Monday Night Meatloaf 116 Part 1

[@Abom79]

I always enjoy the meatloaf vids Tom, and always watching and learning from you.

[@levikendrick3455]

i realize Im pretty randomly asking but do anybody know a good place to stream newly released movies online?

[@darianmax6425]

@Levi Kendrick i watch on flixzone. You can find it on google =)

[@michaelcason5026]

@Darian Max Yea, I have been watching on FlixZone for since april myself :D

[@levikendrick3455]

@Darian Max thanks, I went there and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :D I really appreciate it !!

[@darianmax6425]

@Levi Kendrick Happy to help xD

[@TradeWorks_Construction]

Awesome video! Was very impressed by the aluminum tape to step granite improvised portable lap along with the initial demonstration of how Reynolds Heavy Duty Tin Foil makes an amazing substrate for holding lapping charge. I had acquired a 2’x3’x4”black granite surface plate from a local equipment rental company but put the reconditioning of it off due to lack of ability to do so with my current equipment. Seeing your demonstration really has opened up the possibilities for me to think of tackling this now. So a much appreciated Thank You for taking the time to make this video and sharing your knowledge and insights gained from experimenting.

[@TheZoraccer]

Hi Tom! Thanks for great video, as always! I was that "one guy", very happy to see you found my technique useful. Little tip (reduces tearing of foil and edge "smoothing") : try putting just a drop or two of viscous oil (200+cSt is excellent) to your surface plate, add foil and push away all the oil with your shaft or a rubber roller (works even better). Surface tension forces hold the foil better than adhesive tape. For small parths with low dimension rations we use a special holder, it looks like a small cap for a part, with a round socket on top of it. A bent rod with a ball on it goes into that socket, making the lapping force always sentered on the part, making a point contact system. Automatic lapper with a static weight added to all the parts does the same job. Will try to make a full video with all this things to complete the topic. Thanks again! Pavel

[@ROBRENZ]

That was more like filet mignon! Good to see you posting again. Talk to you soon, ATB, Robin

[@extradimension7356]

@ROBRENZ and Oxtoolco Dumb question here; genius technique, however does one get aluminum/dissimilar metals lapped into the ferrous material you are lapping and hence set up future corrosion sites from dissimilar metals in the surface of the work piece being lapped on the aluminum (i.e. surface corrosion pitting starts to happen faster (over time) than not using aluminum ?), OR does all of the mechanically dissociated aluminum 100% turn to aluminum oxide and is relatively inert / inconsequential ? [Might be worth testing out ? Maybe ?].

[@yawpaw9796]

@@extradimension7356 if you achieve perfect parts then people like me eat your sandwich. I dont care for accelerated metal rust by dissimilar metal deposition. I make the part within range and charge the sum. Be the best but dont be the best crazy

[@extradimension7356]

@@yawpaw9796 Thanks yaw paw ! I will defer to your pragmatic wisdom and expertise ~ Meanwhile I will keep my sandwiches WELL away from any would be pragmatists :-) If one is building the best , then you're building the best- long term corrosion IS a quality issue for what we have to build / roll out - especially in hostile environments. Hats off to you @yaw paw! / Cheers.

[@yawpaw9796]

@@extradimension7356 enjoy yourself! Maybe start a channel?

[@Pebbles456456]

Good to see you back. Thank you for all that you offer to the metalworking community.

[@googacct]

A good use I have found for my HF magnetic level is to stick it to the leaf of my sheet metal brake. I zero the level with the leaf at rest and then note the angle when I stop a bend. That way I can return to the same point if I need to bend a little more or bend multiple pieces at the same angle. I actually keep a log of all my bends, so when I need to bend a sheet I have a log of materials, thickness and angles that get me the angle that I want very quickly.

[@ExtantFrodo2]

I know basically nothing about sheet metal brakes, but wouldn't a mechanical stop be a standard feature?

[@Adamant4160]

I do the same exact thing except with electrical conduit. As an electrician we deal with steel, stainless steel, aluminum, and emt conduit. Super useful to know how much spring- back each conduit type and size has.

[@ajtrvll]

A Renzetti & Lipton conversations YT channel would be a hit for sure.

[@carver3419]

Glad to see your episode. I miss you. Aluminum forms a thin oxide layer upon exposure to air, and that surface itself can act as a hone.

[@bobgodburn5874]

On the lapping with aluminum: during my apprenticeship I learned the same trick except with paper and it served me well. We worked with D5, and a guy who worked at Timex (those guys could do small work) showed me how to use paper on a steel surface plate soaked with kerosine. We would use reducing grits and get flat mirror finishes in no time. And you could peel off the charged paper, let it dry and use it again. Later when I was doing precision die work in carbide, I used the same thing with diamond paste which also worked well. The aluminum trick looked good but I saw you fight to keep from snagging it. This happened occasionally with paper, but with the kerosine (or any light oil) the paper adhered to the lapping plate like it was glued there. I never checked for flatness with a optical flat but after your experiments with the “cheap Russian flats” I ordered one and now I can give it a try. But the paper/light oil/diamond paste worked pretty well on carbide and were much less trouble than the foil. Stay with the nerdy stuff! It’s fun for many of us out here in Internet country.

[@lapoint7603]

Glad to see you post another video. I was having serious meatloaf withdrawal symptoms! Another excellent episode. Thanks. TL.

[@mog5858]

great stuff. thanks for all the time you put in to the metal working industry. keep up the good work

[@markdaniels5891]

Darn that was the best Monday night that I have spent in a long long time, I just learned so much, aluminum foil who would have thought, something new for the shop, I’m raiding the kitchen right now, Yes I want a mini surface plate cheers!

[@bostedtap8399]

Great idea on the aluminium lap Medium, far easier, and less expensive than the old Lead (Pb) sheet. From a metallographic aspect, polishing samples to 0.5 micron for example, from 120 grit, 240, 360, etc to 1200 abrasive paper on rotating platens, then 6 micron, 1 micron. We rotate the sample 90 ° degrees for each grit, to check that each successive polishing has removed previous uni directional polishing lines, between each grit, the sample is washed to remove previous grit. 6 micron and smaller, we use rotating platens with different adhesive cloth naps, loaded with diamond paste and oil, a figure of eight action is always used here because the platen is rotating, using a fixed platen, then orbital action is used. Great care is taken to clean between each stage, using Ethanol, Acetone etc, with cotton wool and/or ultrasonic cleaning. Cheap toilet tissue paper will scratch the surface of most steels, you need a good quality named brand. Tip, if using a ultrasonic cleaner, then use a small container, just large enough for the sample with Ethanol etc, suspended in the aqueous US cleaning solution, don't forget to degass.

[@glenlynch9765]

I learn so much, and I am very thankful. I did not have a depth mike, but now I can make one. Great.

[@josephwilson6651]

Good to see you again Tom Hope Everyone there are living long and prospering have missed your presence on You-Tube

[@gregbrodie-tyrrell3473]

It's good to see you again, Tom. Apart from the use of terms such as "Gronk!" and "Sweeeet!", we have missed the lessons you gave us on "Wot to do." May you live long and prosper, and I fervently hope that we will see many more of these insights into metrology, as well as fit and tolerance.

[@mg-shop6996]

Exciting technique!! Super glad to have you back with always good material. THANKS!

[@zachaliles]

Welcome back! I've been going through your back catalog while you've been gone. Good to see you making new videos.

[@stevencoldiron3335]

A great video Tom, your a good teacher. learned a lot, thanks.

[@ckvasnic1]

Awesome show Mr Wizard! Thanks for sharing your time and many talents

[@Chris-ox7qx]

Tom, instead of taping the foil onto your plate, try spritzing the plate with water, lay the foil on, and squeegee the water out. The foil should stick to the plate almost like how tinted windows are applied. I do this on glass plates and it works for me. It should also help prevent the edge roll-off, by keeping the foil down at the edges.

[@knickly]

I thought of the same thing; I wonder what the water film underneath looks like with regard to flatness.

[@Chris-ox7qx]

With a good squeegee job, I can’t imagine it being any worst than having the foil bunch up at the edges of the slurry while just sitting on the plate. Also, needless to say, this works best with standard foil and not the heavy duty variety.

[@knickly]

Christopher Peralta: Good point, I hadn't thought of that.

[@lilflatty2472]

Christopher Peralta yeah that’s exactly how I do mine. Little mist of water and then I use a small rubber squeegee to flatten it out. Works great. I’m surprised he didn’t think to do that.

[@63256325N]

It seems HF is moving up in the world with quality items for less than the high end competition. Namely battery drill drivers and impact stuff. At any rate, it's good to see you and thanks for the video and all the great ideas.

[@AmateurRedneckWorkshop]

Very interesting video. Ask and ye shall receive eh. Thanks for the meatloaf.

[@RobbyNowell]

This makes me want to lap everything in my shop, but then everything would wring together and I'd never be able to pick anything up.

[@KnowledgePerformance7]

Robby Nowell 10/10 prank

[@brianevans1946]

Thank you, great video. I'm sure the Australian cricket team could find the bit on lapping useful..

[@matttradie1341]

Brian Evans there had to be someone......

[@mudgutsisgeordie]

Too soon!

[@haroldsprenkle4173]

Hey, comment on old video again. Optivisors, got one out in home shop. Need one for work, got a loupe, my favorite came from a steam engine show, cost a dollar, works better than the Bosch and Lomb.. Optivisors I have are getting crusty, I am left eye dominate, switched over fold down. Got a recommendation, or should I refer to mr pete, ha. Gotta love it.40 years ago I could read a scale to .005, now I have to get my reading glasses to see the scale. Thanks for video.

[@jasonh3109]

Another gem!! Thanks Tom!

[@oceanpout5232]

That was really cool, knowledge is power ,thanks much for sharing love the meatloaf !

[@roncartwright8125]

Now that was worth the wait! Thanks for a very interesting video.

[@billdlv]

Some great ideas thanks for sharing Tom, looking forward to lapping surfaces parallel to each other.

[@ls2005019227]

Great to have you back! Now, on to P2..

[@James-fs4rn]

Looking forward to more on lapping for size and geometry. Thanks for another plentiful serving.

[@jameshatfield7634]

I've had one of those mini Collins micro flat plates for 50 years.Bought it a swap meet in 1968 for $2.00.I'm going to start using it on my grinder also.

[@maxhammick948]

I like the mini granite lapping trick - kind of like an ox tools style sanding block ;)

[@jluet]

Always stoked to see a new oxtool video !

[@AtelierDBurgoyne]

Incredibly interesting episode! I love those little chair edge finders. I want to make some of the Moore model because I think it will be easier since I do not have a surface grinder. Daniel

[@bulldozer7656]

I was just in the mood for some meatloaf.. Thanks Tom.

[@markwentland3147]

Hi Tom, i really enjoy your video's , i thought your design on the repeat- o - meter was a really good design on the flexure for sure thx for sharing

[@diggmore1362]

Good to see you back Tom .Keep up the good work

[@juliejones8785]

wonderful lapping ideas

[@thomasutley]

Great episode. The foil lap technique is genius.

[@krazziee2000]

man it is good to see you again,,, been missing you , thanks for the video//

[@piccilos]

Wow at the aluminum foil trick. Will try.

[@pauldevey8628]

Great video and ideas. Thank you, again.

[@fredaraujo6345]

Nice video to learn from. I use to do something similar to lap. But the trick that I was taught many years ago by an Italian mentor while doing my apprenticeship in South America. He would use thin construction paper about .5mm THICK or .020" thick. and no lighter fluid . He would also tape down to a surface plate. But I found it kinda hard to get that construction paper here in the USA when working as a tool and die maker. So I bought plastic shim stock from McMaster . It's sold in several thicknesses and sizes. And I can achieve the exact effect of flat lapping and you can also use a very fine oil. Nice thing about buying it from McMaster is that you can buy the diamond lapping syringes and the plastic shim stock and get in the shop next day.

[@marvincarvin1846]

I was waiting to see if you used water and a squeegee to hold foil to table. Many films use this technique.

[@JamesJohnson-cn1pf]

Glad you’re back!

[@TheRealFOSFOR]

Now just attach one of those small surface plates on a random orbital sander and you got yourself a hyper lapper !

[@killercloud7019]

Thumbs up Tom! I was really craving some good meatloaf.

[@isbcornbinder]

Welcome back. I missed your dry humor

[@hilltopmachineworks2131]

Yeah been too long.

[@RyanWeishalla]

Nice techniques shown with both the internal lap and the aluminum foil.

[@CompEdgeX2013]

Nice Loaf. I have a Starrett with bad faces....was going to use it as a c-clamp. See what I can do about shoving it in your direction. :-)

[@duobob]

All great ideas!

[@mrgruisinge]

Thanks Tom, that was just flat worth learning.

[@kpsierens]

Tom, I have used aluminum foil and water to remove rust from chrome bike part, it works amazingly well!

[@transdimensionalist]

care to elaborate? do you just rub wet foil on the rusty chrome or is there more to it?

[@kpsierens]

Just take some tin foil, dip it in water and rub, it is like magic!

[@transdimensionalist]

thanks great tip will have to try it out :)

[@bendavanza]

Try it with wd-40 instead, or some people like using soda for the phosphoric acid but I don't like the stickiness.

[@MegaCountach]

Interesting content Tom, Thanks, cheers, Doug

[@BrotherMiracleMike]

Good to see you back Tom!

[@ke6bnl]

that was fun to watch, was never sure where your were headed. ejoyed and thanks

[@intjonmiller]

The magnetic digital levels are fantastic to have around. When I helped my brother install new Rotary lifts in his shop I slapped two of them on a post, 90° apart, and had an immediate readout of both cardinal directions for mounting it plumb. So much easier that trying to read a bubble level, and surely more accurate. Good to have a known flat and parallel piece of metal to span larger surfaces (averaging a rough surface finish, for instance). A 1/2" square by 6" HSS tool blank is my personal choice.

[@turningpoint6643]

I use mine on the bench grinder table to set angles. Very doubtful you could set any of those cheaply made non vernier equipped degree scales to +- 1/10th of a degree by eye and it's faster. With a bit of finesse you can even set grinder table miter gages by setting the bar against something that's vertical and fairly accurate then use the level on the working face. Maybe not quite good enough for grinding a threading tool, but for everything else probably good enough.They are a pretty handy little tool.

[@KG-yn9qi]

Well so Tom what is it with every one ? Nice to see a video thank you

[@ianjoubert7505]

Mr Lipton!!! Welcome back! Please dont stay away for such a long time again!

[@RRINTHESHOP]

Nice ideas.

[@4SafetyTraining]

Thank you , missed your show.

[@phooesnax]

Very interesting stuff Tom! Jim

[@craigs5212]

Tom, wonder if you could use it to keep your bench stone flat. Craig

[@ricker1bricker]

ALRIGHT!!! New OxToolCo video!!! Looks like my Monday isn't turning out to bad at all!

[@SuperSecretSquirell]

On my way to work this morning I literally thought to myself that I hadn't seen a meatloaf episode in a long time.

[@Neo7CNC]

Been craving some meatloaf...

[@somebodyelse6673]

I have some pieces of granite countertop material (a local counter place has an outdoor dumpster for scrap, and they let me rescue some when I asked nicely), and I'm going to tinker with making little flat laps via the 3 plate method. That aluminum tape trick is just seductively easy looking. I get that the foil itself is nicely uniform thickness, but I wonder about the adhesive layer. I've been told that lapping film is superior to equivalent grit paper, because the thicker paper has too much 'give' to be precise. Would that apply to adhesive as well? Does the lapping process just cancel out that consideration?

[@tho1efx]

But I love the theory! I doubt I'll get the opportunity to work under you at Berkeley. So how else will I learn the nitty gritty of how these arcane processes work?

[@russkepler]

I've got a set of 4 Mitutoyo optical parallels that I've used to check the parallelism of my small mics, similar in function to that ST parallel. I've seem metric sets for larger mics on eBay, clearly from old USSR sources.

[@tek4]

About a month ago, I did this with my hf digital angle gauge and made some brass screw heads with lateral indexed knearling

[@richardherbert3781]

Is there a reason why you couldn't use some float glass to do lapping like this, to save a surface plate? (minute 28 ish)

[@TheMetalButcher]

A divinding head and *cough* that blue South Bend 7" shaper *cough* would make those Lap grooves pretty nice.

[@PeterWMeek]

Aluminum instantly (almost) forms an oxide coating on exposure to air. And what is that coating? Aluminum oxide - a notable abrasive. How much cutting is due to the charge, and how much to the aluminum oxide?

[@felixar90]

Does it matters if you use the dull side or the shiny side of the foil?

[@andregross7420]

Woodcraft also sells Chinese surface plates at a decent price. Might even be cheaper than Shars with shipping

[@danielbuck]

would a thicker mil foil work? would certainly not rip as easy.

[@per-erikhoglund4085]

Very interesting video about lapping. More videos on this topic. What is the price of those small granite plates?

[@sinadaneshkhah8537]

Hello Thanks for sharing your video with us. Ihave one question: Iwill lapp my micrometer and only ihave 2 peaces gage block.(klas 0) if iuse of them for lapping white diamond paste will be okay? Of course thay are not from my gage block set and Ibaught them extra. Best regards sina from Austria 🇦🇹

[@lumpy2080]

could you "spritz" some thin liquid (water) on the plate before putting the aluminum foil down to help eliminate wrinkles in the aluminum?

[@brandontscheschlog]

Great idea on the aluminum foil. Could you use aluminum foil tape that HVAC guys use for air ducts? It would be smaller but it would be flat and not rip quite as easy as the aluminum foil

[@matman7546]

Brandon Tscheschlog exactly what I was thinking. You can buy up to 47.25” wide aluminum gaffer’s tape from this place. The 6” would be perfect. Use a roller of some kind to roll it down without bubbles and you’re set www.findtape.com/JVCC-AF20-Aluminum-Foil-Tape/p267/?cid=47&idx=1&tid=1&info=Foil%2520Tapes%253A%2520Aluminum%252C%2520Copper%252C%2520Lead%2520%2526%2520Mastic%252FAluminum%2520Foil%2520Tape

[@ВикторЕльтиков]

Hi! Where to buy Norton blue Ice A975 Abrasive Rolls

[@JamesChurchill3]

Hi Tom. In the 3d printing world, we use sheets of glass / mirrors as a 'flat' surface to print on. I was wondering exactly how flat something like this is when compared to something calibrated and certified like your surface plate there. Nice find on the optical parallel, always interesting to scan through eBay to see what hidden treasures people are selling.

[@zumbazumba1]

it depends,some mirrors/glass are flat some are not.Generaly you want a Float glass(type of glass). It will be flat to some point ,for most of us mere mortals enough,unless you do oil rig pipe seals or nasa space station toilets . If you face the peace of steel on a lathe (good one) you can get it flat to a 1/100 of a mm.He did video series in which he made his own laping plates by facing 3 discs on a lathe and laping each other.

[@uMuDDyu]

We've missed you uncle Tom

[@shutupmeg176]

Lapped the bottom of a harbour freight angle guage...Yep, Tom's back :D

[@RGSABloke]

Entertaining, educational and enlightening, its all here folks. Thanks for sharing. Kindest regards. Joe. PS I have decided you and Robin are the 'Dynamic Duo', not sure who is who thought😂😂😂😂😂.

[@holyblood1]

Yes, I admit, I felt the lack of your Meatloaf video presence mr Lipton, however interesting practical use of aluminum foil.

[@derKarl_stp]

I know those "bevel boxes" from my friends in wood working... when they set their bevel cuts on the table saw :-)

[@Pappaoh]

Great vid Tom!

[@christurley391]

Would fluid under the aluminum foil help with mounting it to the granite instead of tape edges? I see that was asked already.

[@GUSMIX22]

Tom What is in the "KingsFord" lighter fluid that is special ? Thanks Brian F. AKA GUSMIX on hear.

[@sccolbert]

How did you check the parallelism of the lap to that level of certainty (20 millionths)? That's better accuracy than my surface plate, so I'm curious as to how that is done.

[@JWH3]

I have a suggestion for the tin foil lapping. I think you'll get better results if you put a drop or two of mineral oil on the plate, something that has some modest viscosity; grease might even work but oil will spread easier on the plate. Use a flexible squeegee to get a nice even layer just the slightest wiff of oil then lay your foil out and use the squeegy (after cleaning the squeegy) again over the top of the foil to get the air out from underneath, it will also vacuum adhere the foil to the plate pretty good as long as you don't over do it with the oil.

[@douro20]

If that cylindrical lap were made of copper it could almost be a magnetron cavity.

[@2lefThumbs]

Thanks Tom - do you have a video dealing with round-off of edges when lapping? I just don't seem to be able to avoid it, but you kinda shrug it off in this video, makes me wonder if you've already covered it :)

[@PeteBrubaker]

Is the big project a slotting attachment for the lathe?

[@celexalexandersson]

Im prolly totaly off.. But If you have checked out for example knife sharpening stones? Are they straight as a lapping plate? If you need some fine tuning. I would use Shapton Glass stone #12000 - #30000

[@zowadacustomknives]

Even when "lapped" on a DMT, Atoma, or Shapton diamond plate, the knife/razor stones are nowhere near flat enough for precision lapping of other parts.

[@Skrallslim]

I don't have a surface plate, and get one here (nothern Norway) Is impossible for me. Un less i start to shit gold bars. Any alternatives? How does glass plates work for surfaceplate alternative. And Tom ... my abstinence was getting critical. ahh the meatloaf fix :)

[@Mishn0]

The lap thingy looks like the inards of a magnetron.