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[@sharkfang802]

The funny thing about saying that bedrock will outlast Java is that it will likely outlast Java in support from Mojang but in terms of community support it’s basically impossible due to how much more freedom there is in it.

[@TheNew1234_y]

Its not about that also, java has a big big community that can keep it alive for decades, these marketplace addons arent gonna last very long because they are limited, you must edit the main mc bedrock code to make Custom AI or you can make it with functions, but it is hard, so java wins no matter what.

[@GSBarlev]

Problem is if Microsol decides to yank the servers, not only will we have no skins and no authentication, but anyone who hasn't already downloaded the version of Minecraft they want to play will have to grab it from the High Seas.

[@orangetangyvideos]

​@@GSBarlev not sure about the other two issues, but people will definitely make custom skin servers. Just look at games like toontown online for example, communities will make things they love accessable again

[@CBY404]

I'd say if mojang got rid of java, some communities will make custom updates for it, and they would make it better than the mojang itself

[@worldspam5682]

​@@GSBarlev pirate java did solved all this long ago

[@melodydied]

The main problems with the marketplace is that most things aren’t good quality, they’re glitchy and game breaking, and cost more than they’re worth in a lot of cases. Mojang has an incredibly hard time controlling the quality of the base game, and it doesn’t seem like anyone puts time or effort into quality control of a lot of the marketplace things.

[@joshuasutherland6395]

Agreed

[@Drago7879]

@SeverenR-du9bl You can just download mods from websites for free just like you can in java. If you play on console though, then idk what you can do

[@bloodraege]

Fun part is i can't even download free ones it's stuck on 0mb...

[@Yukari_Yakumo]

And the mods break completely after the next minecraft update because they don’t get updated.

[@RRRR-jr1gp]

Can you refund marketplace purchases? Because if you can then that's OK imo, game stores like Steam, Epic and GoG don't do quality control (besides making sure there's no malware, which I hope MS is also doing here) but if you buy a broken/falsely advertized game you can refund it.

[@TheEngieTF2]

If the official add-ons are not as good as the fan-made ones, then obviously no one will be happy about that

[@joaocervi115]

A little bit Tiny Desk for me...

[@User92742]

Yup so many better creators making free addons than the marketplace

[@Petr-ix4mi]

hi

[@bluestonecreepr]

yeah

[@jconnor6791]

These are just the starter mods to set a starting point for other creators, these is not going to be the only mods (probably)

[@odobenusrosmarus9495]

What really bugs me is that Java mod devs can't charge money for their mods, but can on Bedrock. For example, the dev behind the Physics Mod had to make the pro version free or their mod would be taken down.

[@redshift739]

That protects us from shitty scam mods like you get on bedrock but it's a shame that legit mod creators can't get any compensation for their work

[@outregis]

So your in favor of a marketplace on Java? because that is what it would come down to. Marketplace creators get ~60% cut, the other 40% to Mojang. Otherwise, creators can have their files behind a subscription to the creator, but in no means suggest that they're buying them through that process.

[@outregis]

@@IIIllllIlllIIIIllllllIIIIII it is a very unpopular opinion for a marketplace on Java, everyone is fighting against it because they believe mods should be free. I like the access to free mods, but they've only ever been that way because it's infringement of the IP owner. I wish it would become a more popular opinion, because it also gives an avenue for mods being consistently updated as well.

[@oneplay5570]

@@outregis mods should always be free with an option to donate. Mod with money no one gonna use or buy, its unethical and just greedy.

[@oneplay5570]

are you this stupid mods should be free not paid mods

[@culegamer2030]

It’s annoying constantly hearing people call them mods when all the blocks they add are hacky workarounds made with entities. The whole reason java mods are so powerful is because you can actually modify the code and add your own code, by adding new classes and overriding other classes. If there’s something the modloader doesn’t let you do, you can implement it yourself and make it an api so that other people can use it. On the other hand, if there’s something bedrock addons don’t let you do you are stuck not doing it or making a hacky workaround that sort of does it.

[@sirmonkey049]

There's a furniture mod on bedrock that has usable things that are also blocks and not entities

[@ramyssou]

​@@sirmonkey049name?

[@jwalster9412]

I remember playing a free map on bedrock a few years ago, it was an official free map by Minecraft, and the one thing I hated was that they added details like lamp post and signs to the map, but they were literally just frozen entities you couldn't kill unless you went into creative and killed them with /kill. Alot of the maps on bedrock do this and it's very crude. Also 90% of them you can break and go into creative just by setting the random tic speed to 0 and removing the command blocks under the map that set your game mod to adventure. I did this several times and found out that the free maps are usually thrown together messes with a lot of broken and unfinished bits. If that's the quality you get from the free maps you can't expect any better from paid ones.

[@volonidminus]

I’ve always hated it, the way bedrock pretends to be open and better for creators but ends up being limited. Everything is just entities

[@nikeovsky]

There was a time when it was possible to modify the game thanks to the Blocklauncher

[@CryingARiver]

To me, it’s pretty weird. Growing up with Minecraft in what was largely single player, due to kinda being sheltered, makes the Marketplace, which is almost a live service in a way, very very odd. I just don’t like it.

[@craftman_yt]

What I'm about to say might be very weird. But... The main menu felt lonelier in the old Java days. It didn't feel like you were being bombarded with microtransactions. It never changed. It was familiar. Maybe that's it.

[@notknownlogic4161]

I still don't see bedrock as minecraft. Just a cheap nock-off cash grab.

[@forbiddenbox]

​@@notknownlogic4161that's what I'm saying! I still can't take bedrock seriouslu

[@henk4]

@@notknownlogic4161 it's innovative in some ways, but also just feels like a shell of Java. Really feels like you're just playing an approximation of actual minecraft in a way.

[@infinitivez]

I'd like bedrock better, if they had taken creating a modding API seriously and stuck an LUA backend into it, or something. But no, they still want to use java mcpack tech/formats for some odd reason.

[@ultraxenith]

Phoenix: sees hammer Phoenix: "... is that a gun?" edit: idk, it looks like a hammer to me, but it's definitelly not a paintbrush

[@AnimeGamerCreater]

I read this as soon at it happened

[@demonknight0412]

Im so mad that he didnt say what it accually was but that is typical of him for obvious stuff

[@chairocchi]

Might have thought it was an UZI 😂

[@demp11]

​@@chairocchiyeah I think so too is the only gun I can see in it

[@aadyashukla5758]

@@AnimeGamerCreater ya me too

[@02431]

Ah yes. Slowly turning into a well known evil corporation wich name i will not say but certainly starts with an E and ends on A.

[@nixel1324]

They don't need to turn into EA to be an evil corporation. They're already Microsoft.

[@funky555]

​@Forthakinemojang has control over the game. Bedrock is microsofts brainchild, Java feels different because jeb took over development when notch sold and he has a different view for the game. Thats literally it. Its just jeb for java

[@jwalster9412]

​@@nixel1324 all Microsoft needs to do is abbreviate and they are evil.

[@not_one_zer0162]

The one company that even John Riccitiello was too greedy with.

[@neaneoneunuo9651]

Ea? You mean Electronic Arts?

[@bumblebeegamerreal]

Reminder: Mojang has made a developer edition of minecraft that is locked to marketplace developers with useful featues that could have benefitted the modding community such as AI editing, placing structures and multiple F3 menus (if you press F3, you can cycle through about 5 different F3 menus that are more sophisticated than Java) Mojang lied to their audience that its not possible to achieve and implement the features, despite them implementing it smoothly in the dev edition When this version got leaked, Mojang and other marketplace accomplises (Compycraft, you know what you did. Compycraft falsely struck videos. IP Justice, you have striked discord servers and spied on people) falsely strike videos, despite only mentioning the existance of developer editions with various reasons such as "Using stylized logo", and music that they didnt own So, dont be surprised if they pulled a cash grab move like this. They literally locked a developer edition and gave it to marketplace partners. They tell you to sign an NDA as well Edit: While people say that Mojang does have rights to strike the versions for no reason, they should have been transparent about it with their community and they have stopped doing it after Antvenom posted his video

[@WhatIsMyPorpoise]

Never has Mojang said it was impossible. It’s rather that they hated the easy access to the debug menu. As someone learning to game dev myself, I do understand, F3 can become a crutch and you often don’t want to give players crutches that change the experience the way F3 tends to. A debug menu is after all a developer tool. Java has it because it started out being developed with the community so players needed it to test for stuff. But that isn’t really the state of affairs today. It does suck that the developer version isn’t really accessible, though. Definitely blocks some ability to get started out, although I suppose that’s what sites like MCPEDL are for… Nah, who am i kidding, they’re just getting Java modders to join, it doesn’t really feel like they’re thinking hard about how to give new modders an in to start learning addon development.

[@PacoReer]

​@@WhatIsMyPorpoiseNah, it's an excuse. They could easily implement the extra F3 info as part of "allow cheats", so it would be a tool instead of a crutch, and many other ways, but Mojang is at a state where they do the bare minimum for free just to shovel all their paid content

[@eliescobis9922]

you are all mistaken, mojang doesn't want to give f3 to bedrock players because babies don't understand it, remember mojang officially said that minecraft is a kids exclusive game that is also why they had beef with modders after Microsoft took over, Microsoft hates when people use their products in a way they are not suppose to and they slowly take away your ability to do anything on their systems

[@Someone-sc2hk]

I'm wondering what the split between what mojang gets and what the mod devs get

[@Endaxess]

People are not allowed to share nda content because it would cause damages to Mojang and marketplace. Think about it. If mojang told us things ahead of time, let's say a year or two, everyone would be complaining that its taking so long to come out.

[@milk-dog]

As someone who makes minecraft bedrock content for fun and does not upload to the marketplace, I wish that the developer builds of the game were more publically accessible. Features like reloading resource packs without reloading the world are exclusive to these dev builds and it sucks for someone just messing around in the base game.

[@k90v85]

​@DODOPLAYZ013 mcpedl probably

[@Silath01]

How do you install them or get them to work with realms, I have been trying to work it out for weeks, my kid found a whole heap he wants but we can’t get them on the bedrock realm

[@Yasser-444]

​@@Silath01switch to servers man, what makes you stick to realms, they are awful

[@JulMik]

You can make more money for adds.

[@JulMik]

I make java and bedrock mod.

[@Cptn.Viridian]

The fact this got added before the Java modding API that was promised years ago is disgusting.

[@gavinpicard3003]

I firmly believe the Forge/Fabric APIs are infinitely better than anything that Mojang could officially release.

[@ArtemisAYO]

The Java what.

[@dosh-cf2vx]

I mean at least we got something now 🤑

[@pumpkinblook7761]

If we give Microsoft control of our mods things are gonna get bad

[@holydoggo4822]

the modding api has been dead for at least 6 years man its time to let go

[@jacksonbarkerthebluehairedfox]

Something I'm really concerned about with updates like this is that they're preparing to shut down Java Edition by porting features exclusive to the Java Edition (FREE modding, FREE custom skins, FREE downloadable worlds, FREE servers, so on so on) over to Bedrock so they can then force players to pay for mods, skins, worlds, and so on. The reason why Java is so loved compared to Bedrock is because of how customizable the game is for free, rather than having to pay to get anything more than base vanilla Minecraft. The over-monetization of Minecraft will be its downfall soon enough.

[@autistic_potato1037]

Yes but the problem is you're essentially encouraging slavery and/or functional communism. Those creators get nothing back from those unless people support their Patreon (They've done studies to test that type of system on no matter what the context is, a money pot can never and will never work because people are just too selfish, and when they see that nobody else is supporting, they don't either), yet the masses demand more and more and are outraged when they don't get their way. When you're the most downloaded game in the entirety of human history, you're not going to make ANY money by catering to the people that already own the (on time purchase) game, and you'll eventually go out of business. This is why Mojang sold themselves to Microsoft. This is why Geometry Dash v2.2 took 8 years to come out. This is why Terraria ended yet failed twice to make a sequel game that the devs felt would satisfy the Terraria playerbase. This is why the garbage that is Call of Duty MW3 exists in the first place, to make something that requires continuous purchase rather than a 1 time thing, because less people will buy a new game then people that will spend money to get more of the game they already love. So many games, (not just mod creators), and even full studios completely go under because people demand so much that the effort required to keep the game afloat becomes more then the income made from it. No I am not supporting Mojang's decision to introduce Add-Ons, by the way. It's corrupt and greedy by all means, yet it wouldn't exist if people weren't willing to be a part of it. I'm explaining why creators are forced to flock to it despite its flaws anyways.

[@cola98765]

My biggest problem with bedrock cosmetics is that changing models (eg, fox ears) is limited to that marketplace portion. The mods/maps/texturepacks are more more complicated and much MUCH worse, as it will encourage spamming with content that does not have to be good, only popular at the moment, and people in the MC target age will pay for it. It's gonna be a matter of time before repeat of Faithful drama, with someone porting a mod to marketplace they had no rights to monetize. Honestly? As long as Java edition will still be available to download, it will only result in the ultimate version to port mods to, the way it happened with KSP for example. most of the advancement in modding was not because the game is advances, but because people put more time into it. Oh and don't listen to the other guy. While yes, making mods quickly becomes a second job, No modder I know mods for the money, but to make the game better. Hell, even having your mod closed source was frowned upon, and those few payed mods (before they were closed) were complete taboo.

[@Uncle_Dave_Dave]

the issue they don't understand is that 99%+ of people will not be staying for bedrock only, because Vintage Story already exists. If microsoft wants to learn how to have a viable business model in 2024, they should learn to make a product, instead of stealing from taxpayers.@@autistic_potato1037

[@outregis]

I'm so tired of this perception that Java is somehow empirically more loved 🤣 The VAST majority are on Bedrock, and aren't as hyper concerned about it potentially being their main focus down the line (We're talking way down the line, because there really is no issue with having both at the moment. It just depends when Java Coding becomes to complex or the software kicks the bucket) but above all, you really think that if there was a push to only Bedrock, that there wouldn't be a massive community that rallies behind makin free Bedrock mods viable?

[@cola98765]

@@outregis people like Minecraft in general, and becasue MS is pushing bedrock version for both PC and consoles, it is understandable that there are more players there (tho it's not "vast majority"). This artificial seperation is arbitrary, as the whole point of java is that it can run on basically any device (with leading theory being that it was corporate decision from the start to seperate EULAs of those games). If Minecraft was the way Bedrock was from the start it would not retain my interest for this long. And yes, I do believe there would not be a push for bedrock mods even if MS decided to completely stop selling Java edition. My reasoning is two fold: 1) Bedrock modding is limited to datapack-like structure and API, which is fine for simpler blocks or entities, but falls short when you want to change more about your game. Hell even chairs showcased in video are actually entities not blocks, and apparently this is typical for those mods, and I would fear for the performance of a any type of factory build as entities. 2) Java will continue to exist as you can't kill it as a game that doesn't rely on central server to run. So all those modders that already put a lot of work into their mods will be unwilling to move to Bedrock even it it was technically possible. This is showcased by the fact how mods are really unwilling to change modloaders and some mods will just die on version change. You may argue that Bedrock would have only one modloader and better version compatibility but you won't get old java mods for bedrock AND EVEN if you don't care about old mods, the quality of modding will not come as easy. Java mods are so great now because people were constantly trying to out-do each other, where Bedrock modding is on the level from like 15 years ago, the beta days of MC.

[@phoebus86]

As an old school player since the alpha days, it just feels weird seeing this game becoming this commercialized.

[@notknownlogic4161]

I dont see bedrock as minecraft, java is still the only version i respect.

[@homemovelha4173]

​@@notknownlogic4161 bedrock sucks compared to java but its still MC

[@SoggyChickenNuggets.]

I mean Java seems more retro and bedrock seems much more refined, just look at the ui

[@Lumberjack_king]

I mean it's owned by Microsoft it's just good business

[@rogerioperso4259]

​@@SoggyChickenNuggets.Thats like the only thing bedrock has going for it, meanwhile with the amount of corruption problems, weird logic (redstone) and plain glitches makes it look like a beta version

[@toastr1255]

One of the big things that went unmentioned here is the implications given bedrock's automatic updates. You can't easily go back to an earlier version like on Java. If an update has some incompatibility with an addon, you could end up losing the thing that you just purchased. On the addon developers' side of things, it pressures them to push out updates as fast as possible to continue making revenue. Porting to newer versions is very dull work. Many Java mods aren't available on the latest version for this very reason. See all of the mods that are stuck in 1.18 or 1.19? Heck, the well-known Ice and Fire mod (fantasy mod that adds dragons and a bunch of other mythical creatures) was going to be left behind in 1.16 because the developer got sick of maintaining it. It only exists on later versions because someone else picked it up. Here's something else to consider: tons of Java mods pre-1.17 added copper to the game. Imagine if you bought a bedrock addon that adds copper to the game back in 1.16 only for it to get added to vanilla in the next version. You'd probably feel cheated, right? Everyone else just got something for free that you paid extra for! To avoid this, Mojang would need to heavily limit themselves by only adding things not present in addons, and that would cut out a lot of possibilities for future updates. Imagine if vanilla never gets an end update because they can't find a way to improve the end that somebody else hasn't already done.

[@normalaboutpathologic]

Or, alternatively not approving of add-ons that contain something they're planning to add later if it's too similar

[@vlliage6409]

Thankfully there is 3rd party loaders, but they are a pain to use

[@grape3587]

You wont *need* to encounter those issues though as its a mod system that doesn't work by modifying the games code. It uses an API mojang themselves keeps up-to-date. The assumption is that as long as they keep it up to date and functioning an older addon will still work. The biggest problem here is that we are not yet out of the era of the Addon API being drastically changed, not everything is figured out yet so this is probably going to lead to a wave of outdated addons very shortly.

[@JulMik]

@@vlliage6409 you don't need this. Just dowload addon and double click.

[@smeggiamagarwine]

​​@@JulMik>"mcreator" theres your problem. your mod isnt worth updating if its on mcreator

[@Zoditron]

Thank Gosh Bedrock exists as a place for Mojang to dump stuff like the Marketplace, otherwise Java would have been ruined a long time ago.

[@ImMimicute]

Actually true, granted they very visibly see it this way but ta least they're not doing it to java (*yet*)

[@detto1998]

That's a view I never thought about. Nice!

[@nonwibb]

who is gosh and why are we thanking them

[@Drax-Striker]

That's quiet literally just mod page but supported by mojang, you can still download addons outside of markeplace for free just like mods in Java

[@Kaadjoisanavaliwithtoomuchtime]

Evil josh ​@@nonwibb

[@Sam-hk7xt]

the other thing im worried about is how censorious mojangsoft is going to be. Like are they gonna ban anything they simply dont like on principle like gta, guns, or prank mods?

[@DexGen2002]

GTA lmao? You could download Car add ons and Gun add ons when there out bc worlds you pay for already do this, also wth you wanting GTA specifically on fucking Minecraft did gamestop tell you that you were to young to buy GTA V?

[@NamelessCth]

@@DexGen2002 Can't people just do what they want? Last time I remember there had The Walking Dead mods with guns and zombies, was I supposed to play COD Zombies?

[@DexGen2002]

@@NamelessCth cod zombies and walking dead arnt even the same man, did you forget Walking Dead has games to?

[@NamelessCth]

@@DexGen2002 Does that change the point? Was I supposed to play TWD games?

[@DexGen2002]

@@NamelessCth no but comparing COD Zombies to Walk Dead shows lack of intelligence, only similarities is Zombies and Guns

[@kiltedbeef903]

I remember watching someone experiment with a PAID furniture mod and the furniture were killable entities where it's difficult to control what direction they face, which really pissed me off.

[@JohnDoe-hj9fh]

It was a map not a mod

[@jwalster9412]

I play both bedrock and java, one thing I will say is that java is the quality version, bedrock is the mass market cash grab version. So many of the minor things that you notice in java, that make the game feel better, so many of it's quirks, features, etc, are just missing in bedrock I don't know what it is exactly, but java is more fun for some reason. It could be that I have a different setup for my computer vs my PlayStation, or it could be that bedrock is too disconnected despite trying to be the same game. Maybe java reminds me of the old console editions I used to play before bedrock. I really don't know.

[@flaming02rtle]

I once downloaded a furniture add-on and the stuff started walking away XD

[@ThatWhichObserves]

@@jwalster9412 Bedrock is the GTA V for PS3, while Java has always been the GTAV for PS4 (because of higher processing power in general) but Java is not a good engine for how large minecraft is getting, or at the very least.. with how poorly they optimize their code.. then the large host of java related performance issues aside from code optimization

[@UnCreativeDeconstructionism]

That's kinda funny actually

[@Bluebird_YT]

Gotta love when Mojang goes against their own TOS by selling mods

[@krysmun]

Of course, it's only correct if they can take a cut of the revenue for themselves, which for a long time they couldn't do, only forbid anyone else from making any money directly through it. It's Really just a case of "If I can't make money from mods, then No-One can".

[@leotheliongames]

As much as I’d like to agree, it’s an EULA for a reason. End User being the key term; Microsoft/Mojang aren’t end user, so they’re allowed to do whatever they like

[@NippyNep]

cope

[@higueraft571]

Alas, that does not apply to Microsoft. Now buy the 37th unauthorized Dream Skin.

[@basic6735]

This is effectively Marketplace content, which functions very differently from mods

[@jacplac97]

Remember when Valve and Bethesda tried to pull that off? Valve backed off after the massive backlash, while Bethesda doubled down, turning Fallout 4 into a bloatware for a while (as it would install all creation club addons on your device.)

[@smeggiamagarwine]

you can actually just load cc content like a normal mod if you "acquire it" via some means since that's all it is

[@brayonyx14]

i thought valve greenlight was to fund mods enough to make them full games, at least until hdtf ruined everything.

[@Artyomann]

People didn't like that Valve allowed mods on steam?

[@ashnambers]

@@brayonyx14 Hes not talking about green light. for a moment around like 2014 you could buy mod on the steam workshop for skyrim (It actually worked a lot more like a donation system if I recall but people didn't really pay attention. they just heard "payed mods")

[@brayonyx14]

@@ashnambers tbh, given bethesdas obsession with making money it seems like that idea wouldve come fro them and not valve, though i understand the backlash

[@glleesqwerty6402]

If I take the price of a Minecoin - I calculated this to be roughly half a cent per Minecoin - and multiply it by the average cost in Minecoins of all the addons, we get around $2.13 per mod. If i wanted to play RLCraft in bedrock edition, suppose it would cost the average price of each addon for each mod (177 mods), it would cost around $377.59. Note there is currently a small sample size to base the average price of each addon on, so the calculation I made is probably pretty inaccurate. Still, this is a shocking number. (Edit) Note I forgot to include the "recently added" section, but doing so would only increase the numbers I calculate.

[@xX_MC_OvU_PvP_YT_Xx]

I don't think this makes the point you thought it was going to make. Kinda irrelevant.

[@glleesqwerty6402]

​@@xX_MC_OvU_PvP_YT_Xx my point is that it would be insane to pay that much to play RLcraft. I would love for you to explain your viewpoint.

[@gabrielandy9272]

@@glleesqwerty6402 you can still get mods for free on bedrock marketplace is just a way to support creators if they make content free you can still download and install it anyway.

[@bastobasto4866]

@@xX_MC_OvU_PvP_YT_Xx The point is that it just that it's impossible to get a similar experience to java modding in bedrock without paying loads of money for it.

[@thaleeyt]

To be fair, you probably need the 377 pounds for a good PC setup to run RLcraft

[@Lunaboops]

The issue i take with this is that they aren't doing it to get mod creators to have more money, they're using that as an excuse to add even more dodgy monetization practices. Its an entirely corporate decision, targetting children (who are the primary demographic of bedrock minecraft in general) to spend outwith their means on things they don't actually want because they lack the concept of monetary value. Children will just click buy, they dont care how much something costs because that does not matter to them. The entire thing is by design there just to predate on children, and their parents. The second that buy MineCoins screen is up, a child will stop at nothing for it to go away with the benefit of more coins. This is by design made to extract what little wealth they may have for something that you should not need to pay for. This exact same thing happened with LEGO 2K Drive, and im not sitting around while Minecraft takes a lesson from their book. Mod creators will not get even 50% of the purchase value, they'll get 10 or 20 at best. The rest goes directly to Microsoft & their shareholders, not to the people making the mods. Bethesda already tried this with Skyrim & Fallout 4, and I haven't heard any mod developers who were apart of it say that they suddenly were able to make more & do more. They hardly benefit, and thankfully it seems that Bethesda has cut that out for Starfield, and that may continue to their next game. The "paid mods" thing hurt those communities for years, and we still actively fight against this stuff with good reasons. Release paid mods through patreon or kofi (the better option). Thats where you should go if you wish to make money from modding, not something designed entirely by corporate interests. If you release a mod through these revenue share programs you're asking to be exploited. Because that's what they actually do, the corporation takes the lions share, you are left with nothing but scraps from your hard work - They would not create this "revenue share" unless this were the case, its all about increasing profit for yourself & your shareholders in the corporate world, everyone below you be damned. The only reason they cant just take 100% of the profit is because of laws within places like the EU. Because they would if they could. Don't support this, support creators directly, not terrible & predatory practices from a global conglomerate.

[@UnknownUser-mj8rg]

Marketplace creators get 70%

[@dialont]

The split is 70/30, creators get 70%

[@Lunaboops]

@@UnknownUser-mj8rgI'll be honest, they can just say they're doing that and not actually do that. I'll be surprised if they get 70% of the total purchase. But it could be more like they take 50 for *service fees & taxes* then give you 70% of the 50 that remains. Still correct that its 70%, legally. The numbers aren't important to the meaning of why i said what i said. It's still preying on children with microtransactions. Without the effort being there to actually support mod creators. They're doing this because its profitable for the executives, not because they care about mod creators. If it wasnt for profit, Java would also recieve modding tools. But nope, they cant keep extracting wealth from Java at this point. So they moved onto Bedrock. Either way though my point still stands, if you want to release a paid mod, do it through Kofi not the marketplace. Why give your proceeds to microsoft when Kofi doesnt take a cut unless you want it to.

[@UnknownUser-mj8rg]

​@@Lunaboops Oh yeah, I don't largely disagree with what you're saying but from the partners I've talked to, they've said they it's 70% of each purchase so accounting for taxes that number does go down. Kofi and donations don't work very well. It's very hard to stay afloat with just Curseforge's reward program and donations. It's why naturalist (java mod) has an official bedrock port in the marketplace now

[@MagickArcher]

Locking mods behind a paywall is against the terms of service, the physics mod was forced to release their pro version if you want proof

[@SpicyVendingMachine]

Of course we don’t like it. We miss the old days of just buy once, play forever.

[@frankmckenneth9254]

This is why I advocate so hard for piracy. At least when I pirate something I've bought, it can't be taken from me due to being unsupported.

[@Zyrdrakyll]

You can still play the game if you've bought it what are you on about

[@antiStrikerS]

​@@frankmckenneth9254 Literally every company sees the entire world as the same as america and it's crazy They'd stare at a 3rd world country and say "they can definitely pay 1500 pesos for a single game that requires a subscription to play!" edit: to whoever just said "just don't buy games then".. I don't think you got the message of this comment 😅 I'm not complaining about the prices I'm complaining about how they're just allowing that to be so.

[@antiStrikerS]

@@Zyrdrakyll Losing ur Microsoft account:

[@SaltyAsTheSea]

​@Zyrdrakyll they own the rights to s digital online download. They allow you to use it.

[@nosidenoside2458]

The monetization and privatization of bedrock mods kinda sucks, i think. In java you could find all sorts of mods and modpacks, with all sorts of content. MrCrayfish's gun mod, mo creatures, computercraft. Bedrock isn't gonna have any of that. It's gonna have the most fundamental, boring, safe, marketable mods. It's going to effectively be a paywall for the new minecraft content. Or it's going to be dead in the water.

[@AndrewMinich]

Not to mention any gun mods being kicked off the store for not being "kid friendly." At the same time there are swords and bows in Minecraft, which realistically are far more gruesome that guns.

[@CrystalClear51]

theres a seperate third party place where you can get addons made by the community for free :/ and alot of them are super high quality, even better than java mods at times

[@higueraft571]

Not to mention, a bunch of stuff really cant *modify* the game itself, only add onto it. So stuff like Create is utterly impossible, you can never add Stress Units or RF or FE.

[@AnonymousAnarchist2]

Meanwhile Advertizers are going to skirt all the rules, just all of them. Want drugs, guns, and sweet sweet sneaker deals sold by "insert pop star popular with the teen demographic now" in conjuction with adias or nike, then thats just fine for a game that is supposed to be kid friendly! They paid to be there after all! Who cares if it gives little timmy an unhealthy obsession with snorting his pixie sticks. They paid!

[@Rule_Enforcer]

You do realize that you can download all of those on bedrock too? Maybe not exactly them but i only play on bedrock and i had a gun mod. Also what's unmarketable or unsafe about mo creatures and computercraft?

[@IJNAoba9-25-26]

-Terrible moderation -Scuffed Censorship -Dodgy monetisation practices Bedrock edition is just Mojang's Roblox at this point.

[@menaatefadly]

It always has been, they're getting desperate now, idiots!

[@dabetz4860]

So your telling me there is slightest percentage that somehow a developers can sneak in Jenny mods in Bedrock behind in secret behind a paywall?

[@davisdf3064]

I see this as an absolute win

[@RealSnow87]

ohgodno

[@Roarywasnthere]

Kids need to learn how babies are made 😊

[@EeveeRealSenpai]

Surely not, right? 👀

[@Im_Rawk]

its for minecraft education edition

[@RedneckRanger27]

farming simulator has an in game mod hub to download mods from within the game. modders get paid for these mods. the devs have a mod testing team to test and check the quality before they go live. the mods are still free to download

[@Craeonkie]

Something that really sucks about bedrock edition mod wise is we don't have any mods that add special blocks with interesting GUI or special types of block structures Like you see that chair you placed? That's not a block, that's an entity An edit: I feel like everyone here who's trying to make some kind of argument (as if this is something to be debated over) haven't actually been on both sides. Please stop trying to make an argument if you've played one five nights at Freddy's mod in your ten years of living and can't comprehend the meaning of a "special blocks with GUI", can't differentiate between command blocks and actual mods, or haven't played both versions of Minecraft and tried out multiple mods...

[@widdlepocketmarcy]

that's because right now trying to create GUI is a headache on bedrock, they are constantly changing the code for it every hotfix for the new UI. You can definitely make chairs actually blocks though, i'm guessing it's only an entity so you can sit on it. You can also make basic world generation

[@bloo6131]

yes I know that made me so annoyed when I was testing out some add ons, like why does it have to be an entity? Do you really need the little quirky animation?

[@Gustoberg]

soo bedrock modding never changed since 2016? Like, I remember as a kid I played a lot of MCPE (seven seas edition) and all mods retextured blocks or made entities, because they're probably easier to code in I think?

[@arie1906]

@@Gustoberg it changed a lot

[@heathershank-purvis3588]

I KNOW OK!

[@underbeta2649]

I’m pretty sure that Mojang has threatened to sue modmakers who had a patreon for early access mods

[@KajtekBeary]

they did

[@marcopaulo_]

nothing got done tho in the end

[@Gleeful_Winner]

@@marcopaulo_ yes it did. physics mod pro had to become free because mojang doesnt want third parties to make money from the game without a cut of it, and obviously the creator didnt want to give the multi-billion dollar company more money so he made it free, and eventually TOS came out where it said "yeah nah no paid mods fuck you"

[@underbeta2649]

@@marcopaulo_ Some Just stop doing their projects beacouse of it

[@yaboics5844]

The funny thing is, most "mods" for bedrock is really just a datapack

[@furnacemanisinmyhouse]

No that's just wrong. On the surface I guess I can see the similarities but the BE modding API is so much more easier and quicker to use. I'm sorry but when you have to make animations using separate models for each frame or you cant add custom particles to the game or anything like that addons are better by a long shot. Don't get me wrong I love datapacks. There cool and fun and all but really hard to get into and actually make good stuff with especially considering that most datapacks that are high quality are pretty small content wise Addons Are Better.

[@friendlyfire3412]

@@furnacemanisinmyhouse addons you mean Mods that we know and Love in Java right?

[@furnacemanisinmyhouse]

@@friendlyfire3412 This is probably going to start an argument but no im talking about addons for bedrock edition. Not the marketplace ones. The FREE and GOOD addons for bedrock edition.

[@umbreonben]

@@furnacemanisinmyhouseHe wasn't comparing the usability but the possibilities. Add-Ons have essentially only the same features as Datapacks because you can't add new or overwrite code. You can't even add real blocks or items, biomes, dimensions etc. It's not possible. Essentially the features of a datapack and the add-ons are the same even if the addons are quicker to setup and use.

[@furnacemanisinmyhouse]

@@umbreonben Yes you can add all of those things and they are not at all the same. First of all with data packs you cant make custom mobs. You have to tie a armor stand to a regular mob and do a wacky strange animation system of constantly making separate models for every frame. Second of all right click detection using data packs is INSANE levels of limited where you have to use a carrot on a stick instead of just making a weapon and adding right click detection to it. Third of all data packs and blocks are WAY more wacky and buggy than regular blocks as you have to use ITEM FRAMES so there will always be a problem with placing the block. They are nowhere near the same and the only thing datapacks have over addons is NBT which isnt needed at all on bedrock edition because of holiday creator features and dimensions which are still creatable with addons its just much harder. Come back to me when you guys have a real crafting system and a sensible animation system because you have clearly never looked at ANY actual addon.

[@Adir-Yosef]

Hammer: [shows up] Phoenix SC: is this a gun?

[@pantrapeusz9071]

Pheonix just became Australian-American

[@mauroghen]

Why do so many comments format their comments like this?

[@geodefence]

I hope no 5 year old doesn’t realize that you can just install a file for bedrock mods, for free!

[@okOne_]

Mojang and Microsoft makes this to milk parents wallets.

[@Nathaniel328]

Console players are crying about this comment

[@cultofmel]

There are ways to get free mods, skin packs, texture packs, and worlds even while on console with no other devices like a phone or computer. I've done it before, however I can't account for every individual console.

[@User92742]

I use realm to transfer addons over to console btw just download the map

[@ChrisZKidd345]

@@okOne_that’s not gonna end well is it..

[@No-Me3]

It really depends on the split between the creators and the mod makers. VRChat implemented this sort of thing to pull people away from Patreon, Ko-fi, Gum Road, BOOTH, etc. But the cut is 50/50, as opposed the the much MUCH smaller cuts to the platforms from the other places. (BOOTH is 90/10 I believe) So, as easily predicted, almost no one uses it.

[@autistic_potato1037]

Mojang has decided to go with the 90/10 split so yeah, there's that.

[@cola98765]

I knew that VRC will take some cut, but this is absurd. With every in game marketplace that appears I feel that stuff gets worse. Companies see that Roblox is a money press, and then try to catch a bit of that market. Also, beyond paypal fees Ko-fi is free if you don't have anything there beside one time donations, and then for subscriptions you can choose between 5% or 8$ a month flat.

[@anthonyeaves4145]

No Mojang, I’ve given you enough money. You cannot have anymore of my money.

[@jorishenger1240]

_oh but what of you could give us some more money??_

[@Pigness7]

Then dont give them any, its not like they're forcing you at gun point to buy stuff from the marketplace.

[@jeremyhearne]

​@@Pigness7 So we should just let it happen and not be allowed to express our disliking of this practice because, well they ain't forcing it in our faces are they? I guess we should also let activision make a dlc into a 70 dollar standalone barely content filled game because, well we don't have to buy it therefore it is okay for them to do that kind of practice.

[@el_gatoNegro]

​​​@@Pigness7Yeah, lets ignore the fact that Microsoft and Mojang are tricking clueless kids into wasting tons of their parents money on stuff from the Marketplace that most of the time are illegaly copied from popular mods or texturepacks on Java edition or content made from popular Minecraft youtubers without asking their permission like the Dream skin packs, which are very scammy. Brainless people like you are the reason why triple A games publishers and their products are greedy, scammy, souless, and bad.

[@mihaleben6051]

@@jeremyhearne ok. I wish i had the power to end you. I do not. Oh well. Cya(nide)

[@Shako_Lamb]

5:30 This is actually a really interesting argument that Phoenix makes, and one I agree with as a mainly Java player who has also joined friends' Bedrock realms. It's more about the fine details, which makes it harder to describe. But it's things like the menu opening and closing animations, which I had to turn off because they were interrupting the intuitive workflow that I had developed in Java and it was getting really annoying. It just sometimes feels like Bedrock has a layer of varnish on it that's too shiny, metaphorically speaking. I think Java is a little rougher around the edges in all the ways that add to the playing experience rather than detract.

[@eilivulv]

Exactly! I simply cannot play on Bedrock the same way and I have a feeling people generally dislike this type of “varnish” in games.

[@mechmaster-so4hr]

me too.

[@higueraft571]

Namely: Java's more Practical, Bedrock's more Flashy (when it's not compromising for mobile/performance, like Redstone or Combat). I DO like the Creative Menu layout on Bedrock more, admittedly, but nowhere near enough to switch to Bedrock...

[@Shako_Lamb]

@@higueraft571 Yeah that makes sense!

[@adamantii]

Slightly off-topic but IMO Microsoft's UI design as a whole can be described like that. For example, the menu animations in Bedrock Edition remind me a lot of the menu animations Windows has in their start menu and their built-in apps. When I'm playing Bedrock I can feel that I'm using a Microsoft product and that's a bad thing to me

[@-Jozef]

Minecraft making us pay for stuff Java gets for free is like the cheating girlfriend gaslighting you into apologizing for what she did (Edit) I didn’t even know I was able to get free stuff through other platforms, the fact that I didn’t know this is crazy.

[@emilydavidson8844]

No one forcing you

[@riztiz]

Addons are free to download on bedrock.

[@GikamesShadow]

@@emilydavidson8844 So we should just accept shady practices?

[@ezonplays2260]

​@@riztiz yeah, mcpedl. I don't know why but they just ignore it.

[@DanielPereira-ey9nt]

Microsoft isn't forcing anyone to charge or pay for add-ons you know

[@bossSHREDDER210]

people: *wants to have people pay for their mods* mojang: NO YOU CANT DO THAT also mojang: buy our mods

[@s0g]

I love how PhoenixSC thought something was a gun, then an axe, then a pickaxe, but didn't even think of what it was clearly supposed to be: A hammer.

[@amongsussyballs]

hammers dont exist in minecraft

[@jamesegg7372]

@@amongsussyballs neither do guns but that didnt stop him from thinkin about it did it ya broken window

[@Mjauritz]

thought it was a thumbs down

[@elz1074]

He just wanted to sound silly

[@gearshift7174]

​@@amongsussyballsthe crafting table has a hammer on it

[@Cats-TM]

2:43 This video interupted me watching Yojimbo but I think that is supposed to be a hammer…it does look like a mini Uzi though.

[@blue_wolf9959]

Ngl I think it kinda looks like a paint brush

[@Creeperstormer]

It is a hammer

[@SH33333SH]

​@@Creeperstormer Yeah

[@enderj0e557]

Its a hair dryer

[@OrbitalSheep]

It's a door

[@XetXetable]

I think the real problem, that people are having a hard time articulating, is the second-order effects of paid mods being normalized. - Mods are more curated, meaning they have to get corporate approval (less modder freedom + less player choice) and there's an excuse to add "anti-piracy" measures to prevent going around that corporate control. That corporate control can also cause mods to just disappear since it's all done through a marketplace and you can't just backup files. - Mods are harder to just try-out; which is a real problem when you're paying for them and they may not be good. You can request a refund, but that's a new level of hassle that didn't exist before. - Modding is now a business, requiring contractual obligations between the mod creator, Mojang, and customers, where before there were no obligations, allowing mod creaters the freedom to move on to other projects on a whim. This stuff being the norm is unambiguously worse; it's a worse ecosystem, in some ways it's worse for modders (though the costs may be worth the monetary gain for some), and it makes the game worse, which is the biggest issue since that's the only reason any of this matters in the first place.

[@higueraft571]

>- Mods are more curated They arent, have you seen the officially curated Minecraft Marketplace? It's packed full of stuff that i'd bet you is 100% illegal, or at best legally dubious, like using a person's likeness without their permission, pretty much entirely lifting someone else's mod and making money off it, etc You also forgot to add: They're now a monetary reason to make mods, which means many are going to be less "because i want this"/passion projects, and more "how little can i get away with to wring $5 out of you?", a bit like the Skyrim Creation Club "Mods". Like, say, the "guns" in CC which are actually just straight up Dawnguard Crossbows with a skin, with effectively nothing that makes them unique otherwise, compared to similar mods that do far more, or ones that arent limited to vanilla and do a total addition.

[@DudeSoWin]

Minecraft since its inception was a purely educational tool. Java, Voxels, Redstone switches, blueprints of circuit diagrams and flat earth jokes revealing Top Secret Science. When it ran counter to State backed Education that is when Microsoft with its many military grants bought out Minecraft just to inflict its own indoctrination on any youth therein with a campaign of banwaves and censorship. Epstein did not kill himself. Learn2Code.

[@XetXetable]

@@higueraft571 Curated just means that a third party gets to decide what is and isn't there, not that said third party actually makes good decisions.

[@Cube-xm6vt]

Modders can still put their mods up for free if they want to (even in the marketplace, some stuff is free). The marketplace is literally just an option they have if they want to make money, and it's not like there aren't other ways to install addons. If they start shutting off non-marketplace mods, then that would be terrible, but it would also be a PR suicide, so I don't think they'd do that.

[@AstralDragn]

@@Cube-xm6vtDevil's advocate, but the easier you make it to charge people, the more likely people will charge. Not saying that they don't deserve recompense, but paying for something usually indicates a level of quality. (you'd hope) and from what I hear, the marketplace is not very high quality. Shockwaves effect if they choose to go back on the statement that modders may not charge for their mods on Java, with the added caveat they get a cut. Then we have it spreading even farther, and it will probably VERY quickly go to other games. How long til Steam workshop becomes a marketplace? This is setting a precedent that in the end is focused on making it easier to be a mod developer in some ways (but not really that much) which harms players and benefits the corporation. The fact that it helps modders is entirely sidelined. How much farther does it push til the marketplace becomes the only distributor of content like this? Maybe minecraft won't have that happen, with how frankly massive its community is and how bad that would appear, but that doesn't stop other games from doing it. This is what we can consider a erosion of the player=modder community that will probably ripple across every videogame, and only because it skips out that simple step to start a patreon. And again, I do get it, not every modder can be supported by patreon, or whatever else, but presumably many people already well understood that their modding hobby was not going to pull in a living, and the fact that they might get some money by selling on the marketplace isn't likely to really change that either.

[@I.____.....__...__]

Phoenix must be a cop. "When all you have is a gun, everything looks like a nail."

[@viridian_here819]

2:48 pretty sure thats just a hammer

[@Voltricity435]

yes

[@sundermc]

a very off-centre hammer

[@timothynoll4886]

A HAMMER GUN!!!

[@AndrewMinich]

I would say that bedrock doesn't look weird because it's more polished, it looks weird because absolutely NOTHING is rigid and suitable for sandbox gameplay. Bedrock edition is more like an awkward, floaty high-gravity swimming simulator in which movement has more friction, and consequently, the momentum feels way too off. Not only that, but the visuals on particles and gui look really primitive and not gameplay friendly.

[@LGivik]

Yes! The physics are so weird in bedrock edition IMO and I don't understand why

[@juluke8385]

Carm

[@U2traguyz]

Respectfully, as a Bedrock main who also plays Java (less frequently), I don't understand your perspective.

[@Flash-FireCC]

Unfortunately it feels more like a rip off of Java when it should be equal in quality

[@kcoolthegamer]

The friction is different? Huh? What are you java users complaint about this time?

[@Micha-Hil]

Didn't Steam try this a few years ago? They got hit with insane backlash

[@smeggiamagarwine]

Bethesda + steam. steam backed out afterwards but Todd still went ahead

[@ChrisWijtmans]

bethesda backed down once and then doubled down steam also tried it two twice but backed down twice i believe.@@smeggiamagarwine

[@Lexiosity]

is this to do with Aperture Tag which is a mod you have to pay for for Portal 2, making you have to pay £23 to £24 to play Aperture Tag?

[@akeem2983]

@@Lexiosity There are many mods in Steam that are paid and even separate paid games that used to be mods, but I think everyone is okay with that

[@nerd0Chija]

Bethesda is actually doing it a third time with their so-called now... Creations

[@velociraptordude]

paid mods don't work donating to mod projects however should be more of a common practice

[@username5155]

Mojang: You can’t charge for Minecraft mods, that’s illegal. Also Mojang: Pay for our mods or else

[@Daddy_Grimm]

thats the plan i guess, they force mod creators to sign up to bedrock's marketplace if they want to profit off their mods so that microsoft always gets a 30% cut of the revenue.

[@manosemnomealgum]

mojang doesnt do that, microsoft does.

[@reecesx]

Yea, whats your point? That mojang has the exclusive rights to monetise derivative works and you don't? This isnt a gotcha

[@bruhgod123]

@@reecesx the point is microtransactions are bad

[@tenderturtle1019]

Yeah cause selling other people's stuff is illegal. Glad we can clear this up.

[@etienneporras7252]

I maintain Java edition specifically for the Custom Superflats, the Command Block UI, the fact that Structure Blocks ACTUALLY WORK. Bedrock lacks so much of the functionality of Java and I deeply appreciate that for my own creative process.

[@mangledfoxy2052]

Yeah, I like building in super flat, but I don’t like the fact that I can’t adjust anything about it, like how thick the ground is and stuff. It doesn’t leave any room for anything underground without adjusting the height of the ground yourself. Which isn’t too bad with commands, but still annoying to have to do

[@teresar6348]

Bedrock is made for everyone and no one in particular. It needs to support controllers of many kinds and touchscreens. Java is so well PC oriented in its layout, but its only PC oriented. As someone who has a computer than can run minecraft, java any day and I have chosen to not buy any home consoles. The lack of pairity (and mojang not really fixing the right thing if cross play level parity is their goal) isn't helping though, even if it may benifit PC players as more processing power can be assumed (why bedrock is forced to basically have half the functional ticks, some consoles need it and most of them have to join that.)

[@themightytrex5]

What’s the difference between Structure blocks in bedrock and java? I only know how to use them on bedrock, but I’m interested in what the difference is.

[@etienneporras7252]

@@themightytrex5 Structure Blocks in Java already have in-game structures you can upload directly from the gamefiles. If Bedrock has that functionality, I don't know how to access it.

[@AndrewMinich]

Not to mention the rigid and gameplay friendly mechanics, movement, and visuals that Java has over bedrock.

[@SmileytheSmile]

Did everyone just forget when goddamn Bethesda tried this?

[@ThePC007]

I didn’t, but I also haven’t forgot their horse armor… which actually caught on and sparked a new industry standard. :(

[@BaconGeekYT]

Considering that both Bethesda and Mojang are now owned by Microsoft, and Bethesda recently re-introduced "paid mods" into Skyrim, I'm starting to think that Microsoft is the one pushing for "paid mods".

[@Potholet]

They still do

[@flameguy3416]

Yeah, and they succeeded.

[@MaskedDeath_]

What Phoenix said, "the demographic is now willing to accept it", is a major problem I have with video gaming in general. I started playing games about 18 years ago, and things used to be very different. While one thing to blame is obviously devs' (mainly corporations) greed, the other problem is that people new to gaming don't know it used to be better, so they just put up with all the shady practices. For example people accept free-to-play games with aggressive and unfair monetization, because for many that's how it's always been for them. And I believe this is only going to get worse with time as the cycle of worse games/new players continues.

[@SemiHypercube]

I feel like my one concern isn't that it's paid (in fact I'd say it's good that mod creators can make money from their work) but rather, as with the rest of the Marketplace, there's basically no quality control also I think the icon at 2:43 is supposed to be a hammer

[@MogginganimalNO.2]

No a dislike

[@DanielPereira-ey9nt]

I mean, there's no real quality control for Java mods either right ?, you mostly choose your mouth by recommendations

[@gardenerguy2.065]

There should be an option to play it once and test to see if you like it and what it offers

[@Mydnai1237]

Idk I don't think the company should regulate royalties for actual intellectual property, they would get a better deal through patreon, but since they can't do that anymore, they can't make money unless they sell their mods there. It feels gross, and I wish Minecraft was open-source so they could mod freely and enjoy sharing their work in a less predatory content-for-compensation environment. If mod makers wanted to make bank they should make a game, coders just get used for their work and get the short end these days and it's so sad.

[@blakeryan7894]

There doesn’t need to be quality control for Java mods because they are third party content hosted on third party platforms, addons are hosted on the market place which is not third party.

[@NeighMoo]

2:35 Hammer. Peenix. Its a hammer.

[@NeighMoo]

God this generation is so screwed.

[@Voidzi3._]

@@skibiditoiletulitmate55 hel nah

[@stage6ballsackcancer]

@@NeighMooShow peniz you skibidi 😂😂😂

[@Robogamer30O0]

I think ist a dislike button XD

[@timohara7717]

This is why people are carming over these addons

[@onemoreweirdo207]

That somewhat concerns me First they disallowed java modders to sell their mods, along with a bunch of others silly rules. Now they create a platform for people to monatise their mods WITHIN the game. I fear that they'll try to pull off the same for java since creators will now have no choice than to sells their mods through mojang if they want any revenue.

[@_BangDroid_]

Java mods just all need to collectively rename themselves as Add-ons. Problem solved

[@witherschat]

The thing is, a lot of mod developers do not want to sell their mods, because selling them comes with a *lot* of responsibilities, such as maintenance, properly researched minimum and recommended specs, etc. I'd link to someone who explains it better than me but youtube hates links so IDK if it would work. I'll try in a second comment, but if you never see it, you'll know it didn't work.

[@onemoreweirdo207]

@@witherschat I'm not talking about those people, I'm talking about the ones that do and make a living out of it. With these changes in guidlines mojang is essentially forcing them to give them a part of their profits iof they wish to continue making money.

[@kwinnythefirst]

biggest complaint is that all the add-on blocks and items are entities. you dont break them like normal blocks and you cant place other blocks onto them. that and you lose achievements.

[@sekretboi]

this is false. idk what addons you’re downloading but you can create your own blocks, as blocks and items as items

[@KetoCommander]

​@@sekretboiVery hard to do since Bedrock has poor modding support, people often take the easy route and make the blocks entity because of the entity interaction feature.

[@chinchinlovs6563]

The aren't just gonna enable achievements on mods lol

[@DexGen2002]

Furniture addon did this but its not even dumb looking they have animations and all. Artic Snow Phoenix did not and when u hit the add on stuff they flashed red and made a dmg sound.

[@redshift739]

Java mods still have achievements because they're world specific

[@SuperNovaVerse]

It makes no sense. Theyre making the most SHIIIIIITIEST possible add-ons, and expecting money for it, but their making it against their TOS to sell mods!?? Or several things related to selling on owned servers!? Theyre prices are INSANE too!! The biggest kid targeted scam Ive seen since fortnite. Its legal but insanely taking advantage of the not knowing kids, it should be illegal to sell like this, because theyre so bad at adding updates for people to want to download theyre game they have to make theyre money LITERALLY off kids, and NOT IN A GOOD WAY, NOT BECAUSE THEY LIKE THE GAME, IT IS UNFAIR!!

[@Nozzle893]

Facts bro

[@fldom4610]

there are addons not mods, and it was a community idea

[@kristilebym271]

Well the mods arent that bad If your a java player youre gonna obviously find something to rant about The bedrock mutants mod is way more lively but less iconic

[@smeggiamagarwine]

​@@fldom4610semantics

[@primalpeashooter]

even then for fortnite its just cosmetics and are completely optional (but they do exploit your fomo a lot though) but for this, these mods actually have a purpose and are free on java. and a lot of these mods could either be plagiarized or be extremely low quality and are selling them for stupid high prices, some are like 6 BUCKS

[@thedoconscratch]

2:40 ...that's a hammer, phoenix

[@MrRingCake]

For me this "Minecraft Marketplace" remembers me of the "Creation Club" created by Bethesta, that also got releast in the year of 2017 for Fallout 4 It went horribly

[@Athai_]

And it still is going horribly

[@JohnDoe-hj9fh]

It had a bad community response but it still made them a bunch of money. Y'all gotta stop saying things "went horribly" because gamers cried on twitter

[@ss3nm0dn4r8]

@@JohnDoe-hj9fhstop taking but it earned them money in the short term at face value

[@MrRingCake]

@@JohnDoe-hj9fh yes there cryed because it was an fast only money grab and now more and more people don't play Bethesta games. I don't Know you but would't you to be pretty mad if u buy yourself a Pizze, get that delivert to you're Home, you pay up in full price, open up the box and in it is one slice of Pizza and a note that says: "MOD THE REST YOURESELF, DUMMY XD"

[@Uncle_Dave_Dave]

you can't build a funcrtional economy nickel and diming people for pleasure. this shit ain;'t working dog tell your powerful friends to get a new strategy before this boils completely out of your control forever.@@JohnDoe-hj9fh

[@AlrenClan]

I can’t believe that 2017 was 7 years ago that’s actually crazy

[@StrayNeko3331]

But still there will be a lots of limitation on creating mods on Bedrock, e.g. the G-thing that Mojang doesn't like. It's not "how you want to play", it's more "how we allow you to play".

[@fldom4610]

bedrock mods suck anyways bedrock is not that much for modding.

[@minhtranquoc8122]

@@fldom4610 there used to be bedrock mods but they are kinda trash and outdated (maybe not the chinese mods)

[@JamStan1978]

no they are good now lol @@fldom4610

[@sekretboi]

Okay, so you don’t know this but marketplace developers have access to a developer version of Minecraft that allows them to mod and create freely. (which is unfair for normal independent modders) it’s clear they don’t have limitations if you’ve seen the stuff they made

[@sekretboi]

@Kira-hr5iu yea and i get that, i was just mentioning how unfair it was cause a lot of people had major distaste towards mojang for hiding a “useful product” but i just wanted to make it clear that modding on bedrock is not extremely limited, it’s just locked to the public.

[@Funnyhaha34]

in fallout 4 and skyrim special edition there is the creation club which is basically paid mods but they also have an option of normal mods that don't need to be paid for

[@smeggiamagarwine]

which are all broken lmao.

[@skyless_moon]

​@@smeggiamagarwineas broken as pc mods? Since most of the time its the same creators who upload and maintain them

[@skyless_moon]

To be fair though, CC and mods used to be separated, only now they have unified both, but actual CC branded stuff stills is paid, the only difference is that we now also have non CC content that is also paid. I think this is due to them opening it for creators more, so you dont need to be affiliated with CC to make money, but im not sure.

[@Dazeroh]

until they don't.@@skyless_moon

[@saalok]

At least Creation Club is official content, they did recently add "verified creations" that are just paid mods though.

[@dragonlazer]

Hammer: exists PhoenixSC: Is that a gun?

[@neonotterpop2528]

Bro really said: Gun? sorry. Gun? sorry. Gun? sorry. Gun? sorry. Gun-

[@rickhuisman7723]

so we have tourettes@@neonotterpop2528

[@willhuman641]

I feel like this is another step towards weakening the Java version, if all the best mod authors move mainly to Bedrock (because that's where the money is), Java's modding scene will gradually shrink and wither away, because there's no incentive for it. Me and my friends started playing Minecraft a long time ago, now we're all adults and Java mods are the only thing that'll occasionally bring everyone back to MC to do a run, usually once every other year or so. If Bedrock lures all the mod authors away, those new modpacks that brought all my old friends back together will stop existing on Java, and start being made to be placed behind a paywall, and another piece of my old childhood will die. The old MC KZbinrs all quit, and if Microsoft keeps pushing Minecraft the direction it's going with the microtransactions, auto-censoring, and chat reporting, me and all my old friends are probably gonna end up quitting to.

[@EvilGeniys]

It's been 4 months, how's it going? How many people went to bedrock?

[@lordmarum]

The positive of modders being able to get money is undeniable, but I'm more than happy to have mods be just passion projects. They were always that way, and they are that way in many many games, where you can find the dumbest stuff in the planet right next to an incredibly well made mod. I'm worried that making them chargable will shift the marketplace into what roblox is doing right now, where a lot of the games you can play in there are not made because people had an idea and the passion to execute it, but because they wanted (or needed) some money, which honestly I can't tell if that would have a positive or negative impact in the quality and passion put into these projects.

[@daenite2480]

2:40 that's a hammer

[@iTsDread382]

it really wasn't that hard to tell phoenix lol

[@chickengaming4344]

I'd love to see him draw a picture of a (idk if you can say that word in comments so Imma play safe) lol

[@content9593]

Nah, totally a gun

[@somedudethatripsplanetinha4221]

It's totally the Uzi from the hit country Israel, smh

[@EeveeRealSenpai]

Funny looking axe

[@XVYQ_EY]

Microtransactions if full price game? Someone here has fucked up mind.

[@Ver11111]

Only 30 USD, but microtransactions still don't belong in a game you pay for.

[@riztiz]

This isn't lootboxes lmao. The marketplace is a platform for creators to host their work and earn revenue from it.

[@itz.just_nullproductions1038]

@@riztiz despite the fact phoenix said he makes content on there and doesn't get paid for it

[@Ver11111]

@@riztiz also despite the fact mod developers have been doing amazing work for free for years

[@ploopy2436]

cough cough... call of duty... cough cough

[@vennstudios9885]

Imagine if a Marketplace Modder translated Java Mods into Bedrock add-ons while monetizing it even though it's not theirs... then the original modder of said mod sees it and it getting monetized, they would either make their own mod an addon for free. but still... the marketplace targets children so it's bad

[@_BangDroid_]

Mod authors just need to call them Add-ons now, then they can use the same ToS workaround to make money

[@KajtekBeary]

that actually happen. At least twice. Once it was even with a mod that's author works in mojang currently (Aether). The other one was iwth faithfull resourcepack

[@CodexAdrian]

This doesn't happen anymore (tho it has in the past) and Microsoft doesn't approve projects that do this now because they dont want to be seen as sanctioning theft

[@KajtekBeary]

@@CodexAdrian ether dimension is still on the marketplace (but is no longer called aether), but it seems that some of those stolen creations (like faithful) were actually removed.

[@blacklight683]

the title:hmmmmm....money money money -mr.krabs probably

[@randomguyonyt9052]

2:30 its a hammer . - .

[@Singularityyyy]

The funny thing is, is that if you want to supply your own shaders that maybe you downloaded somewhere on the internet to bedrock it wont work anymore, no matter what shader it is, and they have disabled this since 1.20, now i suspect that the only shaders that work are marketplace ones, which absolutely sucks given that it worked before that update and now no shader does because of MiNeCoInS 💸💸💸

[@IDontFeelLikeItOk]

In bedrock, you could already get mods from add-on websites. There's no reason to make this at all. Pricing mutant mobs addon is stupid as you can literally download it for free from like mcpedl

[@giratina6665]

If you're on a PC or on mobile

[@patolukeee]

​@@giratina6665También se puede en consola,solo que es más complicado,pero no imposible

[@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890]

4:37 it looked like he tried to :(

[@bobpaxe1291]

My biggest concerns for a feature like this are quality control, but mainly what kind of cut is Mojang taking? making mods is hard work, and it wouldn't hugely surprise me if the modders were getting a pretty poor cut of the profit made from their own work.

[@oneplay5570]

Mods should not be monetized buts it ok to ask for donations of possible. That way they can get full price

[@RomanianSlav]

Mojang 2010: we will NOT make 3d models for those textures, stop asking us for furniture. Mojang 2024: you want furniture? have it, please continue to play our game

[@hoeton3]

5:05 did he just blink, i didn't know you could blink.

[@mrdudeis_no]

welp thats minecraft bedrock to ya

[@malvadochefe]

You can blink, and Bedrock has animations in emotes that you can buy too, like waving

[@siluss]

​@@malvadochefeme in the year 2040 having to pay to walk

[@Meletion1]

@@malvadochefewaving is free, breakdancing will be like 10$💀

[@GREENKNIGHT5]

ha ametshers

[@TypicalDaveMC]

6:33 PLEASE PLAY GEOMETRY DASH I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT!!!!!

[@mr.dragon.purple9209]

WE NEED GD WITH MINECRAFT!

[@t-pos]

funny how i just started geometry dash too

[@TypicalDaveMC]

@@t-pos been playing since 2018 and have almost 4 extreme demons and almost my first creator points. It's really hard get out while you still can!

[@Thescatyman]

Started when 2.2 came

[@SuperDominicS]

I literally jumped at him opening gd, peenix with geode power would be cool

[@Akab]

So sad that everything has to be about making money nowadays... we used to make mods for fun. 😬

[@cola98765]

Java modders still do.

[@oneplay5570]

@@cola98765 java still do which is a good thing.

[@pixlisreal]

Gaming as an industry started off with devs who made games so that the people could have fun and nothing else. Then we went to undercooked products that were made solely to make a profit and nothing else. Then we went to removing rewards from games and selling them in premium shops and battlepasses. Now even modders, the last people we had who made things so that people could have fun and nothing else, are getting monetized by Bethesda and Mojang. Darkest timeline I swear

[@Blue-fg8vt]

I think this is better then how it was before were these addons still existed but stuck in one place instead of being able able to use anywhere, but theirs probably many many flaws in the system that people who know more about it can say

[@FelineDeskFan13]

8:00 Bedrock doesn’t have a functional pause menu lmao

[@Abstract007]

Java feels like an open free place, bedrock feels like a shiny decorated box that tries to imitate that

[@joxii__]

With having no clue of anything going on surrounding it, I was actually really happy to see add-ons finally be added. People had been asking for ages to have behaviour packs that could be applied to your own worlds instead of just a preset world. That being said, I don't know anything else going on, I just know I was pissed that we couldn't use behaviour packs on their own for a while. No clue why they didn't just set it so that behaviour packs could be used on player worlds but whatever, this is the next best thing.

[@wizardly9211]

I don't have an issue with this concept normally, however I think the main issue comes in when the Java modding scene is actively hurt because of the existence of the market place. We already have examples like the naturalist mod adding far more content to the addon rather than the mod, and even the author on curseforge has made it clear the mod will only receive a few more, smaller updates. It's very clear to see that the mod will have Java support dropped entirely in the near future, and I guarantee that similar, larger mods will follow suit. I entirely support devs and their need to make a living, but I can't support devs who actively kill off other versions of the game.

[@_BangDroid_]

We need to normalize donating to mod authors

[@gabrielandy9272]

@@_BangDroid_ modding exist for over 20 years, and donating never worked very well, this will never happen sorry.

[@EvilGeniys]

I looked at the market, during this time only one mod for Bedrock was sold. I believe that Microsoft is betting on the wrong horse, because mod authors start their careers out of love for creativity, and Java gives freedom of expression, but out of love for money, scammers enter the market.

[@DonnieDoodles]

Bruh, when Bethesda put out the source ports of classic Doom in Unity, they offered Wads curated but they didn't charge for them. If you're gonna add mod support like this, the least you can do is not charge for them.

[@Cube-xm6vt]

It allows modders to make money from it. As far as I can tell modders can still put stuff up for free if they want, they just also have the option to monetize it.

[@DonnieDoodles]

@@Cube-xm6vt Fair enough, but you could also just pay them for the mods you curate. Or if one is insistent on charging for them, working on a consistent pack for sale as DLC with Modders. Bethesda hasn't added official support for Terry Wads as free DLC to my knowledge.

[@okOne_]

Im not a bedrock player, but i think addons were always free, like all the maps on the marketplace. Mojang doesn't even know how the community always was!

[@emilydavidson8844]

Addons are free on websites and mojang devs support it

[@GenmDev-yb2mx]

It’s microsoft who is the problem

[@iTsDread382]

you always had to pay

[@okOne_]

​@@GenmDev-yb2mxye they just want to milk parents wallets.

[@DiamondMaster115]

I agree with you on this. It's nothing to get overly mad about. Yes, micro transactions are bad, but it's only really a problem as soon as people start abusing this part of the marketplace too. Once that happens, it's a much bigger issue, but I don't think we should just jump the gun and assume the worst.

[@guavapaste]

What's even crazier about all of this is that 1. They DID sell add-ons before, but they would come bundled with a world so you couldn't make a new world with it, and 2. It's still possible to download add-ons for free. The problem is, as you said it yourself, Microsoft Partners have access to a better tool then other creators, and most of them are creating paid add-ons for the Marketplace.

[@Seth-Halo]

TLDR: They have sold mods for a long time. Just cause you can use them in more than their own world doesn't really matter. Mods are mod. Data packs are mods. This isn't remotely new. Everything on it before was this. Sure these are not restricted to a specific world but the other things where still mods. Don't act like it's anything new. It isn't remotely new and is one of the reasons I hate bedrock edition. It's greedy and scummy. And worse than selling mods is they sell skins and skin segments.

[@HmImAnonymous]

Why do people always forget that we have our own modding sites?

[@DexGen2002]

Bc console players cant use them and atleast these are safer for kids to use

[@HmImAnonymous]

@@DexGen2002 I’m a console user…I mod Minecraft everyday lol

[@skepabbas9400]

Cause they’re young and weren’t around when addons were first released in 2016 and addons aren’t really talked about in the main bedrock community

[@HmImAnonymous]

@@skepabbas9400 tbh I only use the free addons

[@ElectroYTlol]

@@DexGen2002there is a way

[@dragonridertechnologies]

I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner. Note that this was also after they just changed the ToS to make it a lot harder if not impossible to make money from modding in _Java._

[@scottwesner9362]

I believe this is very hypocritical, saying people can't sell their mods/plug-ins yet they have a marketplace that lets them get money.

[@AutTheWizard]

Mojang really pulling a Bethesda 😭

[@SpunkMayo]

Microsoft* pulling a *Microsoft

[@AutTheWizard]

@@SpunkMayoBethesda added their paid mods long before they were bought by microsoft.

[@cola98765]

@@AutTheWizard which makes me wonder if it's not Bethesda people that suggested this idea for MC.

[@stolendiamond09]

Idk why mojang is acting like add-ons are new, the only new thing seems to be their addition to the marketplace. Add-ons have been around for ages, distributed for free online the same way mods are.

[@QuietBorb]

My worry is that well get the same issue that we had with texture packs. People straight up stealing other people's work from java. And also qc

[@Elementening]

2:44 "is that an axe? thats a gun. is that a pickaxe? is that a gun? thats a gun. thats a GUN." that is indeed, a hammer

[@Lego_man165]

Main problem i have with Bedrock is the controls and UI arent the same as Java when playing mouse and keyboard. It feels weird to play and should feel the same at the very least.

[@Astinel]

1. make mods that people want in vanilla Minecraft 2. profit

[@mammamiawhygod2091]

They don't even allow dimension addons from my knowing. That makes no sense whatsoever. I should really get back into playing the Java version more because holy cow being a Bedrock player is awful and I spent my Birthday money on Marketplace stuff that wasn't even good. :V

[@hangmanindustrial5262]

The bigger issue is that there ARE bedrock mods. They are complex and some of them are near as complex as java mods, but using them on most consoles is now nearly impossible because mojang has patched out every way to install mods.

[@orangefencepost]

6:34 Fire in the hole!! 🗣🔥🔥🔥

[@MD_4EVER0]

Yes .

[@thevalarauka101]

funny that this has been around for ages and now they're introducing it like it's a new thing

[@hehasnolips1371]

Well obviously but ur talking about 3rd party addons from a cheap website that starts with a m and ends with an l I’m sorry but I’ll stick with better quality addons from the market place

[@Chloedasher]

​@@hehasnolips1371no, he literally says in the video it's been around since 2017

[@remor698]

Yeah, we straight up have 3 separate definitions for add-ons in the Minecraft space now and 2 of them are official. 1) An add-on is a mod that specifically builds on top of an already existing mod. 2) An add-on is a datapack style addition you add while setting up a new Bedrock Edition world. 3) An add-on is meant to be the Bedrock Edition equivalent of a Java mod, capable of being added to already existing worlds. What's even better is that there is no add-on tab in the world creation menu, you are apparently meant to toss that stuff into "behavior packs" (correct me if I'm wrong) and Mojang failed to accompany the addition of the add-on category in the marketplace with the ability to filter for add-ons as a content pack type.

[@robogod5433]

At this point Minecraft isn’t even fun anymore with all the controversies, inconsistencies, and the constant negativity in and for the game. It’s like everything that happens with the game there’s always so much hate.

[@No-Me3]

It worked so well for Bugthesda, after all.

[@granchito]

the fact that some cost money is so weird to me, i know people need ways to make money, but bedrock addons have been available for free for quite some time

[@salgone]

And they're somehow better quality than paid addons for some reason?

[@Cherrienovy]

​@@salgone Free mods (or add-ons) developers usually put more effort than all the Mojang Developers combined (take L' Ender Cataclysm as example, a free java mod yet the biomes, mobs, and features looks really great, especially with shaders). Paid mods could be either great or a quick cash grab (aka they don't care about quality, they care about the quantity the mod/addon make (capitalism but in a smaller scale)).

[@salgone]

@@Cherrienovy Yeah this makes sense, really sucks that the developers don't put this much effort into their updates. Modders are actually killing it

[@teekameeka6423]

I think the only thing that’s weird is that you have to buy vanilla Skyblock on bedrock additions. Not sure what to feel about buying mods though, it would be nice if you could trial them before purchasing