Yamaha XJR 1300:- Clutch Master Cylinder Restoration !

[@bannedbrother]

The more we sell them the more rich we make the banks, simple as...I prefer to ride what I have and do all maintenance myself like many others do. Greener is holding on to what you have imo. My car is 20 years old and my bike is 37!

[@Moonfleet41]

Well said!

[@thewanderin_rider]

Ditto

[@americanotakuinc.9637]

Ditto.

[@myz06rocks]

I’ve always used JIS drivers or bits and thankfully they’ve always worked to prevent mulching these delicate type of screws. They’re not always the easiest to get as they don’t come in any standard tool kits but they are available if you’re motivated to get them.

[@Moonfleet41]

I think regardless of whether you use those or regular PH, worn screwdrivers will always do more damage and they wear quickly, so also something to consider.

[@andysgsi]

I'm on the side of keeping older bikes nowadays. I've inherited a 1998 r1100 boxer and it's the best bike I've owned. I know her backwards and upside down and I feel connected to her more than any other bike. I've serviced her for years and even did the clutch (which is about the biggest job you can do on those old BMW's) and I'd never give her up. Still getting in excess of 40mpg with over 65000 miles and there's no sign at all of her letting up.

[@Moonfleet41]

Wonderful Andy, what a glorious story and exactly the mentality we should all have mate.

[@giuseppevds2302]

Greener 100% repair and maintain what you have 💪

[@gcrockford8191]

Defo depends on your circumstances, but if you look after your bike and maintain it I can't see a reason to keep replacing it every 18 months or so. I have a 2007 Triumph America (Carb) so 17 years old. I have it serviced every year without fail and it is still going well. This year it started for the first time by playing up, ignition stuff, replacing Ignition coils, ICU, couple of other things some because of their age. It came to about £500 in spares and I (for the first time) got brave and did some of the work my self. It was well worth it and the expense as it is working and riding better than it has for some time. Back to enjoying it again, makes me wonder why I put it off, I thought it was time for it to go. NOT NOW! Your vids have helped me over the years, so many thanks.

[@Moonfleet41]

Oh what a wonderful story, thank you for sharing! So glad to hear you're still enjoying the America, it's the same engine that I've got in my Scrambler, so it's good to know it will probably outlast me!

[@herbiesgarage681]

I'm surprised that you don't have a million subs, your channel is visually appealing and informative. Everything is good from the lighting to camera angle to presentation, I'm inspired! I realize the amount of work that goes into everything that you do and I'm sure very many appreciate you for it. Great channel, keep up the great work and I hope that you don't mind if I use a few of your tips. Thanks

[@Moonfleet41]

Wow, thank you Herbie, that is so kind of you, but you know how it is, motorcycles are a minority on the road, I think statistically in the UK we're something like 1 bike to every 100 cars, so if it could be said that 1 sub on a bike channel is like 100 subs on a car channel, I'm happy with that... I'm sure you know yourself how rare it is to find another You Tube motorcycle creator with a big channel... we're a small happy band aye mate?

[@herbiesgarage681]

@@Moonfleet41 You definitely have a lot to be proud of with the number of subscribers you are at now, and yes I know what you mean. It seems as though the interest here in the states has decreased for motorcycles, not exactly sure why, but there is still plenty of them out there. Thanks for the comment, I appreciate a fellow creator and motorcycle enthusiast! I’ll be watching more of your channel, take care my friend!

[@enduromotorradtouren]

As you say, Del: There is an abundance of good old bikes around for little money. That need inspection and a thorough lookover. If you can do that by yourself, you're into a shopping spree ;-) Your series will come very useful for the new owners. Günter/Nürnberg

[@Moonfleet41]

So true Günter, we hope the videos can help people out if and when they might need it! Have a great week and ride safe!

[@DiddyJaffa]

Suggest using JIS screwdriver not a pozi No 2 or Philips 😊

[@heywhotsgoinon8286]

I like old bikes anyway, so its easy choice for me. I can see where everything is and i dont need to be a computer expert.

[@Moonfleet41]

There is that, mechanics have turned in to technicians and I guess in the future they'll just be IT nerds lol

[@howder1951]

I have found that nothing is like a new bike, and if you do proper maintenance and care, that new feeling will last a very long time. Once you've had a bike for a long time it will start becoming a cool old bike,and you won't feel like parting with it.

[@MrG00ny65]

I`m like that with my 9 yr old CB1000R. Can`t imagine opening the garage door and not seeing it there.

[@Moonfleet41]

You touch on a great point there, aside from the green issue, or the economics of it all, but we nust never forget the sheer pride of ownership and something you feel bonded with, which is so important as you say!

[@springy-2112]

Having always had 20 year old bikes I've been happy to keep them alive. Now i have a 5 year old bike it feels brand new! But i guess it's old to some. 👍✌️❤️

[@Moonfleet41]

Think it certainly is to the modern generation mate, just check out the amount of 2yr old bikes in dealerships with 1,000 miles on, makes you wonder what's motivating it aye?

[@allenhuling598]

Great detail in film and editing of this clutch rebuild....as always, thanks! Bought that T7 new, 4 years ago but have no intention of changing it for any other....just want to maintain it well and put LOADS more miles on it!!

[@Moonfleet41]

HI Allen, thank you so much for your kind words, a lot goes in to post-production and good to hear you have such a wonderful bike that you can keep and look after!

[@japowers99ify]

As someone who drives all old vehicles, and has brought a bike back to life recently, I believe in keeping the old ones alive.

[@Moonfleet41]

Tottaly agree mate!

[@markwitham6784]

Well i recon, ill keep my 3 bikes, follow your tuition,and save myself some money..😊 Your the cheapest, and the best bike mechanic ive used.. Love the videos mate, Ive learnt so much from ya over the years. Cheers from Downunder. Mark

[@Moonfleet41]

Thanks Mark, really appreciate the credit and the kind faith!

[@kenlizzio7096]

There are some classics out there that are 30+ years old. To see them restored or just in original condition is great. Some of the modern bikes don’t have the character of the old uns.

[@Moonfleet41]

I completely agree.

[@jerrys2346]

My primary bike is an old Honda I've owned since 1986. It ain't goin' anywhere without me.

[@Moonfleet41]

Wow, that's some ownership... many happy miles ahead mate!

[@markbranton1240]

Hi Del. Another great video. I don't know if you have addressed this topic in the past, but that sight glass looks like mine did after a time and needed to be replaced. It may be helpful to show that to some of the folks out here. Just an idea. Thanks again for your great tutorials

[@Moonfleet41]

Hi Mark, I usually roll with them unless they're leaking or completely opaque, if I can still see the level through it, then I'll put that job to the back burner, but thanks for the input!

[@rickrogers2649]

Everyone needs to be careful and methodical (like Del is) when messing with hydraulic fluid. I learned early on what a great paint remover it is. ☹ Greener to preserve the vintage iron I believe. You rarely hear about the environmental harm in manufacturing something "green " like electric vehicles, for example. Thanks and cheers Del and Penny. ❤👍👍

[@Moonfleet41]

You're darn right Rick, the carbon footprint of making an EV car is roughly the same as a diesel truck that's already 10yrs old... there's no logic to the claimed benefits, it just constantly feels like we're being sold a pack of lies, but we are common sense grown adults and as you can see from the unanimous response, we all know what's right, regardless of what the rich men say north of Richmond! Thanks for your kind support, as ever, have a great week there, D&Px

[@MrG00ny65]

I`ve always kept my bikes for a good few years before changing. My CB1000R is now 9 years old with 33,0000 miles on the clock and still going strong. Gets smoother and nicer with age. Before the CB I had Fireblade for 14 years. Never been a chop and change biker. I`m sure I`ll be keeping my Thruxton RS for a while as well.

[@Moonfleet41]

Wow that's a great story and a whole heap of mileage to be proud of, makes me chuckle when dealers advertise a trade in bike with 'high mileage but in good condition' and there it is with 20k on the clock... and even more so, it pains me to see 10yr old Harleys with 2k miles on it.

[@colinm1325]

​@@Moonfleet41 They're to be ridden, just like us, life's too short to be mucking around too much.

[@kerm9807]

Proper job Boss 👏

[@shaunglendinning]

Repair and maintain what you have. Best option by far. 'Greener' for sure. 🌲

[@Moonfleet41]

You got that right mate!

[@jerryokeeffe9886]

Good video pal, I alway had second hand bikes ,could never afford a new one ,so I always kept bike breakers in business ,it good for the environment less scrap metal it good to reuse

[@Moonfleet41]

Dead right mate and well said!

[@savinggracechurch4112]

That is funny once again, Del. Because this morning, I received a return today from a buyer on eBay. I had sold a used XJR clutch master cylinder, and the only reason it was returned was that it needed some new internals, i.e., the service kit. Great timing, Del, and a great video once again!

[@Moonfleet41]

My word, that was lucky, glad we could help Marc!

[@Yamafizzy]

The greener way forward is to switch from 4 wheels to 2 - unless of course you have a quad bike 😃

[@nickhellen6303]

I own a ‘75; an ‘80; a ‘97 and 2 ‘08 Motorcycles. The ‘75 and the ‘80 are restored. I bought the ‘97 and one of the ‘08s new. And the other ‘08 with 7000klms on it. They ain’t going nowhere. And I can’t imagine I’ll ever be purchasing a new bike again.

[@Moonfleet41]

Wow that sounds like a perfect collection and you yourself will know the wonderful feeling you get towards a bike when you've owned it from new!

[@PaydayGabeBCNV]

Most definitely save the Old/Elder machines 💯! They are far simpler than new Tech heavy scooters. Keep up the good work. Cheers 🍻.

[@Moonfleet41]

You got that right, not much can be done with fault finding on todays bikes without expensive electronic diagnostic equipment..!

[@rsbharley4766]

Nice video Del & Penny, hope all is well with you both. Excellent how to mate, job well done. I think keep them on the road with a little spanner work is the way to go, I still have my Evo. Penny and you enjoy the last part of your week. Cheers

[@Moonfleet41]

Thanks mate👍, i agree, im not so sure this latest fad for buying brand new bikes every few years won't wear off once owners realise how hard it is to have any pride of ownership in a bike you hardly know.... It takes time to get to know a bike, you need a few long wet rides in the dark, and the odd scary moment to truly bond with it aye..! Take care too and thank you for your support as always.. D&Pxx

[@barrbr8610]

I always do wear and tear every year or follow what service manual says it's a good reference because i was a full time rider to make sure everything on my bike is in a good conditions always when riding.

[@Moonfleet41]

Great point!

[@ChristopherMcreynolds-o6x]

Keep the old ones going , as you know the quality of them. 👍👍👍👍

[@Moonfleet41]

Said that right, they don't seem to make them quite so well as they used to!

[@tommylitchfield3450]

You showed a good point when reworking an assembly... Always keep the old parts until the job is done... You can look right at how everything goes together, live and in person. Sometimes, instructions and diagrams can be misleading, and very rarely, simply wrong. Having the old piece there to copy is the way to go... And if the old parts are not destroyed, they may get you out of a bind, temporarily or permanently, by having a useable part in case you lose or damage one of your new pieces, or if the kit is missing a piece, or has mismatched parts. That sometimes happens with universal style, one size fits all kits.

[@Moonfleet41]

Too right Tommy, wise words well said on the old parts, I've often found that when you buy a kit they are cheaply made Chinese parts and not as good as the old factory originals, so actually re-using an unworn factory part is better then a cheap new part!

[@geraldfitzgibbon7428]

An old chap who lived up road from me. He had loads brit bikes and an NSU car. He told me 1 day after i got my first new bike. That it takes 16,000 miles to run in a vehicle .and i think he was right. Lately iv just gone over 17000 mile on my latest bike and the engine def sounds lot quieter now than when i got it as preowned bike with only 9340 miles . It was only 2.5 years old when i got it.

[@Moonfleet41]

You're absolutly right Gerald, i totally agree, ive always said it takes at least 10k miles to break in a bike engine and settle everything down... and when i stripped the Sportster engine for the 1200 conversion, there was still factory cross hatching inside the cylinder bores... so i'd say you're right, 16 to 20k for a full run in..

[@grosbeakmc]

Hiya Penny and Del great video! I have rebuilt a slave cylinder but have yet to do a master cylinder - this will be an excellent reference. As to the question of greener... certainly newer motorcycles with fuel injections, computer management and catalytic converters are greener to operate... but then there are the considerations of the disposal of the old bike and the environmental cost of building the new one... definitely significant. As for my OWN greens, I'd much rather keep the old ones running and not have to pay the price of a new one! Take care, dear friends. Be well and ride safe.

[@Moonfleet41]

Increasingly it looks like we all agree on this, but perhaps that's because we're all of the older generation and no so willing to sign up for finance and lease deals for the latest shiney new bike?! Most of these things though, change with generations and it's clearly the younger riders what are all getting hocked up in lifetime's of debt for bikes they can't afford to buy. Have a great week there, and ride safe, D&Px

[@johnk7814]

If its a bike you love just keep it going👍

[@Moonfleet41]

Always!

[@neildawson4933]

Keep the old bikes going! I have a 2001 Bandit 600 that I have completely stripped and rebuilt and a 2005 Hornet 600 that gets regular attention as and when it needs it. I also have a transit custom that I’ve had since new 6 years ago and I have no intention of upgrading to the latest model just to keep up with the Jones. If you look after your vehicles they will serve you well.

[@Moonfleet41]

Wise words well said mate and good going on the Bandit, a wonderful bike!

[@Cueballproductions1149]

Bikes don’t give off that many emissions anyway so riding a motorcycle is greener than driving a car but keep my motorbikes till I can’t ride them anymore unless something pops up. Nice video

[@Moonfleet41]

Exactly mate, all mine will certainly outlive me.!

[@paulwhittaker606]

Brilliant as ever.

[@ThomasMoore.1]

Great video

[@JamesChasingSunrises]

Greener for me is also keeping green in my pocket so I prefer to hold on to my bike and do my own maintenance as I have been doing for about 68,000 miles.

[@Moonfleet41]

Damn good policy there James, totally agree with you mate.

[@tinks43]

Great work both of you. Definitely better to keep them on the road otherwise we’d all be bankrupt 🙈

[@Moonfleet41]

Absolutely mate, there's nothing green about buying new bikes regardless. of the emmisions issue, re-use rather then replace wherever we can aye!

[@paulradcliffe2391]

Nice one Del 👍 Nice and informative as always 👍 Deffo prefer older bikes anyway, regardless of green credentials, don't need fancy electronics or this new fangled auto gearbox malarkey 😮😮😮, absolutely not for me 😁👍 Keep up the fantastic work Del 'n' Pen 👍

[@Moonfleet41]

Totally agree Paul, DCT sounds like something you can get cream for lol.

[@raydouglas5896]

Keeping older bikes on the road is the best way to go, much greener than getting rid of them after a short while.. my bike is 11 years old and the car is 16 years old. This mad dash to electrification of vehicles is not an ecological way to go.

[@Moonfleet41]

It most certainly isn't Ray, how interesting it is that they trumpet the credentials of zero emmisions but conveniently ignore the massively accelerated carbon footprint of building EV's in the first place... it's all just politics mate!

[@gerardcullen5131]

Great instructional video Del and brilliant close up camera shots Penny and in my opinion we have become to much of a throw away society every thing is discarded anything new has a limited shelf life and is not easily fixed so old is good

[@Moonfleet41]

Thanks mate, really appreciate your kind comments, a lot goes in to post-production as well as the filming so it's great when it's appreciated!

[@wobblysauce]

A maintained item for sure, but most let it slip as they get older.

[@joerogan3461]

Thank god you dont have music playing on the video. Asmr lol

[@ewanburnett3956]

Greener to keep an old chugger going but definitely not for the faint hearted haha, bank balance can suffer too as parts become more tricky to find. But I definitely prefer to keep my 26 year old bandit going.

[@Moonfleet41]

Totally agree mate, noone said it's an easy ride, and yes, parts do get harder to source, but all part of the adventure!

[@oddkarlsen7593]

Well done again Del... I have a 2007 XJR (injection), and I'm keepin' it...😁👍🇳🇴

[@Moonfleet41]

Nice one, exactly as i would..!

[@NearbyCactus]

My bikes were built in 1929, 1970, and my "modern", in 1984. So it shouldn't come as any surprise that I favour the path of keeping an older bike on the road 😉

[@Moonfleet41]

My word, you have a motorcycle that's almost 100yrs old... that is glorious and certainly something to be proud of!

[@NearbyCactus]

@@Moonfleet41 I agree 😁 It's a Triumph CSD - a 550cc side-valve with hand gear-shift & girder forks. Quite an different experience to ride.

[@Moonfleet41]

@@NearbyCactus Wow, what a glorious bike to own, I imagine just riding it down the road is an adventure all by itself!

[@Bajker4ever]

That old bruiser XJR will outlive half of nowdays new shits

[@Moonfleet41]

You're dead right mate... and probably me too!

[@malcolmbennett3555]

as a rider of a '74 Norton Commando maintain what you have and repair/update when needed.

[@Moonfleet41]

My word, that's impressive, what a glorious piece of history, keep it rolling Sir!

[@johnnguyen4115]

Jesus that garage

[@americanotakuinc.9637]

Hey Del. Glad to see you using that can of Kroil I got you way back when. Stuff lasts forever don’t it?! 😁

[@Moonfleet41]

Damn right it does buddy, id say it's still at least half full, all you ever need is the tiniest dab and let it work.. seriously expensive, but if it works and lasts like it does.. it's well worth it.! Than kyou again for the kind gift.. take care and have a great week.. D&Px

[@RaymondSmith-r6h]

Do em old un's up Del Boy!, you know it makes sense.... You know it makes sense!!!.

[@Moonfleet41]

Will do!

[@peldos]

What about the lever adjuster. Did you get it working again?

[@Moonfleet41]

Yeah all done.

[@johnmetcalfe5631]

It certainly greener keeping the older bikes on the road as with good regular maintenance they will run for ever. Whereas the newer ones along with other modern stuff is basically a disposible item. We've a 1994 BMW that has 90000 miles on the clock and we have just done over 2500 miles around europe two up fully loaded and it has run like a dream. Give me an old bike any day before one of these new glorified playstations on wheels

[@Moonfleet41]

My sentiments exactly John, keeping an old bike on the road is a joy and a pleasure in itself, they don't usually need much, unlike the computer controlled stuff, just replace the bits that wear out and keep the rust at bay!

[@Busaboy1300]

My busa is 24 years old,my zx7r is 23 and my rd250lc is 43 years old..I'll never buy a new bike.these 3 are the only ones I've ever wanted.

[@Moonfleet41]

And the best year Busa that is too!... can't beat a 2k Gen1 and as for an RD250, mine had 'L' plates and I miss it more than any of the others!

[@Busaboy1300]

@@Moonfleet41 I love my lc..so many memories on them bikes back in the day..and I agree del,defo thee best busa.

[@ukbertie]

i think as we get older we long for the bikes of our youth that we couldnt afford so we look at them we rose tinted glasses ,

[@Moonfleet41]

Good point.. possibly why those bikes now sell for multiple times their list price back in the day..!!

[@martinlongley8330]

Always repair and maintain my bikes and cars as long as its economically viable, but would opt for previously enjoyed replacements rather than new.

[@Moonfleet41]

Thanks for sharing mate, I think we're all agreeing along the same lines!

[@thewiltshirerider01]

Well if it's got a good engine and does not burn oil or excess fuel then I would say to keep an oldie going as the parts are already made as with new models comes new parts and new production so not so green, thanks great video as always

[@Moonfleet41]

Thanks mate, turning out to be a unanimous opinion!

[@andyjrichie6709]

I like my big scoot, it gets maintained and it looks after our road trip, so maintenance is key, had mine 5 years, why sell something that's known by the rider, it's perfectly serviced by me. Why keep shelling out on new bikes to keep up with the Jones. Great video Sir

[@bluehazeboy]

The last few bikes I’ve bought,I’ve kept for ages,I have a 76 kettle that I’ve had 30 years,no intention of selling it on,I had a mk2 1200 bandit that I had for 13 years,I then bought my last ever new bike,crap after sales service,& got bored with it after 18 months,bought a very clean 1200 bandit mk1 & that’s going nowhere anytime soon,much prefer working on my bikes if & when I can,I have an independent dealer at the bottom of my road if I have a problem.

[@Moonfleet41]

Ah, god bless the indies, always there to help us at a reasonable price! Glad to hear you've got a great stable to be proud of.

[@joselalfaro]

Keep wrenching 🛠️🔧👨‍🔧 !

[@paulwhittaker606]

Love from greta tunberg

[@Moonfleet41]

God bless Greta!

[@ronmimnaugh7674]

looking at it from a different view. Someone has to buy new in order for those older bikes to go to beginners. Not as many are willing to shell out for a new bike when they are beginning riders. I personally don't mind shelling out for a new bike. I don't do it often. I got 36K miles out of the first, 66K miles on the second, and have over 40K miles on this one. It will most likely be my last bike. It is my primary mode of transportation to and from work, so I like having it be a reliable bike. The folks that bought mine all got a bike in good shape that will last a casual rider the rest of their life most likely if they keep it serviced up.

[@Moonfleet41]

That is the premium way to treat bikes, using them properly, maintaining them and passing them on in good order, it's those that are passing them on 18mths old for the next latest model that are truly wasting the best years of the bike... Thanks for your input, much appreciated.

[@adambatko4773]

I'm a bit shocked you don't have a sonic cleaner. Rather I don't recall seeing you use one on the channel. I feel like those would work quite well in these situations.

[@Moonfleet41]

Do indeed have one mate, I just elected not to use it for this job as it wasn't that bad inside... Here's a link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5XJp4xnrbprY7M

[@adambatko4773]

@@Moonfleet41 fair enough

[@loddude5706]

Not sure the makers & their cash flow will love you for it, but yeah, buy the best quality you can afford & keep it well. Puts me in mind of a North American native proverb I saw once ~ 'Treat the Earth well; it's not yours & it wasn't given to you by your parents, it's just on loan to you from your children.' (My ol'man didn't leave me a Brough tho' . . . GIT! : )xx

[@Moonfleet41]

You said that right, mine didn't leave me a Brough either, just a handful of skills and a bag full of tools, and I feel richer for it... give a man a fishing rod and all that!

[@loddude5706]

. . . & he'll thrash the car like Basil Fawlty! (Sorry) But you're right. skill beats riches by earning your pride, money never can : )

[@doubletrippleburger]

In my case, I doubt it. Bought XVZ1300 that was sitting in garage for 7+ years, she keeps breaking down. And it's a big lady to work on. Just doing the clutch master cylinder, because the lever just stayd in. That is how I came accross this video. If you have a lot of time and interest to invest, it is greener. Or if you have funds for mechanics.

[@Moonfleet41]

You make a good point well there mate.. it is a work load keeping a bike healthy on rolling, and an expence too... far easier to buy a recent or new bike and just ride.. but for me, i can't feel a pride of ownership in something that belongs to the bank...! Great bike the Royal Star, a good pedegree, distant relative to the V-Max , and certainly worth preserving.!

[@yulaw5110]

The screws on the res are Jiss I have a set of Jiss screwdrivers and never strip them out

[@Goldwing1500rider]

Got a question! Can we replace or is there a window sight glass replacement?? Or do we have to replace the whole thing? Job nicely done. I just did brake job on my bike.

[@Moonfleet41]

Only if it's broken or leaking, I believe they're available fro the main dealer, but depends on the bike and if there's any stock left!

[@Goldwing1500rider]

@@Moonfleet41…. Surprisingly…. There is… Amazon and online have aftermarket… just have to know the size. I may just go for them. Some KZbin shows how to replace it. You might make a video on that. Thank you Bud… you too Penny

[@kdjaxx]

I dunno about greener but I do know that of all 12 bikes I own (yes I know) I have an odd ball 08 but everything else is from around 92 or 95 back to 80 I believe

[@eddiedonnelly9685]

Keep the old ones...

[@FourIntoOne]

It is a fact that the newer a bike or car is, and therefore the more needlessly complicated it is, the more unreliable it is. I know what I would do -and it isn't buying new bikes every 5 minutes. Happily it is also a fact that repairing and reusing older tech is more green than buying new. 👍

[@Moonfleet41]

Totally agree mate, it's possibly why old 70's muscle bikes are costing the same money as brnad new stock from the showrooms, and the same goes for cars!

[@markgosling9253]

Lots of variables in that but I know which will hurt your pocket more as bikes seem to run forever

[@Moonfleet41]

Good points well made mate.

[@anthonybushell102]

According to mayor Khan, any motorcycle pre-2008 is scrap because of the emissions, I hate him because I had to get rid of a perfectly good bike, which I had just replaced all of the consumables on, now someone outside London is enjoying my ride that I lovingly restored. She was my baby😫😫😫😫😫 So sad

[@Moonfleet41]

What a shame, I guess if we were to consider the cost of a new bike and filter that down to the cost of running an older one by stomaching the 'fees', it would still probably work out cheaper and you'd have got to keep your lovely ol' bike.

[@stigweird3155]

Good point Del....but most low mileage bikes on the second hand market are a result of PCP deals..... it's been made so easy to own a new bike with affordable monthly payments. Not saying its the right way and I'm certainly not fooled by the whole emissions clap trap....but it's attractive to many who perhaps are not confident enough to maintain there own machines.

[@Moonfleet41]

Exactly right mate, the world of monthly rental does make it too easy and yes, of course, the newer generations are less mechanically minded and the manufacturers don't make it easy with everything being computer controlled... !

[@andrewgent5887]

It’s a conundrum. The fewer new bikes that are bought and sold, the fewer used ones there’ll be and they will definitely be more expensive. It’s like having a tiger by the tail and there probably isn’t a simple answer. Personally, I like to own and maintain rather than chop and change.

[@Moonfleet41]

I think we agree on that Andrew, and you're dead right, that we need bikes for the second hand market, but at changing every 18mths and rental agreements meaning everyone is attracted by the shiney new ones, then it's gonna end up a little out of control with far too many bikes going second hand, not worthy of finance or warranties, so becoming pretty worthless and then the whole industry suffers, it needs careful control, just like the precious metal market, not just greedy mad dash to sell numbers... it just devalues everything.

[@roytheboy5413]

Keep the older ones mines 22yrs old and still going strong ,service it and maintain it it'll last another 22 yrs(bmw r1150rt)

[@Moonfleet41]

Totally agree mate!

[@grantwilson2404]

bought a 2008 goldwing with 15,000 miles on it doing the math if I put 10,000 a year for the next 10 years it should be just broken in.

[@Moonfleet41]

Exactly that mate, engine's last way longer than we think... gotta love a Wing!

[@dogsnmotorcycles]

If you like your bike, keep it and take care of it. If you don't like it or just want something else, buy a new one. I'm keeping my 10 year old bike that I bought new.

[@Moonfleet41]

Good policy!

[@markstaley5922]

Interesting statement about being green trading motorcycles every 18 months why would you it’s a throwaway world we now live in I’m afraid keeping your bike long term gives the owner far more gratification than going to a dealer and swapping your barely run in bike for another 👍

[@Moonfleet41]

Absolutely right Mark, wise words well said, there's no pride of ownership in PCP...

[@markstaley5922]

@@Moonfleet41 my old gsxr wp from 1994 is testament to home servicing I’ll never sell her owning and running a motorcycle is a life journey and not just ride👍

[@Moonfleet41]

ha ha, what a glorious bike.. true Sports muscle... i seem to remember MCN labeled The 1100 the "The Disciplinarian"..! coz if you didn't respect them they'd teach you a lesson..lol!

[@markstaley5922]

@@Moonfleet41 she bites lol just like your busa great channel one of the best 🏍️👍

[@winksmt01]

My Kawasaki z1100 A1 shaft is 42 years old still going strong. No road tax or mot. It owes me nothing just good maintenance costs. Can't see the point of selling it to get a new bike. OK the performance and brakes aren't as good as new bikes but, I'm ok with that.

[@Moonfleet41]

Zero Tax or MOT should attract a lot more people that it does, but with classic jap bike prices being so daft these days i guess you can buy a much more modern and reliable bike for the money ! Good on you mate, keep rolling that old Z... The Toecutter would be proud lol!

[@brandywell44]

The greater way of bike buying is when taxes are low and imports inexpensive and affordable. Sadly we have lost that healthy position in the UK.

[@Moonfleet41]

You're not wrong there mate!

[@andydawson2070]

Reduce, reuse, recycle every time.

[@Moonfleet41]

Totally agree Andy!

[@neillambton4065]

Far better to have an older bike kept in tip top condition. I`ve often had this argument over ev`s, older icev`s are for more greener for the planet than brand new ev`s will ever be. The manufacturing process of the bulk of the vehical already exists, so there`s no need for a new body shell and most mechanical components in a car, or bike. The "ungreen" aspect of motoring is buying new "complete sub assemblies" when all you really need is a new trackrod end or driveshaft gaitor etc etc. EV`s are thhe most environmentally FILTHY vehicals you could buy. My Mazda 6 is 5 years old, has less than 35,000 miles on it, and i`m 66. I won`t ever need another car in theory for the rest of my driving days. It may not be brand new, but at around 7-8,000 miles per year, and an estimated 200,000 mile lifespan of the car, i know my car is going to be more environmentally friendly than replacing it every 3 years. Bloody site cheaper too. That`s another point, by keeping older cars or bikes on the road, especially the lower milage ones, is not only more environmentally friendly for the planet(not using any more raw materials and rescources etc), it`s also a much more cost effective way of motoring, and the same goes for motorcycles too. Let`s just hope our corrupt governments will eventually see it that way, but i very much doubt it. A really great point made there Delboy, people only go out and buy new bikes and cars because of the snob value.

[@Moonfleet41]

Wise words well said Sir.. totally agree.!

[@davidcort2857]

Taylor Swift, ???????

[@Moonfleet41]

That got your attention!

[@davidcort2857]

@@Moonfleet41 It did, spat my tea out

[@matthewjackson3034]

All good, did my clutch slave and master on the blackbird. Was a faff lol. Slave was leaking. Just replaced my screws with similar Allen key fitment. With regards to green, prob 50/50. Newer bikes have more modern engines with the cats etc. But if u keep the same bike for many years, surely that has a better overall effect on the environment and (your wallet). 😂😂

[@Moonfleet41]

Thanks mate, interesting viewpoint, whatever it takes to keep motorcycles on the road is all good!

[@matthewjackson3034]

@Moonfleet41 Don't make em how they used too, that's for sure! The quality of some of these new bikes is shocking. Such poor craftsmanship, just knocking em out. And paint quality, don't get me started. Got a 23 plate MT10 and the paint marks so easily. And slightest bit of water on chain, furs up. (Cheap parts). Defo worth keeping a good older bike, won't be anymore left to enjoy soon enough. 😬