. Some MR videos have easy to spot thumbnails and others don't

[@pantherapardus1398]

20:34 I don't know why, I just find the way Kyle says "yes" hilarious. Like he sounds like he's almost going "indeed" and that he's seriously going to enjoy doing it.

[@VeNoM0619]

I like this instructor, he did very well explaining.

[@jackwatts9588]

I love the look of shock on Brian's face once Jason dumps him on the floor haha. Good content!

[@deusimarjunior2534]

Impressive how martial arts are historically linked to each other, as many of the movements in this demonstration reminded me a little of judo.

[@HealedCoyote997]

Grappler feat is overpowered.

[@scarakus]

Falling safely, probably the most important thing i learnt in karate.

[@luke0b708]

Can you guys number your episodes? so when you reference an old episode we can go back and check it out. (Awesome channel by the way).

[@joshuawestphal4585]

It´s great watching this as a german...your accents sound so funny to me haha

[@kyletoelle]

I hear that a lot

[@justinwilliams7148]

just watching how close their heads were getting to that square electrical box on the wall wondering if they were nervous about that thing too.

[@qwillerr]

i love how he just fixes his glasses at 22:37 XD it looks so freaking anime it almost hurts.

[@kyletoelle]

I can never now unsee that...add that to my social anxieties.

[@ObjectiveZoomer]

3:13 that is Gucci's entire business model LOL

[@AdrianChazz]

I would like to thank Ryan Connolly and FilmRiot for introducing me to the amazing 'shwoodmaster over here years ago... That was one of the funniest episodes. Glad to tag along.

[@TheEraihiryuu]

Jason Murphy, War Wrestler....badassness, I fully support this idea. **nods**

[@timothywilliams8564]

Jason is a natural at this. He is getting at it easy

[@christopherabbott3484]

Yeah. Did you notice that choke he started to go for from the jujitsu training?

[@megahunter223]

I seriously love Jason so much. All the stupid little things he says all the time. He's my spirit animal.

[@googleisacruelmistress1910]

Interesting, I've only done Jiu Jitsu as far grappling goes but I can't help to notice how different the roll is, I was always taught to not roll directly on the spine as shown here but kind of to the side on the squishy parts to avoid potentially damaging the spine on the concrete, though it was a course mainly intended for cops, security guards etc so I suppose that they're teaching under a modernized context as opposed to back in the day when they layered their clothing as they would in this form of wrestling P.S. not a cop or anything just wanted to learn to flip people and stuff

[@douglasbaiense]

You can see Jason was having so much fun

[@christiansoto2652]

Y'all should try folk style wrestling, ik it's kinda out of your guys wheel house, but its fun. I wrestle for my school its difficult and awesome

[@bravelion2254]

I'm a highschool wrestler so wacthing this video was very interesting and almost helped me slightly with wrestling

[@antoniorick6297]

Brian was all ready for jui jitsu with the gi top on

[@citrus383]

You guys should make Hornets (basically a tiny millwall brick) they are really easy to make and you can feel it when you shoot someone with it using a rubber band.

[@tomjeff1743]

martial artists with a great sense of humor. refreshing.

[@ryans3194]

Reminds me of school wrestling a lot with sprawling especially , i sprawl a lot because I am a heavyweight

[@frey7631]

Yeah! These kind of episodes are my favorite!