Jedi Survivor Ending is Weird

[@tracemitchell5515]

I can’t believe Charlie beat the main villain first try. I of course mean Rick The Door Technician.

[@xingfira]

Do you have a time stamp I’ve been trying to find it for 5 minutes lol

[@dolfin5613]

@@xingfira 2:37:49

[@BlakeTimmonsArt]

And on the hardest difficulty bro

[@BOSS7871]

Lmao. Rick the door technician gets killed in .5 seconds

[@darthvader2241]

@@dolfin5613 thank you

[@Harbinger10892]

Their views were absolutely aligned UNTIL Cal thought about taking the Hidden Path there as well. The most important thing for Bode was that he and his daughter could escape the Empire and never be caught again. Bringing the Hidden Path meant that there would be an eventual conflict between them and the Empire - something Bode did not want for Kata under any circumstance. He was never loyal to the ISB or the Empire, but ultimately he simply lost faith in Cal.

[@mementomori771]

Exactly this

[@spartansquid5931]

My problem is Bode doesn't even attempt to explain that to Cal before gunning down Cordova and betraying everyone.

[@brothergarr2134]

@@spartansquid5931 i think thats the point he is so dead set on protecting kata that he doesnt care who he hurts as he considers cal his best friend but betrays him.

[@spartansquid5931]

@@brothergarr2134 Yes, but he could've explained his position. Him being deadset on protecting his daughter isn't a counter

[@brothergarr2134]

@@spartansquid5931 but...that is his position. Bode is acting irrationally and out of fear and the want for his daughter to have a safe life. when cal beats dagen and agrees with his idea you can see bode is doesnt like the idea and acts strange whenever cal brings it up. the game literally does explain it. he realises that if cal and the hidden path make an army of rebels and jedi on tanaalor that eventually the empire would find it. "and when they come will you be able to protect kata from the empire" is prettyclear on his position and cals silence is deafening cause he knows he cant guarantee katas saftey while bode just wants him and kata to live without looking over their shoulders. i honestly dont see bode as evil he is doing what he thinks in right to protect his family but is going about it the wrong way. we see cal giving into the dark side for the exact same reasons. bode was so deadset on protecting his daughter that reason flew out the window. People would do crazy and horrific things to protect the people they care most about

[@ghosticul]

at 6:16:20 charlie says "what's the alternative?" but the whole point of Bode being there alone was that he wasn't a threat to the empire, the empire has no desire to find him, but with the hidden path and cal there, that puts tanalorr as a major threat to the empire. It was so clear to me why Bode did what he did and I don't know why Charlie didn't understand.

[@rofl9808]

I don't think Bode would be safe because he wouldn't be a threat to the empire, but because it didn't know of Tanalorr and that he's there, that's why he led Cal to the ISB to attack their base. The hidden path would certainly lead the empire to Tanalorr eventually, causing it to no longer be a safe hiding spot for Bode and Kata.

[@quindarius_bingleton]

@@rofl9808 yea, Bode said that the ISB commander let him stay there as long as he was useful, and so Cal attacking the base and, (as Bode wanted) killing the commander would mean he was clear of suspicion of being a jedi.

[@upr_Krps]

Bode never really says that himself though, even though that would make a lot of sense. His only excuse for cutting off the Hidden Path was essentially "They're strangers, Cal. Wtf?" Honestly with all of the information Bode had on Tanalor, his best bet really was sticking with the Hidden Path at that point. Even if they were discovered after they built up an army, the empire still wouldn't have a way to touch them unless they knew about the arrays. Just feels like Bode killed a lot of people for no reason

[@Swimmys]

@@upr_KrpsI mean it’s true the best bet for him and kata would be to join the hidden path on tanalorr but people don’t always make perfect decisions and it’s clear his mind was dead set on being alone in tanalorr. And it’s pretty clear that he thinks the hidden path would draw attention, and all he wanted was a quiet life with his daughter, right or wrong, it doesn’t make it a bad ending. It makes sense even though he did act irrationally

[@upr_Krps]

​ @Swimmys his irrationality at the very end, when he was able to throw everyone for a ride the whole time, is what confuses me though. he was able to hide his sensitivity to the force from the jedi masters he works with while Kal is on Jedah; and from Kal himself, even while they were both fighting another powerful jedi who uses the force on them. what gets me the most is that, even with how ridiculous that sounds on its own, it would've made Bode so much more of a better character if it was just kept at that; him being a narcissistic sociopath who can twist the force like a tool to deceive other people. but then he completely loses his cool to it at the end. I just feel like the writers could of done so much differently to get everyone to Tanalorr. everything was fine up until after Cere's death

[@NTT1223]

Also the cutscene where cal mourns Cere visually was fuckin stunning. That little segment of the game. The twist, chase, scripted loss, and Vader fight was so fucking crazy

[@Hello-yx2ux]

Both scenes where he mourns for cere are like actually amazing

[@jeriah4k218]

W take sir

[@jakubjakistam9137]

god fuck i scroll down to comments for one second

[@michaelocegueda4579]

@NTT1223 I had a theory about that. To me it looks like cal started to mourn when the background change to gray and to me it reminded of how cal can use the force to witness people last moments and that’s what I think that happen to cere

[@Dylbz-ne8st]

⁠@@jakubjakistam9137why would you scroll down though before watching it

[@thebleachbartender1312]

Charlie is the only person I've seen having a problem with the ending. It makes sense why he doesn't want a preparing army next door to his daughter and a possible warzone if the Empire ever caught wind of it, especially if Vader or even the Emperor was made aware of an new possible Jedi Order. Cal wants to continue the fight with the Empire while Bode doesn't want to but they both want the same place which is where the conflict comes from. It seems like a really easy thing to understand but Charlie getting stuck on that is strange.

[@DumAzzFairy]

Bro could have been bestfriends with the new yoda and had a small army of jedi as fucking babysitters and only threw it away because herp derp writing hard

[@alexmelling5261]

​@@DumAzzFairy Because the Jedi were obviously so effective at winning the first time

[@TommFoolery]

@@alexmelling5261 What are you talking about? There wasn't even a war, it was a massacre lmao. The jedi never even had a chance to attack. Why do you think Palpatine planned for Order 66. He knew he couldn't win against the jedi in a fair war.

[@alexmelling5261]

@@TommFoolery Doesn't change the fact that the Jedi lost. They already couldn't beat the CIS and that was with the backing of the Republic. They failed to detect Palpatine's schemes, and now the Empire is far stronger than either side in the Clone Wars. Cal's plan is a complete gambit, and the smallest mistake could lead to exactly what happens in the game- Vader shows up with a planet's worth of troops and stomps the neo-jedi once again. Bode has every reason to not want his daughter caught in the crossfire when that goes down

[@siprianoandrews122]

@Alex melling you're hilarious

[@W1zardWhiz]

This just reinforces my believe that when streaming a game like this a good 30% of the story narrative is gonna be lost or missed just cuz of lack of attention and multitasking with chat

[@imposterimo946]

He’s always had issues with that. Like for example in TOTK when talking about the story he said it wasn’t good but also admitted to just not seeking out the dragon memories which is the whole point in the story. I mean the stories not that good but Charlie half the time doesn’t pay attention in stories. Like when asking why the characters in gow don’t trust Odin.

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

Makes sense. I personally thought it should've gone differently too. Cal already discarded the holocron giving up his dream in the first game. I thought "he says aloud he sees Dagan as a sign to stop, why doesn't he?" Plus, I felt Bode was just mirroring Anakin, being possessive and aggressive for someone in his life.

[@coffinboy556]

Charlie was talking about how Cal or Merrin didn’t sense Bode had the force and how they couldn’t tell he was a Jedi throughout the whole entire game

[@moustafaabousalem1411]

I think the reason why he didn't want to give it to the hidden path was because it was going to be their new HQ, where they train new Jedi. So it wouldd eventually get discovered so that's why he didn't want to give it to them.

[@mementomori771]

It's super obvious

[@moustafaabousalem1411]

@@mementomori771 Yeah. No idea why Charle didn't realise this. I love charle but he sometimes has the habit of jumping the gun because he either missed some details or misunderstood something. It's like dying light 2's ending where spoilers: he thinks that lawan survived despite her dying because Hakon is dead. He also thinks the choices didn't matter even though they did matter. He just got the shittiest ending nd didn't look up the others.

[@imambrose6339]

plus bode was blinded by the dark side

[@adzbat33]

Yeah exactly! The more people know about it, the more dangerous the place becomes therfore it becomes more dangerous for Bode and Kata. He was blinded by both the dark side and love for his daughter. It was a very good ending, not as climatic as the first but still very good.

[@wakeupzeke]

@@moustafaabousalem1411 he just wanted a reason to not like the game

[@ImShelly.]

I thought the ending motive was extremely clear and also very realistic. It's exactly how I would imagine a real father would act out of irrational fear mixed with love for their child in the midst of danger. In his head, he was perfectly fine with going to Tanalorr with just him and Cal, but then Cal offered the planet to the hidden path, which is one of the biggest targets for the empire (so much so that Vader showed up personally). That is when his fear kicked in. He knows that with the hidden path on Tanalorr, the Empire would eventually find it and invade it (just as the invaders in the beginning of the game did to Dagan). While his actions were irrational, they are completely understandable when you think of his point of view.

[@shotwell25]

I mean what do you expect. Charlie didn't even pay attention to the cutscenes. he read chat during 90% of them. He didn't look at most echos either. He doesn't care about the story, yet still complains about it.

[@Frostburn2716]

@@shotwell25 Charlie doesn’t do well with story games that have cutscenes in general. Dude’s focus turns off and he just burps and reads chat during important exposition.

[@shotwell25]

@@Frostburn2716 especially with game narratives, or narratives he doesn't care about in general, like Starwars

[@benimarusasaka9127]

@@shotwell25 i noticed thath too with alot of popular youtubers or streamers, most of them just keep reading chat or talk during cutscenes. It's honestly exhausting.

[@shotwell25]

@@benimarusasaka9127 I mostly just trim through these to get his impression and see his reaction to certain moments, but yeah it's pretty much impossible to take their belief or criticism about the games story seriously

[@Shocktimus989]

I get Charlie's stance on the twist, but as many others point out in the comments, the risk for his daughter is so much higher when you have the network of Rebels and Jedi like the Hidden Path is. He also mentions how if they all stayed on Tanalorr, the Empire wouldn't find them without the compass or the array, but we see in one of Dagan's flashbacks that the Nihil showed up in mass force, presumably without either. It would only be a matter of time before the Empire found it, especially with the greatest pilot in the galaxy as a sith lord. The more refugees go to Tanalorr, the more attention it gets from the Empire, the more risk Kata is in, and the more unhinged Bode becomes. EDIT: I've recently found out about the Nihil's ability to hyperspace jump to anywhere they well please, which is really cool! But even with that, I still believe it's definitely a matter of when and not if the Empire could show up to Tanalorr if they devoted the right resources to it, once they discover how vital it is to the Hidden Path.

[@Charolette21]

The Nihil point would work for Bode IF he had the same history/memory reading power Cal has, but he probably doesn’t. He’s functioning with the same logic of the father in Cormac McCarthy’s The Road, he trusts nothing but his own incredibly flawed gut instincts.

[@mementomori771]

We don't even know how the Nihil got there though they could've just stolen a compas like Cal guessed

[@Shocktimus989]

@@Charolette21 That is really up to whether or not Cal told him, as well as what Cordova said about them (I can't exactly remember the context of that). Regardless, him knowing that the Jedi were on Tanalorr, but something went wrong is an idea enough. But I totally agree that Bode is really operating purely on instincts that have been corrupted by the dark side.

[@Shocktimus989]

@@mementomori771 Very true! I'm sure there's lots of various force echoes and scans that provide insight on it, but I'm not capable of playing the game to find out myself unfortunately. Considering the dozens of ships that all showed up around the same time leads me to believe the Empire could to without too much guidance

[@Charolette21]

@@Shocktimus989 I wouldn't even use the "corrupted by the darkside" excuse, he's just an overly skittish parent and it's nowhere near a good enough excuse to fuck over the galactic underground railroad. A 'maybe it could go wrong' is not a good reason to do what he did, it's Murphy's Law moronically applied.

[@publicthrone1496]

"Ending" mf this is 6 hours long

[@legohunter1020]

The game takes about 3 to 4 days to complete. 🤷

[@chainsawboy2388]

@@legohunter1020it’s like 13 hours dude

[@legohunter1020]

@@chainsawboy2388 Unless you like to explore games like this like I do.😅

[@coffinboy556]

@@chainsawboy2388 you’ve earned the no life trophy💀

[@Azemys]

this is why i always take any review charlie makes about a game with a extremely small grain of salt, dude jumps to conclusions about damn near everything, without doing any type of logical thinking

[@Tienshinhan566]

100%

[@tonypringles2285]

yeah, seems to be good with decisions and opinions in real life but with games hes always so wrong

[@Tienshinhan566]

@@tonypringles2285 even in real life his opinions have been so wild have you seen his dubbz opinion bro got so much backlash he had to make a backup video n clarify his reasons hes just gone from a funny dry humor gamer to a drama queen who litteraly calls his channel his diary 💀

[@francisoffilth7953]

@@Tienshinhan566his take on Idubbbz was perfect lol idubbbz sold out his own audience to appease his wife and then acted as if he did something wrong back then lmao Charlie has had plenty of bad takes but his on Idubbbz was spot on

[@Rufus1318]

he also sucks at the game lmao

[@operationorigins4714]

3:16:20 is the moment their views diverged. Bode just wanted a place for his daughter to be safe but Cal wanted to use Tanalor for the hidden path, to train to fight the empire. But with the way things are, they would be found eventually.

[@2xRainb0w]

Charlie didn’t pay attention lmao

[@stephencurry4835]

3:26:19 was the tipping point.

[@quindarius_bingleton]

Charlie said "the empire would have no way to get them there" but Bode literally had the holocron saying "activate the arrays as an alternative" in his room. This is why I don't usually watch Charlie's streams of games.

[@Meowtro]

I don't know why Charlie is so stubbornly stuck in his view when he's dead wrong. He must not have been paying attention at all. Bode was planning on escaping to Tanalorr with Cal and the others until he wanted to give it to the Hidden Path - who would be ferrying in and out refugees and military assets constantly, which would draw attention to Tanalorr. And Bode also didn't want to start an army to fight the Emprie, he just wanted a safe place to settle down with his daughter and friends.

[@Frostburn2716]

Charlie just reads chat and burps during all the cutscenes, and can’t accept when he doesn’t grasp the story.

[@Joespart9010]

@@Frostburn2716 bro this made me laugh so hard

[@stephencurry4835]

@@Frostburn2716 “pee break gimme 2 min”

[@Omega31716]

He’s always like this, just stubborn in general but I don’t watch his streams much anyway because I could watch someone actually talk and be interested in the game or just watch with no talking and then there’s Charlie aka no reaction burp blaster

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

That makes sense. Tho, I thought things could've gon differently too. I thought it was that Bode was also being possessive and aggressive to mirror Anakin. And Cal knew he would be like Dagan if he didn't stop. Like, he let go of the holocron and his dreams in the first game so i thought why is this much different? He could've stopped when he knew Bode wasn't sharing

[@mementomori771]

Charlie guesses the betreyal but then ignores all the reasons for it lol

[@nuggetmaster5181]

It wasn’t a good reason.

[@locoartsuu9607]

@@nuggetmaster5181 it wasnt a Good reason but it was a good one.

[@kawishii3528]

@@nuggetmaster5181 hows it not a good reason lol

[@GeorgeDroyd1998]

@@locoartsuu9607 it wasn’t at all. It was just to give ea more reasons to be like “see? More characters did actually survive outside the original movies”

[@Meowtro]

@@nuggetmaster5181 it was for a good reason though, they had a plan and Cal changed the plan. It was supposed to be a safe haven, not a military outpost.

[@HybridHumaan]

2:37:47 RIP to Rick, the best door technician i have ever known ❤

[@deccy_boi5569]

The Hidden Path are literally some of the most wanted group of people to the Inquisitors, being pretty obvious because literally Vader showed up to deal with Cere. They escaped so they were still going to be hunted and them going to Koboh and Tannalore would definitely give them time to hide, it would eventually be discovered. Bode's reasoning is still completely vile but it's because he wants to be 100% sure that the empire wouldn't come looking for them. Two Jedi living there lives out in a place no one can find? Not a problem. A new place for the Jedi to train and possibly become a threat to the Empire again? Definitely worth searching for and eliminating ASAP. So... it makes sense to me.

[@ChadKing69]

Vader only came for Cere because Bode requested him to

[@2xRainb0w]

@@ChadKing69 ???? Why wouldn’t Vader go after the Jedi that escaped him and hasn’t found since? Inquisitors haven’t got the job done on this group so he took matters into his own hands.

[@ChadKing69]

@@2xRainb0w Vader would see it as a trap

[@flamebreaker7318]

​@@ChadKing69yes because vader would be like yes sir bode sir I'll attack cere right away no dipshit there was a group of jedi so you send your jedi killing sith lord to handle it

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

That makes sense. I also thought it was also that Bode was also being possessive and aggressive to mirror Anakin. And that Cal could've just stopped chasing the planet when he realized Bode wasn't sharing. Like, he let go of the holocron and his dreams in the first game so i thought why is this much different?

[@jacksoncabrera7236]

I had a feeling this game was going to have the return of the jedi type ending. I never expected cere or cordova to die. What a cliff hanger. Cant wait for Jedi 3

[@dylface3439]

how is it a return of the jedi ending?

[@jacksoncabrera7236]

@@dylface3439 In returned of the Jedi after Vader turned back into Anakin and died Luke put his body on fire after he layed him down.

[@ScantaniouslyCombust]

it's more like Empire strikes back. It has a sad ending. Next game might have the ROTJ ending.

[@jacksoncabrera7236]

@@ScantaniouslyCombust Now that I think about it that kinda works because it also felt like they loss and won at the same time. Im curious to see where the story goes in the next game.

[@theelderworm9134]

I've been expecting Cal to die at the end for the last 2 games

[@JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens]

Bode didn't want Tanalor to become a place to train an army to fight the Empire. He betrayed Cal the moment Cal made that suggestion

[@andresmarking8382]

3:34:09 it’s so cute how cal hugs bd-1 to protect him from the blast I can’t believe there’s no comments about it

[@javiartem]

yeah cal was literally willing to put his life down for bd1 right there and cere saved them, it really shows how much cal loves bd

[@bongjovi94]

It's crazy how things are better when you actually pay attention.

[@2xRainb0w]

Charlie every 5 seconds: *looks at chat and talks to them* Also Charlie: “ummm I would believe bode felt that way if he actually said something, did I somehow miss it? No he didn’t say that you’re making it up”

[@bongjovi94]

@@2xRainb0w watched the whole playthrough; dude didn't pay attention to anything. He was constantly lost throughout the story because he didn't pay attention.

[@2xRainb0w]

@@bongjovi94 yep lol

[@NGBH]

I think it was more that bode didnt want cal to take the hidden path there,since he told bode after they fought dagan that he wants to train new jedi there to fight the imperials,which would mean that eventually theyd be at much more risk of imperials finding out where tanalorr is than if they just went by themselves (since theyd frequently be entering and exiting tanalorr to do guerrila attacks on the empire)(bode and cals families,group.)

[@razvan8292]

I think he just wanted to end wars to secure his daughter’s future. Think about: if there are sides, then there is war; if there is war, there is danger. If there is only Empire then there will be no conflict at all. So he wants to finish jedi because at this time they are more likely to fall than the empire

[@thegrunch6448]

Yeah but staying stubborn till the end and dying for it is still kinda dumb. At least when it was clearly over he could have yielded. There is no way dying because of his tantrum is better than at least trying to survive against the empire with his daughter.

[@mementomori771]

It's super clear Bode only betrayed them to Vader after Cal decided to give the planet to the hidden path ensuring the empire would eventually come for his family again Bode just wanted his family to be safe Cal wants to keep fighting his forever war

[@NGBH]

@@thegrunch6448 i mean i agree with you, but also its evident that bode was heavily,and i mean HEAVILY drunk on the dark side towards the end of their fight. He almost force pushes his daughter off a cliff,almost crushes merrins throat,he was off the deep end at that point.

[@thegrunch6448]

@@NGBH Hm yeah I guess that's true.

[@Gerry_Hannan]

Bode clearly suffers from anxiety. As soon as he found out about a bigger group coming with him, he did everything he could to stop it.

[@cartierclips1126]

Pretty sure every fucking Jedi to survive the purge has anxiety of the empire lol wtf

[@Gerry_Hannan]

@@cartierclips1126 true 😭

[@pluto9111]

Bro Charlie’s high key a complainer this is some of the best Star Wars content we’ve had in years

[@shotwell25]

Because he didn't pay attention to the narrative at all. Bodes motivation was crystal clear and his conflict with cal was presented to you perfectly. Bode wanted the entire planet for just him and his daughter to hide from the empire, cal wants to rebuild the Jedi order on it.

[@hectorle3784]

He doesn’t pay attention, I don’t think so. Bro missed the point of Bodes character

[@uliseto]

This is the problem with streamers, they have so many games to play so they just squeeze the content as fast as possible, missing half of the stuff, and taking everything at face value.

[@gotworc]

​@@uliseto yeah it's pretty annoying they don't critically think about anything because their too busy multitasking and trying to entertain. Which is fine but i just think it's fucking stupid to then give a review on a games story when you don't even remember half of it. Then like half of the audience repeats that sentiment.

[@SASU_Z]

The reason Bode didn’t want the hidden path was because he knew that as long as they come along there wouldn’t be a safe space in the galaxy for his daughter.

[@swisstikkie9583]

That’s just a bad take. Bode clearly didn’t want Cal to take the hidden path there because he just wanted an escape for him and for his daughter, where as with Cal and the other guys would catch imperial attention eventually and a potencial conflict where him and his daughter can get hurt, and he was well aware of that. Maybe the execution and dialogue could have been better but it makes perfect sense.

[@Generic-usernam3]

*imperial

[@swisstikkie9583]

@@Generic-usernam3 ☝️🤓

[@erodoujinshilover2811]

It doesn't make any sense at all wdym there goals were aligned all along to get to tantalore and be safe it doesn't matter if they have a bigger group or not

[@swisstikkie9583]

@@erodoujinshilover2811 you are just regurgitating what Charlie said without actually listening or understanding the point

[@erodoujinshilover2811]

@Swiss Tikkie no bro you didn't disprove anything and he is right. Bode wanted to go with cal until the hidden path came along but that apparently made the difference despite the fact that the empire would chase them down even without the hidden path because cal is one of the strongest Jedi in the galaxy

[@Tumbleflop]

I went into this game blind and I knew pretty much from the moment he mentioned his daughter that Bode was gonna either turn traitor to protect his daughter or die. When he survived the final fight with Dagan I knew he'd be revealed as a traitor very soon.

[@idestructiiion974]

The twist is that he's a jedi, nobody saw that coming

[@Tumbleflop]

@@idestructiiion974 Yeah, that was the main "Oh shit what the fuck" moment

[@loganwendigo937]

I don’t see why Bode’s choices don’t make sense? He was an imperial spy that infiltrated the Hidden Path pretty easily Of course he would be scared of the same thing happening if the Hidden Path was set up on Tanalorr

[@bestaatroxeuw]

but if the hidden path is set up on tanalorr how can an imperial spy find their way there. If they are already in the hidden path how would they signal the empire. dont they need some sort of key?

[@erodoujinshilover2811]

Bro why does it matter they set up in the game that no one can get to tanalore so what if the hidden path has bad security the empire can't get there even if they wanted to

[@loganwendigo937]

All the empire needs to do is have a spy in the hidden path the have like Vader follow them with the compass.

[@brothergarr2134]

@@erodoujinshilover2811 its paranoia and a fierce protection of his daughter. and its not about the bad security of the hidden path, its the fact that them and cal would be fighting the empire still so there would a target on them and the empire would try to get to tanalor which would put bodes daughter in danger as he says at the end of the fight

[@locoartsuu9607]

@@erodoujinshilover2811 No one can get to Tanalor WITHOUT the compass, unless you risk it like the Mantis did. If any Imperial gets compass info, Tanalor's over.

[@lucianoarebalo41]

Woah I mean charlie is the only person I’ve seen have a problem with the ending, I thought it was great

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

@Bottlife 240 funny conclusion when looking at someone who’s making a living talking about what other people think. Specially the drama content, quite contradicting for someone who supposedly “only looks inwards”.

[@Mikx100]

How is kidnapping a shocked daughter of a guy you brutally just shot a great ending?

[@thain2575]

I think the point of the hidden path is helping smuggle random people away from the empire (like in Kenobi) . Bode knew how easy it would be for the empire to get the location of Tanalorr through agents and spies (considering he himself is a spy, it make even more since). At first he was fine with him, his daughter, and the mantis crew staring a new life for themselves and never looking back. But once Cal started taking about smuggling random people onto the planet Underground Railroad style, he figured the best chance for him and his kid to NEVER be found is for only the two of them to go, thus leading to his betrayal.

[@uliseto]

Thought the same, it would he SUPER EASY to infiltrate Tanalorr

[@SirBlueberries]

Charlie’s Overall Reaction summarized into one word: 2:01:21

[@blur8163]

That one person was right this really is gonna be a let’s play channel

[@idontknow5468]

Not really this is more of a vod channel than a let's play

[@a--...--.--45]

honestly quite like it

[@personrod2973]

Not really from time to time charlie makes some of the same content that he would on his main account

[@gobackpls3029]

No it’s not lmao

[@NartOfficial371]

It’s Charlie’s channel. He literally makes whatever the hell he wants.

[@fwooshmcgibbens3282]

It would’ve been more immersive if Dagan would reflect all blaster bolts while his block is up. It feels cheap that you can just shoot at a trained Jedi and land shot after shot without it being reflected. Also would have been cool to hear him comment about Cal using a blaster.

[@xwhiteninjazz3203]

Have you considered that hes being shot by a trained jedi

[@YoutubeHandIe]

@@xwhiteninjazz3203 jedi can predict where a blaster bolt is going to be, no amount of jedi training can change the fact a jedi can still just know where the blaster bolt will be and block accordingly

[@guankzmm4176]

@@KZbinHandIe actually it can, canonically Vader and bens last fight was mostly in there head, mental force battle about where funny blaster go make sense

[@friccle_]

Theres a force Echo on Koboh that’s Bode practicing what to say so he didnt have to betray them, but then Cal insisted on them bringing the Hidden Path there, which would mean eventually the empire would figure out how they keep going in and out of Tanalor

[@MikeB-ox7vq]

The thing with Bode is he is really only working for Denvik sorta off the books from the rest of the empire. Bode was being hunted by the inquisitors, and Denvik offered him and Kata safety in exchange for working for him as a spy. So I don't think Bode could have just gone to Tanalorr with the group without Denvik finding out (he probably had a way to track Bode down should Bode try to get away) and sending Vader/the inquisitors after him. So thats why Bode let Cal track him to the base so that Cal could take out Denvik, and Bode could completely disappear to Tanalorr without the Empire knowing. I think the dialogue could've been better to explain all that out, but it certainly makes sense.

[@harrisonklette]

It was actually bode that offered help for denvik. I thi k it was the hidden path would have gotten noticed by the empire if they kept going back and fourth to tanlorr

[@harrisonklette]

It’s just in an echo Bode makes the offer to Denvik

[@mementomori771]

There's echos you can find post game that explain further bode went to denvik because they worked together during clone wars

[@swiftchancellor159]

Charlie, if cal brings the hidden path there the empire will follow eventually. How is that so hard to understand?

[@locoartsuu9607]

Charlie and the stream were so irritating to hear because of how much they kept missing Bode's point. I hate it.

[@jinxxed1524]

fun fact: when vader fights with one hand, he's toying with his enemy. when he uses both, its a sign that he views his enemy is a worthy opponent

[@corvusishere3071]

FUN FACT: The guy who voiced Bode was the voice of Charles Smith in Red dead 2

[@sweatybattlefrontplayer715]

Ohhhhhhhh i can see that. His voice is typically calm and smooth but gets aggressive in some situations, that’s why was so familiar sounding.

[@thegamingbrayden9875]

Bro ppl be hating for literally no reason, the story was good all the way through

[@kanavkohli794]

generally charlie is a very bad judge of story...so no surprises there plus looking at stream the entire time and missing half the plot then saying "the game has no story"

[@stephen8805]

The ending was awesome. No idea what Charlie is smoking.

[@sweatybattlefrontplayer715]

He seriously pisses me off around 5:12:15, he is just so unhappy to be fighting the enemies. “Why do you keep hitting me?!” Critikal my guy, tis the point of the game, THEY ARE ENEMIES! He gets all worked up when he actually has to play thru the game instead of speed running it. It is a $70 game with story to it, what do you expect? Truly not enjoyable to watch him play anything like this, given how single minded and unappreciative he can be at times.

[@arjun8883]

Even I hated this section ,towards the ending many mob enemies werre mandatory which got frustrating

[@JustMitchyNo.9]

I definitely felt Charles's pain on that vader fight. So difficult yet incredibly Enjoyable. There's something about fighting vader as a boss in video games that just makes it so hype!

[@MorallyDubiousFrog]

@Magpiecage it makes sense for him to be here. Cere is a Jedi master who escaped him previously, he’d definitely show up for her.

[@JohnSmith-kv7cz]

Plus the music was incredible during the cutscenes

[@willisstillhere8846]

@Magpiecage Ironic since some people who didn't like Bode wanted Vader to be the final boss Plus he is a jedi killer. Makes sense since there was a jedi to kill(actually 4 jedi)

[@jeroen3618]

The choices Bode made, actually make a lot of sense once you understand his character. There are plenty of people in real life that make bad choices because they simply no longer have the capabilities to perceive the world around them with a rational mind. You can’t apply a rational way of thinking to someone who acts completely irrational. Bode, like Cal, was completely alone after the purge, making him extremely paranoid (also like Cal). And just like Cal he found someone that he cared about deeply, only for him to lose that person. At this point his only purpose is to protect the one person he still has left, his daughter. He doesn’t trust anyone but himself to protect her and he goes to extreme lengths to do so. With every atrocity he committed he became more and more paranoid, until he just couldn’t think rationally anymore. Anyone and everything is a potential threat to his daughter. You can see a similar way of thinking develop in cal after losing so many people in this game. He executes those he believes a threat to the people he cares about. Something he never did in fallen order. I expect that Cal will struggle to stay sane in the next game, since things will only get worse.

[@Dp_is_Op]

The real villains of the story are fear of loss and anger

[@tracemitchell5515]

Wrong. It’s Rick the Door Technician.

[@Zach_TheGamer]

4:16:50 I’m sorry, but just look at how huge Vader’s hands are in comparison to Cere (I have no idea why this is funny to me, but it just is) 😂

[@chiefnotit418]

ending made this game a spiritual experience. more than it already is

[@cartierclips1126]

I couldn’t stop smiling once I saw what bode did and then my jaw dropped even further when he used the force

[@blkvnm6003]

I love Charlie but I wish he would read the force powers because jedi confusion is so OP

[@shotwell25]

Charlie you completely misunderstood the entire fundamental premise of Bode's character. I know youre usually all gameplay and little story, and i know you dont particularly care about starwars, but you cant just not pay attention and then complain when you dont understand a characters motive. Really disappointingly bad take.

[@blakeog2034]

He understood it just thinks it’s kinda dumb. As that’s the only way it makes sense is bode is a dumb ass

[@Lcgx]

the part where charlie gets stuck in the arena area at around 5:23:47 could’ve been so much easier if he explored and tried new force powers, like you can one shot purge trooper by picking up a group with lift and using the multishot with blaster.

[@Lcgx]

there is also a perk i think zee sells that recharges ultimate with stims, = more dark side usage

[@THEFATPOTATOE]

Umm yeah actually 🤓🤓 you could tried new force moves 🤓🤓🤓🤓

[@Lcgx]

@@THEFATPOTATOE you’re the person complaining that its to unfairly difficult on grandmaster huh

[@Mote.]

When Charlie said "Hold down the fort, guys" to the hacked droids while he was leaving on the elevator

[@mdbsonic5772]

The Rick Door Technician boss fight starts at 2:37:48

[@HeSnappedTho]

thank youuu i was actually looking for it lol

[@fawzanahmad9781]

When does it end? He seems to have been stuck for ages

[@mdbsonic5772]

@@fawzanahmad9781 it’s worse then the Ogdo Boss….freaking crazy.

[@ahumanlearner]

I feel like they kind of missed out on Degan. He never really seemed to be as imposing as the story suggested, and he died pretty unremarkably. Aside from that, and my mixed feelings on Bode's motives and logic, this story explored a lot further than the first game did. The inclusion of Vader also felt a little weird with him just leaving at the end, but I think it was a good way to send off Cere, which was probably his main purpose being included in the first place. Overall, Pink Poncho/10

[@Spud1210]

I agree on Dagan, he was a really cool character who kinda got sidelined and ignored for a few hours, only to die crying and whining about Tanalorr. However, I’d like to counter the other two points. firstly, Bode’s motives make total sense when you consider the context; he was a jedi who survived the purge, then lost his wife and is in constant fear for his daughter, who is all he has left in the galaxy. That’s enough to drive a normal man to do some terrible shit, but for a jedi, it is a 100% one way trip to the dark side, which we know clouds a jedi’s judgement entirely, encouraging selfish deeds at the cost of everything around them, and even their own future wellbeing. In Bode’s mind, everything he was doing was justified under the protection of his daughter, as the dark side of the force literally warps your mind to believe what you’re doing is right, despite all evidence to the contrary. And even without that, I don’t think Bode’s motives were that ridiculous anyways; he wanted to keep Tanalorr for himself and his daughter, with Cal as well at a push. The last thing he wanted was to invite the Hidden Path, the Empire’s most wanted, who he knows will eventually lead to a conflict with the Empire, and thus putting his daughter in peril. And regarding Vader, it makes sense that he would personally come down to deal with a potential resurrection of the jedi order, as well as a known surviving jedi who has survived him in the past (actually two counting Cordova, who the Empire didn’t know was dead yet). However, the point about him leaving is actually not that outlandish, as his job was practically done at that point; he’d killed Cere and the majority of the Hidden Path, Cordova was dead, and the archive destroyed. Vader wasn’t really there for Cal, but even if he originally was, it makes sense that he would abandon that mission due to his injuries, and him knowing Cal has made himself a pretty tough force user in recent years, so he probably thought it best to leave it for now.

[@nickname2117]

@@Spud1210yeah dude it’s not even that complicated of a concept idk how that’s hard to grasp for some people you explained all of it well though

[@randomcontent2247]

Charlie really did not learn or adapt to rayvis in any way possible through all his attempts 😂

[@cs82271]

Although this ended on a weird note, I'm confident enough that the trilogy will end well. As long as they keep Cal as the main character, and end his story with something like Kata becoming a jedi after being Cal's padawan. Of course, sadly, Cal has to die in the end. I'm feeling similar vibes to Logan, that really somber wolverine movie. Mostly dark and hopeless, but ends fantastically

[@NGBH]

nah,enough of the bleak "oh master is dead" type of stories. have a story where padawan and master actually just stay as alive padawan and master. we have already had way too many of the same trope. Kannan and Ezra,Luke and Obi/Yoda,Anakin and Obi,etc. go against the trope for once,i think it would turn out way better. (plus we already had that trope with cal/Jaro tapal and now with SPOILERS Cal/Cere.)

[@unincognito3689]

"Of course, sadly, Cal has to die in the end." why? if you're saying this because of Yoda's line in Episode 6. We've already gone through this with Ezra, and technically also gone through this with Ahsoka. People always say that all the Jedi have to be dead for that line to make sense. No it doesn't, they can still be alive but if they're inaccessible or Yoda doesn't know about them then the line still makes sense for the situation they are in. Yoda tells Luke that because he is the only one capable of confronting Vader. Ezra, Cal, Merrin, Kata, Ahsoka, Jacen being alive doesn't change that.

[@jimbojigs368]

Considering that fact that there is gonna be a TV series set after the third which will have Cal I somehow doubt he will die.

[@thegoat2959]

I think cal will turn to the dark side for half of the next game. Then he will turn back to the light

[@unincognito3689]

@@jimbojigs368 that is not confirmed its rumours

[@peterlucus2062]

Anakin had almost the exact same motivations as Bode, blinded by the Dark Side and trying to protect his loved one disregarding logic in the process. Regardless of agreeing or disagreeing with his mindset, his mindset was that the Hidden Path and the Jedi would jeopardize the secrecy of Tanalorr. Vader and the inquisitors were specifically hunting the hidden path as well, as we know from Kenobi, which also in his mind puts Kata at great risk and he would know that due to the ISB. The force essences show that Bode tried to give Cal multiple chances, and was willing to take Cal's family to Tanalorr with himself and Kata. But the moment that Cal introduced building a civilization like the Jedi order and hidden path, Bode went against him and every time Cal mentioned it he looked mad. Adding more people to the population of Tanalorr intrinsically adds risk to his daughter. Way more so than if Cal and the crew were the only ones to use that as their home, think about how much traffic it would bring to the Empire's attention when dozens of ships, supplies, communications, etc. are going to and from Tanalorr. Cal's plan intrinsically put the secrecy and safety of Tanalorr at risk, but it was still the best option for those who are persecuted by the Empire. Look at what happened in the high republic era with Tanalorr, the Nihil invaded out of nowhere and drove the Jedi out even though it was supposed to be secret. He was afraid of history repeating itself, seems to make sense to me. Instincts of a parent to protect their child are immeasurable, especially when blinded by the dark side.

[@degenerategamer299]

I’m completely baffled that not only did Charlie not understand Bodes betrayal, but no one in chat did either. The Hidden Path were NEVER going to Tanalor. Their plan was to remain on Jedha, and send any survivors they found to Tanalor. You know, because that’s the whole point of their organization. Eventually the empire would have found the Hidden Path on Jedha, which would have led them straight to Tanalor. Tanalor was doomed. It was only a matter of time. That’s why Bode betrayed them.

[@himinthegulf9867]

It’s hilarious how his chat is giving him the answers to his questions and he gets so mad LMAO Childish behavior

[@dilboo]

i like Charlie but he definitely has never taken criticism or getting disagreed with very well.

[@peterlucus2062]

I think one of the only genuine complaints I have about the actual gameplay is the fact that it is so easy to fall to your death, even with jumps that ANY Jedi could EASILY make. A 15 foot drop is simple for a Jedi but because they want you to only go certain ways, they restrict the fun. Totally frustrating.

[@sweatybattlefrontplayer715]

Based. 99% of comments: Complaining about Charlie This comment: An actual grievance I have with the game too 😂. Like, there are so many situations where you SHOULD be able to land on your feet but game will just auto kill u, it’s so dumb. Still love the game tho

[@FierceDeity35]

I always like the Imperial infighting. Minister Tua competing with the Inquisitors. Thrawn throwing shade at Vader and the death star. And here, Vader going against Denvik, leading an army to Jedah ahead of schedule. Probably after learning that there were 4 surviving jedi on the planet.

[@JadeEvergreen_]

A six hour clip?? Are we sure this counts as a clip edit: this was a joke for anybody who couldn't tell

[@Authorized_Personnel]

This is Charlie's clip channel. The one he runs. Rules dont apply when its your own shit.

[@Nathanp4]

This one is clearly a twitch magazine not clip

[@cauliflowerbrocolli4638]

Damn bros being a stickler on KZbin XD

[@Authorized_Personnel]

@@Dan-Ky-Kang i was saying it doesnt matter if its a clip or the whole fucking stream because charlie uploaded it.

[@rustytusalem-hc3kt]

no, its called a magazine.

[@TheLi0nc0urt]

Spoiler: - - - And now Cal will have a jetpack in the next game.

[@naksu8473]

He flies now?!

[@Pleshie]

@@naksu8473 He flies now!!

[@sentry3019]

He better, or get some badass rocket boots from that chick that talks to you about bounties

[@naksu8473]

@@sentry3019 That would be very fitting yes.

[@ryanbaker5296]

I bet there going to Joel cal and make Kata the lead of next game

[@Zach_TheGamer]

4:05:54 That honestly is a great way to sum up Star Wars now

[@christian1648]

I think Charlie is so use to Disney Star Wars just blatantly saying their motivations because they can’t write interesting characters, that the nuance of bode doing what he was doing truly just went over his head. I don’t blame him Disney has put Star Wars in a shameful place but cmon homie 😂. These script writers can actually write interesting story’s with interesting motivations

[@joshpearce5874]

If you look at the stuff that they've released, Andor, Obi wan, Mando season 1 and 2, Fallen Order, Jedi survivor ect, they're pretty well written

[@christian1648]

@@joshpearce5874 obi wan was filled with contradictions brother.. and the only thing Disney did with the Star Wars games was censor them so they can get bought by a larger audience. Other then that the writers and directors are completely separate from Disney..

[@kellz9972]

High Republic IS Disney Star Wars tho.

[@christian1648]

@@kellz9972 high republic was legends content before Disney took over. There just doing what Disney does which is take it and change it and make it theirs. Which is fair enough. But it’s why I don’t ingest new high republic content. These writers for the game wanted to incorporate it into their story which is why gave it a chance, because these writers have proven they know how to write great Star Wars content. The only thing Disney had going for it was the mandolorian and as soon as Kathleen Kennedy started interjecting herself into the creative process the show started to dip in quality. Like with mando season 3. Don’t get me wrong I’m still a huge fan of mando but there’s a clear dip in quality from seasons 1 and 2 vs 3. You just can’t deny the drop off in Star Wars content since disney has taken over vs when George still owned it

[@kellz9972]

@Christian shut up. No one is talking about Legends, we are talking about what is in this game that you labeled as "Disney Star Wars" so I pointed out where he directly and explicitly said he liked "Disney Star Wars"

[@DocOckify]

I could tell at a certain point he wasn't even playing/finishing the game cuz he wanted to or to enjoy it. He was doing it cuz he felt obligated to since he was so far in. This is shown by him trying to speedrun through every fight and encounter and just hacking and slashing away, getting sloppy and dying repeatedly. Not paying attention and missing details and blaming the game/story cuz of his frustrations/no understanding why things happened the way they did. Like many people have said about why Bode did what he did. He can tell he doesn't have much time left in the game and is just trying to get through it and that's only causing it to take longer when he keeps dying.

[@selkie698]

How did charlie beat rick the door technician

[@dawnphantom2439]

None of your chat could think of the simple reason for the betrayal. After you beat Dagen, Cal suggests Bode join the Hidden Path to fight back against the Empire. It puts him off, because he's working for the Empire to keep his daughter alive. The reason he shot Cordova was to make Cal angry and find the Imperial base where he and his daughter lives because they would not simply allow Bode and Kata to casually just walk out and go on some random adventure. Cal had to destroy the base through anger to buy Bode and Kata a slim window to escape the Empire, whom he was beholden to. Now that he betrayed the Empire though, he knows Darth Vader is terrifying to be on the opposite end of, where he was working for him before the betrayal, although indirectly, until the attack on the Hidden Path. Tldr; His daughter was a hostage to the Empire, as long as he was useful. After the successful destruction of the Archive, he became not so useful and needed a way to get his daughter out.

[@pandasftw2218]

He kinda explains that he doesn’t want to hidden path there so the empire doesn’t look for tanalor even

[@MurreStone]

Bode isnt a Sith. He is nothing. The Lightsaber is the one from Dagan Gera.

[@horrorthat1min]

He is a Jedi survivor like Cal. Literally explains it all when they meet in the empire base and uses the force multiple times.

[@tehCostHD]

He’s a former Jedi.

[@supreme-3095]

He survived the purge so he was a jedi

[@MurreStone]

@@horrorthat1min yes he was. A force user is not immediately a Jedi or a Sith, that is what i mean. In jedi fallen order we had Taron Malicos he was a Dark Side User but not a Sith. Dark Jedi so to speak.

[@-p0izenedivy-289]

Wish he used his brain and payed attention to the story, would’ve made for some good content out of him

[@sweatybattlefrontplayer715]

Much agreed. He frustrates me with how unappreciative he is of cool stuff in the game. Doesn’t even look at anything, avoids having fun fights with enemies, just wants to speed run and finish the game. Has an L mentality

[@casper1937]

⁠@@sweatybattlefrontplayer715Everybody has different taste. Not everyone has to yell at the top of their lungs when Darth Vader walks into a room.

[@Zach_TheGamer]

I understand that Bode wanted somewhere safe for him and his daughter, but there are still so many things wrong with this. Does Bode expect Kara and himself to live on Tanalorr alone for the rest of their lives? Kara is eventually going to grow up and want to leave the planet because she won’t have any contact with anybody except her dad. They need food and other supplies that they are going to have to go off world for, but more than that though, they need connection with other people, which they don’t have when it’s just the two of them. So Bode is going to have to go off world which would leave Kata alone on Tanallor. If something happens to Bode off world, Kata is completely stranded on Tanallor with no way off. Also, going off world has risks and he could still lead the Empire to Tanallor. If the Empire does come to Tanallor and they are the only people there, they are for sure going to die. So, wouldn’t it be a much better idea for the Hidden Path to be there? If the Hidden Path was there, it would give them much more security and protection. There would be so many more people there which would help protect Kata. Also, the Hidden Path clearly knew how to stay hidden from detection, so having them there would ensure that they could build a societal system that allows them to remain hidden, but still go on and off the planet and remain hidden. There are many more benefits to having the Hidden Path there.

[@idestructiiion974]

The reason bode wanted to go alone is because Cal wanted to Attack the empire therfore declare war and automatically make tanalorr a target.

[@bobafett1313]

The infiltration part of the game where Cal wears the uniform makes no sense to me, wouldn’t the imperial forces on that station know what Cal looks like, especially with previous events of Cal being on that station and the station knowing he is there. With far superior technology compared to real life and no one knew what Cal looked like.

[@seeloffdoee]

Buddy really spent the entirety of the best cutscene just whining about Bode lol

[@-viscosity]

People seem to forget the fact that the High Republic discovered how to navigate the Koboh Abyss. Tannalore was never unreachable, the way to get there was simply lost to time. It could be a safe haven from the Empire, so long as they don't put in the effort to research it, which they certainly will do if they learn that the Hidden Path is there. That was the fear behind Bode's motivation, it sucks that so many people can't understand that.

[@MorallyDubiousFrog]

Tbf, the Republic only found a way through because Dagan pulled off basically a miracle when he found a safe passage through, which is what the High Republic put into the compasses. The only other way through is with the array, which is High Republic tech that broke halfway through a single trip. The Empire may eventually get through, but by the time they could bring any force to bear on Tanalorr, the Path would have already scattered. Not that it matters to Bode, the fact the Empire might come looking for it, no matter how successful, is enough to terrify him.

[@DavidSingleton-nk4sh]

He uses blaster stance, but never shoots

[@locoartsuu9607]

Cal saw both extremes, one where Tanalor will be a bastion to build a new army threat to the galaxy, and one where it's a safe haven, too safe that it's a secret to even the neediest of victims. He chose the balanced path.

[@adamj93]

Charlie refusing to understand the story is actually a bit tilting, lol. I watched his review first and after seeing the VODs and watching him talk during cutscenes, avoid force echoes at all costs, and I guess entirely ignoring the conversation Cal and Bode had after defeating Dagan, it's no wonder he doesn't understand Bode's reasoning or motivation. He even talks shit to a chatter at 5:37:00 that explains exactly what happened in that very cutscene Charlie ignored. He obviously didn't WANT to understand it for whatever reason. I definitely won't be taking his story reviews seriously from now on, I thought it was odd when he said the ending to this game doesn't make any sense....he didn't even bother paying attention to it.

[@lucianoarebalo41]

Man I really don’t like how Charlie skips every optional dialogue or path. I thought all optional interactions were done really well

[@fearoc2613]

An unusual bad take from Charlie. Dude just burps and farts the whole time and wonders why he doesn’t understand the story

[@shmangos8924]

i really wasnt expecting bodes betrayal i cant lie i actually trusted that mf

[@FierceDeity35]

I was sus about him at first, mainly because he was a merc, but after he was willing to help Greeze, stay with Cordova/Cere then support Cal and Merrin I trusted him. But then he sells them out, kills Cordova, bombs Cal and knocks him out.

[@blueflare3848]

I predicted it within the first hour of watching a playthrough.

[@kthatsit391]

I think it would have been just a little bit better if the reason Bode betrayed the group was because the Empire took his wife hostage and when he finds out later his wife is killed by the hands of the Empire, then he takes that moment to become overprotective of his daughter.

[@MorallyDubiousFrog]

Bodes daughter is being held hostage. If he stops being useful, the ISB stops protecting him and hands them over to the Inquisitors. Bode has spent years with that fear, and realizes Tanalorr is a place where he and his daughter can finally be beyond the Empire’s reach.

[@jdmells]

If I learned anything from Star Wars, it's that women lead men to the darkside

[@FierceDeity35]

Why do you think Jedi can't have attachments?

[@jplikethesauce]

I was of the opinion of bodes betrayal making sense. That the hidden path would endanger his daughter more than just the crew going there. Because an army on a hidden planet would be more threatening to the empire. But after hearing Charlie’s points, Bodes motive makes almost no sense at all. The hidden path would not endanger tanalorr any more than Cal, one of if not the most dangerous and powerful Jedi alive at this current time, being there, not to mention, if the empire did eventually find them anyway, it’s just stupid in of itself, because it would retcon the entire point of us even going to tanalorr in the first place

[@safwanmiah3773]

Thats what I was thinking, a lot of the comments are all on Bode's side saying that his motives make sense, but it rlly is just an irrational thought from fear and selfishness, which wasnt the best reasoning for his betrayal.

[@ghosticul]

What is your point with the "cal being there"? his original plan involved NOBODY being there besides him and kata, that just proves his point more? Cal being there would be a HUGE threat because like you said "one of the most powerful jedi alive at this current time" would be making tanalorr even more crucial for the empire to take down/hunt?

[@tonypringles2285]

it is the empire yo, and avder is the best pilot in the galaxy. if anyone could eventually find tanalor it would be the empire. either that or theyd just quarantine the area and never let anyone in or out

[@WonkerAd]

2:37:50 The craziest fight ever

[@nintendofan50]

This was literally the equivalent of that scene in Indiana Jones where the guy brings a sword to a gun fight.

[@lesliegrace1844]

Jedi, the family killing baby thieves. "Remember Obi when your opponent is down always double tap." - Qui-gon Jinn probably.

[@Skywalker-lz5qj]

I thought it was pretty clear that bode wanted a safe haven and cal wanted a place to train an army

[@iuel42]

Like the rest of the comments here I agree that Charlie definitely missed the Bode's point, however I think the fault lies in the writing. Bode makes makes it sound like he just doesn't want anyone else there, he talks about settling the planet with "a bunch of strangers", instead of adressing the core issue being risking the planet and safety of his daughter by bringing the attention from the Empire.

[@haighti8bro94]

No the strangers prt makes sense because bode was a stranger who gained cals trust which means another spy could use his hood heart as well that’s what he means by strangers

[@josephisafan]

kata not being beyond devastated that her father's killers have kidnapped her is the hardest thing for me to swallow

[@safwanmiah3773]

It kind of makes sense tho in a way. Shes young and easily influenced, Bode changed after her mothers death, and then he moved her to tanalorr which she didnt like and even tho he did it for her there can still be some resentment. Not too much Bode going all apeshit and villainous in the last part and almost hurting Kata.

[@josephisafan]

@@safwanmiah3773 respectfully i would go as far to say it makes zero sense. watching your dad (your sole living parent) get merc'd by two strangers you only just met and hardly batting an eyelid is not very believable. he clearly wasnt a monster to her - she wasnt like "please save me from my evil mean dad" or anything.

[@justkeepyappin]

Man it’s like Charlie was deliberately missing the point as to WHY Bode did what he did

[@mineshaftrisotto]

Wtf Charlie had absolutely no reaction to the dark side stance lol

[@AAurum-yy7rv]

Not Dagon calling Cal a failure for not stopping the empire as a literal child

[@Blackname51230]

Charlie's got a few points regarding the logic behind Bode's betrayal. Even if the Hidden Path were given the compass so they can get to Tanalorr together with Cal's team, how does the Empire get there? The arrays on Koboh maybe? But the game never showed us any signs of the Empire ever getting close to figuring them out. Furthermore, they seem to be decaying due to being left to the elements for so long so could we even speculate that they would work as intended for an entire Emperial fleet after what almost happend to The Mantis? And does the Empire even know about the arrays? Or for that matter, Tanalorr? I can't remember any time in the game where it was ever a race against them, only against Dagan and the Bedlam Raiders. If Bode fears the potential indirect threat of being on Tanalorr with an organisation wanted by the Empire, like the Hidden Path. Wouldn't the primary argument of assurance against that be something like this?

[@Thenormieking]

charlie didnt pay attention to the story at all. Bode only wants Kata to be safe anything that interferes with that is wrong and he rejects that. The hidden path is all that stands in the empires way as shown in Kenobi. Taking them with them would instantly make the planet a target. Bode knows this so he has to make it so only he and kata can get there. IE killing the only person who has a chance of making another compass

[@tyler-hp7oq]

He never really pays attention to cutscenes in story driven games lol. If he wasn't streaming, he'd probably skip them.

[@Assassinboy8084fun]

The way bd-1 was ready to throw hands with bode knowing that Cordova was his original master is so sad

[@mcm426]

I either missed something or am just dumb, how was Charlie so sure Bode was a traitor? Because ill be honest I didn't see it coming at all lmao

[@john_1986]

Charlie's lack of use with the blaster slightly annoyed me lol I use it all the time, makes everything so much easier.

[@kai0fdathomir534]

My prediction is that they’re going to get something going on Tanalorr. It’ll take decades. And when they’re ready they’ll come out of hiding to face the Empire only to find it’s long gone, and the First Order has also come and gone, and maybe Cal’s group merges with Rey’s at some point with that New Jedi Order movie coming up. Or maybe they don’t and just stay on Tanalorr. Who knows? 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@crisalday2228]

Rey happens like 30 years after this bro 😭

[@Azemys]

cal and crew can dip in and out of tanalorr at their will due to the compass not sure why they would stay on tanalorr the whole time

[@brandonjenkins723]

Empire is only around for another 15 years

[@dupitydoop]

Bode isn't stupid, he's right. If tanalor is safe from the empire then they won't be making a third game

[@Mikeygamer1]

RIP Rick :(

[@Kaito-1412.]

I was under the impression that Dagan had like possessed Bode during their final fight when he took him out of the fight, and that it was the obsession of being the only one with Tanalorr driving Bode at that point. But it was just him being really selfish I guess

[@haighti8bro94]

No he thought that with how easily he infiltrated the hidden path that the empire would do the same and find tanalorr it wasn’t selfish it was honestly a very good reason

[@ericlane3256]

1:26:20 for the funnies.