Montreal's Exciting New Express Bike Network (Le REV)

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Oh The Urbanity!

Oh The Urbanity!

3 жыл бұрын

Montreal's Réseau Express Vélo (REV), or Express Bike Network, is an ambitious project underway to build or upgrade 184km of bike lanes to create a network of wide and direct bike routes. In this video we feature Axis 1 of the REV, on St-Denis / Berri / Lajeunesse, which goes from Ahuntsic to the Plateau (and then to Old Montreal).
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@Brackcycle
@Brackcycle 3 жыл бұрын
So exciting to see a northern, snowy city investing seriously in year round cycle infrastructure. Looking forward to a visit when we get on top of Covid.
@reality_bites7887
@reality_bites7887 3 жыл бұрын
its the oulu factor
@casey98
@casey98 2 жыл бұрын
so you are excited seeing a city waste tax payers $ for infrastructure that is hardly used during the winter season?? because ... ITS WINTER and less than 0.01% of people bike in winter ! yet their are bike lanes everywhere and cost $$$$$ to clear in winter for the few "heroes" that bike in winter.
@juanp06
@juanp06 2 жыл бұрын
@@reality_bites7887 @Casey you are partially correct and I get your point. But the problem is much bigger. The reason why only a "few heroes" bike in winter is the lack of safe bike lanes during the season. Is almost impossible to bike safely in winter due to the lack of infrastructure. This is what this new infrastructure is looking to fix. But unfortunately it won't for now, because these new infrastructures can barely be used during winter due to the snow the city piles up when cleaning the streets. They don't actually clean the bike lanes 😅... Conclusion, this is a good idea but it wasn't well executed. At least not for now. But the idea/plan as a whole shouldn't be condemned. If we'll executed it will be great for the city.
@praisethesun7255
@praisethesun7255 2 жыл бұрын
@@casey98 it costs basically nothing compared to the infrastructure maintenance for a road. Especially for such a large city. In fact it’s probably saving the city money to do it
@rahulingle8806
@rahulingle8806 2 жыл бұрын
Kudos
@Shifter_Cycling
@Shifter_Cycling 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, looks like a great addition to an already great bike city. Can’t wait to visit again! You mentioned the addition of light rail - do these new bike lanes connect to the new transit infrastructure as well?
@OhTheUrbanity
@OhTheUrbanity 3 жыл бұрын
Not as much in the first stage of the REV, but later stages are very much planned to target the suburban job centres where they're building the new transit, so there's a lot of potential for sure!
@iansteelmatheson
@iansteelmatheson 2 жыл бұрын
haha yeah just so you know... the REM light rail is very controversial. I'm not super well informed about it, but basically it's been pushed through against the wishes of quite a few residents and experts they consulted with. I cannot say whether I think it'll work out in the end or not, but I don't see why more public transit would be bad, at least in theory.
@dontgetlost4078
@dontgetlost4078 2 жыл бұрын
@@iansteelmatheson The REM2L (an acronym of REM de L'Est) is by far the most controversial one because, most notably, it will feature an elevated section on top of René-Levesque, becoming an eyesore in downdown judging by how the elevated sections on the original REM were built. CDPQ-Infra promises the ones in REM2L will be prettier, but we should take it with a grain of salt. Btw, the Blue Line is still crying.
@weatheranddarkness
@weatheranddarkness 2 жыл бұрын
The “eyesore” factor is the very poorest argument concievable against a raised light rail. Raised rail routes are truly amazing and the best way possible to get to know a city by transit. They are also very strong visual features of all the cities they occur in. Chicago and NY are by far the ugliest but they are truly iconic elements of those cities. Every city in asia of note has one and they are the default means of getting around.
@weatheranddarkness
@weatheranddarkness 2 жыл бұрын
The blue line has been crying since the mid 90s when they shortened the trains and cut the schedule. Much like they did with the “AMT” trains to the west. Extending the line won’t do much good unless they commit to running enough trains on it to make it worth taking
@AN-zw7bb
@AN-zw7bb 3 жыл бұрын
I tried it for the first time on Thursday. It was so comfortable to bike on. It's a great project from the city's side despite all the controversy with some businesses.
@guldukat2453
@guldukat2453 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! Love the REV - it’s actually making St. Denis a pleasant street to walk on now, as the REV and concrete separations also act as traffic calming measures. Motorists are now noticeably more careful when they drive on St. Denis, vs the 6 lane highway that it used to be. As for some of the businesses that oppose the REV - aka taking away “their” parking lane, they also appear to be the same people opposing the COVID public health measures and vaccines, plus anything and everything that spells change. Go figure.
@Moor95
@Moor95 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting to note that 20 new businesses have opened so far on St Denis
@iansteelmatheson
@iansteelmatheson 2 жыл бұрын
@@Moor95 that might have something to do with many businesses closing due to the pandemic though.
@dannymongrain4788
@dannymongrain4788 3 жыл бұрын
I live right beside the REV at Beaubien street. It is a great system where I am teaching my daughters how to ride in the city. Full separation, wide tracks and explicit green/red lights are great for safety. I also think the northbound transition to be suboptimal at Castelneau street. Hopefully they will enhance it in the future, such as using a partial barrier and clear signage to redirect cyclist east while reassuring them they'll be back on the north direction in 100 meters.
@haikuboxer
@haikuboxer 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I used the Lajeunesse corridor all last summer (2020) and discovered the north shore of the island in the process. I wasn't the only one -- the Gouin blvd bike path was crowded all day every day. An often unacknowledged benefit to these new corridors is how they open up neighbourhoods and opportunities. A little side note, but I remember de Maisonneuve before the bike path, it was desolate. The bike path turned it into a viable downtown street.
@Phazon8058MS
@Phazon8058MS 2 жыл бұрын
Don't mind me, I'm just looking longingly from Winnipeg. Man I wish we had some of this stuff (rail transit, extensive safe bike paths, lots of walkable areas and middle density housing, etc).
@fearsomefawkes6724
@fearsomefawkes6724 3 жыл бұрын
Montreal has a lot of dual direction cycle paths. I would expect that as folks get used to the new style, people going the wrong way will become less of a problem. Plus, once they're summer busy it will be much harder for people to have the space to use them in the wrong direction.
@northamericanvanlines
@northamericanvanlines 3 жыл бұрын
won't be a problem once roads like maisonneuve get a second bike lane on the other side. dreams / goals
@stephaneblais4688
@stephaneblais4688 3 жыл бұрын
Merci. Super reportage ! Concise and good understanding of the issues. Bravo !
@OhTheUrbanity
@OhTheUrbanity 3 жыл бұрын
Si tu es le même Stéphane Blais qui a travaillé sur ce projet, c’est nous qui devrions te rémercier!
@waisinglee1509
@waisinglee1509 2 жыл бұрын
This is amazing! Montreal has really really progressed since I last lived there 30 years ago. Cycling down St. Denis to Sherbrooke from Bellechasse or Rosemont was a bit dangerous but still quite do-able. Heading back I would take St. Laurent from Ste. Catherine to Bellechasse. Generally, I don't like bike lanes but these wider bike lanes win me over because, as you said, it gives room to all sorts of users who are at different speeds.
@vita_travel888
@vita_travel888 3 жыл бұрын
Coloured bicycle asphalt should be a must.
@dannymongrain4788
@dannymongrain4788 3 жыл бұрын
Due to our winters, colored asphalt isn't much visible 4 months per year, and paint gets removed by abrasive used to remove ice in the winter.
@vita_travel888
@vita_travel888 3 жыл бұрын
@@dannymongrain4788 coloured asphalt ≠ painted asphalt. Proper snow removing must be in place for visibility and riders’ safety.
@alex2143
@alex2143 Жыл бұрын
@@dannymongrain4788 Dutch bike lanes are colored by mixing in iron oxide (rust) into the concrete. Dirt cheap and super effective.
@AdamBreard
@AdamBreard 3 жыл бұрын
I was very sceptical at first, but now I see this as a major success. I initially thought this would cause more harm than good to local businesses that had already been struggling on St-Denis street due to back to back infrastructure projects on the street. After riding the new bike path a few times, I’ve noticed that shops and restaurants are still able to utilize front patio space, and the impact on street parking has been minimal. The experience of riding up and down this lane feels very safe all the way. The lanes are large enough to pass slower riders or families. The lanes are protected by street parking and sidewalks, making them feel removed from the road. It definitely makes me ride further and and use them more often for commuting.
@EnteiFire4
@EnteiFire4 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I took a walk on St. Denis to see what kind of business would be hurt by the REV. Realistically? Not many... I saw: - Some big chains, like Stokes and Renaud-Bray. I'm not expecting people to drive up to St. Denis for those stores, since they can be found pretty much anywhere. - Lots of restaurants, cafes and bars. Most of them aren't particularly special, so I don't see why people would drive there unless they were invited there. - Lots of average shops, like computer repair stores that you could find in a shitty mall. The ones that might get the bigger hits are both theaters and some few very specialized stores. The other ones probably mostly have local customers that would walk there.
@ravingcyclist624
@ravingcyclist624 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations Montreal! Keep up the great effort!
@sangokudbz79
@sangokudbz79 2 жыл бұрын
I like the REV a lot. There is a few things they could improve as you said. On an Ebike, going Downtown from Laval it's still faster to use Henri-Julien and St-Urbain as the lights are either synced for cars or slow bikes as it was on Christophe-Colomb so I take a lot of red lights (felt like 30 red light.. kinda annoying at a certain point). But I'm very glad they build it! It's a breeze to pass other slower cyclists without going into the car lane
@DerWaschbar2
@DerWaschbar2 2 жыл бұрын
The great thing about this system is that it sets an example for how North American cities can improve cyclability and walkability in a substantial manner. That’s a great way re-purpose a 6-lane city road. It’s obvious that stroads and decades of car centric infrastructure can’t be undone in the near future. So the European walkable city model doesn’t make as much sense because the initial conditions are different. That’s why having “local” functioning system is so important to start trends.
@garymiller8287
@garymiller8287 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see Montreal again in the near future, my favorite city in North America
@twgood5882
@twgood5882 3 жыл бұрын
Great to see it.
@foxtrot2320
@foxtrot2320 3 жыл бұрын
I noticed the blue markings earlier this week when I rode to Montreal for the first time since I last was there in april, will have to check it out when I go back home at some point next week
@OhTheUrbanity
@OhTheUrbanity 3 жыл бұрын
For sure! We really enjoy biking on it, so much more car(e)free
@acchaladka
@acchaladka 3 жыл бұрын
Signage is a definite problem in Montreal... And it's engaging that they turned St Denis into the main route rather than turning all of a parallel but smaller Street like St Dominique into dedicated bike lanes.
@paxundpeace9970
@paxundpeace9970 3 жыл бұрын
Full concrete barriers wouldn't be beneficial. They cost quite a lot and any curb is dangerous for cylist to fall. In London UK you can see this problem with narrow two direction cycle-lanes that have curbs.
@alex2143
@alex2143 Жыл бұрын
I think the problem might be more that it's a narrow two direction cycle lane
@sylvainmichaud2262
@sylvainmichaud2262 2 жыл бұрын
I think Montreal cyclists should thank the gods for having benefited the most of very bad circumstances (COVID-19). In my opinion, we've seen progress that would have needed more than a decade otherwise. Having the right elected mayor while there was a boom in demand for cycling infrastructure and having much less cars on the road due to work interruptions and restrictions, especially downtown, were part of a perfect scenario to improve cycling infrastructures. Let's pray the gods that the current election (Nov. 7 2021) won't jeopardize the progress made so far.
@reecemartin4354
@reecemartin4354 3 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@wl03bu
@wl03bu 3 жыл бұрын
I got dose #2 and am ready for domestic travel. This looks like lots of fun!
@nettoyageadriance
@nettoyageadriance 2 жыл бұрын
We live right on the REV St-Antoine and it's changed out life!
@MaximGarantRousseau
@MaximGarantRousseau 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@damienpilon9785
@damienpilon9785 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful! I'll have to try this one! They should move the route verte there imo, the current route accross the island is too circuitous and less interesting, and it would give better access to the businesses along st-denis!
@OhTheUrbanity
@OhTheUrbanity 3 жыл бұрын
The existing Route Verte corridor there is almost a danger because of how often a non-local would have to stop and look at their phone to make sure they're still going in the right direction! Maybe we'll do a comparison video.
@abrahamsalamah5773
@abrahamsalamah5773 2 жыл бұрын
Good idea but the bike fixing stations are often vandilized which fucking sucks. Imagine having to bike back from oka with loose handlebars only to find a station with all of it's tools cut off -_-
@robsteffler2249
@robsteffler2249 3 жыл бұрын
Good information if I ever buy a bike
@jeanschyso
@jeanschyso Жыл бұрын
If they can do a whole island east-west "bicycle highway" off of that, we'll be set for an actually good system that can be developped. I am looking forward to the REV development in the next few years.
@dave_5071
@dave_5071 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the videos you do. The traffic light syncing on St-Dénis is terrible. I averaged almost all reds both when biking and when driving northwards. The light syncing on de Maisonneuve for bikes is also not great. I am against concrete separation because it makes for poor street cleaning in addition to difficult snow removal and sharp and dangerous objects accumulate.
@matiasmoanaguerrero8095
@matiasmoanaguerrero8095 3 жыл бұрын
This project is great but I wonder the use of doing it on a major road, you still ride alongside fast cars and have traffic light every intersection even though they are not necessary for bikes. How about transforming one or two of the samller one way roads by the side into the REV, like Drolet ?
@alex2143
@alex2143 Жыл бұрын
This sounds a lot like how Amsterdam does it, with hoofdnets for driving, cycling and walking. Great idea!
@definitelynotacrab7651
@definitelynotacrab7651 Жыл бұрын
A great improvement
@4GregF
@4GregF 2 жыл бұрын
This looks amazing. Unfortunately, it's no where near where I live, just north of Toronto. No evidence of cycling infrastructure at all!
@MrCyclist
@MrCyclist 2 жыл бұрын
I am an ex-Montrealer living in Toronto (TO). I do most of my biking north of TO as the towns have dedicated bike lanes, smoother roads, less traffic lights and less traffic. Also, less unplowed snow in Winter for safety and the ability to bike all year. I will drive 4 kms from home to avoid the winter slush in TO to Maple, Richmond Hill and Thornhill to ride my road bike.
@balaprince87
@balaprince87 2 жыл бұрын
This video nudges me to shift from Toronto to Montreal
@Arjay404
@Arjay404 2 жыл бұрын
Wow this is really impressive with only a few issues that I noticed or could think of. First I think changing the Berri Street section to look more similar to the previous section would help to make it apparent that that's where you are supposed to go after the first two sections. It's honestly not entirely obvious that it's even a bikelane once you get to that part unless there happen to be bikers in that section when you get to it. I really think concrete separation would really make this great, if their concern is for snow removal then my solution is that once those roads need major works, for them to elevate the whole bicycle lane to the level of the sidewalk The indication for the direction splitoff needs to be much much better than that tiny sign. I looked for it when you zoomed in and I totally missed it until you highlighted it, this is where some paint would be useful, which is another thing that would help this be great. Much of the bikepath is so similar to the car lanes that if someone wasn't paying attention I could easily see them end up in the bikelane. But this is a huge step in the right direction. Shows that at least they are taking it seriously even if they are making small mistakes.
@thegrowl2210
@thegrowl2210 2 жыл бұрын
A major reason for concrete kerbs is it’s much more difficult for following city leaders to remove the infrastructure, meaning it’s safer for longer.
@PeterSdrolias
@PeterSdrolias 2 жыл бұрын
I hope that Winnipeg city planners are paying attention.
@Montrealcyclingvideos-vf3cb
@Montrealcyclingvideos-vf3cb Жыл бұрын
Nice
@johnwang9914
@johnwang9914 3 жыл бұрын
I would like to see integration with PRT systems. PRT speeds approximates that of bicycles and can easily slow down to keep clearances, collision avoidance with bicycles and pedestrians are at speeds that are much easier to handle than say for autonomous vehicles and PRT's would provide a reason to move parking to structures at the periphery of the area from which they can take the PRT. Parking is always going to be difficult in the inner city and does discourage some customers even when available but moving them to parkade structures with the option of PRT transit would actually open up access to the businesses in the area.
@coastaku1954
@coastaku1954 3 жыл бұрын
You should do a video on Mississauga's new Cycle paths they are building on the side of their arterials
@sm3675
@sm3675 Жыл бұрын
I'm also from Mississauga. What arterial roads are you referring about?
@coastaku1954
@coastaku1954 Жыл бұрын
@@sm3675 Winston Churchill, Derry, Eglinton, Erin Mills, Britannia, while they aren't complete or consistent, they were there and I used the Winston Churchill one in conjunction with my Subdivision's path system to cycle to and from my work at Erin Mills Town Centre when I was feeling up to it
@Knightmessenger
@Knightmessenger 2 жыл бұрын
Detroit has also installed similar streetscape improvements in certain areas. I hope it can continue. EDIT: an example of one can be found at the 3:19 mark in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6OnYmljg5hkoLc
@cmmartti
@cmmartti 2 жыл бұрын
Wow that's fantastic! They really thought of everything there, even at intersections. I really like how they put the bus stops (shelters and benches) on the median between the bike and car lanes. I wish my city would do that-they put in a bunch of bike lanes, but it's just paint and they nearly always disappear at intersections.
@scottalbrecht3578
@scottalbrecht3578 2 жыл бұрын
5:08 A civil engineer told me that no paint or colouring on pavement can provide the same level of traction to tires, so while paint makes wayfinding easier, it would make the surface more slippery. Perhaps there could be painted lines on the sides of the lanes to show the route and alert motorists to the presence of bikes.
@iansteelmatheson
@iansteelmatheson 2 жыл бұрын
yeah but we're talking about bikes, which are much lighter than cars and thus the level of grip is not as important. in addition, most places don't paint bike lanes (especially not with the paint that is used to make lines, which is quite slippery). I lived in Edinburgh for 5 years (where the tarmac on bike lanes is coloured red), riding rickshaws and cycling across the city to my other job, so I do have rather a lot of experience on it in the wet and there was *no noticeable difference whatsoever* in grip level. there are also a few green-painted bike boxes in Montreal (in the McGill ghetto, for instance) and the paint they have used there is very rough, though perhaps the grip isn't quite as good as tarmac. so yeah, it's theoretically possible that it's got slightly less grip if you're in a car, but there isn't a significant difference on a bike, which is what this is all for anyways.
@grandsome1
@grandsome1 2 жыл бұрын
@@iansteelmatheson Wouldn't a bike be more affect by a lack of grip than a car because they're lighter?
@Aliceintraining
@Aliceintraining 2 жыл бұрын
its not paint, there are colored pavement options which have the same traction as normal roads. however sense its already built, its stuck for a while in its current color.
@tutubebitube5120
@tutubebitube5120 3 жыл бұрын
stop stalking that girl : D
@peterbroedelmann1247
@peterbroedelmann1247 3 жыл бұрын
Why does the cycle path not just go straight up the bridge/incline at 2:55? There does not seem to be any intersection there, so why the unneccessary swerve?
@OhTheUrbanity
@OhTheUrbanity 3 жыл бұрын
It's not visible in our clip, but there is actually a multi-purpose path to our right there. Originally it was just that path and the lanes from the bridge swerving to connect to each other, and then the direction we came from was added later. Here's what the area looks like: www.google.com/maps/@45.5563484,-73.6720704,3a,75y,342.47h,75.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sEMguaCWteIrSlfj_YpS5kg!2e0!5s20201201T000000!7i16384!8i8192
@peterbroedelmann1247
@peterbroedelmann1247 3 жыл бұрын
@@OhTheUrbanity Still, the curve could not have been straightened out? Like this, everybody coming down the bridge and going up has to lose some speed, and go around it. This would never fly for cars, when will we hold cycling infrastructure to the same standard?
@OhTheUrbanity
@OhTheUrbanity 3 жыл бұрын
@@peterbroedelmann1247 Agreed, if that was intentional for speed purposes it doesn't make much sense. There's no great reason to want to slow down cyclists there, especially between the two parts fully dedicated to bikes.
@veloaa-montreal6924
@veloaa-montreal6924 3 жыл бұрын
I hate that curve with a burning passion.Worst design ever
@PSNDonutDude
@PSNDonutDude 3 жыл бұрын
Curious what you both do for work. My partner and I have debated moving to Montreal, because we just love the city but we don't know any French (would be willing to learn), so we're not sure if there's too many English only jobs
@OhTheUrbanity
@OhTheUrbanity 3 жыл бұрын
One of us already had a freelance job upon arriving in Montreal and the other applied to a plethora of jobs but didn't have much luck (even with a pretty good level of French ability). It could have been the shortage of jobs in the specific field and probably mixed with us not knowing many people in Montreal. There definitely are English-only jobs that exist though. Anyways, we've since moved to Ottawa because we had more luck with getting a job there. I'd definitely recommend having something lined up before arriving or being quick to make connections when you arrive.
@goldenretriever6261
@goldenretriever6261 2 жыл бұрын
Even if you learn French they'll discriminate against you for not being French.
@PSNDonutDude
@PSNDonutDude 2 жыл бұрын
@@goldenretriever6261 c'est la vie. I don't mind being discriminated against, I have enough privilege in my life already, so it might be good for humility.
@Damorann
@Damorann 2 жыл бұрын
@@goldenretriever6261 Please, don't give us that load. Discrimination happens across all groups, regardless of what language you speak. Also, there are tons of people here who are more than happy to welcome other people and help them learn our language. This BS has to stop. Montreal is a wonderful place of inclusion and French speakers are NOT bigoted.
@Damorann
@Damorann 2 жыл бұрын
@@PSNDonutDude Frankly, if you wish to come live here and are willing to learn the language (and many people will help you with that), you'll be welcome and it'll go well ! There's always going to be bigots on both sides (some people here staunchly refuse to learn French for some reason, and some French people don't want to learn English, but it's not the majority in Montreal), but you can easily find good people here. :)
@The-Dutch-Way
@The-Dutch-Way 2 жыл бұрын
What a nice city to cycle. The Montreal tour guide in this video is also very enthusiastic about his city: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKekhYWcoJ6qibM
2 жыл бұрын
3 examples how it could be more (with our dog Camée and in 4K): 1. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZOad36ViNqVjsk&t , 2. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGe2gWqYbbl0pZY , 3. long version: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZa0ZJKtn96UZpo&t
@johnpauldebiase3237
@johnpauldebiase3237 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice Montreal putting PEOPLE first not the voiture
@charlienyiti5880
@charlienyiti5880 2 жыл бұрын
Toronto is so backwards compared to Montreal these days
@LMvdB02
@LMvdB02 2 жыл бұрын
May I ask why you wear a helmet? The infrastructure looks quite decent, is it still that dangerous?
@OhTheUrbanity
@OhTheUrbanity 2 жыл бұрын
Some of the infrastructure is very good but depending on where you're going it can be inconsistent. With more consistent infrastructure we'd probably be less concerned about wearing helmets. With that said, it's just a habit by now and we don't find them particularly annoying.
@weatheranddarkness
@weatheranddarkness 2 жыл бұрын
Network implies a level of connection between routes that just is not there. I ain’t mad except at the profoundly poor planning for how a route may actually be used by a human being
@kb_100
@kb_100 2 жыл бұрын
The transition from St Denis to Lajeunesse is terribly indicated. Montreal is generally terrible at signs. Whether for streets or any other purpose. The tendency is always towards subtlety rather than utility
@igaluitchannel6644
@igaluitchannel6644 Жыл бұрын
Cyclists are MUCH WORSE than motorists - and I don't like motorists.
@4x4xM
@4x4xM 2 жыл бұрын
Good content but omg slow down! too many words/ideas per minute.
@OhTheUrbanity
@OhTheUrbanity 2 жыл бұрын
We will keep that in mind. We worry about wasting people's time.
@dnb5661
@dnb5661 3 жыл бұрын
I hate to be rude or annoying, but I think that this is just a gimmick that doesn't benefit anyone except the cyclist minority. Where I live, nobody is asking for this, and most cyclists just use the sidewalk. If people can't afford a car, they just use transit busses (which have bike racks) or walk. There are people at my school that ride their bikes to get there, and I never hear them complaining about no bike lanes. Also, who would ride a bike in the winter? Nobody I have seen.
@OhTheUrbanity
@OhTheUrbanity 3 жыл бұрын
Sidewalks aren't good for cycling because there are pedestrians there, it's often a bumpy ride (they're not made to be smooth), and riding on sidewalks is illegal. We lived near the REV on St-Denis and saw lots of cyclists in the winter. It wasn't the same as in the summer, but it was hardly deserted. When you think about it, if people can handle going outside in winter to walk, skate, or ski, what's so crazy about winter cycling? I would also add that biking is quite prevalent in Montreal, if people aren't biking daily to work or for errands, many at least get out on their bike on the weekends, so there's quite a market for safe, separated, connected bike lanes there.
@mariadebake5483
@mariadebake5483 2 жыл бұрын
You should see bike infrastructure in the Netherlands. And we definitly cycle in all circumstances, also in winter.
@OhTheUrbanity
@OhTheUrbanity 2 жыл бұрын
@@mariadebake5483 The Netherlands has a much milder winter than Canada so it's not the best comparison. Amsterdam gets on average 22 cm of snow per year, compared to Montreal's 226 cm (from Wikipedia). However, there are some cities in Finland with comparable climates to Canada that really succeed at winter cycling.
@mariadebake5483
@mariadebake5483 2 жыл бұрын
@@OhTheUrbanity Absolutely true! I just pointed it out, there are so many negative opinions about cycling here (in these comments). Also, it rains a lot here and there's always a strong wind
@Aliceintraining
@Aliceintraining 2 жыл бұрын
people dont want to ride in the winter in citys where the streets are icy and poorly cleared, with drivers who drive like ass and not having a safe spot to do the riding from. also keep in mind that bike lanes would allow other urban personal mobility options such as mobility chairs, escooters, push scooters. longboards and rollerbladers. who all can move at a speed far greater then walking but often benefit from smoother pavement. this allows these options to be far more accessable and useful and can often allow people to expand the power of mass transit by having more zones they can move around easily and feed into and out of those mass transit systems. all because they have safe and practical paths that helps move people. not cars. at the end of the day. a 6 lane "strode" can move maybe 2k people per hour while being extremely unsafe. a 2 lane street with parking and bike lanes can move 10k people an hour far more safely. maybe you should learn how these things work first.
@casey98
@casey98 3 жыл бұрын
ya exciting to waste tax $$$ on paths that are hardly used for 7-8 months out the year, projects that ruined business because parking is super limited and travel is hard because bike lanes took up all the space. Down town mtl and other trendy areas are now reserved for local hipsters gentrifying the entire place.
@Chris-qr8ng
@Chris-qr8ng 3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU someone here with a brain! And now it slows down traffic considerably during rush hours on st denis street.
@glorytojager4186
@glorytojager4186 3 жыл бұрын
bikes contribute to society too, they may be less easy to notice but they're here, they too go to work, get money and pay taxes. if there is less space for car and more for bikes, people will use bikes instead of cars
@matiasmoanaguerrero8095
@matiasmoanaguerrero8095 3 жыл бұрын
what about parking lots which spend their entire life almost empty ? Also think about the huge amount of space used by 10 parked cars, which transport 1 person most of the time ? Parking is not what makes small business thrive. Accessibility is more efficient when it's not just about cars
@casey98
@casey98 3 жыл бұрын
@@matiasmoanaguerrero8095 You think small businesses do not need parking ? Hahahah. A very minute fraction of MTL bikes or walks everywhere because it isn't possible. Old people, families, disabled, etc... rely on vehicles to get them to point A to B within a reasonable time. The public transportation system isn even close to being efficient to accommodate 3 million people ! Your utopia doesn't exist. The working class depend on cars and the roads, they also account for the majority of taxes. Period. The irony is your " green" bike paths create more pollution by creating more time to get to point A to B and more idle vehicles. So many are seldomly used. I drive to work from Laval, bus would take 2 hrs each way , at least. There are pike paths along one major artery I use, I can count on one hand how many times I've seen it used !!! But you can go to bed thinking you are virtuous because you ride a bike.
@matiasmoanaguerrero8095
@matiasmoanaguerrero8095 3 жыл бұрын
@@casey98 I ride a bike because I want to, you can drive if you want. But the easiest it is to ride a bike or take public transport, the less people will be forced to drive a car, and the less car there will be for you on the road. Don’t you get stuck in traffic sometimes ? Imagine if buses didn’t have to compete with parked cars for space, how much faster it would be. My « utopia » is just good public transport and bike and pedestrian infrastructure where it’s needed. In some parts of the Plateau almost 30% of the people commute by bike, and a bike takes a LOT less space than a car. Why not accomodate these people ? Some would ride a bike as well id it was easier. Also you living in Laval and coming to Montreal to work everyday in your car is the source of the traffic problem.
@AllRequired
@AllRequired 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing but another headache for pedestrians.
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