MOMTOK JUST GOT SO MUCH MORE UNHINGED!

[@trinityandrea3333]

why are you the only person with a rational take on this, thank you!! so weird to see these women tearing another woman down who was clearly a victim of an emotionally abusive relationship?? and that convo with her church leader, are u kidding? so wild.

[@nitemoth]

I second this!!! Those comments Angelika highlighted were deplorable.

[@heezypeasy8611]

Totally agree!!!

[@leapingmidgets]

this is so sad. everyone hating on her because she mentioned taylor. she didn’t hate on taylor. she didjt say anything defamatory. she ended the friendship. she ended the marriage. she cut ties with anyone who hurt her. she didn’t even BLAME taylor. she just mentioned her within the story because she was a key figure in the story. nothing bad just facts of what happened. but because she is doing something bad in the story, people automatically assume she’s saying “taylor is a bad friend. it’s all her fault” when she never said that. they are just putting their own newly found thoughts and opinions on kenna and putting their words in kenna’s mouth.

[@ripwednesdayadams]

yeah that was vile. all of it really. i thought all the couples did it because they wanted to. i don’t get why everyone likes taylor either when she seems really manipulative and shady.

[@lone.faerie]

I think a big reason Kenna has been made the villain is that these are Mormons we're talking about. She left her husband, and in the eyes of Mormonism, divorce is just about the worst thing a person can do. It doesn't matter that Taylor or her husband did far worse, she committed the ultimate sin of protecting herself

[@deepsympathy]

That alone tells me Mormonism is just a toxic cult.

[@ramshanoor4774]

taylor and others also got divorced???????

[@alg94]

there's people who gloss over Taylor assaulting her partner and child? that's literally all I remember her for.

[@Sandtalon]

That alcohol story really icked me out, she sounds like she was in no place to consent but they all carried on anyway?

[@sarahjarrett8004]

hoping for her sake everyone was equally as drunk. if not that's majorly creepy 🤮

[@heezypeasy8611]

*Consent can be withdrawn at ANY TIME* Taylor is so stupid and immature. I don't like Taylor. Never have and never will. I feel like the ppl who are "Team Taylor" forget she has a DV arrest. Not only did she get arrested for DV, but during that fight, she threw a chair at her partner, and it hit her child. I know it's said all the time, but if the genders were reversed, no one would have ever forgotten or forgiven.

[@EnnuiMachine]

“If you can’t have coffee and tea… you *probably* can’t have ketamine.” 😂

[@SolitudeDayys]

Where did people get that she was directly attacking Taylor with the videos she made? She was clearly more disappointed and angry at her husband? Besides even if she directed these videos at Taylor, she has every right to do so because she literally cheated with her husband?????? Common sense is no longer common.

[@AngelikaOles]

EXACTLY!!

[@theresistance0012]

Me not knowing who any of these people are as soon as Angelika posts: omg finally the tea 🙏

[@dragonblackie444]

hahaha same here

[@estopesto2647]

That's me with Callum Markie as well 😂

[@manic_girl]

Taylor doesn’t seem to understand that consent can be revoked at any time, especially when explicitly stated boundaries are crossed.

[@acidstrip]

What you said in the beginning abt boundaries and it seeming like couples get into swinging/open relationships is absolutely right, I promise it isn't a hot take (imo) Everyone being on Taylor's side SCARES ME do they ALSO not understand boundaries? How an answer of consent can change? That's the vibe Taylor gives and the vibe of all her little fans. It's actually gross.

[@juu0n]

this should’ve never been made public lmao- there’s obviously a lot of context and information we aren’t aware of. i couldn’t care less so i haven’t taken any sides, but this seems too deep and interconnected for strangers to think they know what they’re talking about. i feel bad that this lady had to disclose the details of her obviously very traumatic separation online though, especially when she has children.

[@breezyncj]

To comment on your confusion surrounding Mormonism, I think I can speak for the majority of secular people when I say that I was well into adulthood when I learned that Mormonism is much more of a cult than a religion...like it gets pretty close to being as crazy as Scientology. Interesting stuff and if you want to learn more about it, look up the people who have made yt channels about how they escaped from Mormonism.

[@yogadork_namaste]

Jordan and McKay are my favorite exmo creators

[@ashleyelizabeth9332]

As an ex Mormon who grew up in the church and currently lives in utah… it’s a cult and it’s extremely problematic at its core for MANY reasons. However, there is no separation between church and state so that’s why it’s become even more normalized within utah.

[@ashleyelizabeth9332]

People here are typically born into it or join it to be part of the majority here in utah. If you are in good standing with the church, you have power, money, image, opportunities, connections, etc. but members are encourage to not look into the history of the church lol… so most just blindly follow because of the privilege it gives them in utah.

[@feliciaspringer2795]

Absolutely ANY religion can be like a cult lol

[@alicetoyou448]

@@feliciaspringer2795that’s true and there are offshoots of all religions that have and can become cults, but they do have to hit certain markers to be considered one. Mormonism is borderline. They’re not as isolated outside of Utah (I live in Nevada) and participate normally at work and in society for the most part, which would not qualify as a cult. There are groups and families in Utah, though, that are a cult for sure.

[@elena_1776]

Open/polyamorous relationships still have boundaries! Things need to be discussed and mutually agreed upon beforehand, and if one party goes outside of those boundaries that's still cheating! Angelika is totally right saying the excitement for the husband was going behind his wife's back

[@daniellemichael1]

10:29 reminds me of the tweet that's like "whenever i see a couple in an open relationship i wonder which one of you suggested it and which one of you cries themselves to sleep at night" (that's the gist it's not verbatim)

[@alexalynn5952]

Taylor actually irritated me more than Whitney throughout the show, because at least Whitney would admit what she was at a certain point. Taylor acted like she just woke up pregnant by a second baby daddy ON PURPOSE.

[@AngelikaOles]

THAT

[@bethcooke9354]

It is insane that so many people's argument is 'she agreed to swinging!!!' when she CLEARLY states they never had a conversation about consent or boundaries!!! Insane.

[@Czena]

its a shame how common it is for women to want to be moms but not actually want to parent.

[@JazzyUrquoise]

What you’re saying is so true! Never thought about it!

[@Hana-cr2qg]

I think it goes for both sexes not just women

[@juu0n]

@@Hana-cr2qg i agree, but i feel like men are less likely to actually want either lmao- women, especially women that were raised in religious communities, are incredibly pressured to have children and be the perfect mom. i’m not religious and even i’m constantly asked when i’m having kids despite saying multiple times that i don’t want them, but my brothers are never given the same energy. “well you might change your mind” is a common sentiment. i know i wouldn’t be a good mom because i know what it entails and i simply don’t want to do it. so sadly these women think having kids is just what they’re supposed to do and anything else would go against what they’ve been told is “normal” for their whole lives. there’s obviously a huge discrepancy between who is pressured into having children lmao the sex that’s been called “warm and nurturing” are going to feel more responsible.

[@Czena]

@ for sure!! since the video is “momtok” i ws just focusing ij on women. of course men do this too

[@billivee]

@@Hana-cr2qgI’d argue there’s way less opportunity for women to shirk that responsibility , yes some fail, but society doesn’t make as easy as slipping out in the night for them.

[@kristinalabrum2164]

Saying that all the girls all look the same is so valid lmao

[@alicetoyou448]

I couldn’t finish the show because of it. I was too confused. Just watched recaps 😂

[@squash6497]

Is that how the swinging started? Someone kissed the wrong person because they can't tell each other apart, and everyone ran with it?

[@kristinalabrum2164]

@@squash6497 combined with being intoxicated I can see it lol 😂

[@crazzygirl7558]

I totally agree with your takes! Especially since all the times that it seemed like Kenna was ‘into it’ or ‘encouraging it’ she was drunk. Like even in Taylor’s proof she said she was drunk. Also people are crazy with how they view swinging cause it’s very much a consent forward arrangement, boundaries need to be sent and not broken or it leads to messes. And the soft swinging that she was aware of is totally different from full swinging where she wasn’t involved. I think she takes perfect accountability for her actions.

[@crazzygirl7558]

Oh that wasn’t even her text. Crazy. But still even if that was not good proof from Tayler and that was the best evidence she could show?

[@Lenore13]

Never mo here and I’ve noticed living in Utah is that if it’s prescribed by a doc it’s not considered taboo. However this has lead to a huge opioid problem that is hardly ever talked about.

[@Auderra]

I think those who are “supporting” Taylor might forget that these are actually real people and view them basically as just entertainment and not individuals who are affected by these events.

[@mudkipmillie5216]

I totally agree with you, I was on whitneys side with the whole taylor drama because taylor is literally a CRAZY PERSON LMAOOOO

[@alicetoyou448]

I think they’re both bad. I just can’t get over Whitney’s dance. It’s the most uncomfortable thing I’ve ever seen lol.

[@mudkipmillie5216]

@@alicetoyou448 idk i mean its like insanely deranged to film and upload smth like that but imo its still worse to throw a chair at your boyfriend and get arrested for dv and then stay together with him 😭 theyre def both bad but like, levels, yk?

[@esseaem1451]

@@mudkipmillie5216are there levels? Is it equally as bad to think your kid is literally dying and post up in front of them to film a tiktok of you freak dancing? I mean- completely unhinged, neither of them deserve nor need us to take sides.

[@estopesto2647]

So glad you mentioned the main ones previous domestic violence, I don't understand how people forget that! Also "if you can't drink tea, coffee or alcohol, I don't think you can do ketamine" killed me 😂😂

[@brynalaplante1502]

Also I will say, being poly or open doesn’t give an excuse to emotionally or physically cheat. As soon as you hide things from your partner about feelings or actions with others- it’s cheating

[@cassieloser2907]

I feel like a lot of people have a fundamental misunderstanding of what ETHICAL nonmonagamy actually is. Thank you for having a sane take on all of this!!

[@jenniferneel99]

Unpopular opinion, but I think the other woman (or man) should be blamed almost as much (sometimes equally) if they know that someone has a partner. I hate when people defend the person who knowingly helped someone cheat.

[@notericforeman]

40:36 I am loving the irony in Angelika calling My Band an Eminem song when the entire song is about how Eminem is the only famous member of D-12 💀

[@talarkevorkian]

Hahahaha I had a laugh about that too

[@Arctic-void-z7f]

Love that

[@kasiastopa1]

FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES WITH ME ABOUT TAYLOR!!! so refreshing

[@courtrude]

16:44 100% agree with you. No days they NEED to refer people to qualified certified professionals for counseling.. I thought that they had already started doing this in the Mormon faith but obviously not everywhere as this was pretty recent in the last few years so that’s disappointing..

[@jamiedee2409]

An hour full of Angelika and Tea? Sign me up! As someone who is into polyamory I can only support what you've said. You have to be honest, otherwise it will not work. It is cheating if you meet up with people behind your partners back - doesn't matter if you are a monogamous person OR NOT. People will really believe and promote what suits their story.

[@jamiechestnut5078]

Your abiliy to post when your most needed, batman levels fr ❤

[@sadmermaid]

You're completely rational about this. And tbh, as someone who was cheated on, ending over a decade rship, i feel validated here.

[@onyx8547]

The way Taylor says “they enjoyed it” didn’t sit with me right it’s like a man who claims it wasn’t grape because she enjoyed it

[@rubyy_922]

I definitely agree with u on the fact that if all the non problematic women don't agree or like Taylor then there is some truth to why. & didn't the girl that told her story ask ppl to be kind? And she definitely owned up to her as own mistakes & choices/ decisions.

[@micki_cam5740]

It feels like people online are so used to seeing women who have been cheated on trashing the other woman instead of the man that they read way too much into what Kenna said. She did not put the blame solely on Taylor in fact to me it sounded like she was pissed at her ex, but to talk about what the ex did obviously Taylor will be talked about too. Also when is being the woman every man wants to cheat with and disrespecting your husband in the process EVER a thing to aspire to? Are ppl high? Taylor is awful. She wants attention so badly and wants to be the main character so badly that she has disconnected with reality and people are eating it up and praising her for it, it’s crazy

[@stormieperkins7935]

Not agreeing with Taylor is a badge of honor I wear😂

[@lianna832]

The make up looks so glowy and ethereal!

[@ImmortalBeloved101]

Im shocked so many people are behind Taylor. I think this is just people stanning the "popular girl," and Kenna is just a hater.

[@deepsympathy]

Honestly, these people can’t think for themselves and have to follow the crowd on what to think.

[@nbcb96]

Kink situations should NOT involve alcohol especially excessive alcohol. Drunk people cannot consent.

[@daviddavid1093]

Most of my relationships have been open ones. My only problem about them is when my partner decides to try and open our relationship after dating for a while (2 months minimum) just because they know I have had open relationship in the past. Personally if my relationship isn't opened in the first few weeks then I would not feel comfortable opening it after a while. Having a open relationship doesn't work if people are keeping secrets or if no one is communicating properly.

[@alicetoyou448]

That makes sense because anytime I hear of a longterm couple opening their relationship, it’s done when really they should just break up.

[@sophie-nb6km]

as someone who was in the exact open relationship you described, i truly was dead behind the eyes and only agreed so he would stay with me

[@strawberryskygirl44]

a whole hour with Angelika?! MERRY CHRISTMAS TO US

[@kimberleygolddust]

Morals don’t come from religion, some of the most immoral stuff happens because of religion. Morality is behaviour and traits that originally evolved through our human ancestors, traits like cooperation and empathy improved social interactions and those humans prospered and over time it shaped the culture.

[@kellys1722]

I can't stand Taylor, I agree with you on this one, she really is the problem in her own life. Also these pick me women saying she is blaming Taylor, when clearly taking accountability is crazy. Anyway I love your take on this, thank you for being straight up on this one, hope Taylor fans see it and honestly let them make fools of them selves!

[@Mary-ij9os]

11:00 as someone that has been in an open relationship, in my case yes. My partner cheated on me so I offered an open relationship cause I knew they weren't gonna stop and they agreed. Obviously we aren't together anymore but yeah, stuff like that happens

[@raydientSkeleton]

I think people forget that cheating can happen no matter if your swinging, in an open relationship, or just poly in general. Literally anyone can cheat no matter what kind of relationship you have. This from someone who has been in a throuple for over a year now

[@katierooh20]

i'm not on taylor's side either, you're not alone girlie dw

[@llenaaangel]

taylor sucks

[@mjarmes]

Going behind your partner's back to meet up and hook up with someone isn't swinging, these people are insane and literally just going with the pick me girl cause they're deluded 😂

[@alyscanlon4715]

Thank you! I thought I was nuts for not caring for Taylor! I feel for this girl, she’s admitting she made a mistake in a vulnerable mindset. Taylor stans go too hard

[@Zooeeaayy]

Fully on board with this take. I'm not a tiktok person so haven't seen all the extras and only watched the show. However when I finished the show I rushed online to see if people thought the same as me and felt fully insane that everyone is loving Taylor. It's so bizarre to me.

[@stevie1862]

YES LONG FORM CONTENT!!!

[@sorry-I-write-long-comments]

9:25 This is the reason I love to watch your videos. You have a really logical mind that sees the different sides of a problem. You are completly right. About everything here, like two things can be true at ones. You can have polyamory as an emotional abuse / neglect, but at the same time, there are people in relationships that thrive and love to have multiple people to love. One doesn’t eliminate the other🙃 You have a logical opinion around 90% of the time, IMO of course, especially around these things that people that do commentary, seem to misinterperate/think more emotionally. So I just wanted to thank you for continuing to make these videos, giving a logical response, so that people that are on the fence or just have an open mind, can hear another type of opinion🥰🙌🏼✨️

[@celinay]

Thank you for not jumping on the team taylor train. I felt like I was losing it when I saw all the support she was getting. Especially after shes been proven to be abusive af...

[@amandaterrio4823]

I’m totally agreeing with Angelika on this one!

[@__kate___]

Why was this hidden from me for so long?!? ❤ Edit: the reason Taylor seems gross is bc she’s 100% messy for views and money. The more attention she gets, the more money she makes and she’s too childish to care about who she hurts. That’s it. You’re not alone Ang, I’m against Taylor too 🙄

[@IndigoWhite]

Seriously why is everyone on her side 😭 she's AWFUL

[@caro12347]

i think all the people on taylors side dont a have glue how open relationships or this swinging works. they think its just permission to cheat at ay given time with whoever they want

[@ellenshort7742]

I’ve literally not liked her since the police part of the show.. why are we glorifying DV? These videos on the girl with the swinging actually makes so much sense.. I’ve always felt there was more to it because of how Taylor tried to take control of the narrative sooo much

[@tias78]

51 minutes ty girlie 💓

[@savv190]

People who side with Taylor are very questionable, I feel soooo sorry for any potential partners that are in relationships with the people who side with Taylor, red flags run🚩🚩

[@dgw876]

A long video from Angelika after a shitty day. Yes please I needed this. Thank you so much for your services, babe.❤️🙏🏾😭😂

[@Melina_Shadow]

I don’t follow this stuff but I agree with you from what I know. It sounds like the people who stan Taylor are very young and immature from those comments.

[@lydiarebekah513]

Off topic but your makeup is genuinely stunning Angelika! Literally did a double take.

[@Simbley]

its frustrating cause she made these videos to explain that this wasn't about swinging like what her ex sister-in-law said, and ppl aren't even listening to her they are still conflating cheating with swinging 😩

[@TheCatsofVanRaptor]

Booktok, tiktok, momtok, cattok… never a video on the buttok

[@Crashbandicoochie]

10/10

[@canonicallycorrect]

if I were in a situation like this and I hear someone in the group saying they were not enjoying what was happening, my first reaction would be worry, I would feel awful about not knoing that and not noticing it, I would never be like "um... yes they did🤨🙄"

[@yeyeye335]

i’m new to all this drama but holy i hate taylor

[@smallzzable]

Your makeup is giving 💖

[@brianna9101]

Yeassss more deep dives i LUV your longer videos

[@darchocla]

I love how Taylor made it all about her

[@completelysamirah]

Totally weird that everyone is agreeing with Taylor. They either have never been cheated on, or they never had to set boundaries in their own lives

[@SolitudeDayys]

I don’t know who any of these people are but I’m literally in so much shock that people are siding with Taylor?

[@flwr123]

When I was 22 I got married to my first love. I knew he was cheating or wanted to cheat but I didn’t want to face the truth. One year into the marriage he asked for an open marriage. I was very hesitant at first because he was my first everything. I did not want anyone else but over time the thought of him cheating behind my back consumed me. I wanted to get divorced but since I come from a very traditional and very misogynistic family I knew I would get shunned for being a divorced woman so I agreed to the open marriage. Long story short I found out he wanted an open marriage to date HIS first love again guilt free to see if they could work it out. I left him and asked for a divorce as soon as I found out. Surprisingly, my family was okay with the divorce but my exhusband told everyone I was the one who gave up and broke our marriage. In the end you win some and you lose some. Don’t ever agree to an open relationship or an open marriage if you’re not 100% on board with it because there’s a very high possibility you’ll be the one who gets hurt in the end.

[@elisabethw.9465]

To clarify none of the other couples on the show were involved in the swinging and the couples who were involved didn’t want to be in the show.

[@WatchtowerPrincess]

23:40 THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS

[@darkpixie6ify]

I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking taylor was weird for playing the victim. On a side note as someone who's been in many poly relationships (That only broke up because of distance and wanting different life paths) it's weird no boundaries were established with everyone present. In my opinion that's not swing or even an open relationship. That's coercion. and weird of people to be minding other peoples business without even listening to both sides.

[@monalisasssmile]

angelika coming in CLUTCH day before finals 🩵

[@mikayla67]

Your makeup is SO GORGEOUS!!

[@AngelikaOles]

Thank you ♥️♥️

[@rebeccasteinke4357]

I knew a Taylor once. She blew through friend groups like a tornado, leaving continuing drama and broken friendships and relationships in her wake. When i think about the ideals that these women are indoctrinated with from before they can even speak...😔 it breaks my heart to hear kenna talking about going to the church for help with her marriage, knowing that the wife will always be blamed for every situation. Taylor will eventually either implode or explode, and everyone around her will get hurt.

[@kellycodaile3756]

The thread on your jumper had me thinking I had a hair on my screen for ages 🤣

[@darchocla]

I agree about Taylor. She’s incredibly immature. I think she gets a lot of her fan base from teenagers

[@AlwaysSadé]

They want to BE Taylor or they want to be WITH her and that's why they are riding for her so hard. They don't want to see that she is also wrong. Any type of opening of a relationship together is all in bounds if you are honest about everything you are doing and following the rules. ANYTHING else is cheating

[@Emmylouuuuu]

LOVE YOU ANGELIKA

[@angiesquangieflangie]

rape culture and misogyny is rampant rn

[@angiesquangieflangie]

rape culture: the “she wanted it the whole time” shit??? are u stupid??? do u know what u sound like?? misogyny: people just picking the woman they think is more main charactery and pretty and with more followers bc ofc!! like theyre 14 and not thinking outside of the internet and wouldnt be enraged if swinging turned into cheating for them too???

[@em-xr8dk]

I think the reason a lot of people are sympathetic to Taylor is because people see a lot of themselves in Taylor in regards to her relationship with Dakota because he’s such a little sleezebag. I think it’s easy to forget about some of the crazier things she did at the beginning of the show because it was only the first two or three episodes that were focused on her wrong doings. I also think people wouldn’t be as sympathetic to Taylor if they heard all this stuff about the swinging first. The show kept the actual swinging scandal very vague.

[@lemolee]

I love your sweater! 🥰

[@Lexi-iq5uz]

Woah 50 minutes, let’s go!

[@alyssaconcoby1807]

as a child of VERY mormon parents, they are relatively normal but my mom nearly had a come apart when I got a job at a coffee shop, but she can't survive without her 3 44oz of dr. pepper a day (at least it's diet)

[@brynalaplante1502]

29:08 « it’s not a compliment to be picked by someone else’s HUSBAND » 🙌

[@BaileyBailey-t1s]

So i used to be a part of the "alternative" relationship community. I wittnessed countless men who demanded of their wives to enter into open relationships with them because the men believed that they would have women sleeping with them left, right and center. Only to quickly realize that not only would they not have women throwing themselves at them, but that their wives would be the ones to get all of the attention and have zero problems with finding sex partners. The husbands would immediately become bitter, jelouse AND accuse their wives of cheating. Men, be careful what you wish for. That lifestyle isnt an all you can eat buffet and your wife will get ALL the attention.

[@Chewtubehuskyhouse]

It’s been a rough day. Utter nonsense is exactly what I need rn. 🙏🏼😂

[@lottierose5166]

from a very outside perspective (haven’t seen whatever show, haven’t seen them on socials etc) and just tuning in bc i like the vids lol- i have to say i am actually horrified by these tiktok commenters siding with taylor and this repeated rhetoric of “she did want this” “she did like it” “she didn’t want it to end”. when are people going to connect the dots between these statements and the same exact rhetoric being used by abusers and actual r*pists to try to avoid avoid accountability for their actions when the victim speaks out. consent can be revoked at any time but also it isn’t even consent in the first place when the person technically has giving their “consent” is doing so under COERCION!!! to keep seeing these comments parroting taylor’s piss poor response like it’s the ultimate comeback and mocking this woman is so genuinely sad to see, whatever happened to empathy?

[@RS-vo2wi]

omg an 1h long videooooo im so tuned ❤❤

[@veryvanillavideos]

I've had A LOT of experience with swingers for someone who isn't a part of the community. One of the most poignant lessons I have learnt through my interactions is there is a BIG difference between those who identify as swingers and those who I identify as Ethically Non-Monogamous. Another important thing I've learnt from the Kink lifestyle is that the majority of swingers have a far more maleable view of what constitutes consent than kinksters (and the law). 🤷

[@SaffronJones111]

as someone who was the dead behind the eyes participant in an open relationship, your “hot take” was entirely correct LMFAO

[@thetalker221]

Ohh I’m loving the dark roots on you! It really brings out your eyes 😍

[@madyty1850]

You look so pretty! Off topic, but true

[@ArianAlbert]

Oh my god the momtok women stress me out so bad. I don't care about their lives. I care about their influence and impact. Viewers are watching like its only entertainment and not cult rhetoric in action!!

[@ameliac1280]

Unpopular opinion but I really couldn’t stand Jessi and Demi on RLOMW. This situation though I’m fully on Kenna’s side (as much as I can be as someone who doesn’t truly follow it and has just seen the show). Taylor can’t know everything she is feeling and idk it’s just messy

[@Nobody_7102]

FELT! Like yeah Taylor seems Ike a cool gal but absolutely I don’t get why everyone’s siding with her

[@cheetobreath1427]

the people telling Demi on her post they dont know her?????? then why are you here?