Morag: Scotland's Other Lake Monster

[@bluewatson4341]

The virgin Nessie vs the Chad Morag

[@dr.polaris6423]

Haha good one!

[@anonb4632]

Morag's a girl.

[@bluewatson4341]

Ah yes- noticed that. however Stacy just doesn’t have the same ring to it

[@anonb4632]

@@bluewatson4341 Especially as Stacy isn't a Gaelic language name and doesn't sound anything like the name of the loch

[@laurapritchard1617]

😅😂

[@PTtheWildEspeon]

Gotta love your choice of intro music! Arctic Antics was a banger, alright! In fact, Wrath of Cortex was the very first Crash game (and video game in general) that I ever played!

[@dr.polaris6423]

Ah thanks! I grew up with that game as well and the soundtrack is actually pretty fantastic. Also, Arctic Antics fit well with the name and character of Dr Polaris.

[@matthiasfloren2610]

From mermaid like creature to plesiosaurus. A product of popularity and culture

[@dr.polaris6423]

That’s a perfect way to sum up this story!

[@MrEmilable]

Bowsette in reverse.

[@matthiasfloren2610]

@@MrEmilable omg you nailed it

[@dr.polaris6423]

@@MrEmilable Haha yeah!

[@samaval9920]

But-mermaid can not naturally be result of human + fish or human + porpoise or dolphin hybrids. These combinations can only be result of high level biological science-?still too advanced for current earth human biological science.?

[@hoibsh21]

Morag: See, Nessie gets all the attention while I'm just a nobody.

[@OviraptorFan]

It makes me feel like this is all just a bit of popularity/hysteria. Or maybe she was a banshee that underwent a magical transformation and became a plesiosaur! yeah, that must be the answer!!

[@dr.polaris6423]

Thanks for the comment. I’m not going to be on Discord for a while though.

[@OviraptorFan]

@@dr.polaris6423 Oh? why's that? Will there be a time when you return? Also Deviantart has a chat mode now, so that is now an option.

[@dr.polaris6423]

@@OviraptorFan I'm having a bit of a break from Alter Earth related stuff at the moment. It's been taking up too much of my thought lately. I'll be back on Discord and chats in maybe a month or so.

[@OviraptorFan]

Dr. Polaris ah, thanks for informing me

[@Sawrattan]

It's as if Ireland's leprechaun sightings changed from a little man in green to a giant t-rex.

[@FakeSugarVillain]

Feels bad such a beautiful and important cultural tale for the region became just a Nessie clone

[@unterdessen8822]

7:10 That's a waterbird, probably a swan. The "snout" is actually the butt end of the swan. The neck is a neck, but the head is under water, sifting for food. You can even see the legs: Apparently that bird is standing on a stone or some other shallowly submerged structure.

[@valivali8104]

More likely than old depiction of ancient aquatic reptile.

[@1NEGATIVE1]

that is not a swan if u ever seen how a swan or a bird looked like it has no beak

[@gabrieladerre2862]

So, now, if I ever get to go see Scotland, I'll need to take an extra $7, to give each of the lake monsters $3.50?

[@yoursotruly]

Tree fiddy?

[@gabrieladerre2862]

@@yoursotruly you know it! 😉 Who wouldn't give the Loch Ness Monster that tree fiddy that he needs? I'd give a $20 and a chickem sandwich, if he'd let me take a selfie w/him! And/or maybe take a few DNA swabs, to sell to science! 🤪

[@r.shanethompson7933]

I gave him a dollar...

[@donkeykong6426]

why does he want the money??

[@ZemplinTemplar]

I think the sudden change from a more imaginative description in the supposed older accounts into a more bog-standard, Nessie derivative description (i.e. an outdated plesiosaur appearance) is an obvious case of a "scryptid". When expectations shaped by popular culture and media works force a previously more unique account of a cryptid into a box of "conforming" to said expectations. Hence, Morag becoming a local Nessie cousin/ripoff, rather than a potentially weirder idea/vision of a lake monster, from local folk tales.

[@aleccope1320]

Extensive underwater cavern systems that link into the ocean...

[@BaltimoresBerzerker]

How does an animal population that has to breath at the surface of the water, survive being under glacier for thousands of years and then through the younger dryus, and into today? It doesn't.

[@ChrisJones-jm9dz]

Verified population of about 4 adults. Have satteliite photo of vertical axis looking straight down in 2013 Apple Maps. It has a long neck, snake like head, large elephant size torso, holds it flippers flush to maintain position in shallows, missing tail from shotgun incident in 1969, evidently some reptiles can shed tail under stress. !ocal fishermen throw dead fish to them during early morning. They can not hold the famous swan pose as thier vertebrae cannot support that. They can do the vertical telephone pole pose in deep water. Longevity longevity is long as many cousin share that like turtles and Crocs. Food source is adequate do to salmon population there. Thier cousin Croc can go without food for almost a year. Breathing is easy as their cousins only need to surface a nostril only to replenish. Thier lung capacity is huge and can withstand massive depths. Carcass sinks to bottom sediment to rot and fish and other denizens feast on it. They give live birth. The juveniles are the size of your palm and can navigate the local estuaries undetected like a small lizard then grow to a behemoth. The photo I have measures 55 feet from nose to rear flank as it's tail is missing thanks to two drunk truck driver fishermen in 1969 who attack the beast with shotgun and an oar. Photo was near Ban Island in 16 feet of water. It was ambush fishing for Char in a lagoon. It looks like a long neck pliesosaur. it's not a seal not sturgeon nor an eel. That's just wishful thinking by KT Extinction event true believers. There are many deep lakes worldwide where this seems to be duplicated. Paleontologists need to revisit thier drawing boards. Something is not correct with history here.

[@Popebug]

Ok, so where is all this evidence of yours?

[@Sabatuar]

Wait, some people think the Morag is a lake monster?

[@johnhanover2229]

Sturgeons are like, pretend you are a monster and no one gets the caviar lol. Minnesota state law any sturgeon longer than 12’ must be released.

[@rocketlaunchershotgunguy425]

*Nessie's Chad twin*

[@anonb4632]

Morag is a girl.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

Sister*

[@BriarRouge]

Addicted to your videos!

[@gingerredshoes]

Just because there's a plesiosaur in the loch doesn't mean there isn't also a bansidh. Those are not mutually exclusive. 😉

[@MrWanapon]

Are you saying there's two loch ness monsters?

[@dr.polaris6423]

Well, supposedly one in Loch Ness and one in Loch Morar.

[@MrWanapon]

@@dr.polaris6423 so?

[@dr.polaris6423]

@@MrWanapon So what?

[@beneficent2557]

Oxygenated dammed in eels.

[@RevelsInTheGeekness]

@@beneficent2557 I take it you’re a Steve alten fan?

[@victorabaderamos6019]

Nice video! Is there any cryptid you think has at least a chance of being an actual undescribed animal, rather than being just a case of misidentification or hysteria?

[@dr.polaris6423]

If I had to choose one, I would say the Orang Pendek.

[@victorabaderamos6019]

@@chancegivens9390 I was gonna suggest him, but all the reports I know of could be interpreted as misidentified brown bears (Yeti's footprints found on Tibet were later discovered to belong to Tibetan bears, for example). I don't think an animal as big as Bigfoot could stay hidden for so much time (the american black bear, for example, is extremely shy and surprisingly stealthy, but has been known to mankind for millenia). Besides, we have myths of giant hairy apes in pretty much every continent, even on those that definetely never harbored such beasts, like Australia, so I'm inclined to believe it's more of a cultural or psychological archetype rather than the sightings of an unknown creature.

[@victorabaderamos6019]

@@chancegivens9390 Yeah, but we would still have more evidence they exist. First of all, I think there should be a lot of footages of BF captured by drones by now, even chimps or gorillas can't elude them. Second, shouldn't we have indirect proof of their existence, like hair samples, blood, stool, or their own dead bodies? Unless they're smart enough to bury/hide all these things,which would imply human-like intelligence, we'd find them by now. Thirdly, woudn't we see their mark on the enviromment? Big and as tall as they are, they must be browsers, feeding on high foliage of the forest, and herbivores as large as them woud certainly make a selective pressure on the plants, forcing them to evolve anti-browsing stratagies or adapt their fruits and seeds to geminate only after passing through their guts, like it happens with bison and grasses. Yet we don't spot any particular adaptation against large size browsers on North American trees

[@victorabaderamos6019]

@@chancegivens9390 (for some reason KZbin didn't upload my second reply) I think it's unlikly for two reasons: First, homo erectus were on the path of becoming hairless, and, except on certain places of NA and the Himalayas, I don't see why they'd reverse the process, specially if they went to hot places like Australia.Second, there would be no room for them to evolve a large browser iche since it was alredy fuifilled by different animals on the places mentioned. In NA there were the ground sloths and the mastodons, elephants and gigantopithecus on Asia and giant kangoroos and geynornis on Australia. There'd be too much competition for them if they were to evolve to fill such niche

[@victorabaderamos6019]

@@chancegivens9390 Many documentaries are starting to use drones to record wildlife without having to come too close to them. Altough the dense foliage is certainly a problem, newrer models are being developed to circumvente this problem(which isn't that much of a problem in their supposed habitat. We're talking about temperate to boreal forests here, so the vegetation is naturally less dense than jungles.). Also, no matter how precise their senses are, a camera or a infrared sensor would still pick them up( think about the big cats, for instance. Their senses and agility are much superior to that of a human, yet drones record them easily). About the part of them hiding their dead and their waste, that would imply human-like intelligence, since not even chimps go to such great lengths to hide themselves(since ,despite their intelligence,we know them for hundreds of years), and such tatics are seen only in highly trained human trackers. But saying they're as smart as us is complicated both from an evolutionary standpoint( why would a species evolve to be so intelligent if they live on a relatively stable enviromment with predictable changes throughout the year and are big enough they can deal with any potential prey/predator by simply crushing it to death?) and from the lack of evidence we have( If they're so smart, they must use tools, but why have we never found even a single one? They can't all be hyper-competent in hiding and buring/destroying the proof, some of them must,logically, make mistakes. Besides, if they descend from homo erectus, a species that mastered fire, why don't we have evidence of cooking or camps?)

[@jorgelopez-pr6dr]

Carmichael resembles uncannily to Gounod.

[@universalflamethrower6342]

The core of this problem goes back to the origin of the modern era and the ensueing didenchantment of the world. Although the world is now in it's post-modern phase monsters are still there.

[@rayclam8079]

Dinosaurs can occasionally enter our time and realm through portals and quantum glitchs, especially underwater.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

Primeval was a great series

[@rayclam8079]

I honestly haven't heard of it until now.

[@ChrisJones-jm9dz]

Nope. They never left...

[@KENSHIROez3260]

There is actually no proof to deny your theory

[@unterdessen8822]

I had one tremendously smart (but at this point drunk) guy tell me, that it's all physics. He said, things from the past (but not the future) can slip through the grid and accidentally drop down on us sometimes, because of the way Earth moves through time. I'm not saying I understand what he means by that, but it sounds fascinating. Note, that prehistoric animals and their behaviour have in some cases been accurately described long before any fossils of them were found. Just one example: There are stories about Julius Caesar having a horse with five hooves - on each foot. This could be a metaphor for something, but it's probably too specific. Odin's horse Sleipnir having 8 legs is more likely to be a metaphor and some "folk science": A horse with 8 legs could presumably be faster than one with 4 and there is some... "evidence" to support the idea, that eight-legged horses could be possible. The so-called chestnuts on horses' legs are in fact vestigial toes. Each horse has one on each leg, so 4 legs + 4 chestnuts = 8 possible limbs. Maybe ancient Nordic people thought, that normal horses shed their four extra legs before birth, like they shed their fairy slippers shortly after birth, so that only divine horses would have a full set of (8) legs. But that doesn't explain Caesar's horse. The number 5 is associated with being human in numerology: 5 fingers on each hand, 5 toes on each foot, 5 senses, the 5-star-structure of the body (2 legs + 2 arms + 1 head branching off of the torso), 5 openings in the face (2 eyes + 2 nostrils + 1 mouth) etc. Humans can instinctively distinguish the numbers 1-4, but have to start counting once they reach 5 - meaning, when you see a group of 2, 3 or 4 people, you just KNOW the number without actually counting, but everything higher than 4 are "many". 5 is our "crowd threshold" in counting. Then there is a concept of directions, that is still used in China. In the west, we usually count 4 wind directions and that's it, but in China and many other ancient places, people also count the place they're standing on, so it's 5 directions: North, South, East, West and Centre. Five again. It stands for humans and for civilisation (including the ability to count and name and distinguish directions). But it could be much simpler, when it comes to the horse. Horses DID have 5 toes on each foot (~50 million years ago), each with a little hoof, but lost the majority of them during their evolution (or more specifically, the 3 middle ones of the 5 fused together on one hoof and are still distinguishable in modern horse skeletons). A horse is always giving you the middle finger, because that's the only (visible) one they have left. But the Romans didn't know the cat-sized early horse ancestor Eohippus and had no access to its remains, because those were located in North America. If they had gone by chestnuts or the 3 fused bones in horse legs (which are distinguishable, if you know what you're looking for, but actually not that well defined), they wouldn't have come up with a number of 5 hooves per foot. But that's exactly what the earliest horse feet looked like, and it's simply too odd a gimmick for people to make it up. So, how did they know? Could be a mutation, a surviving herd of Eohippus, that moved to Europe and kept their 5 hooves, while at the same time growing to a size, that would make them suitable as paraveredi (= Roman riding horses, singular is "paraveredus"). Or something dropped down from the past. A giant form of Eohippus, that some poor stable employee/slave had to break and train as a battle steed.

[@greenflagracing7067]

wasn't this loch under a mile of ice during the last ice age?

[@error4159]

I think the people around Loch Morar are trying to increase their tourist industry.

[@lesclapper37]

Lizzie is another Loch Ness monster as well to

[@christopherspence6459]

Where did you get 70 miles from? its only about 34 miles as the crow flies! I have just measured it on Google Earth! 😲😯😲

[@unterdessen8822]

🤔 Roman miles, maybe? 😅🤣

[@randomscontent.]

Dont support enough food but yet they open up to the ocean make sense lol still entertaining

[@ChrisJones-jm9dz]

Wrong! Ask local fishermen the salmon population is in both lochs. It's huge. They just have to catch the fish without a rod or net. Someone is being paid to deflate this inconvenient truth. It is also global and not just Scotland.

[@eliletts1680]

Interesting!

[@suekearton6691]

the third photo could be an otter

[@yoursotruly]

Why call him Morag, why not Moron, it makes more sense, an inhabitant of Morar should be a Moron, right?

[@davidfairbairn8]

Cos Morag is Gaelic for Mary. You didn’t know that, did you?

[@unterdessen8822]

Shit, I thought Morons were the population of Commiefornia! Thanks for educating me 😘

[@eljanrimsa5843]

Obviously this isn't a plesiosaur. Plesiosaurs haven't survived the K/T extinction event. This is just a banshee.

[@ChrisJones-jm9dz]

Obviously you never heard of crocodiles, Coelacanths, and birds. Somehow the kt event had no effect on them. God forbid mainstream academia is WRONG?

[@Ӝ̵̨̄-ъ5б]

@@ChrisJones-jm9dz yo einstein it was a joke

[@Dionaea_floridensis]

I wonder if this myth inspired this Xenoblade 2 character's name

[@jamestappin4741]

0:8:34 Looks like an otter.

[@seanledden4397]

I remember reading a book about the Lock Ness Monster as a kid back in the 1970's. I was captivated. In 1979 my family traveled to Britain (from Ohio) for a summer vacation. We went up to Scotland and drove around Lock Ness. I kept my eyes peeled, but no sighting. Alas. Somewhat later I had to acknowledge that there was no way a population of prehistoric plesiosaurs could be living in the lake. It was as tough for me to face that realization as a seminary student to question the existence of God.

[@gabrieladerre2862]

I actually like the theory among some of those in the Metaphysics and Occult communities, that lake monsters, like Nessie, do exist! Only they exist as either the ghosts of dinosaurs 🦕, or what many call egregores, which are artificial ghosts/spirits, created by sorcerers, witches, etc. Or created by pure belief even! With other factors playing their part, I'm sure! Its interesting stuff! And makes more sense, to me, than actual large prehistoric creatures being in fresh water.

[@seanledden4397]

@@gabrieladerre2862 Yes - I've heard about these ideas. I guess if I'm going to go the supernatural route - which a giant lake monster probably requires - I'll vote for the beast being a manifestation of the awesome power of the god of the lake....Thanks for your reply! :)

[@ChrisJones-jm9dz]

Don't give up yet! A sea change is coming in an effort to save face. Mainstream academia needs to readjust their vaunted theories of paleontology. Wait until you see what they did in northern Chile to innocent Rhea Birds an endangered species. Playing God comes to mind. Google Arica Chile.

[@Sawrattan]

@@gabrieladerre2862 I like the other idea that these animals may actually be prehistoric mammals rather than reptiles, as these could have survived until very recently before man.

[@Popebug]

Loch, not "lock".

[@jasonsantos3037]

I guess nessy is not the only lake monster in Scotland

[@keilorfollett6926]

Sounds like a big conga eel

[@anonb4632]

The only natural lake in Scotland is the Lake of Menteith. The rest are lochs not lakes.

[@ChrisJones-jm9dz]

Loch is the Gaelic word for LAKE!!!

[@Popebug]

A loch is a lake.

[@acidmickey8092]

First