Monkey Business at Stratford-upon-Avon

[@corvanzutven3065]

Mr Waugh you were brilliant - rest in peace ❤😢

[@tomgoff6867]

Sad to hear of Mr. Waugh's passing...so much greatness accomplished, but of course he'd have contributed even more...

[@matt_cummins28]

Fantastic stuff, thanks very much. Very illuminating and interesting.

[@sinnombre-xs9ub]

Excellent, so intriguing! Thank you for posting

[@seantice]

incredible mental gymnastics to arrive at the conclusions. could it just be simply that the individual who created the text of the monument was trying to be as clever with words as Shakespeare was? this sort of convoluted cyphering is just like the crazy bible code stuff.

[@joecurran2811]

You do know the tomb is empty don't you?

[@RicoMoneybags]

even tho i watched these i always find myself coming back for more...

[@onefeather2]

I watched... Cracking the Shakespeare code by Petter Amundsen and they show this mounment it is awful, looking, he Petter talks about and finds clues in the saying written under it. He also talk about the original picture of Shakespeare selling wool and show the old wood cut or drawing picture of it. It is an interesting show even if it is different and they go into the oak island subject it has some great research and historical information. Petter is really good at finding codes and figureing out things, he also mentions subjects that Alexander does, an entertaining watch 🙂❤️❤️❤️

[@ThunderboltWisdom]

I really enjoyed Petter's insights too. He looks for clues in various documents and the original Shakespeare Folio. Love this historical detective work!

[@jennifermcclean1308]

Guessing a wool dealer might be a way to discuss fleece...

[@agateplanet]

Wooliam Apespeare. Not overly reverential. I wonder why ? Really enjoyed this episode. Please keep going.

[@jesusislukeskywalker4294]

“wheel i am” .. tho i like your joke on the “wool iam “ joke too.. my interpretation would be : someone’s being fleeced..😂 someone’s had the wool pulled over their eyes.. 😂. (ie chakra pairs fans)

[@dmiller4511]

Also the wool sack is the seat of the Lord Chanceller from Richard III (1327); still in common parlance

[@joecurran2811]

Richard II

[@mondomacabromajor5731]

Fascinating details ....

[@sueroberts6193]

I have just discovered you. Very interesting! 🌹

[@TheIrishLoaf]

(1) Wool sack is conjecture. Cushions are seen in many wall funerary monuments! Ralph Hutchinson (d. 1606). (2) Dugdale and Hollar's known cushions illustrations resemble the wool sack conjecture. So even if you accept the monument was changed entirely, the Dugdale/Hollar drawings/engravings depict a cushion. (3) We can predict how Dugdale influences his drawings based on the 'changes' between monuments if the change was not, in fact, so significant. Sloping shoulders, and stretching disproportionately are examples of such exaggerations, and we find them in his other drawings of other monuments. It's a slam dunk case in which Dugdale's drawings contain much more variation than the variation the monument may have undergone to resemble what it does in early paintings.

[@padraiggluck2980]

Chat-GOT-4: The person who wrote that the bust of Shakespeare looked like a bladder was John Aubrey, a 17th-century antiquarian and biographer. He wrote in his Brief Lives that Shakespeare’s monument in Stratford-upon-Avon was "a very rare one, but his bust is like a bladder". Aubrey was not the only one who criticized the bust, which was made by Nicholas Johnson, a London sculptor, from life. Thomas Gainsborough wrote that “Shakespeare’s bust is a silly smiling thing” and J. Dover Wilson, a critic and biographer of Shakespeare, once remarked that the Bard’s effigy makes him look like a "self-satisfied pork butcher". However, some scholars have defended the bust as a faithful and realistic representation of Shakespeare’s appearance and personality.

[@marclayne9261]

'The House of Wittgenstein' a work of Genius......i just finished 'A Scribbler in Soho'.....

[@windywednesday4166]

A couple of things I noted...the drawing by Wenceslaus Hollar (3 and 4 minutes) the coat of arms looks like a phoenix above the helmet. Pen points down. 5:42, Sir William Dugdale does the decoration above the coat of arms very differently, the pen is pointing up and the helmet is completely different. He also draws the hourglass as an X I.

[@yeahman147]

The X I is relating to jesus or iesus as it once was

[@windywednesday4166]

@@yeahman147 ah. That makes sense. Thank you.

[@jameshudson169]

6:34 that's a jackanapes! you jackanapes!! nah, i'm just kiddin' ya. you're great! :)

[@martindrew3513]

I'm contented with William Johnson's take and enjoy Alexander's takes

[@MsDormy]

I'm not a great puzzler, but I wonder if - and it is admittedly a bit of a stretch - but if the full inscription (the one that reaveals the pictogram of a key in a 34 column grid) was there when the statue looked like a monkey - could 'monkey' be a clue? Mon key.... ?

[@jesusislukeskywalker4294]

yes definitely

[@irtnyc]

Can some domain expert (I don’t care if Oxfordian or not) unpack and provide a source for Alexander Waugh’s allusion approximately 10 minutes into this video, that Edward de Vere 17th Earl of Oxford, “held the lease on the first public theater” in England? Which theater is that, when, and where?

[@usernamedenied1881]

This guy could make a fortune as a technical trader

[@jameshudson169]

2:40 it would make sense if it were later than 1650. when they looked back to 1650 to make the statue they might have asked themselves what the fashions were back then. no! that's right.......well, the people didn't KNOW the fashions back then. like medieval artists painting medieval biblical motifs. they paint what they know.

[@basaltgranite5070]

4:10 What painting is that? It's beautiful.

[@okolepuka808]

Surely time obscures truth, I would argue.

[@alexanderwaugh7036]

“Time’s glory is to calm contending kings, to unmask falsehood and bring truth to light” (Shakespeare, ‘Lucrece’ 1594); “I have engaged myself so far in her Majesties service to bring truth to light” (Oxford letter to Burghley, 1595); “But now time and truth have unmasked all difficulties” (Oxford letter to Robert Cecil, 1602).

[@okolepuka808]

@@alexanderwaugh7036 ...unless, of course, arguing with The Bard(De Vere) or Mr. Waugh himself, in which case I would humbly concede to my intellectual betters. ;) Thanks for taking the time Alex.

[@AB-xo7zw]

Thanks. Brilliant insight, where would one begin to develop a lexicon of symbology?

[@ThunderboltWisdom]

The Church. The Alchemists. The Freemasons. That's just for starters. 🤯

[@Gunth0r]

- works on mythology, architectural archaeology, ancient astrology (as opposed to the "modern horoscope") and symbology (there are good lexicons out there already) - rennaissance works in the same fields - all the great religious and spiritual texts - both ancient and modern poetry, music and theatre (as well as movies) - as Thunderbolt Wisdom mentioned: alchemy and freemasonry. - philology, philosophy and psychology are also fields that talk about symbols a lot - Geometry

[@choice12ozborne]

Well you should check out the layout of DC in the United States. Just go check a KZbin video if you've never learned about it . That is probably the most dull never fully landscaped and blue printed city in the entire USA IMO

[@choice12ozborne]

@@ThunderboltWisdom Wouldn't be the Catholic Church and the Freemasons unless you believe when the Catholic Church condemns the Freemasons for centuries that they are actually doing this as a ploy. Till this day the Catholic Church doesn't want its members Being Freemasons although I did. I learned the hard way that Freemasonry and Catholicism is nothing alike. The jesuits are the most educated in several areas In reference to the So called educated Catholic priest. Even if One would look into the deep doctrines of Catholicism They'd be very disappointed. When you say the church I'm just guessing you mean the Catholic Church. Keep in mind there's not a huge difference between any of these early churches that still exist such as the Ethiopian, Coptic, Armenian, And just in general pretty much the Eastern orthodox churches from Greece to Russia. Bay of a heck of a lot more in common with the Catholic Church then any other churches on Earth. All these churches are very powerful and their teachings are very similar. So it would have to be the Eastern orthodox churches along with the Catholic Church Who would be the church. One needs to choose between the masons or the Catholic And orthodox Church. Free masonry and the Churches a mention aboveI'm not even distant cousins concerning philosophy and teaching . Freemasonry very much teaches something you tapped upon which would be and alchymist or one of these believers in attracting certain things in life and in this world through strong belief systems and then others practice rituals to attract these things so you'd come a lot closer comparing which is such as wicca to Freemasonry if the Individual pays attention to philosophy and practice. The occult is more akin to freemasonry. Actually Freemasonry is teaching things that are hidden and secret. I won't lie and say there's not an umbel leave obal amount of knowledge that is and a large libraryThat is used and this is for one's on education along with moving through the ranks higher. I was only there when year but trust me I know people that have been in it for decades that are much older than I. Freemasonry should be compared to the mystery schools of Egypt, Sumer, Greece, Rome and of course you know the list goes on.So forth so onMost people don't realize that the Catholic Church lets it be known they don't want members joining any sort of secret societee. There's lots of rumors out there and they use the are coming from 7th day Adventist and Jehovah's witnesses for some reason. In Freemasonry there were people from so many different religions it wasn't even funny bro. I went in very Early and after a year I was done. The initiation is self is enough to let anyone know there has ever been a Catholic there's nothing they can close to compare these 2 even in the deeper doctrines. There's been countless books written even by Freemasons that and a subtle way the catholics aren't their friends. Again if your 7th day Adventist or Jehovah's witness then you may have Caught This belief system from countless books Veiw published over more than a 100 years.

[@ThunderboltWisdom]

@@choice12ozborne Yeh when I said The Church I was talking about all of them I suppose. And I just meant that each of the things I mentioned have their own symbology and so are worth looking into individually. Not that they are all lumped together. I see what you are saying about all the different churches I think. But am interested in why you left the masons after only a year. Did you leave after only getting your EA degree? I'd have wanted to know what came next! I'd be too curious.

[@MrAbzu]

I wonder what they did with the bones of the plague victims? I hope they were stacked neatly somewhere.

[@johnanthony8653]

At around 27 minutes he refers to a picture of a giant key that reads: Vere lives in Shakspeare whose name he is. Is there a video on this?

[@weaponscommanderroringusan5625]

David Shakespeare, KZbin channel...

[@yeahman147]

Brunel University London youtube channel goes In depth about vere

[@Davidhjrick]

Why does no body comment on the amount of text on the plaques of the drawings on his monument? One drawing has very few lines, one has seven full lines of text.

[@onefeather2]

You might want to watch Cracking the Shakespeare Code by Petter Amundsen, he talks about the writing on that awful sculpture they show here, an interesting view on Shakespeare and who wrote it Petter is great with codes that is how I came across the video it may be not what everyone agrees with but he does do research on Shakespeare and it is worth watching I think. ☺️❤️❤️

[@yeahman147]

It's freemasonry

[@yeahman147]

Watch Brunel University London youtube channel

[@steveweston4597]

I wonder if a woolen sack is shown to indicate that Shakespeare was "pulling the wool over one's eyes?"

[@alexanderwaugh7036]

When did this expression come into being, do you know?

[@k5av]

Wealthy Brits of the 17th and 18th centuries were fond of wearing woollen wigs. To punish those engaging in this sissy practice, brigands would tug their victims' hairpieces down over their faces, the more easily to relieve them of their pounds and pence. The practice of wearing wigs continued into the 19th century at all Britain's colonies (including America and Australia) and came to be associated with someone who could be easily deceived once their wig was pulled over their eyes. David Buley, Seaforth Medieval fairs were places of wonder and dastardly deeds where robbers were always on the lookout for victims. Their favourite technique was to pull the victim's hood over his eyes while cutting his purse-strings. Hence the expressions to hoodwink and to pull the wool over one's eyes. David Paterson, Asquith

[@HS-mu8fp]

No mind can come close to Sir Francis Bacon who I believe is lurking behind all the mysteries of his time.

[@yeahman147]

It's freemasonry

[@Minecraft-pj4hm]

Really - the thing about Shakespeare is you do not need a genius to right them : you just need a genius playwright. There is a vast difference. To suggest that a colossus such as Bacon stooped to write Shakespeare is as bad as suggesting Stephen Hawking wasted his time writing Coronation Street. Absurd. Bacon had too great a mind, and it insults him and his achievements.

[@目は心の鏡]

That statue makes him look like an alien imo. Maybe that’s the true story behind the author. If I was waiting for a busk to be delivered and that showed up I’d be like “your not getting paid for that sorry you spent 10 years on it but that’s not my problem”.

[@kenharvey8946]

I find this entire question some what interesting. But in the biggest of pictures. Does it really change anyone's life either way. I say enjoy the text and have a good life.

[@jschiek8054]

Without any assertions to the identity of the author or authors of the Shakespeare plays, how feasible is it to conjecture that an unscrupulous theater manager might broker and take credit for the plays with the built in protection of societal norms, that accusing him of having stolen the plays would have been akin to a child tattling on another for having their eyes open during prayers? And what if Shakspere’s return to Stratford from London left a cold trail only to be flushed out again by the release of the First Folio, at which point the passage of time and key individuals had inspired a bitter ceasefire amongst those in the know to embrace the fraud for what it had become? It’s no less surmise than that required to believe the Stratford Man wrote the Works, and in my opinion makes better facility of the available facts.

[@jesusislukeskywalker4294]

@Richard Fox Mi6 written all over it.. similar with the Beatles. some of these answers we may never know.. if you asked me i would say at least 2 John Lennon’s.. i would say 3. definitely there were 2 Brian Epstein’s. And the Paul Macartney’s again at least 2, i would say 3 Paul Macartney’s. 2 George Harrisons.. Ringo is the only one there isn’t obvious evidence of having doubles or triples.

[@geoaerorider4589]

Those columns tho. Whatever could they symbolize?

[@danielbf0977]

Man, you go far

[@onefeather2]

Very refreshing, not All the stuffy no truth that they have been telling the public, but lies make them money..lol..

[@richardsimpson6321]

Doesn’t the lord chancellor sit on the wool sack in the House of Lords? Was this not Oxford’s position. I refer to your comment that an earlier picture of the monument depicts him with a wool pack. Also in another video you comment that Elizabeth Trentham is described as an immaculate virgin which means she was childless. On the contrary, to my mind an immaculate virgin is a woman who has a child by a man not her husband.

[@weaponscommanderroringusan5625]

"man"?

[@Jeffhowardmeade]

Oxford was not the Lord Chancellor, which is an actual job with authority and responsibilities which one must earn. He was the Lord Great Chamberlain, which was an hereditary and ceremonial post.

[@richardsimpson6321]

Thanks for the clarification

[@kelvinkersey5058]

Page - reminds me that Moth, the servant in Loves Labours Lost was originally called Page in the first folio. youtube video /watch?v=p39QpYyOD6Y talks of the Page holding a message

[@danreeves3046]

V=p39QpYy0D6Y

[@rexterrocks]

I'm all for theories regarding who may have written the 'Shakespeare' canon but I'm afraid once the monkey bit got started I found it started to get a bit too fanciful.

[@darthlaurel]

Read Mark Anderson - Shakespeare By Another Name.

[@rexterrocks]

@@darthlaurel It is a good book. De Vere led an amazing life and is an interesting character. He's my main suspect. That's a convincing, well-researched book, unlike this video.

[@simonlatham1439]

Not bricks, stones!!

[@101Ezb]

Willy Strats only lived to the age of fiftytwo naught 53 ...

[@nigelsouthworth808]

He was in his 53rd year

[@bastianconrad2550]

Alexander asks himself, literally: „What on earth is the point of hiding all this in a hidden riddle… a hidden answer …with collusions? It‘s time to split the epitaph into 2 parts: one represents a commemoration in honor of the author of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark and all of his plays, known as William Shake-speare the writer , but can also be read in commoration of our merchant , our William of Stratford Poet Ape. How does this work? And what problems are we going to face?. “[end of quote] The logic of Alexanders derivation - unfortunately- is by no means obvious. And astonishingly Alexander doesn’t even touch the „Oxford -issue:“ Isn’t there really a more plausible way to find the true Autor of Hamlet? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYi6qo2XirCDo9k&t=1

[@SiriusDraconis]

Smells like Bacon in here.. The Author of The tempest is certainly Sir Francis Bacon. It is an account of when John Dee sent him away to an island to practice his magic or alchemy. Shakespeare was liking the author of nothing. But he was a very brave man willing to take full responsibility if anything went wrong with this project. All of the Shakespearian works were about a Rosicrucian movement and the colonization of the new world. Bacons new Atlantis and the new kingdom of Israel all while hiding and burying of religious artifacts on the North American continent. Bacon is also the secret son of Queen Elisabeth. Also the head author of the Shakespeare sonnets, the King James Bible, and the Rosicrucian manifestos the Fama Fraternitatis and Confessio Fraternitatis. Even the name Will I am for God and Shakespeare for the goddess Pallas Athena the spear shaker. The true author of Shakespeare was the most laudable Rosy Cross. Wild claims I know but very true. Going to watch some of your videos. I like what I'm seeing.

Unfortunately I would like to check out your videos, I can’t get past the mechanical sounding voices you use. Pity

[@onefeather2]

The new part of the building,look at the two sets of new windows the trim is different from the old windows,you would think they would have done it the same. Sloppy way of doing it.❤

[@jesusislukeskywalker4294]

yes, subtle jokes, always going on.. this may come as a shock particularly to shakespeare fans. .. the globe was an in the round theatre.. the north pole is the centre of the earth. john dee knew.

[@ducdejoyeuse]

The only genius who could have created the mask of Shake-Speare, was Sir Francis Bacon. For the simple cypher evidence we need to use the hyphen , it is very important, so W-I-LL-I-AM-SHAKE-SPEARE. Now to understand the code it is essential to find the Dark Lady. In 1573 Tyccho Brahe discovered a Supernova in Cassiopeia , in the same year Francis Bacon walked out of Cambridge University with the words " I have had enough of Aristotlean education." This was when he was twelve about the year he created Ulpian Fullwell. So W is Cassiopeia as she appears in the sky, the Dark Lady, it is then simple to deduce the cypher as L = 50 and 50+50=100 the gematria for Francis Bacon and the Hebrew Gematria of Cure/ Healer. the whole cypher then reads W the Dark Lady Cassiopeia I Francis Bacon I Am Shake-Speare. With Shake-Speare is the anagram Seak H Reap Six . to find the H it is essential to look behind the mask Anne Hath-A-Way. In 1581 Francis was at the wedding in September of that year at the wedding of Duc Anne de Joyeuse at the Louvre ( R U Love?) now Anne was a member of the Cordon Blue a secret society, he initiated Francis, so Anne Hath-A-Way is the Duc is way was initiation, the clue is in the H remove it from Hatha and we find Atha, Irish for Father and each initiate is given a new father. Just a little glimpse into the hidden Irish in the plays is also amongst many Miranda, from The Tempest, Mir Anfa is Irish for Portion of the Storm and of course Miranda is the first to observe the portion of the storm. For Time Revealing Truth in The New Atlantis by Francis has the engraving of Time Revealing Truth, she is shown being led from her cave of darkness into the light of truth by Time himself

[@martinkimber8033]

The Private Life of William Shakespeare by Lena Cowen Orlin .. should sort out this nonsense and confirm the bust is just about contemperaneous to Shakespeare`s life, therefore a pretty accurate view of what he looked like at the end of his life ...

[@alexanderwaugh7036]

Thank you Martin, In Part 2 called "MORE Monkey Business at Stratford on Avon" I explain why Lena Cowen Orlin has got it wrong. You can watch it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHqXg4xvjc9qfrc

[@belaboured]

Certainly the statue has been over repaired, and that alone could account for the moustache, but your argument seems to rest heavily on an assumption of Dugdale's precision and accuracy. One has only to look at features of his drawing to cast doubt on that. The proportions of the arch don't accord with any other depiction, but the weirdly proportioned cherubs with their long boneless arms and tiny heads really stand out. Dugdale clearly was no more an artist than heraldic. No eye and no hand. He did at least faithfully indicate details that remain, such as the collar, the features of the waistcoat and the folds in the sleeves. As well, the other drawing that you have there, perhaps early 19th century but before the monument was removed and the charnel house wall rebuilt, shows nothing different about the shoulders. Sorry, no solid evidence here that any substantial alteration ever took place. No monkey.

[@ronroffel1462]

You are wrong on all points about the alteration. In 1748 the rector of Holy Trinity Church was part of a "beautification" project. John Hall did a painting of the monument before it was "retouched". At that time the heads of the putti were replaced (you can see the different shade of grey where the right putto head was glued on the shoulders in some photos.) The bust's head may also have been replaced during the 17th century since at the time of Shakspere's death in 1616, the style of beard and moustache were unlike what is on the bust. Finally, the monument was again "beautified" in the 1850s, but not after plaster casts of the head were made so that the town could probably license copies of the bust.