MOMENTS WHERE WE HAVE TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE IN GTA TRILOGY

[@keinzmorrissey]

A character that was innocent and killed was Madd Dogg's manager in the mission Management Issues. He got killed because OG Loc told CJ to kill him for making fun of him.

[@ycnexxx5420]

I wouldn't say so. He said he had connections with ballas

[@tutituti4344]

He also had a girl in the car

[@lewa6984]

@@tutituti4344 and she didn't need to die

[@malikjamal2951]

And later cj becomes madd Doggs manager hahaha that’s even more crazy

[@gaminginvestigators]

Good point. W should add him to this video.

[@yuuyakizami2133]

I know this is from a spin-off on the 3D universe, but Toni Cipriani blowing up an entire district in Liberty City Stories probably made him the killer of possibly hundreds of innocent people

[@gaminginvestigators]

Good point. We didn't see it, but the effects were obvious.

[@bigsmoke6805]

LCS *is* part of 3D universe though

[@bruhford3954]

He is almost the main Villain in his own game

[@Gazpacho834]

And he got paid like 8000 dollars. Toni would probably be on the top of the FBI or Torino’s agency watchlist

[@yuuyakizami2133]

@@Gazpacho834 Actually, it's 5000 dollars

[@Fleetish]

Love or hate CJ for killing those workers, it was a total older sibling moment XD

[@TheBreakingBenny]

It was such a scary moment that in the Japanese version localized by Capcom, the workers were said to be Ballas-aligned. There were many other characters whom were called as such because Capcom was greatly against players attacking random civilians, and thus you get a wanted star whenever you fire a gun regardless of whether anyone witnessed it or not. It would've been easier to have Deconstruction restrict you from using anything but fists, brass knuckles, bats, clubs, nightsticks or shovels on the workers; that would've made him less hypocritical given only Catalina'd feel justified in even decapitating whoever calls her a hooker.

[@TheSultan1470]

He doesn't die. They dug him up.

[@hughjanus9557]

@@TheSultan1470 there is no way he would have had enough oxygen to survive until they found him. Nobody would have known where he was and by the time they would have gotten all the concrete out of the hole, he would have died.

[@TheSultan1470]

@@hughjanus9557 There is a radio news segment, I think

[@hughjanus9557]

@@TheSultan1470 I had seen that afterwards. Lol you wouldn't think that guy would survive! Lol

[@Szmergiel747]

In Key To Her Heart, which is a side mission, that is part of preparation for the casino heist in Las Venturas, CJ has to "deal" with a gimp that is coming to Millie's house, so he could take his place. Also, CJ doesn't have to date with Millie to get the keycard. He can "deal" with her as well. NOTE: Because the game does not tell you about this option, I assume it is not cannon, but, it's still there.

[@shariqhasan6220]

Yes you can kill Millie to get the card earlier but then you won't be able to achieve 100% completion, since 35% progress with Millie is a required task and her death is permanent.

[@AIMalek]

@@shariqhasan6220 it isn't I killed her and still got 100

[@mauricehamilton4025]

You don't have to kill her

[@mont9150]

When i was a child, and i saw how cjs horribly kill the man by drowning him in hot cement, im shocked. Now, im still shocked. So cruel!!!!

[@ИмяФамилия-щ4й5й]

Don't take it too serious. We're all gonna die, one day or another.

[@mont9150]

@@ИмяФамилия-щ4й5й what 😐 I don't want to die like that bro. Now u fall into my trap!!!! GIMME ALL OF UR MONEY RITE NOW!!! 🔫😳

[@lucasmartinez5703]

Don't screw with CJ's sister is the message there. Dude sees red when family gets hurt. Which makes sense since the plot gets kicked off after his mom died.

[@dexenationgracey1979]

@@lucasmartinez5703 Dude buried him alive because of cat calling, which the Foreman not have even done.

[@Fireglo]

Look up Joe Burrus if you wanna be even more shocked xD

[@viejos1000]

5:24 the driver that’s an undercover cop is actually a parody of John Tanner from the Driver series. Specifically that cut scene where you see him running was a little joke to how the character runs sorta feminine like in driver 2, which also was the first time you were able to walk around freely and steal cars.

[@TheBreakingBenny]

He does run like a fool in Driver 2, but I can blame his silly animation there on the publisher demanding Reflections Interactive hurry up with the game.

[@wfanking1187]

People may call Niko moral but he was a former human trafficker, and despite saying he regretted it he had no probs kidnapping Gracie, and did killed the honest lawyer who was just offering him a job and was charitable man for money. He is hypocritical and says all the regretting bs but does anything if the price is right.

[@Samsonig]

Niko is doing this because of roman, roman keeps getting in debt and niko needs the money so roman doesnt keep getting kidnapped from loan sharks

[@wfanking1187]

@@Samsonig not all those were for Roman, he kept money for himself too, and killed off most of Roman's debt collectors. Niko is no saint, non of the GTA protagonists are (tho I must say vic Vance is by far the most moral, he never wanted to be in crime but was forced into in by Martinez but always tried to get out and have a happy life with Louis and help Pete with his medication). CJ did a lot of killings to save Sweet but he did his own immoral stuff no denying that, but GTA 4 fans just outright neglect the wrongs Niko did and try to portray him as a saint. But he had his fare share of wrong doings too, and thats the lesson of life, nobody is perfect and GTA players play as criminals, not as cops. CJ saved Rosenberg, Paul and Macer even tho he did not need them once he came in contact with Salvatore and later knew how to break into the casino. CJ and Sweet helped Big Bear rehab. Also Trevor is often deemed the most immoral but he helped the guy in by the book escape, he didnt back stab Michael in ending B. All of them have done their good and bad, and its a mixture of that which makes them human.

[@Samsonig]

@@wfanking1187 i agree with most of your points but the main reason niko went through all of this because of roman if roman never went in dept vlad wouldn't have been there then niko would of lived a normal life he went into the faustin mafia because of killing vlad roman introduced most of our criminal friends in which niko was forced to help with their work and plus as you said niko killed off most of roman's dept collectors meaning there is people out there who still collect dept from roman

[@MrDanybway]

@@wfanking1187 " its a mixture of that which makes them human"... - Maybe. "LOUD THEME FROM GTAIV"!!!!!!♪♫ You're 100% right anyway; But Niko Bellic may be one of the best written characters in the fact that war destroyed him. He may have been a good guy before and was forced to kill and see horrible things. These things changed him for good. He's not like characters who may be truly evil like some antagonists like Catalina; a lot of main characters grew up in a world where good and evil is not so clear. Michael, with some hypocrisis, said he took the chances he got, Trevor did the army, was traumatized by a weird family and fell into hard drugs... Franklin, Luis, CJ grew up in some places where gangs are normality... Vic Vance was forced.. Then, Tony is THE mafia. Aaaand According to The Professional... Claude is the most evil one. He's not written with depth, he kills whoever you want him to kill.

[@willprox440]

@@MrDanybway Toni is the most f'ed up GTA protagonist in a loong shot. Claude is coldblooded backstabber yes, but Toni is a terrorist and a murderer.

[@Yosh692]

Ray ordered to kill his partner who was also a corrupt cop in GTA Liberty City Stories who was involved with Toni Cipriani , he gave few missions to Toni and in one mission's cutscene we can see Ray too but he looks younger than the one in GTA 3...

[@MrTrollland]

the foreman in the 'deconstruction' mission doesnt actually die. its said on the radio that somebody rescued him after cj filled in the hole with concrete

[@nadermoujaess2410]

After reading your comment I started to search which radio announced his rescue but I didn't find anything yet If you know where I can find it please tell me because what you said was very interesting and a good detail by Rockstar Games

[@gaminginvestigators]

We have to check that :O

[@gaminginvestigators]

Unfortunately we checked every segment of WCTR News created for the game and there is no sign of this foreman so he is definitely dead. 🙂 However, if you have any evidence of that radio announcement, please provide it in the comment, we will be grateful!

[@NEELZE99]

You just pulled this out your a**, didn't you

[@Zehahahahahahahahahahahaha]

Thank you for keeping these games alive

[@gaminginvestigators]

And thank you for watching :)

[@TKnHappyNess]

A lot of murders CJ had to commit because of CRASH were for 2 reasons. 1. Framing him for Pendelbury's murder. 2. After Sweet gets arrested, they threaten to put him on a Ballas cell block. So CJ was doing those to ensure his brother's safety until he meets Mike Toreno later who does free Sweet

[@dexenationgracey1979]

Which makes Deconstruction even more jarring. CJ went out his way to kill someone.

[@buincqv67]

@@dexenationgracey1979 the mission is completely different in the Japanese version. The construction site is working For big smoke and instead of killing them for kendl it’s to hurt smokes connections. Basically the same mission as yay ka boom boom minus the vehicle and destruction

[@ouissam2502]

@@buincqv67 Japanese version is non-canon.

[@vincentbillings6907]

I'm surprised this didn't include Toni Cipriani blowing up half of Fort Staunton all because Donald Love wanted to redevelop it.

[@ifediagbo2740]

It's not part of GTA trilogy

[@gaminginvestigators]

As a Ifedi Agbo wrote in his reply, we only considered GTA Trilogy.

[@SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim]

funny how cj can kill the entirety of los santos but not just kill those crash agents when he meets them

[@gaminginvestigators]

This is GTA, you have to turn a blind eye to some things 😀

[@1982LincolnContinental]

He most likely would’ve had a price on his head. Being very corrupt, the CRASH unit had alot of power

[@KevinSheppard]

Nice little coffee table discussion point.

[@robertclark2253]

Tenpenny was going to implicate CJ in the murder of Pendleberrry which CJ had nothing to do with . Hernandez was coerced by Tenpenny and Pulaski into the murder .

[@maverickmurphy]

The list of people who were actually innocent, had no form of known criminal involvement. GTA III: Mrs Chonks (Marty Chonk's wife), Tanner (undercover cop in the Yakuza), Leone McAffrey (Ray Machowski's former partner). GTA Vice City: Carl Pearson (Pizza delivery man), Candy Suxxx's Agent, Mrs Dawson (woman in yellow comet). GTA San Andreas: Ralph Pendelbury, Madd Dogg's security, Alan Crawford (Madd Dogg's manager) and his wife/girlfriend, the "snitch", the preacher, his bodyguard and the prostitute, the journalist and the reporter (who met at the pier), Benny (Millie's gimp), the DEA agent, Jimmy Hernandez, the dam workers.

[@RabbitSamuraiGaming]

And the pizza parlor

[@MeyerBen27]

I always forget Samuel Jackson did 10Penny's voice

[@sriramsundar8388]

In the mission architectural espionage in GTA SA, we will have to kill an innocent man just to get his camera in the Las Venturas strip.

[@dynasttejumola5251]

Not if you already have one

[@mohdadeeb1829]

8:02 Ouch!

[@matepusztai5713]

I've completed Gta 3, Vice city and also Gta 4 without killing random pedestrian NPC's. It was pretty hard though, because of the bad A.I the civilians always running in your way and it is hard not to hit them with your car.

[@maxwellhuey]

😂😂 they literally dive in front of the car.... strangely enough, cars also seem to swerve into you no matter where you're driving

[@Zoki4444]

The valet from 555 WeTip in GTA: SA. You have to kill him to steal his uniform in order to take the D.A.'s car.

[@robertclark2253]

Idk about that maybe he and the other valets were running a scam where they could overcharge their customers and keep the proceeds . This is speculation of course but with so much crime in these games you never know .

[@CarbonCabron]

Your videos are GOD Mode tier. I really can't believe how much I especially agree with your Kenji take. His death was genuinely effed up in context of GTA 3.

[@NorthernWind_Vlll]

Great video, loved hearing about them, the last one with CJ is truly the most gruesome of the bunch. And ome mission from Vice City for the Biker Gang was to get a hugh wanted level. So canonicaly, Tommy caused a mass murder of cops and people, rampaging the streets of Vice City just to proove a point to the Biker dude.

[@matepusztai5713]

In fact you can do that biker mission without killing anyone. Grab a bike and shoot only the cars. Wait till people run away from the cars and blow up the cars. Your chaos o'meter goes up faster anyway if you are on a car.

[@A-Sarcastic-Guy]

@@matepusztai5713 And what's more is that you don't even get a wanted level for only shooting at cars.

[@josesy-_-boi8354]

The vallet from 555-We Tip

[@Aman--Wangnao77]

I had a copy of Vice city for my PS2. I would just run around the the city decapitating people with my chainsaw. It was so satisfying to hear their screams 😁

[@noonumamber-cringjestersso367]

Gta 4 iz bettar then gta 5

[@anjaneyasreetrout2444]

@@noonumamber-cringjestersso367 better in some aspects. However it's also weaker in some.

[@varunbhatt8215]

@@noonumamber-cringjestersso367 better in some weaker in a lot

[@gaminginvestigators]

Psychopath 😅

[@commie_remover]

You can't in fact decapitate people with a chainsaw in any GTA.

[@Angel6Z4yt]

Your videos always ask interesting questions. I love it!

[@gaminginvestigators]

Thanks 😁

[@malletUsergaming]

Kenji was not innocent in the slightest.

[@PantMal]

Let's not forget the Architectual Espionage mission in GTA SA where you have to kill a bunch of tourists just to get a camera, if you don't have one.

[@Takejiro24]

Kenji "Kay-sen" lol 💀

[@retro-rap5936]

Im New to the channel, and Im loving the vids! Greetings from Ecuador 😄🇪🇨

[@noonumamber-cringjestersso367]

Gta 4 iz bettar then gta 5

[@gaminginvestigators]

Nice to meet you bro 😁 New episodes soon :)

[@errcanay]

Hillary, the getaway driver at the bank job in Vice City. Police kill him while the bank robbery mission. I played Vice City countless time. But whenever i play that mission, i feel sorry for that guy.

[@wiseass2149]

He wasn't innocent, but I felt a little bad for him. Dude should have stayed a racer.

[@TacitusKilgore-b5g]

title: times when we were bad guys games title: grand theft auto everyone: aren't we supposed to be bad guys?

[@gaminginvestigators]

Yes, but we usually kill bad people as well.

[@xignifect]

0:15 John Cena: Are you sure about that?

[@theharmonizer1205]

U missed 555 we tip DEA guy...Wasn't killed but arrested innocent

[@RendezvousDegenerate69]

Man i feel sorry to you.. You put alot of editing in these videos but. The end results are only 24k or 59k 60k views and some tiny bit of comments. But still some people are appreciating your gta content like me the only thing i can give to you was support because im just normal ass dude that barely doesn't have any money and knowledge to create an digital money bank..

[@ALWAREED_]

60k views is a lot don't underestimate it

[@markl5998]

You feel sorry for him? Just shut up.

[@DeadPixel1105]

24k views is pretty huge, in my opinion. It's all perspective though. I post history videos on my channel and the most views I've ever gotten was just 4.7k views on one video and 2.3k views on another. All the rest of my videos are only a few hundred views at most. And some are less than 100 views. I wish I could get 24k-60k views on average haha

[@KingYahshua]

I believe this KZbin channel (Hubson Games) was originally made for a Polish audience. Their Polish language "sister" channel has a larger following. I'm glad they were able to translate it into English because, like you alluded to, they make some really top notch and well researched content!

[@ALWAREED_]

@@DeadPixel1105 same

[@ALWAREED_]

I Think We Can All Agree That We Felt Guilty Of This

[@ALWAREED_]

@Sir Niko bellic without gta 3d universe its nothing

[@anjaneyasreetrout2444]

@Sir Niko bellic Ironic considering your profile picture.

[@ALWAREED_]

@Sir Niko bellic NOT BECAUSE GTA 3D UNIVERSE CAME FIRST AND ALSO YOU SPELLED UNIVERSE WRONG

[@hammadalimalik4]

@Sir Niko bellic learn to spell first kiddo

[@Sh0ckV]

nah, 7 year old me killed every civie i saw

[@specialops3321]

We gotta have a video about the truth man . He is the most mysterious character in GTA

[@gaminginvestigators]

If we research the topic properly, it is possible that there will be such an episode :)

[@ItzProdigy12Gaming]

Absolutely agree here

[@Crashpng]

I hate to break it to the people who don’t know but GTA is a crime based game...

[@Journey_to_who_knows]

And the security guards at the docks in San Fierro when you’re stealing cars off the boat in Sam Andreas

[@lextermichael6537]

Make a investigative content for GTA 4 please. I would love too if you make it.

[@gaminginvestigators]

Episodes from GTA 4 will appear in the future for sure :)

[@dogevery3891]

3:10 Did the police car just increased its size a bit?

[@BEN-ys6gu]

When I played demolition man I only killed the guy in the toilet and maybe some idiots that ran in my way (I don't remember). But you don't have to kill all of them

[@ErminDedicNT]

Claude from GTA III is simply a protagonist without common sense. He nods his head every time he's told to kill someone. Now, I'm not sure if that's just lack of experience from the storywriters, since the later games, even LCS had a lot more logical plot, so they decided to make up for all of that trough the later games, which "happened earlier".

[@emperortrevornorton3119]

You might not play as a hero type character but I always felt like most of the gta cast of lead characters fell into the morally gray area were yes it is evil stuff that they are doing but it seems far less evil than the main villains of the series

[@stillfree98__60]

Don't forget Hot Dog Homicide from gta 2

[@usern4metak3ns]

Carl Johnson never killed anyone that didn't deserve it. At least in the missions. These supposedly innocent people are speculation at best. What wife is innocent? Plz...

[@jillsandwich6808]

RIP Mama Johnson

[@adityapawar4352]

I think big smoke should have lived but since he was a snitch just like Ryder it was not that overwhelming

[@gordonchard6243]

All the jurors in a vice city mission. Oh and pretty much everyone involved in the catalina missions

[@Fireglo]

Actually you only intimidate 2 jurors in the Vice City mission. You're thinking of GTA V. But yeah i'm never showing up for jury duty and putting my life at risk for nothing other than "civic duty" F that. I hate my country. I ain't doing no unpaid civic duty for it.

[@gordonchard6243]

@@Fireglo I'd actually forgotten The GTA v one and guess just misremembered the juror one. Probably too obsessed still with SA to remember others.

[@Jeff_Guapo]

CJ could’ve simply told CRASH no and got off cause he has a flight ticket and receipt great alibi and all, but he went the hard way 😂

[@brothaxgenie]

pindleberry out here built like a 🦛

[@hyrtoli759]

I've killed tons of innocent people in free mode/ not in mission

[@gaminginvestigators]

That's why we wanted to show some innocent characters from missions.

[@alfredertranken4144]

Thank you good sir

[@Emot10ns]

I wouldn't call a member of the yakuza in GTA innocent lol

[@mohamedcreepy]

LES GO NEW VIDEO

[@NillyNilly546]

THANK YOU, Demolition Man is an absolute ridiculous mission, CJ went rampage mode just for name calling 😭 Though he is a homie still.

[@siddharthchauhan3661]

New subscriber added brother👍

[@gaminginvestigators]

Thanks!

[@franklinparker9455]

Key word there must be yet

[@OppoAfw-dx3in]

Now Make a Why Rochelle From Loading Screen Is Madd Dogg Girlfriend And Never Appear In Game And Cutscene?

[@eacmusic4990]

The guy taking photos of that ship that cj killed only for his camera..

[@travismeta3727]

Always thought killing civilians in GTA made no sense. CJ ditches the gang lifestyle and all three main characters in GTA IV have morals for killing. I feel like a wanted level doesn’t have enough consequence as opposed to in game lore as it should be.

[@scottyshot]

this is a well made video, subscribe for you.

[@gaminginvestigators]

Thanks a lot!

[@Suleiman2000]

I might actually do that if someone insulted my sister okay maybe not killing them but an old fashioned Beatdown would suffice

[@b.r.a.d2975]

4:09

[@maxwellhuey]

In Vice City 🌆 the protesters and the construction workers are innocent

[@giveMeLiberty_]

Scarface on PS2 was a game changer! I have a video discussing its best and worst aspects. Would love your thoughts! 🧐🎬

[@R3AL-AIM]

More please

[@gerryortiz6384]

Got carried away, but essentially I say that they’re not innocent or at least, not ‘good’ people. You gotta read between the lines. -> TLDR Most of the people weren’t “innocent” especially in the over-corrupt world of GTA. Much like in real life, the people that seem innocent probably aren’t. Like that land developer in Vice City was probably doing the same thing to other ppl, probably poor ppl which is the point of why the game developers chose that profession. Both the wives were cheating on their husbands and otherwise taking advantage of them. Whether or not that constitutes a death penalty doesn’t change the fact that they’re not “innocent” ppl. Ray’s partner was probably just looking for a promotion more than being honorable. The only one that seems pretty innocent is Tanner but that doesn’t rly count since it’s just GTA dissin’ the “Driver” series. Which begs the question: do the ends justify the means? Tanner is undercover which means he still had to commit crimes and be a bad guy to retain his cover, who knows how many ‘good’ people he hurt just to not blow his cover. I mean, the mission is called “Two-Faced”Tanner. Same argument for the other whistleblowers in SA, except maybe the reporter but even so, reporters aren’t rly “innocent” ppl in the world of GTA either, part of the reason why they have “Weasel” news. It’s a jab at Fox News known for sensationalism and misinformation; One Weasel ad says in the game: “We confirm your prejudices.” Again, may not constitute killing them but they’re definitely not good ppl and I had no trouble killing any of them, except Tanner bc I used to love Driver.

[@DeadPixel1105]

Exactly what I was thinking. Most of the "innocent" people you're tasked with killing are not good people and they had it coming.

[@daiboy456]

Leon McAffrey is far from an innocent man

[@gaminginvestigators]

But we didn't mean Leon McAffrey :/

[@troymartin4260]

I love how you keep mispronouncing Pulaski's name, even though you include video clips with the correct pronunciation

[@hewhobattles8869]

If you had power to kill anyone you wanted just by thinking about it and willing it so, who would it be? And for any smartasses who's gonna say me for writing this comment, thank you. You'd be doing me a favor. So who else other than me, would you kill?

[@mappingshaman5280]

You wouldn't know him if I told you, so this is a pointless question

[@kman215]

You kill hundreds of people you are a bad guy in the games

[@Kumsz_21]

some of them were not innocent

[@volatiledroid]

hi

[@NotSure109]

Does a bot or ESL speaker write the scripts for these videos? The sentence structure borders on unintelligible at points.

[@Goliathenligne]

The wife from GTA 3 was cheating on Marty Chonks. So, in this case, her death can be justified.

[@AgentDanielCross]

Also known as Crime of Passion

[@alextsi1949]

How can cheating justify murder?

[@TheBreakingBenny]

Hm..... not exactly. He could refuse paying her alimony.

[@Goliathenligne]

@@alextsi1949 we are talking about a game that revolves around murdering people. "Justified at least somehow, unlike other cases mentioned in this video" would be a better way of putting it. If we applied real-life morals here, we shouldn't play the game at all.

[@alextsi1949]

@@Goliathenligne The way you wrote it was weird, to say the least.

[@scoundrel8440]

Who cares? It's GTA.

[@szyszek9378]

Firstttt

[@nhvfgn1754]

No

[@rumiDVD]

The worker "crappy" death actually gave me a trauma when I was a kid. Just imagine, you are covered with other people and your own filth, forced to suffocate on its foul stench and BURIED ALIVE with it. Unable to breathe, unable to escape. Despair is not enough to describe that situation. When I think about it now it's my fault all along for playing R18 game when I was like 10. I learned English from it though, so that's a tradeoff I'll take.

[@t.f.r287]

Me too bro. I didn't take that mission too seriously, but it was disturbing to be when i did the first time.

[@glassopint5848]

Now that I think about it, it was pretty messed up.

[@Fireglo]

Look up Joe Burrus....

[@markasscop]

to be perfectly fair, he could've left it at any time, he would've died anyway but at least he didn't need to suffer like that

[@georgejohnson5725]

cj killed a valet just to take his clothes.. bruh

[@lonely90ification]

Madd dogg's manager,

[@J0hndow]

i bet dis will blow up

[@niikespool5792]

Mine started at 4

[@VikiSLevine]

Free Roam: Am I joke to you?

[@gaminginvestigators]

Come on, we know about this 😁

[@VikiSLevine]

@@gaminginvestigators I know I was joking around XD

[@noonumamber-cringjestersso367]

Gta 4 iz bettar then gta 5

[@Sh0ckV]

gta 4 iz also bettar th an gta sa gta 4 is darc and deprezzang vbut gta sa and 5 kidz game they are opresser mktwo kids dont know what goo gamez like gts 4 feel laike

[@noonumamber-cringjestersso367]

@@Sh0ckV yeez

[@noonumamber-cringjestersso367]

@@Sh0ckV cj iz gay

[@noonumamber-cringjestersso367]

@@Sh0ckV niko bellic and gta online protagonist aar bezt

[@noonumamber-cringjestersso367]

@@Sh0ckV trevor Michael aar trahs compare to kiki bellic