Mono-Green Control vs Evelyn vs Greven vs. Zedruu | Commander Clash S12E16

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[@rosavanopheusden5211]

in this game, until the Haunting Voyage cast (I gave up lol), the following cards would have produced for Tomer: a turn 2 Deep Gnome Terramancer: 3 lands a turn 2 Archivist of Oghma: 11 cards a turn 3 Smuggler's Share: 12 cards, 3 treasures a turn 5 Aerial Extortionist: 10 cards, not counting its exile ability

[@Belena711]

Thanks for doing the leg work and sharing!

[@SrPacoTaco]

Editor needs a raise lol. Great game otherwise. Good to see that no one got knocked out 1/3 of the way through haha

[@ceroluthor]

Editor is Tomer lol

[@maxwaldor5132]

@@ceroluthor did he stutter?

[@scarecr0w630]

​@@ceroluthor I thought it was Nuttuk? or Nuktuk? something like that

[@ceroluthor]

@@scarecr0w630 i thought I remember hearing it was Tomer, hmmmm

[@ms.sysbit5511]

@@ceroluthor it used to be Tomer years ago. They have hired an editor since season 5 or 6. Niutuc is the current one. Tomer will edit the rare episode but that’s about it.

[@foggyparadigm4416]

Crim, I just want you to know that after you signed my Opposition Agent at CommandFest Richmond, I flashed it in in response to a Defense of the Heart trigger that same night. Really enjoyed the game we played! Thanks again for the awesome experience! ☺️👍

[@shadedcorner]

Tomer: waffling over having to discard cards because his reliquary tower was stolen Also tomer: has a brand in hand and instead chooses to curse Richard again Also also tomer: wheels his homeward path to the bottom of his library

[@shadedcorner]

I acknowledge you acknowledging the choice, buuuut, i respectfully disagree. Also the instant punish from Richard was gratifying

[@nathanmcduck2999]

Yeah, I was so baffled by that

[@joshbaker8767]

Lol I came to see if anyone else mentioned this. That turn had some interesting.... choices. >.>

[@JacoDeltaco]

it worst than that if he had play is homeward path crim would have had 1 less blocker so tomer would not have lose wayfaire

[@HTXVintageVibes]

😂 I was shaking my phone.

[@ccadet3298]

Poor Phil bringing the Voltron deck against 3 Control decks 😭 He basically spent the whole game casting the same 3 cards

[@kingfuzzy2]

3 combo* decks

[@benjaminedds9257]

Gotta stop playing scared Phil! Your hand is so fricking powerful and should never hold back when both blue decks are mostly tapped out.

[@elliotthunter7959]

Yes! He had a turn where he could have cast Jeskas Will for 15 mana while everyone else was tapped out! I was screaming.

[@ms.sysbit5511]

This game was epic! Loved the fun, unique ideas on display.

[@monkeygame7]

Crim with that oscar performance

[@PikachaoArt]

Nothing is funnier than crim calling the mono green deck "a hero!"

[@MartianKyo]

I am half way through he video, do I like it? I am afraid I don't have enough information to make the decision. :)

[@kingfuzzy2]

Great video multiple unique card interactions.

[@samdalfthegray4495]

It was really sweet when Phil was complimenting Tomer's deck tech for Zedruu, while also using that knowledge to try and kill him XD

[@sstankfish]

2:55 I always crack up when Phil comes in with a deep ominous phrase.

[@redmenace7853]

why did tomer punt when he destroyed the illusions of grandeur, he could have put them all on a clock if he would have casted fractured identity? that sounds like a major punt

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

No, because each illusion copy would ETB gain 20 life, so only the target of Identity (Crim) loses life there

[@mightyone3737]

Cannot believe Richard just full on counter-locked them, seemed a bit of a power level mismatch but was also lots of fun to see.

[@theonewhohasowotism4093]

Watching this now and looking at the green adventure dragon. Haha, green Counterspell! Would never happen...

[@chrisjones1473]

Excellent deck Richard. I loved it 🔥💯

[@RMGamer31O]

40:35 As someone who has resolved a scrambleverse in paper, it’s not that bad. The way I do it is I ask the table to hand me all the nonlands, roll a d4, and pass it to the respective player. If you actually try to do it the way it’s stated, yes, your other players will hate you, but the way I did it only takes like a minute or so at most. I also only do it once a game, so that probably helps.

[@SP-ik6cc]

Is there a particular reason the commander clashes are not played via spelltable in general or every once in a while?

[@Niuttuc]

MTGO is easier to follow at base and can easily edited for stuff like constant hand cams. It is also much easier to get different decks every week on mtgo, in paper it would require a huge collection for each player or proxying an entire deck every time, or less variety in the decks showcased. Spelltable also makes some card flat out not really usable, the Gontis and opposition agents and theft in general much harder. Is it better or worse than the missing cards on mtgo? Probably only a sidegrade on the card pool. There is the occasional paper game, but once a season at most when things line up for it.

[@warpgamer9055]

30:25 they're talking about mashle

[@shayneweyker]

If we get a green counter spell I bet it will only hit enchantments and non-creature artifacts. Or maybe black and/or blue spells. Probably will be an etb effect on a 3/4 cmc flash creature.

[@soludsnak]

They just dropped Green Slime which is pretty close actually.

[@RKGrizz]

Crim said he can kill Tomer if they save him for over an hour. Don't let people tell you politics aren't important.

[@davevandewark]

So excited to see crim back!!!!

[@joey0g152]

Phil punt punt punt jesus

[@ArmageddonAsh]

So glad that Crim is back!

[@mostlyholy6301]

Phil not killing both Tomer and Crim with Exsanguinate when he had the chance seems like a punt.

[@Ricardo-zo1ti]

It would be kinda playing for second, no way he could have beaten Richard on his own

[@BrewersKitchen]

@@Ricardo-zo1ti Yep, no use in going solo against Maze of Ith tron

[@gagevonwyl5133]

*checks video length. Y'all need more aggro 🤣

[@RyanEglitis]

What, no game 2?

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

Imagine running solemn simulacrum in mono green...

[@Optimator7]

CLASH ON

[@HTXVintageVibes]

Tomer blinded by his rage for snake ass crim making all the misplays. To be fair he would have totally screwed you over either way. That’s what he does.

[@zurran00]

Thats some dirty magic play from Crim as usual

[@MaxMckayful]

Arasta versus three extremely permanent-based decks. That's magic for ya sometimes, lol

[@davidtuffelli-rail2214]

I know not everybody shares this opinion, but games with an archenemy the whole time are boring

[@Bellachump]

Why no grab reliquary tower, the best card in magic the gathering

[@Lucat27]

Just throw Zedruu into all your decks when playing against Phil and Crim. You don't even need synergies.

[@gman8133]

Richard is really, really good at Magic. Thats my biggest takeaway from this one

[@JoshuaSanville]

"Muscle Mage" un-card when????

[@Msev99]

how tiring are these 3 1/2 hour games? like....guys c'mon.

[@hyperluke1034]

bring back color shifted weekkkkkk

[@RedBossTV]

Considering how aggro Greven is I’m surprised by how long this game lasted. With all do respect, Tomer, your Zedru deck is a drag. The game went on and on and no win con to close the mess.

[@kingfuzzy2]

Hilariously his wincon was in the bottom 4 cards

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

My deck is meant to steal my opponents win cons, which is a pretty common theme in Clash. Except most of them got exiled in Evelyn, people decided to all run Homeward Path for the first time in history, and Path was bugged too. And my combo finisher was literally at the bottom of my deck. And I was archenemy. So yeah, hard to close out the game given the circumstances.

[@firestormingfox4169]

I'm just here to say that gedruu's nose looks like a mouth in the preview image. And it was scarring; farewell.

[@lescobrandon8443]

Crim and Richard lost all respect. Teaming up to take out Tomer in such a blatantly disrespectful way was uncalled for. This could have been such a great game if you wasn't telling each other what you had in hand all the time. Instead, you showed your true colors of being a group of cowards. Poor form.

[@MakeVarahHappen]

Hear me out: you guys should do an inverse budget week. Every deck has a minimum number of TIX it needs to cost and it has to be something insane like 1,000 TIX. Hard mode: cheapest printings only.

[@Khazuki_]

I'm pretty sure at least one of them has built a "most expensive possible" kind of deck once

[@kingfuzzy2]

Richards deck is sick reminds me of my fever dreams about mono white discard.

[@JoshRudis]

On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" shenanigans abound! Will Tomer give away all his permanents or will Crim just take them by force? Tune in to find out!

[@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai]

Richard said at the beginning he couldn’t think of a good mono-green control commander. Yeva, Nature’s Hreald is perfect, I’m working on brewing her right now. Just turn your ETB creatures into instants so you don’t have to play them on your turn and can react to what your opponents are doing. Reclamation Sage becomes Naturalize, Gaea’s Herald becomes a counterspell against counterspells, you can flash in blockers, etc. Arasta’s decent because she gives you plenty of blockers, but Yeva gives you way more versatility with your plays.

[@ninshjok]

is a nice Idea I use nissa as a commader becouse is card advantage and an alternative wincon

[@NinjaPicnicers]

Lmao im in the process of Brewing this

[@goosel9347]

Been playing this for years, so fun. I use a combo kill for my deck so most of the game is slowly assembling the pieces while making sure that no one else’s board gets too out of hand.

[@hatithemoonseeker276]

Crim can we get a deck list with the cards that are missing? I really like Evelyn and I would like to see your take on her.

[@SethG27]

It’s on mox field I think

[@hatithemoonseeker276]

@@SethG27 Thank you

[@Monotonicity]

Tomer just casually dropping the Yiddish. Love it!

[@Ricardo-zo1ti]

Curse of Verbosity is broken, it's basically blue secret rendezvous lol

[@alecolson8360]

Crim with the mana drain mind games lol

[@RyanEglitis]

How did Tomer not Brand to avoid discarding there? He also could have just Agent of Treachery'd earlier.

[@SickOfItAll1988]

Yeah, exactly my thoughts - why didn't he use brand? 🤔

[@KellyUnekis]

I mean, green *does* have a time walk, so we're already halfway there.

[@RMGamer31O]

I forget, what’s green’s time walk?

[@gethan3189]

The Crim punts move from hilarious to difficult to watch on a game by game basis

[@MaxMckayful]

Well put ,haha. Feel the exact same

[@MagicMonkZA]

Phil could've Exsanguinated enough to kill Tomer and Crim, gaining so much life that Richard may not have been able to kill him. Chance lost

[@BrewersKitchen]

Yeah but there was no way to beat Richard without their help. He had so many Maze of Ith xD

[@jadeshort9248]

I'm only an hour into the episode, but I LOVE the energy coming from everyone on the crew this week - feels like everyone's just having a fun time with their jank decks! One of my favourite episodes in a while so far :)

[@jadeshort9248]

Finished the episode today, & WOW that was so good! Best episode in the season!

[@nicholasrolo886]

"Tomers commander doesn't have hooves...even though it's...a goat..." The way Phil said that just made me lol

[@Belena711]

I think it's really funny that Tomer likes Curse of Verbosity so much and hates Secret Rendezvous so much... REEEALLY similar. lol

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Curse of Verbosity gets my opponents to kill a target that isn't me. That's a big reason I like it! Also if I attack the person myself ibdrae a card and nobody else does ;)

[@Belena711]

@@MTGGoldfishCommander hey, thanks for the reply! ☺️ Yeah, Verbosity may be better... But I still think they're similar. 😆 Edit: forgot to mention that I'm totally pro-verbosity, and pro-rendezvous. 👍 I support your use, especially given the substitution you mentioned!

[@remembertobreathe66]

1:01:01 As a person who loves the Lonis/Daxos/Evelyn/Capt. N'ghathrod/Nassari style of steal decks, I still agree that Homeward Path style effects need to be printed more often. I will cry, but accept the turn of events.

[@alaraplatt8104]

i realized recently richard is quite salty : )

[@alexandrelima2766]

18:11 Crim with the top tier Mana drain bluff

[@shanonkallhoff2431]

You have no idea how big of a smile is on my face as a collector and fan of green since 1994 as the green control deck is being talked about. A few months ago I finally finished a mono-green-control cEDH home brew very different than your list and with twice the spice. ;) Questing Beast is a godly beast. Richard, I understand the smile.

[@ruudvanlaarhoven5776]

Do you have a list? I'm intrigued by the idea.

[@Ricardo-zo1ti]

I love Seth, but Crim actually knows how to fight against the Archenemy Tomer and it makes the game way more enjoyable

[@Ricardo-zo1ti]

Even if it takes more than 3 hours, always kill Tomer first bois

[@gfkxj123]

The fact tomer didn't fractured identity the illusions of grandeur makes me a sad boy.

[@josephhawkins7974]

That was a crazy game this week!!! Tons of shenanigans!!

[@marymccleary8757]

Turn 11 Statecraft + Fractured Identity to keep Tomer alive?

[@TheBluntSharpie]

Was really hoping Crim would be playing his Xander deck.

[@cthulhusol]

That was a beautiful lock by Richard. Life force painter.

[@Belena711]

I wish I could've double-liked! Thanks, Niuttuc!

[@Niuttuc]

And thank you!

[@benjiboy1337]

Green Counter Spell idea: GGG, Instant, "As you cast this spell, note the highest mana value among creatures you control. Counter target spell if its mana value is less than the noted mana value."

[@benjiboy1337]

Or "Spell Fight", GGG, Instant, "As an additional cost, sacrifice a creature. Counter target spell if its mana value is less than or equal to the sacrificed creature's power."

[@arplee4823]

It should be way more expensive and it should be a flash creature 2GGG 3/3 when spell beast enters the battlefield the creature with the highest power you control fights Target creature spell (if the spell being fought is less than or equal the mana value than the creature who is fighting Power shuffle that spell into their owners library.)

[@arplee4823]

I think fighting a spell should do something different than countering a spell.

[@Alakarin]

I Love extremely long Commander Clashes.

[@alexandrelima2766]

Phil : I don't know if I can help deal 4 damage to Tomer, also Phil : *Siting on ebondeath and Chandra's ignition*

[@ghostwithknife416]

Crim cracks me up, but as someone who loves Jund, his blasphemy against green will not stand. The Greenlings will be heard!!!

[@timbombadil4046]

Richard is completely correct about curses, especially that one. Luckily lead of casual play design (commander) is on record as really disliking those cards so we shouldn't see much design like that from commander products.

[@9807036]

So I’m only a half hour in but my idea for pure green countermagic would be flash creatures with keyword spell savagery or savage casting or whatever but it would essentially be if played when it’s not your turn: counter target spell with lower cmc/power/toughness and would let them print some pretty neat cards. Green has some decent stuff like heroic intervention to respond on their turn but not much to stop the stack.

[@ninshjok]

LOL I have a monogreen control I made just to play one and my wincon is huracain effects and glacial chasm XD but I use a lot of enchantment to draw cards and annoy value players Nice build Richard, show them the power of the brocoli!

[@skykur]

Sooo crim and I must have been conjoined twins separated at birth... 1) Doesnt need combos to win 2) is a grixis boi 3) hates green 4) loves chandras

[@jasooon86]

Tomer why not use Fractured Identity on the Greven the turn you destroyed his Whispersilk? Instead of playing two signets and use all gold tokens to cast Puca's Mischief :P Would have all but ensured victory on your coming turn if Phil had to use all his mana to re-cast Greven, instead you were exposed and if Phil had played his turn better would have killed you

[@ms.sysbit5511]

He needed Fractured Identity for his combo. The combo is Fractured Identity Nine Lives then in response to losing the game, cast Patrician’s Scorn so the three opponents lose first. Tomer just could not find his copy of Nine Lives; it was in the bottom 12 of his deck. Tomer wanted to win in that very specific, janky way.

[@jasooon86]

@@ms.sysbit5511 I understand and that would have been cool. But that line of play was incredibly greedy/risky given Phil's boardstate

[@Dementia55372]

Because Tomer cannot help himself

[@edissoncajilima7396]

Would love to see crims paper list with the missing cards

[@scarecr0w630]

2:47:40 crim: what ya got? tomer with a million cards in hand and sea gate: nothing here idk what to do

[@KingRarecrazy]

This game is like a game of telephone where nobody communicates properly immediately

[@PalPlays]

Can we get some jank themes?

[@xelaranger3880]

This right here is why you always run a spell or two that cant be countered. What a wild game 😂!

[@jacebeleren9290]

Where does one go to submit viewer decks? I've got an esper shenanigans list

[@jimmyjoema6675]

Richard do something with your hair man lol love you guys.

[@froggystrap1232]

loved this episode and tomer hope you have fun this weekend !

[@arturoesquivel6625]

So where do we find Crim’s actual Evelyn list?

[@kjellegilhustad2095]

Tomer could have cast the agent and stole the Maze?

[@justcalvin8855]

Maze of ith tron!!!!!!!!!!

[@Lucat27]

Crim you lyer I see that opposition agent

[@scarecr0w630]

Phil is that a Pinky behind you?

[@Slugby1138]

I don't have mana drain!

[@davidhansen5067]

Ah yes, another game in which Crim helps the table almost as much by running a responsible amount of interaction as he hurts it by the specter of Opposition Agent...

[@seoreh3138]

Best episode

[@kingfuzzy2]

Greven and zedruu 😋

[@ceroluthor]

Tomer I'm disgusted with you, you could've played Brand and gotten control of your reliquary tower back and not have to discard down to hand size lol

[@DimbyHero]

"Mono-Green Control" has been my team's 2HG team name for our pre-release events. I guess we need to find something *more* ridiculous now. XD Richard nonsense is my favorite nonsense.

[@blahblah14]

Hrm, wasn't fractured Identity + patrician's scorn on the Illusions of Grandeur basically lethal for most of the table? Could've killed 2 of them with that.

[@NoirJester5320]

I would never play a Mono green deck because I’m not a monster, but I would choose Kogla for Mono Green control, personally. Kogla is also a nice body for the green card draw.

[@lokidragon8725]

TBF my mono green control deck run just as evil... My commander was Kogla turning opponents stuff into artifacts and blowing them up.

[@MhailAzure1]

"Counter target spell if it's mana value is less than or equal to the power of target creature you control. Then deal damage to equal to the targeted spell's mana value plus 2 to that creature." The "plus 2" is an attempt to balance this busted green card