Chow Gar Southern Mantis - Kung Fu of Hong Kong ep7

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

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[@General_Kenobi_212]

I remember watching Mind, Body, and Kick-ass Moves on early KZbin as a kid. That show along with other Martial Arts shows at the time like Fight Quest, Human Weapon, and Fight Science, inspired me to get into martial arts. It's so cool to see you got to go to the same place.

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

Yea, was very cool. I trained Taekkyon for a year in South Korea with the teacher also featured on the series

[@Gieszkanne]

@@MonkeyStealsPeach In South Korea is also a strong Taiji Meihua Tang Lang tradition. Did you also get into this style in South Korea?

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

Actually I didn’t go to visit any schools, but I have met lots of Koreans training and attending events in Shandong

[@KungFit]

I watched all those shows too! So many hours spent nerding over martial arts before I got to start training regularly

[@marylewis3311]

The guy that rung the large bell without making a sound 😳

[@stonetigerxingyi]

I love this one. The teacher is like a big kid who gets to share his favorite things. Love his smile.

[@kevinhammond2187]

Yeah

[@EvosBasics]

Had a great time! Thank you for shining a spotlight on the system

[@vietle87]

Nice seeing you in this clip! Awesome showcase of the style.

[@caseysutherland]

I am so grateful for the work you are doing to showcase the art styles across the world. Thank you, deeply.

[@AlvarJanikson]

非常好！Thanks a lot for these videos. This clearly shows the difference between the traditional approach and the production of those black belts that have flooded the US and the rest of the so-called Western world who have no idea what they are doing. Keep up the good work!

[@chrispopsjunior8978]

Was lucky to meet Ip Sui twice many years ago, when he came with his Ip Chee Keung to London and taught seminars at si-fu Paul Whitrod's kwoon... Ip Sui si-fu was crazily powerful

[@jacobharris954]

So same style then, I know he teaches Muay Thai and Muay boran

[@jl1876]

Ip Sui si-fu was crazily powerful in what way?

[@deadlypalms]

Great to see. This really shows how tough a style this is and it shows a lot of the forms and body conditioning work. There is an internal, softer internal flavour that comes much, much later, but training in this style is arduous. Lots of dit dar needed after training! Strange to think it's been 20 odd years since Mind/Body & Kickass Moves showed this style (which is when I was training in it under ICK!). There are lots of very nice hand techniques in chow gar and I generally prefer to see these demonstrated rather than all the forms and jongs, but still good to see. Thank you for putting these hakka videos together, so great to see the common ground.

[@winghosamLeung-ff3bu]

South Mantis Fist is mostly popular in Hakka native villages.

[@jonathanma713]

Brilliant brilliant video thank you very much Will! I commented on the not so well translated Cantonese in your last video, and this video you totally nailed it with Arthur @evosbasics and Master Ip! They kept their Cantonese explanations short, their skills transcends language barrier, their English is clear and simple, and also very entertaining! Makes me a fan of the art immediately! Two thumbs up for you! 👍🏻👍🏻

[@AM-lh7rw]

Southern Mantis training brings back old memories. Especially the hammer fist & palm striking and the back to back striking, grinding arms, grinding legs, heavy arm etc Lol😂

[@rhonddarousey9683]

Mind, body and kick ass moves inspired a generation

[@Kung_Fu_Jonney]

Very cool, thank you Sifu!

[@4.23.21]

Can you do one on kwong sai jook lum spm

[@TheBadassTonberry]

I laughed harder than I probably should at the first qigong exercise.

[@hollowdusk]

You can really see clearly how Okinawa karate has its origin here

[@guido3771]

No. This is a ridiculous comparison. Their movements here are too stiff and their demos partly like Shaolin shows. We don't need that, it's a step back.

[@WalintHUN]

Except you are wrong... kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqHWoJ6im66rh5Isi=WSEYldU74Is3Jv2h&t=1057 Okinawan doesn't neglect their roots, maybe other proud Japanese, even their philosophy is the same, and every dojo has the Chinese depiction of Bódhidharma the Indian warrior monk who bring knowledge to Shaolin monks@@guido3771

[@tonezboy]

A major part of Okinawan karate came from southern Chinese arts. Mainly white crane and southern long fist but many others as well. Goju Ryu sanchin very much resembles lots of iron shirt chi Gung exercises from southern arts.

[@jarrodpelrine7229]

Wow this is awesome 💯😎 hard core Kung Fu baby 💪

[@ricc00000]

Like the atmosphere of this video ….. free talk , smooth and warm feelings. Usually found in Chinese Kung -Fu community. Good

[@BaiLong45]

I smiled when they did the Hammer Fist training. I distinctly remember doing that with my sifu. His fist slamming into my palm didn't hurt. Rather, my fist slamming into his palm hurt. Ha fun times. Again, a great episode. The training and techniques were fantastic. The more I watch of your series in HK, the prouder I am of Southern Chinese Martial arts. Seeing how Hakka arts spread, evolved, and influenced all these other styles is so cool. Nice to see EvoBasics and younger generations continuing this Southern Praying Mantis. Finally, just wanted to give a shout out to that episode of Mind, Body, and Kickass Moves. It was also my first introduction to Chow Gar Praying Mantis. Check out the RTHK Kung Fu Quest episode on Praying Mantis as well. This, plus northern schools of praying mantis, are featured. Great job everyone!

[@wtfgeis]

This was an awesome video! Would love to see you do more with southern mantis for sure. If you ever do, you should reach out to Roger Hagood who lives in Pingshan. He's a massive wealth of knowledge about southern mantis and has some really rare material from multiple lineages. He could also easily connect you with the roots of much of what remains of the old styles.

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

Thanks so much! I'll definitely look him up, as I'd love to do a video going deeper into old styles of SPM

[@lateo68]

Very interesting…really enjoying the channel 👍

[@lightshadow5294]

Like your videos, and I had heard that mantis style has some history of spies or stealth, is this true and are there any kung fu schools that have a history of skills in spying or stealth?

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

Haha I doubt it, these are styles created by rural people to protect themselves from bandits

[@varanid9]

In a way, yes. "Chow Gar" ( actually Chu Gar ) is a Hakka art. Another Hakka art, generally referred to as "Vagabond style", was used by Chinese gypsies who were often thieves and assassins and, SUPPOSEDLY, some of their ideas and methods for stealth and assination made it into Japanese Ninjutus ( which has many disciplines originated from China ). As for Southern Mantis itself, again, it SUPPOSEDLY ( according to the Chu family ) started out as a fighting art the royal family before they were deposed by the Qing. These peasant boxing styles ( colloquially referred to, rather contemptuously, as "village kung fu" by actual warriors) were co-opted by rebels during the Boxer Rebellion with assassination as a possible use, so, take your pick.

[@lightshadow5294]

@PaMuShin thank you, that makes a lot of sense and I was wondering a lot about that topic recently, but thanks for the detailed explanation.

[@shaolin1derpalm]

Kinda looked a lot like uechi Ryu. Crazy to see .

[@frankmartinez4856]

Paul Whitlok Sifu, was the first introduce Chow Gar Tong Long P’ai 😳first heard, Chu Gar from a Hong Kong mag. in the early 70’s! Tough styles 😬 thanks Sifu, great series 🎉

[@frankmartinez4856]

My mistake 😳Whitrod Sifu 😬

[@privacyghost]

Cool

[@ricc00000]

I learn that b4 , even for a few months in another Sifu .very good training

[@OngoGablogian666]

Damn that hammer fist strike looks dirty, good whip mechanic behind it.

[@bruno1653]

Amazing

[@ronaldwheeler1153]

Another Outstanding Job‼️ Am looking forward to the final installment. The late Ip Sui Sifu's younger son is just as Skilled as his older brother. You mentioned a few varieties of Southern Mantis. From what I know theirs the : Chow Ga Tong Long Pai Chu Ga Tong Long Pai. Evidently these two styles are the same but have some variation in the Form and Application of techniques. Then theirs "Kwang Sai Jook Lum Tong Long Pai". (Kwang Sai Bamboo Forest Praying Mantis System) . You also have a younger version called "Iron Ox Tong Long Pai". I don't know the origin of this version of Southern Mantis but, I hear it's gaining of popularity. Can't wait to see Part Two of this particular style of Southern Mantis.🔥🔥🔥

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

Yep, all these styles are something to explore another time!

[@ruiseartalcorn]

Great stuff! Many thanks :)

[@Gonosen]

Looks similar to Uechi Ryu...

[@edtheangler4930]

Tought same. I sometimes do mantis hooks in uechi because it just kind of looks cool

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

Okinawan Karate shares a common ancestor with Hakka arts… but are descended from old Fujian styles. You can see more about that in the series I did with Jesse Enkamp

[@tommyharmon214]

Are you aware of any teachers who teach Chuka Southern Praying Mantis in southern China?

[@obscurelines]

I studied for two years in London in the 90s. It's a funny style. Not ostensibly terrible, I appreciated the use of the hammer and the idea of very strong bridging forearms. But little things grated. When we sparred (with motorcycle helmets on) we would invariably find that our path to striking the opponent on the forehead was blocked by their arms and we'd end up leaning at the waist or taking a step and swiping across the head to the temple. This worked pretty well and isn't a bad self defence technique, but there was no form for this, the most effective way of applying the technique sat outside the system and that was problematic. I stuck to judo and boxing after that.

[@typesafedev]

Love Chow Gar Mantis. Don't love the ball kicking exercise.

[@Andrew-qy1kz]

Any videos of these guys actually fighting sparring or doing techniques against non Kung Fu guys like an average street fighter or kickboxers, sanda guys etc because you hardly see that it’s always give me your hand and let me do the technique? The only guys who actually test themselves and are traditionally martial artists that I’ve seen are Choy Lee Fut and Wing Chun guys the rest are all demos.

[@dreamsalamander]

There's a guy who won a scrapyard streetbeefs tournament with mantis. It looks like a good old brawl though, not like a Shaw brothers movie choreography. Personally I see most trad MA conditioning as a type of archaic fitness conditioning with ingrained fighting principles. And perhaps some benefits that aren't yet understood, like the featured iron crotch

[@KungFit]

There are plenty of traditional martial artists that do. It can be hard enough to organise a series of interviews in the short time span of a visit, organising something like that whilst overseas, for the right time and for us to film it would be almost impossible. You may well find some of these schools, or related ones have sparring or competition videos out there. Many Kung Fu teachers are quite traditional and wide spread filming is, in the grand scheme of things, quite new.

[@KungFit]

​@@dreamsalamanderyeah, a real fight will never look like Shaw Brothers films, but you should be able to see the kung Fu technique in there, not just basic kick boxing

[@dreamsalamander]

@@KungFit hi, I've watched some Sanda and the moves still look more like kickboxing(with takedowns) to me... Albeit with different emphasis and tactics. Kinda of like how Cuban boxing has its own unique style and technique, but still looks look boxing .. I've seen a rare CLF Vs CLF sparring vid that looks more different, but couldn't find out if its semi choreographed

[@Andrew-qy1kz]

@@KungFitthere was a guy who sparred someone from Chow gar in Kung fu quest but the chow gar was so bad and I recall got a nice smack to the face and a bleeding lip. The guy Wilson who was the guy came from a Choy Lee fut and wing Chun background but fights like a kickboxer.It’s just bad for real fighting. It may look good though but not really realistic. And all the nonsense condition doesn’t help a punch to the face etc. But each to their own nice to watch though but I wouldn’t ever put money of them against a kickboxer, Muay Thai or Sanda guy they would destroy them.

[@GermanSausagesAreTheWurst]

About 12 or 14 years ago, there was a Southern Mantis KZbinr who made several really in-depth videos about the basics of his style, but his master thought he was giving away too many secrets, and not only did he have to delete the videos, he deleted his whole channel. I'm glad Arthur's teacher is a bit more open minded.

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

That’s sad! There’s really nothing secret in martial arts anymore….

[@mitch_605]

Iron body conditioning is so interesting

[@mikehunt9884]

mind body and kickass moves! haha i remember that episode, with ip chee kung. I heard hes teaching in europe now

[@s.wilson5675]

Nice to see Chow Gar Tong Long getting more exposure. Mike Sheng has shown some interesting stuff throughout the years and has intergrated various styles; www.youtube.com/@shengchenfan

[@weiang820]

Finally see some serious people with serious training.😄

[@masanobuyamamoto6395]

Last video of HK is another Chow Gar and Will didn’t go to any Wing Chun schools. I guess Wing Chun is really water down then😢

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

Nah… I just wanna save Wing Chun for its own series that would cover HK, Foshan and Guangdong countryside

[@jonathanma713]

As a fellow Wing Chun practitioner in Hong Kong, I am actually very happy to see Will covering so many other Southern Chinese Kung Fus from my hometown. Firstly Wing Chun has been under the spotlight for so long thanks to the Kung Fu movies by Bruce Lee / Shaw Brothers / Donnie Yen etc, other styles should have their moment to be celebrated too and this channel is a great place to start. Secondly all the masters covered by Will are so passionate and open to share and show their hard earned skills, that is very respectable in my humble opinion. On the other hand, when you interview Wing Chun masters, I cannot help but to think of the proverb by Plato: “Empty vessels make the most noise.” 😂

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

@@jonathanma713 That is a good point, Wing Chun does get a lot of attention already. As it was my first style when I was 14 though, I would like to do a series on it and its different styles throughout Guangdong.... so a project for the future.

[@MrCorpsy6]

The guy at 7:01 has GPUs to sell.

[@dipayandey5372]

Is Iron OX praying Mantis same style of Hakka Kung-fu? Are there any Master who teaches Iron OX Praying Mantis in Hong Kong? I am from India.

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

Iron Ox is a related style yes. Im not sure how many people are still practicing it in Hong Kong though

[@Saviohno]

Hey, Savio from the Pak Mei video here. Yes there are still Iron Ox Praying Mantis masters, but unfortunately a well known master passed away a few years ago.

[@delepeno9636]

Pretty similar to Okinawa karate

[@winfieldjay2324]

I have that episode of Mind, Body, and Kick ass saved. Southern Mantis is one of my favorite styles. I like reading about verious styles both southern and northern. I knew about the Hakka styles years ago. Great job keep up the good work.

[@littlestoneliontraditional9838]

❤❤❤

[@eyalschnider]

i wonder if they know about boxing and muay tai?

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

Are they martial arts styles? I’ve never heard of them

[@Hakka_Charlie]

@@MonkeyStealsPeach hmm...never heard of them too, maybe they're a type of strong liquor baiju from China...;)

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

@@Hakka_Charlie I do love a good Baijiu!

[@charlesdacosta2446]

Where is this school? I am trying to locate it now in Hong Kong. Can you put me in touch with this school? I am here until Friday.

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

You can contact Master Ip on 6642 2745

[@drjqool]

BRUTAL

[@ShinobiNunjitsu]

Please before you leave hong Kong visit Sifu Nima 😢

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

I left Hong Kong in September

[@ArunSharma-ek9tl]

You sound British, I wonder of you'd consider approaching Sifu Paul Whitrod. Sorry if you have done so.

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

I am British, but I live in Australia now

[@ArunSharma-ek9tl]

@@MonkeyStealsPeach either way this was awesome. You have a subscriber forever. If over here do check him out, in fact I think in Aus he's pretty well known.

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

@@ArunSharma-ek9tl Thank you! Yes, some of my Kung Fu friends here in Sydney know Paul

[@khiljinagor8976]

What does Ip mean?? Like Ip Man and now I see the school has Ip written in the signboard.

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

Its a surname

[@Tinyraskal7126]

Where can I go to learn from this master in Hong Kong ?

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

Have a look through the comments, I gave his phone number to someone else who enquired about training

[@Tinyraskal7126]

@@MonkeyStealsPeach is master have a online course ?

[@resonance10]

@@Tinyraskal7126 Look up 'MyChowGar'. They're a Hungarian branch of this school who have fantastic online courses. Very in depth and the training is laid out very well for serious progression.

[@Djent7779]

Shua jao 🎉

[@Djent7779]

Go ju Ryu 🎉

[@ChristianCBE]

Dumb circus tricks - like how to hide wearing a sports cup under extra big baggy shorts. LOL some people are just born to be fooled.

[@jockojockoson9995]

I guarantee that this old man would smoke you into next week.

[@guido3771]

The Kung Fu we see here isn't good. The young guy moves like a robot. And then the ridiculous groin kicks.

[@s.wilson5675]

'Robot' moves in the early stages show a precise move or stance. The presentation will evolve as the student progresses and he develops his Gen power: Cho Gen (rough power); Num Gen (inner power), and Gen Gen (shock power). Reading this is no substitute for feeling this, but I hope this helps you understand.

[@mgunfighter]

it'd be cool if you can do a cross-over with @adamchankungfu in the future

[@НиколайБакарди]

Thank u very much 4 this one, definitely one ofhe most interesting style there. And music is great too)

[@KungFit]

Glad you liked it! I actually spent a long time picking the right music 😅

[@outerlast]

is there hakka style white crane too?

[@MonkeyStealsPeach]

Not that I know of

[@outerlast]

@@MonkeyStealsPeach oh thank you for the answer.