Mojo 🔥 - a new programming language for AI developers (first look)

[@dhaval1489]

Javascript : unending Framework wars Python : unending Replacement wars 😂

[@prashlovessamosa]

Bro I had a good laugh thanks.

[@patloeber]

haha

[@markzuckerbread1865]

I am working on a machine learning project, and currently I have like 5 different platforms competing for my attention, cython, codon, pypy, julia............

[@SamualN]

the wars make us stronger

[@xavieradrien3547]

let them try 😈

[@anthonyraf]

I'm still waiting for python 4

[@doezage]

It’s not coming

[@melol69]

im still waiting for Python: The Sex Update

[@alexander_adnan]

😂😂😂

[@alexander_adnan]

Me lol, hahaha😂😂😂😂😂

[@sarangkkl214]

its not coming

[@chndrl5649]

One thing I know about programmers is that we hate rewriting everything. Good luck Modular!

[@patloeber]

haha

[@TadaHrd]

The devs will probably do something to add support fro regular Python code

[@theflag2328]

Apparently its actually a superset of python, so everything python just "works", only faster

[@fabriperoconalgomasytodojunto]

That's why it's really exciting to hear that it's a superset and not a whole new another language you gotta learn, once it's ready you should be able to just run your python code there and with extra performance

[@harshulgaba9145]

Honestly... An AI like chatGPT can probably rewrite everything in modular.

[@CppExpedition]

Wow i'm impressed for sure! I was long time expecting a C compiler but with Python sintax. Mojo looks quite promising! Keep us updated please!

[@patloeber]

Indeed!

[@agustinpizarro]

nim language since 10 years ago

[@CppExpedition]

@@agustinpizarro interesting! thx.

[@md.musfiqurrahaman8612]

It seems like combination of C, C++, Python, JavaScript and Rust!😛

[@Lemon-lp1qb]

Yeah correct. A combination of their best parts, it seems. But can it be as they claim? Only time will tell. I will be eagerly waiting for mojo.

[@sergioquijanorey7426]

Kinda like the forbidden child of Rust + Python

[@cholst1]

Tython, Pythons Typescript

[@chndrl5649]

Same feeling

[@neocrz]

yeah

[@dojjy5798]

@@cholst1 I thought Typescript only prevents type errors/unwanted mutation of variable type from happening, without improving the speed? This can already be done if you open type check in your Python code editor (by using type hints)

[@josefhamelink6049]

This sounds like python but with all of the features that keep it from being a god tier language. I'd love to live in a world where mojo is successful 👽

[@user-lt2rw5nr9s]

It sounds really powerful and I'm glad my favorite language is getting lower level support (hopefully not just for AI use cases) and a speed up. I haven't tried out anything like Cython before, but for some reason I'm really geeked about Mojo. If it's not all that hard to get a speed boost, I'd definitely take it up.

[@OneTrueBIue]

Would be great if they add some properties and abilities of R

[@philiprhome3824]

please dear Patrick, your thoughts about Julia

[@PRATAPSINGHSHEKHAWAT]

Modular team knows about it and they have shown appreciation for julia language.

[@glenhinkle]

"What can we name this language? Let's take the most popular web framework from another language, and use that name. That way google searches won't be confusing at all."

[@patloeber]

haha

[@avi7278]

You still use Google?

[@AnilAnvesh]

I will hold my horses until public release and reviews from pro coders 🔥

[@someghosts]

Anything Chris touches I’m interested in immediately

[@Pau_AnalysisParalysis]

After 1month. Our company is looking for Mojo developer with at least 3+ years of experience 😂😂😂

[@abdurrahamanrony7601]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@danielnsozi4537]

As long as I hear the word Python, am good to go. Thanks

[@patloeber]

haha, nice!

[@TadaHrd]

I don't understand why people like python so much but it's the same for me with Rust

[@durgeshkshirsagar116]

This is Python only with new coat that it bought last Christmas 😂😂

[@encapsulatio]

So this is basically the beginning of Python++ programming language.

[@LukeBarousse]

This looks very promsing for AI (obvioulsy i'm biased with the build for Python) 😜 Chris's interview on Lex's podcast was super interesting!

[@nilechunky]

Came across your channel this week. Clear and concise content... subbed 👍

[@khushpatel6296]

Hello Patrick, I am asking here as this is your latest video, I have seen your videos regarding Langchain, I am curious how to optimize inference while using LLMs in Langchain using TensorRT or Onnx Runtime... As in Industries, It's very obvious, to save the time as well as computation cost... In TensorRT while using open source models, we have techniques like quantization and a few more more for that... So In Langchain is there any way to do this?

[@Lucas-gg9yb]

Very interesting! Does it works with pip packages like flask and tensorflow?

[@patloeber]

you can import third-party modules, but I'm not sure if it works with all at the moment

[@vectoralphaSec]

This language just killed C, C++, Python, Rust. All of the benefits of those languages in one language. Why would anyone use any of those when we can now use Mojo and have everything from all the other languages. The future of AI development is going to go superspeed.

[@omegaman7377]

The Python syntax is a major turn-off. 🤮Making a copy and paste is a huge challenge with python.

[@vectoralphaSec]

@Omega Man turn off for you. It's not for many other people. If anything python syntax is a positive.

[@snailedlt]

I hope they add configs to let us choose whether or not we want to enforce strict typing... so that we can migrate easily from python without strict typing, and turn it on later on when types are set

[@nicdgonzalez]

They added new keywords for statically typed functions and classes. For dynamic typing, you use the original def and class keywords, for static typing you use the new fn and struct.

[@randombleachfan]

Ah, just what the world needs, another programming language to spawn more AI. Before we know it, AI will be building even better AI. 😂

[@vectoralphaSec]

Yes its what I've always wanted.

[@brianj7204]

I try to run Stable Diffusion locally on my computer but its so slow. It currently runs on python and requires a really good GPU. Do you think using Mojo 🔥in the future would completely erase the need for a strong GPU because the programming language is so fast? Or do you think it wont affect the GPU requirements at all?

[@Prakhar_Choubey]

I would say that it would be premature for us to verify. However, this is a development that certainly demands attention.

[@harish00784]

Excited for an alternative programming language for AI with faster computation but as you said have to wait. I beleive in two years things might change in favour of Mojo... Hope🤞

[@AWriterWandering]

What I’m curious to know is how does Mojo compare to the more established python superset, Cython?

[@Aldraz]

My only question is.. is this faster than Codon ? Because Codon is C speed as well and it's almost pure python.

[@howuhh8960]

codon it not superset of python, so mojo is more general

[@maelstrom254]

Same as Julia, but with Python syntax. But Julia is mature and production ready

[@vectoralphaSec]

But it wasn't at one point when it was new.

[@nullpointer1755]

@@vectoralphaSec Like every other piece of technology when its new?

[@vectoralphaSec]

@@nullpointer1755 yeah that's what he doesn't understand

[@32zim32]

It was just a matter of time when llvm will lead to 20 new languages which do almost the same things

[@patloeber]

haha

[@Food_india_smile]

What is llvm ?

[@diadetediotedio6918]

Lol, LLVM existed for almost 20 years, I think your predictions are weird.

[@nicdgonzalez]

@@Food_india_smile LLVM is a framework for writing compilers. LLVM/clang is one of the major compilers for C, the language that wrote Python.

[@pearlstar159]

Can you use a spread sheet as an attribute code source

[@sabaokangan]

Thank you so much for sharing this dive into Mojo for us. Your clear down to earth videos help slowpokes like me in more ways than I can describe

[@greendsnow]

Can it port all those libraries as well?!

[@vectoralphaSec]

It's backwards compatible with all Python libraries.

[@manojkothwal3586]

Same Chris Lattner the persona behind LLVM ?

[@vectoralphaSec]

Yes

[@DMSBrian24]

Closed source, no distributed binary, inflated performance claims by comparing distributed code running on a cluster with the worst possible scenario in python running on a single thread rather than equivalent features provided by its libraries... Sounds like some pre-alpha vaporware to me, let me know when it actually releases, opens up the source code and lets me do a fair benchmark against sth like numpy or even pyspark, which I wouldn't be surprised if they simply used behind the scenes since the performance difference would sound about right in that case lmao

[@akaalkripal5724]

What happens to Julia's USP of eliminating the two language problem in scientific computing, machine learning?

[@Stopinvadingmyhardware]

Interoperability with Julia?

[@nocopyrightgameplaystockvi231]

Python will still be my favourite. Whatever Mojo or Gojo comes, is not going to replace python.

[@matijaxzivkovic8843]

Thanks for this video. We want more this kind of video.

[@JStevenAR]

Another progamming language that claims its usability like python and performance like C is Nim. Pretty good

[@pikaa-si9ie]

So the file extension is just ....🔥? That's not gonna be problematic

[@vectoralphaSec]

Besides finding it in keyboard it shouldn't really be a problem.

[@nicdgonzalez]

It’s an alias. The real extension is '.mojo'.

[@laszloszoke18]

Mojo arrived; I've been waiting.

[@MagnusAnand]

looks interesting

[@ameynaik2743]

How and why will it be faster than cpp? Can you explain that a bit more? thanks for these great overview videos!

[@Rakesh37187]

Well like stated in the video, the actual implementation seems to be in CPP

[@diadetediotedio6918]

@@Rakesh37187 When in the vídeo this is said?

[@Rakesh37187]

@@diadetediotedio6918 I apologize. I seem to have misinterpreted what he said

[@Jason-b9t]

Basically it will have static classes/types, pointers (manually allocate memory), parallelization. If you just use the native python syntax it won't be very fast, but rewriting it into Mojo Lang's new extended syntax can be expected to be at least as fast as C++.

[@immortalbk00]

if we can move away from dependency on CUDA, makes ARM CPU run faster, and MOJO supports AMD hardware...hell yeah !! One language to rule them all , abstracting the hardware layer!

[@TadaHrd]

This is the Rust killer

[@patloeber]

I don't think so ;) But yeah it has interesting features

[@TadaHrd]

@@patloeber it would be cool to have a faster Python wirh the safety of Rust

[@vectoralphaSec]

​@TadaHrd lol that is literally what Mojo is.

[@vectoralphaSec]

Yeah.

[@paulberger8213]

Well, with ChatGPT and the likes or maybe a new king on the hill, a stealth Apple large language model transformer behemoth, we might have this ready in about one month, i.e. for the next WWDC, LOL

[@patloeber]

👀

[@islam_095._]

Aviator game predictor algorithm ??

[@oujeboland]

Just tell chatgpt create a new programming language with power of c++ and syntax and libraries of python. You made the most powerfull and easy to learn and read programming language !

[@kennethbeal]

Sounds like bringing Rust concepts to Python?

[@736939]

Rust + Python = Mojo

[@matis9783]

Will this language be usefull only for AI applications or will it be a general purpouse language and could be used for e.g. web development? What do you think Patrick?

[@suberkid18]

You can still run your python code with mojo, you can still you native python libraries without doing anything at all, Atleast that’s what they say

[@mahmoudtokura]

Looks like Rust and Python combined.

[@vectoralphaSec]

Yeah the best of both worlds.

[@unflexian]

python with ownership and structs? sign me right up

[@patloeber]

haha yeah

[@vectoralphaSec]

And types and is compiled. It's basically C, C++, Python, Rust all in one language.

[@rec-trick]

support web api ?

[@user-cf8cr1yb8w]

Comparing Julia, does it have advantage. Julia is faster than Python.

[@Cd5ssmffan]

@evanshlom6912 🤓

[@patloeber]

Julia is great, too. Mojo tries to solve a slightly different use case

[@vectoralphaSec]

Mojo should be faster than Julia.

[@omegaman7377]

@Evan Shlom Until you have to deal with very large arrays.

[@DarrenJohn10X]

"*let* is *immutable*, var is mutable" [ES6 veterans have entered the chat 😬]

[@FF_INX]

Can mojo be used in place of python in Data Science in the near future ?

[@greendsnow]

nope. it's useless unless AI itself ports all the DS libs into... what was the name of that language again?

[@default2826]

@@greendsnow mojo is already backwards compatible with all python libraries…

[@vectoralphaSec]

Yes. It can do everything python can do and more.

[@tulliolevichivita5130]

The question is: What about Julia?

[@ThomazMartinez]

This one is a bit confusing, can i write games with this?

[@csaratakij6339]

Too good to be true, but we shall see.

[@noertri618]

I am still waiting python on browser

[@jedediah-fanuel]

Interesting

[@parthapratimsamanta3982]

I would rather prefer Cython. It is free and open source.

[@patloeber]

yeah hopefully the open-source it soon

[@vectoralphaSec]

Yeah but so will this too.

[@encapsulatio]

Except with Cython you don't have really smart engineers optimizing MLIR(Mojo's compiler infrastructure) to work with exotic hardware that are used in cloud accelerators from many vendors....and you don't have Rust like guarantees for safety. You're kind of ...ignorant, to use the polite word.

[@mighnmagic9430]

Can i start learning this from 0?

[@nathanoy_]

Looks kinda like rust and python made a child. hahahaha Going to keep an eye on it

[@vectoralphaSec]

Best of both worlds. Static compiled and Dynamic interpreted.

[@komalbarun]

WE NEED A COMPARISON OF MOJO VS CYTHON NOT CPYTHON!!!

[@omkarmhatre464]

isn't julia doing the same thing?

[@alurma]

One word: Julia

[@alurma]

Oh wow, they have substructural types, like Rust. Interesting then

[@patloeber]

haha Julia is great, too

[@patloeber]

yup

[@vectoralphaSec]

This looks better than Julia.

[@derekstevens164]

so cython?

[@NickWindham]

Julia language team that has been grinding relentlessly for over 10 years only for people to get impressed in under a week by unreleased Mojo’s vapor-ware hype video. 🤦‍♂️

[@bart2019]

Why specifically "for AI developers"?

[@greatreset4118]

This is my dream come true OMG!!!

[@Danielo515]

This sounds like what julia promised

[@tildarusso]

It borrowed a lot of designs from RUST?

[@tekilla79]

A u realy just read disclaimer?

[@LithiumDeuteride-6]

It would be better for Lua to do something similar. I hate Pytuhon.

[@jorgecouchet1081]

Will it support the entire Python ecosystem? In the negative case, it will be almost a complete failure, in the positive case, it might have some chance of success ..

[@ButchCassidyAndSundanceKid]

The claim of 35,000 times faster than Python is a bold statement when it is not independently verified and the language is still in its infancy.

[@longnoseethepreetylady]

I appreciate the content, but I always watch it on mute with subs,

[@plate.armour_0996]

♦️

[@hanulaguvarapu9182]

If create a AI make sure to create a way to destroy it too

[@cbbcbb6803]

When is someone going to have the decency to make a Python version that gets rid of spaces and line feeds as reserved words? I want "if ... end-if" or "def ... end_def" and so on. And what is wrong with hyphenating words rather than underscoring words? Is anyone blind to the fact that that underscore is *not* a space? We are writing computer programs, we are not making literary art. I have no doubt that Python is the perfect language. I still do not like it. Not even a little bit!

[@agustinpizarro]

that is called Ruby

[@cbbcbb6803]

@@agustinpizarro Is Ruby as "good" as python? What does python do that is better than Ruby?

[@agustinpizarro]

@@cbbcbb6803 There is nothing "better", it always depends on the context you use it. Python has lots of libraries available and it seems to be very productive and widely known.

[@lokthar6314]

that crap isn't going nowhere

[@jj2006h]

But Java is only Java ..no replacement.. Not dead yet

[@abulqosimmuhiddinov7204]

WTF 🤬 I always think of python when I see mojo... 😢

[@ujefmalek77]

I'm java fan 😁

[@encapsulatio]

Vector Api plus Foreign Memory API in Java 20 is able to give you the same ergonomics like using C libraries from Python. JNI is out of the picture.

[@jorge1869]

Niche programming languages are prisions for creativity.

[@teslainvestah5003]

uh, no? If you consider a niche language when you already know non-niche languages, you're just learning more languages, and knowing more languages means having more possible sources of inspiration.

[@vectoralphaSec]

You have a very backwards way of thinking.

[@asnaeb2]

Sooo it's a python interprer that isn't compatible with most of python? What a huge waste of time. Might as well use Julia then.

[@TadaHrd]

It's memory safe and fast my guy

[@asnaeb2]

@@TadaHrd You think people haven't thought of making python like that? The speed sacrafices compatibility. There's a reason this isn't compatible with other python libraries.

[@SkyyySi]

No, and it doesn't claim to be. It's a compiled language that just looks like like python.

[@TadaHrd]

@@asnaeb2 and python is a shitty language that NEEDS improvement so the sacrifice is worth it. Besides, Mojo is still in closed-source development so no guarantees.

[@Cd5ssmffan]

@@TadaHrd 🤓

[@patlecat]

LOL what a useless language. Just use C++ and ready tools and libs for it :D

[@mattboh69]

py++

[@caiolicinio7018]

Looks like swift with a different name.

[@vectoralphaSec]

No it looks like python with a different name .

[@evergreen-]

@@vectoralphaSec does python have let for immutable and var for mutable? no? Swift does! Does Python have struct for value types? no? Swift does! Does python have borrow checker semantics? no? Guess what! Swift does, kind of (added to an upcoming version). However, Swift isn’t a superset of python which this is, so it’s much more compelling for python devs

[@caiolicinio7018]

@@evergreen- I believe you can use import Python in swift.. you can use numpy, pytorch and all that. I personally never used, but some time ago there was this Idea that swift was gonna be the new python for ML. There is some classes from fastai about seift, where they show that. Unfortunately it was discontinued..

[@caiolicinio7018]

@@evergreen- it looks like instead of finishing TF for Swift, they cane up with this… hope it gets pll attention.. swift has lots of nice stuff.

[@evergreen-]

@@caiolicinio7018 I personally love swift but, objectively, it has 0 usage outside of apple, so I see why they are doing this instead

[@jorge1869]

It is not open source.

[@XX-vu5jo]

Another nonsense language. Just focus on improving AI in general.

[@yhamainjohn4157]

Encore trop lourdingue ... trop de verbose inutile ...

[@snatvb]

did they use py syntax for pull the blanket over from py community? otherwise I don't understand this choice, 'cause this syntax is horrible - I don't want work as formatter. In any other languages I press hot key and my code becomes pretty - I don't care about fomatting at all

[@vectoralphaSec]

What?

[@snatvb]

@@vectoralphaSec maybe I didn't express myself correctly, could you clarify what you don't understand?

[@andyb2339]

Not open source? No thanks.

[@patloeber]

yeah hopefully they change this soon

[@vectoralphaSec]

They never said it was never gonna be open source. Plus Python isn't open source either.

[@JohnBarbaque]

@@vectoralphaSec if it's not open source now, dont have expectations on that changing

[@filipemtx]

pythonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[@patloeber]

always!

[@yokowasis]

How is this related to Ai? This is just typescript of Javascript.

[@vectoralphaSec]

Because it was specifically designed for AI work and research.

[@TitoMitto]

is this the next Vapourware?