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[@declangodfrey]

Hello Alex, thank you for opening up about this topic. I totally understand where you're coming from. I've been vegan for over 7 years now. The only time I questioned veganism was when my IBS symptoms were so bad that there were very few foods I could eat without causing a reaction. I had been through a stressful and emotional period then so I knew that is what caused the IBS to get so bad. Yet, I was still wondering, as a last option, if eating animal products would somehow relieve it. I didn't quite get to that point but the contemplation was there. It took me a while, through medical help, dieticians and relaxing more (with meditation and walking a lot) that I was able to see improvements and eventually eat properly again. I still have issues from time to time but it's not as bad as it was. A healthy advocate is a better advocate. I hope your issues become more manageable and you can thrive. Maybe you can go back to plant-based once you're in a better place. The door isn't closed. I wish you all the best, Alex! Take care.

[@CptShelby]

I'm sure he's still eating plant based. He's just mixing in a few animal products.

[@sithius99]

Thank you. This is how veganism should be. Positive, understanding and welcoming. The vitriol of other certain vegans is vile and very sanctimonious.

[@rootwo6772]

I have IBS and many issues digesting plant based foods. I push through. I push through even if it could endanger my life because it's not about me it's about the animals. There's never a good excuse.

[@SeasonedRookie]

@@rootwo6772 That’s a decision you made for yourself.

[@ananthan8951]

​@@rootwo6772 With a strong will, the mind can usually prevail over matter. It is an accomplishment so long as it doesn't feed the ego. The Buddha, as a mendicant, did not reject an offering from any follower merely because it was meat although he consumed only a meagre quantity. His life was dedicated to teaching the masses his way to liberation. Millennia before his time, there were hermits who lived on nothing other than nature - dried plant matter. They believed it was an essential austerity to purifying their Karma. I believe the Buddha was a model in being not attached nor obsessed nor fastidious on food when there is a higher purpose in life.

[@zacharyjordan399]

Hey Alex, you mentioned struggling to get a sufficient amount of calories and veganism aside, here's something that helped me. I have an eating disorder and for long periods have also had days where I was eating, as you said, 0-700 calories. Meal replacement drinks such as Soylent or Huel were helpful for me as it allows you to drink several hundred calories very quickly and as a nice bonus they are also vegan. Also, making smoothies with things like protein powder/banana/peanut butter. Not gonna comment on anything else here just wanted to leave this here in case anyone finds it helpful.

[@AverageGreg]

I switched primarily to Soylent from a diet of microwavable pizzas and burritos about a year ago. I eat it for 90% of my food, and do appreciate that its vegan though I am not.

[@someguy2135]

I have always struggled to attain the recommended minimum BMI with my high metabolism. Your advice to drink your calories is a good one, based on my experience, and Dr. Greger's video on the subject on the Nutritionfacts YT channel and his site. I use a lot of peanutbutter powder as a type of protein drink, and used 1-2 fruit and protein smoothies a day to allow me to reach the minimum BMI goal on a vegan compatible diet. Resistance training also helps since it leads to muscle gains instead of unhealthy fat gains. It also improves the appetite without burning excessive calories. Trail mix (including dates) helps too as a calorically dense, healthy snack.

[@Tpcool]

Of course, I can't comment on how appropriate this would be for Alex's particular life situations, but meal replacement drinks or bars were the first thing that came to mind when he spoke about getting the calories or nutrition in his difficult circumstances. I don't have have the time or energy to cook breakfast in the morning most days, so I bring a Soylent with me to work. I want to empathize with Alex, but it's hard for me to envision a scenario where he couldn't think just a bit more outside of the box to keep it practical for himself.

[@honestcommenter8424]

Soylent and huel are not food, you have teeth for a reason. Vegans are just going out of their natural way of living for an idea.

[@gorabacha]

It will probably trigger the poor man’s IBS. I come from an indian vegetarian background which I had to give up because anything vegetarian aside from nuts gives me the runs.

[@frohnatur9806]

Maybe more people would go vegan if vegans were ...prepare to aggressively disagree... more empathic towards humans and less hateful.

[@patrick5301]

Are you a baby that needs to be beeb boob lulululu the entire way?

[@frohnatur9806]

@WillyFisher412 totally! I'm frequently baffled of how incapable most people are to imagine how different people's experiences can be. Maybe you grew up in a vegetarian household, learning to cook that way from early on, developing the discipline to cook daily with help from your parents, having lots of affordable and tasty vegan options for take-away food in your area, don't really like the taste of meat that much anyway and get stomach problems from it. Or maybe you grew up in a "it isn't a meal without meat in it" type of household, only barely learnt to cook some meat dishes, didn't develop a daily cooking routine, heavily struggle with keeping up routines and executing everyday tasks that you know how to do, like cooking, due to ADHD, and don't have any real vegan take-away options in your area. You've tried going vegan or vegetarian several times despite all your other problems and ways you try to better the world, but never managed to stick to it for more than 2 weeks. Then you get insulted and dehumanized for it, because "it's not that hard", "you have to try harder" or "you don't really care". Yes, eating meat is murder and torture. It is - sadly - normal in our world, however, and in most areas being vegan isn't as easy as being an omnivore. So, if any militant vegan reads this: Praise the effort and encourage, instead of insulting people for trying, otherwise you and your enslaved animal pals only make enemies. If you must insult somebody, then do it to the people who wouldn't ever consider going vegan or vegetarian, at least those are basically already your enemies

[@sumeetkumar4320]

I remember watching Alex's speech at a veganism festival where he called out Sam Harris for exactly the same reasons Alex is not a vegan today. He wasn't charitable to Sam and his health reasons for Sam not being a vegan. That video is no longer available on YT. Anywho, I wish you the best and thank you for the positive effect you have had on my and my friends' lives.

[@rl7012]

Is that the Sam Harris who said he didn't care if Hunter Biden had pictures of dead kids in his basement on his laptop?

[@mariolis]

He realised he was wrong , and now he has changed his mind I think this is a sign of growth , and not of hypocricy , which I assume you mean

[@rl7012]

@@mariolis Vegans are worse than the trans community for not forgiving anyone who leaves their cult.

[@phearz0r]

@@mariolis he's still extremely wrong (especially claiming that anything that is found in animal foods can be obtained from plants) and has a long way to go

[@funcionalidadvegana3637]

@@mariolis How was he wrong? He was not. He is wrong now and that is why he "presumably" deleted this video. In other occasions where he was actually wrong about something and changed his mind he didn't delete the video where he was wrong.

[@MariusMitrache]

All the vitriol you got is messed up. Big time! I'm vegan, I've been vegan for 5 years, also a bodybuilder which means I play nutrition on "very hard" and as you, I have gastrointestinal issues that precede veganism. I have allergies that force me from time to time to do an elimination diet of an already vegan diet, which is getting from "very hard" to "nightmare mode" but I do it, and not once did I ever though about giving up on animals. More so, I also competed and achieved great results against people with no limitations. I certanly don't see the reason in your decision, but never the less, how people tribalised on this issue is just sad. You could and still can solve whatever problem you have within the confinements of the vegan diet. I would never abandon a cause I believe in for trivial reasons. You issue is not new, you had it before, it's not because the the vegan diet, therefore it's ilogic to come back to something that didn't work in the past. A fodmap diet or an elimination diet is not exclusive to the carnivore diet. You can experiment within the vegan diet and win this, as I do! Cheers mate! Hope you get better! 🤜🏼🤛🏼

[@CausallyExplained]

He is a disingenuous person, just playing the victim card for sympathy. I'm surprised his viewers can't see through his BS.

[@oliverlow2474]

Skimming through some of the replies to your community post, I’m starting to realise that the online vegan community may not be the nicest group…

[@deanbilly9073]

Seriously, it’s really putting me off being vegan

[@knutthompson7879]

I have learned there are quite a few vegans that are simply not worth having in your life. I suppose this is not unlike some other groups. They are not helping the cause for sure.

[@earthysophie]

I can understand that but ideally you’d still decide off the arguments, not a few bad eggs

[@vitallink4830]

Nicer than working in a slaughterhouse that's for sure.

[@knutthompson7879]

@@earthysophie Speaking for myself, I’ll decide my own choices based on what is important to me and my understanding of the issues. It is another question entirely whether I want to associate with a group of people or not, even if our decisions on certain topics are similar.

[@dragonite1986]

All the best Alex! I have struggled with some of the problems you described as well and can relate 100%. I know how frustrating, conflicted, and disempowering it feels. Give yourself permission to focus on yourself. Get better above all else. You have done so much good for the world, now give yourself the same kindness.

[@Junosensei]

I also have severe IBS and gluten intolerance (not allergy). When you convinced me to go vegan, I talked to my doctor, who referred me to a nutricianist because I already was struggling with eating healthy. After some attempts and an overall increase in some areas of my health, my nutricianist quickly asked me to compromise my veganism and switch over to a pescatarian diet: seafood and animal products, but no non-seafood animal meat. Much like you, the limits of my lifestyle and work prevent me from being around a kitchen to cook, so I often have to rely on frozen dinners, veggies and fruits. I also suffer from mental health issues, so it is much more crucial that my diet help me function daily. Ultimately, I still hope to one day become full vegan, but until then, I'm not. It kinda feels validating to see you join me, albeit in a selfish way. I wish you the best!

[@tradehut2782]

Fish has mercury. Not something you should eat everyday

[@Junosensei]

@@tradehut2782 - If I had the money to afford fish every day, I'd be set for life, honestly. Lol In other words, you can rest easy knowing fish is only once or twice a week, when I do eat it. I mostly stick with seafood in general.

[@lisao6928]

I was a strict vegan for a long time, but now I consume some fish and pasture raised eggs, if they're certified humane. I feel weird about it sometimes, but I feel a bit healthier.

[@jenm1]

I have celiac disease too and veganism isn't a problem. Struggled with IBS-like symptoms a lot in the past. This isn't an excuse.

[@jenm1]

@@lisao6928 If you cared about health and ethics, you'd just eat bivalves. Eggs and fish are a bs cogdis you convince yourself of that you're being ethical when those are some of the most harm-causing foods out there.

[@JZWPikaNozna]

I won't pretend it was not disheartening. You were possibly the main reason I went vegan. Even though I always valued your content on phylosophical matters more, the cognitive dissonance video really spoke to me. I was angry for a moment, but I knew it wouldn be wise to write anything with emotions being the main factor driving me. And here I am. Where I stand now is that I am still grateful you helped me make the change. Because all your previous arguments still make sense. And I feel sorry for you having sort of explain yourself here. Must be tough. Take care Alex.

[@trillion1124]

What’s more disheartening are the disgusting comments the vegans sent to Alex. They’re on the same level as the radical religious people and ironically, most vegans are atheists.

[@ZSC-hx2hy]

I went from vegetarian to vegan in 2020 due to Alex O'Connor. But that's ok, Alex. You may have reverted on your position but I am going strong. I am a pharmacist and pursuing medicine, I have taken graduate level biochemistry (I feel fairly knowledgeable in biochemical and physiological processes), and my partner and I are doing the same without animal products (and have been for years) - no food items, no feathers, no wool, etc. It is possible, numerous clinical studies show the benefits nutritionally, and good luck with your IBS.

[@avivastudios2311]

What was his best argument? Cause none of them convinced me.

[@dariusjohn7581]

Such empathy. Nice to see that here 👏

[@markvon9727]

"It's okay to eat fish 'Cause they don't have any feelings" -Nirvana

[@GRAHFMETAL]

I'm one of the people that has become an advocate because of you and for what it's worth I do not feel betrayed or upset in the least. Thank you for the update and stay strong, friend

[@ataraxia7439]

What is your icon pic?

[@GRAHFMETAL]

@@ataraxia7439 Grahf, one of the main antagonists from Xenogears on PS1 as painted by Jake Murray

[@t0fu_G]

You're a Vegan apologist 🤡

[@fruitsalad7611]

@GrahfMetal His future victims who are forced to die in slaughterhouses feel betrayed.

[@Assassin99584]

@@fruitsalad7611 victim tho Hypocrite

[@lukaslambs5780]

I’m really sorry for all you’re going through personally, be it a result of health issues and social media. Feel better Alex! Thanks for all the thought provoking content and for always advocating for reasoning, tolerance and kindness!

[@robertarnold6192]

This was obviously a painful moment for you. Proud of your honesty and continued compassion. Whatever happens, you’re greatly appreciated by many, and it’s good that you’re staying healthy.

[@macrumpton]

As a vegetarian, and on again off again, vegan for the last 25 years, I can understand where you're coming from. The times that I slip back to eating cheese or breakdown and say "OK I'll have the pancakes, even though they have eggs in them" are almost inevitably times when the rest of my life is overwhelming me. My unsolicited advice is to do the best you can to do the least harm you can. If that means falling off the wagon for a while, then don't let that stop you from climbing back on when you are ready. Be as kind to yourself and others as you can.

[@Black-Circle]

You're not a vegan if you're eating meat in between. I highly doubt there are many strict 20-30 yr vegans about.

[@Rezc0]

@@Black-Circle But you would however be mainly plant-based. Again being vegan is a lifestyle that inherits a plant based diet.

[@Black-Circle]

@@Rezc0 eating eggs and fish isnt vegan. Thats the point. People claim vegan and they’ve been eating fish eggs milk for years. Long term vegans dont exist. Hence why people quit

[@macrumpton]

​@@Black-Circle I haven't eaten meat in 25 years. My wife hasn't eaten meat in 35 years. I stopped eating eggs and cheese regularly about 7 years ago and will occasionally will have a slice of pizza or pancakes when I am eating out and there is no vegan alternatives. I know plenty of 25year+ vegans who are far stricter than I.

[@Black-Circle]

@@macrumpton thats not vegan tho. I highly doubt you are strong and muscley. More likely frail and grey hair grey skin. Lying about your health as well

[@Artoosa]

Go to a plant based gastrointerologist and nutritionist please. If you care about animals. Not once did you mention them, also you are actively supporting factory farms with your choices. Please be honest with yourself.

[@cattheveganartist]

Exactly! That would have been my very first port of call if I’d experienced this. Certainly not a GP - given how little (of any) nutritional training they ever get.

[@Artoosa]

​​​​@@cattheveganartist I've been through similar situation as him. I developed SIBO on a plant based diet, and had all the symptoms he was mentioning + more, I went to a plant based gastrointerologist and they diagnosed me with it and also found out I had a generalized Digestive disorder (I get IBS-like symptoms). I'm definitely not as wealthy as him, but I knew my well being could suffer a bit until I could save up for treatment. Now I'm doing perfectly fine and have the tools to deal with my flare ups. The alternative is not worth the suffering torture and death of animals. It just leads me to conclude he was never vegan.

[@cattheveganartist]

@@Artoosa exactly! That is why Vegans are upset with him. The fact that he’s apologising to Vegans says it all. WE are not his victims - THEY are: the animals.

[@daviddeida]

Sacrificing health for an ideology is irrational and unethical

[@User-bl5cw]

If eating human babies ameliorated your IBS, would you do that? If not, that would be you sacrificing your health for an ideology.

[@daviddeida]

​@@User-bl5cw I dont have IBS.Human babies dont ameliorate IBS.If they did of course.If an animal was starting to devour your loved one and you had the means to kill it,would you do it?.

[@User-bl5cw]

@@daviddeidaDo you understand what the word “if” means?

[@daviddeida]

@@User-bl5cw Yes I do,and answered your question using if .Now are you going to answer my question honestly ,or cower ?

[@rusokana3642]

I don’t think you can be unethical to yourself.

[@ammonite400]

I respect you a lot for your honesty. It’s very difficult to own up to mistakes and to change your mind on something you were very sure about in the past. Good for you for not being pressured into sharing details of your personal life when you don’t want to. Best of luck to you, especially with your health.

[@talks2squirrels953]

I am so sorry about this. You deserve as much compassion as the animals. Kindness and love is supposed to be the heart of the movement. The community can be it's own worse enemy. Sending lots of love and compassion.

[@SavingSoulsMinistries]

Jesus saved my wretched soul Hallelujah praise God

[@konrTF]

The animals are being murdered and need advocating for and Alex has IBS.. which many people deal with on a plant-based diet every day. Not similar.

[@MrPickles2009]

I really admire your honesty Alex! I’m not a vegan but in watching your videos I have drastically cut down my consumption of animal products. I now will often times choose vegan or vegetarian options at restaurants. At home I have started experimenting with cooking tasty food that is totally vegan. You were the main influence for these changes in my lifestyle, so thank you!

[@BrianGay57]

Same here. I’ve cut WAY back on my animal product consumption, in large part because of his advocacy. I’ve never heard of any of the people attacking him now. They are only hurting their cause, pushing away possible converts. That’s what fundamentalism can do.

[@mikolmisol6258]

I think it's important not to think in absolutes here. If everyone drastically reduced their consumption of meat, the total amount of animal suffering would plummet. Of course, our ultimate goal is to reduce unnecessary animal suffering to the lowest level possible, but taking meaningful steps towards that goal is admirable in and of itself.

[@UraniumFractal]

@@mikolmisol6258 If serial killers decided to half the number of people they murder, there would be less murder in the world. Does that somehow make it ethical?

[@agentdarkboote]

​@@UraniumFractal not at all, but it would be a better world nonetheless. From a practical point of view, gradual change is the way it's going to work for most people. Patience, compassion and being welcoming: That is how to make people feel open to changing. Thinking in absolutes is how you scare them away and make us seem like a cult. You are vegan because of your compassion. It can be immensely frustrating to see people seemingly intentionally not getting the point, but I promise compassion is again your best friend.

[@UraniumFractal]

@@agentdarkboote We don’t coddle and sympathise with serial killers than ‘only’ kill 2 or 3 people. If someone is doing something immoral, they have no justification to act offended when someone calls them out on their bullshit.

[@JosBroder]

I have followed you for many years. I am so sorry to hear that you are struggling physically and mentally. Please take care of yourself. Those who are bringing down the proverbial hammer on you don’t represent the majority of us who love and respect you, no matter where you come out on this issue.

[@serversurfer6169]

Frankly, Alex was looking pretty rough. I’m glad he decided to start taking care of himself. 💜

[@RandomAmbles]

He's hurting people because it's not easy not to. I can love and respect him while still thinking that's a messed-up thing to do. He's sick, in one way or another, and needs help, not vitriol. But he's causing others pain and suffering, knowingly and avoidably, and I simply cannot excuse that as if no-one is getting hurt. The separation of his system of philosophy from his lived life is an indication that something has gone wrong. He seems to want to keep his philosophy while living contrary to it. This is definitely a "let he without sin cast the first stone" situation. I bought Cheetos after deciding I would eat a vegan diet. I think most of us have realized that something we've been consuming after we became vegan had something non-vegans in it. None of us are perfect. We've all made mistakes. The question is how best to respond. Vitriol is unlikely to help. If we look at it consequentially, what option of response ought we pick? I'd like to propose we organize a fund to pay for the purchase and delivery of a full vegan diet to Cosmic Skeptic, to both let him know he's loved and to help him live as he would wish he could, according to the philosophy he himself has articulated. I believe this represents the best possible outcome. Rather than knock him down, let's hold him up.

[@Luftgitarrenprofi]

​@@RandomAmbles Pretty sure he's more than fine financially. He also has nutritionists and a vegan doctor among his patreons and youtube friends. Given his incomplete and reactionary (focusing on the minority of bad vegans instead of engaging with the good ones) public statement and his more recent behavior (even just talking to someone like the Peterson daughter), chances are he's just never asked for help on this matter.

[@ianredfearn5574]

Thanks for your honesty and integrity Alex. I truly hope you're getting the help and support for your mental health issues. Don't be alone on that journey.

[@benh6737]

Honesty would also mean telling us what he has been eating exactly. Integrity would mean for him to contact a plant based doctor and make simple adjustments. Integrity would also mean to address the constructive feedback he has received instead of focusing on the insults.

[@janieswanson2549]

@@benh6737 Honestly it's not anyone's business what he eats, which doctor he sees, or what he focuses on in the comments. Everyone here uses animal products needlessly. No point in having a witch trial just because he is doing what is right for him.

[@benh6737]

@@janieswanson2549 If it isn’t your business, then stop commenting. Alex knows better

[@janieswanson2549]

@@benh6737 Good to see you have nothing to refute what I typed and are reduced to wanting me silenced. I accept your concession.

[@benh6737]

@@janieswanson2549 The only argument you keep on pushing by leaving THOUSANDS of comments on vegan related content, (needless harm) has already been refuted countless times. So, you can cope with whatever narrative fits you the most, i don't really care...

[@marcusfinlayson7215]

It was right not to give too many personal details. People won’t always treat sensitive info sensitively so that was a smart move. You have my support Alex.

[@joshwarrey3728]

Funny how the only detail that was really only needed was did he see a medical doctor and he deliberately didn't mention it. What a cosmical joke

[@elijahp9424]

@@joshwarrey3728 yeah you are probably entitled to know that 🙄

[@joshwarrey3728]

@@elijahp9424 "did he consult a medical doctor, yes or no?" If yes, then everyone would have been more understanding. If no, then he has shown how he himself is not as logical as he likes to claim. We don't need to know who the doctor was or for what specific medical condition, just that he actually sought professional expert advice. But sure, he doesn't share that with his audience, it sure would help his credibility in other matters.

[@palesgensler3099]

@@joshwarrey3728 His medical history is private, and you are not entitled to it. If she wants to share his medical history, he can do that but not everybody feels comfortable doing the style.

[@joshwarrey3728]

@@palesgensler3099 we don't need to know his medical history. Knowing that he sought medical advice is not the same as knowing his medical history. Stop making strawman. You do know that his argument for veganism was "extraordinary harm requires extraordinary justification". So far, he has no extraordinary justification presented. Convenience is not an extraordinary justification.

[@noradlark167]

Not trying to sound a smart-ass but, have you tried hiring a professional dietician?

[@Crazycorn2]

You mean like the ex vegen celebrities?

[@tomlauris]

A professional dietitian worth his certification would have told him to eat animal products again.

[@Born2EditHD]

If you need to hire a dietician to be healthy with your voluntary dietary restrictions then you probably shouldn't have those dietary restrictions.

[@HillbillyYEEHAA]

Alex, I had ibs before veganism too. I've also got celiacs. I was vegan for 4 years and it nearly killed me. This is what annoys me about a lot of vegans, they push veganism like it will cure any health issue. I tried every variation of veganism that I could "tolerate" and everything just made me worse.I inflamed myself for 4 years because VEGANS kept telling me to keep going, that is get better..I didn't. VEGANS need to stop lying. People like us will also not absorb nutrients like the average healthy person. So deficiency is a high possiblity. No doubt they'll be people who comment you have done it wrong, because I got that for months.

[@tylersphillips]

Alex's content has been the ONLY thing that has made me shift more toward a plant-based diet. As always, it is fact and philosophy based, without being preachy. I would love to see a poll on the channel to see how many people have experienced this type of change because of Alex. What he does for his own health won't change the mountain of information on the topic that he has given me.

[@donquixote8462]

Too bad it's all lies. Not that Alex is lying, I think he's a very honest person from the way he handled this, but the studies are all lies. He's repeating cleverly devised falsehoods. Plants are generally and overwhelmingly indigestible to humans. Many of the nutrients they claim to have cannot be absorbed because of insoluble fiber, oxilates and defense chemicals. Plants do not want to be eaten, and they cannot run away, unlike animals. So they have anti-nutrients which stop you from digesting them. Leafy greens are a particularly ridiculous proposition. Ruminants eat leaves. They have four stomachs. We have one. They clearly have the tracts to digest the leaves and greenery, we do not. (A huge part of the reason humans developed IBS, but since we're so conditioned against thinking plants could be the problem because we've been told countless times they're healthy, Alex cannot see this is indeed the cause of IBS, and a host of other autoimmune disorders) That's why all those nutrients they claim to have, are absorbed by the animal and then we eat the animal. This makes the nutrients extremely bioavailable to us, which they absolutely are not in plants. And by the way, there is no environmental argument for veganism. It's all lies too. Traditional regenerative farming fixes all the problems with modern industrial animal raising. And monocrop farming for pesticide laden, phytoestrogen-filled non-human food, displaces and kills untold numbers of animals. Permanently, mind you. Regenerative farming let's wildlife live in it's natural habitat.

[@Shadare]

Veganism doesn't work for me either, but I don't think that should change anyone else's outlook on their diet if it's working for them. Not being universally applicable doesn't constitute any serious threat to the actual philosophy of veganism, imo. You do you!

[@rebelresource]

@@Shadare why are there so many scientific analysis against a mass veganistic diet not really being sustainable for our planet?

[@frederikkurstein3878]

@@rebelresource What are some of these scientific analysis' you are speaking of?

[@rebelresource]

@@frederikkurstein3878 jumbo jumbo 123

[@Vegan4TheAnimals2023]

You might as well have the shits and not kill animals in the process instead of having the shits and killing animals in the process too…

[@Crazycorn2]

You always kill animals whether you are vegan or not.

[@lilo_920]

The point is that he feels worse on a vegan diet and struggles to get the nutrition he needs. Who could blame him for choosing the diet that gives him a better quality of life?

[@HelenEk7]

When you have IBS it helps to avoid fiber. guess which foods contain no fiber whatsoever.. How vegans can choose animals over their own health is beyond me.

[@EJproductionsxD]

I don't want to throw any hate at cosmic skeptic at all, I am just curious at how he talks about how 'not easy' it is to be vegan. He lives in the UK right? I live in Denmark but have family in the UK and it always feels like a complete haven of almost infinite options of plantbased foods compared to Denmark. I guess, from my perspective, UK seems to be such an easy place to be vegan and eat healthily.

[@Easy.Stocks.arabic.english]

Because your body needs meat, your body is designed to eat meat, it doesn’t matter where you live, it’s always better to eat meat

[@mnpa6154]

This is all quite bizarre. The biggest gap in reasoning (or lack of explanation) I can see here is that some key points from the community post were just ignored altogether -- a reconsideration of his ethical stance on eating animals (does he no longer think it is unethical to exploit a sentient being when it's unnecessary?), and the effectiveness of an individual boycott in effecting change. On the former point, given his previous, iron-clad arguments on the ethics of exploiting other persons (and all such arguments from multiple philosophers), I would be really confused as to how he could reconsider this. This would be equivalent to reconsidering the arguments for God and the supernatural without any new evidence -- they are and will always be poor arguments, unless you can bring some new evidence to support one of the currently absurd premises. Then on the latter point, not believing in an individual boycott seems like an ad hoc rationalization, as individual vegan consumers are the entire reason we have even come as far as we have, with big supermarket and fast-food chains in many countries having a wide selection of faux meats and dairy. Supply and demand are the fundamental forces in a consumer economy, and this is especially true with goods and services that we purchase multiple times every single day. Sure, one's individual ability to effect change in e.g. the automobile industry will be limited since one only engages with the industry a few times (if ever) in one's lifetime. But the food industry is probably the industry where consumers wield the greatest power. But then also, the entire premise of if one is eating an already inadequate diet (one meal per day), it is better to eat animal products, seems quite flimsy. In a survival situation I could see that (in which case, even then it wouldn't really conflict with the vegan philosophy). But for a relatively well-off person in a Western country -- from what I've seen of what KZbinrs make, I assume someone with 500K subscribers will be financially quite stable -- it seems it would be perfectly practicable to 'find a way', e.g. consult professionals, buy supplements, etc. I can definitely understand that if one has a very shaky relationship with food like with IBS, then perhaps in some situations while out of the house where it was most convenient to eat (e.g. during a speaking event), it would be justifiable to just eat whatever was available and not going to cause undue suffering from the medical condition (but again, I think this would fall under 'necessary' and would therefore not really be anti-vegan). But if one is specifically seeking out animal products like when doing normal grocery shopping, as seems to be the case here, I don't think this argument has any bearing on the ethics. So again, it would fall back to the points that were ignored -- has he reconsidered the ethics of exploiting animals without necessity?

[@NelemNaru]

> _has he reconsidered the ethics of exploiting animals without necessity?_ Did you not watch the video? It was crystal clear to me the answer to this is obviously: No, he hasn't. He's still of the same philosophy. The only thing that changed is the necessity part. "Necessity" is subjective to every person's experience and situation. He unwillingly accepts the necessity in his case. But you don't want to acknowledge that, or claim that it isn't a necessity for him (without having enough context of his personal situation to make that judgment).

[@mnpa6154]

@@NelemNaru Yes, I did watch the video quite carefully. His thesis was not one of necessity, but practicability -- that's an important distinction. Eating meat is not even 'non-vegan' when it's necessary, according to the fundamental philosophy. Eating meat is rarely necessary for a middle-class person in a Western country, even when it's impractical. However, intertwined with practicability is the fundamental ethics. Though before I even get into that, I would just remind you of his own previous statement: "I have been re-evaluating my ethical position on eating animals..." So to say "obviously, no he hasn't" is a big stretch. He did not address this directly, which was my entire point. He was explicit about maintaining ethical opposition to factory farming, but not other forms of animal exploitation, after suggesting in his community post that his views on the ethics have changed. Now with 'practicability'. As you have insinuated but with 'necessity' in its place, practicability is extremely subjective. However, how much practicability one is willing to sacrifice is proportional to the consequences. For example, most people would stop at nothing to save the life of a loved one; less to save the life of a stranger. However, when the idea in question is not one of choosing or not choosing to save someone's life, but choosing or not choosing to exploit someone (especially someone unknown to you), often we have much higher bars for deciding whether or not something is practicable. And when you introduce inherent speciesism, the bar goes even higher. For example, no matter how tricky a diet is to make work around medical restrictions, I suspect most people would stop at nothing to find a way to make it work if it was a choice between killing and eating farmed human beings and not doing so. So in the context of 'if I'm only eating one meal a day, it's easier if it's animal flesh', it would be less palatable to make that justification for setting the bar in that particular place if you were considering eating human flesh. So yes, the fundamental ethics (exploiting animals specifically) are still the root issue, since practicability is not a solid brick wall like absolute necessity is. So yes, again it comes down to issues he raised in his community post but didn't address here. "I have been re-evaluating my ethical position on eating animals" In what sense? What is the threshold of practicability (not necessity) for when it is ok to exploit another sentient being, including taking their life? "I am no longer convinced of the appropriateness of an individual-focused boycott in responding to these problems" For what reasons, since consumer boycott is at the heart of this issue and has been extremely successful in this and other causes? I am not claiming anything about his situation, as you have asserted. I am simply pointing out that this didn't really answer anything of substance, hence my opening with 'this is all quite bizarre'. To be clear, he doesn't owe anybody any explanation for how he lives his own life, as none of us do. However, he chose to write the community post, and to 'elaborate' on it in this video. I am simply pointing out that both have said not much (rational) at all.

[@masaku88]

Thank you so much for being so open and honest. I found myself in a similar situation after three years of being vegan (and absolutely loving it) after gallbladder removal surgery. I became unable to digest fruits, vegetables, or legumes without having to rush to a bathroom. I had to give up my vegan diet and I literally hate it. I'm stuck and it sucks. I don't want to eat animal products but I can't eat much else without having issues. I miss veganism and I try from time to time and I always end up very sick (due to my inability to digest most foods and newly diagnosed IBS) I sincerely hope you find a balance that supports your gut health better ❤

[@paulerlandson5777]

Sorry to hear about your experience with that. Sounds really frustrating. Best of luck

[@Sammie551]

He did make me go vegan but I gave in few months before he did For the same reason, how ironic

[@rebeccabriggs2982]

Veganism kills more animals usually than eating more carnivore. If I were to only eat beef I'd be responsible for 1-2 lives a year but if I eat all plants it'd be loads more. People who operate those harvesters have shared the extent of all the animals who get killed.

[@rosiejones6692]

Hope your IBS improves and you feel better 💚 thanks for being so honest.

[@maxinev.1841]

He's only honest with how much of a sob story he wanted to portray. And for most of his followers it worked. And the animals lose like always.

[@TechyBen]

The entire point of understanding what we "should" do is also about understanding what we "can" do. So I hope you are able to grow and progress without being too hard on yourself. Thanks for your videos and perspectives!

[@davidgomes4383]

This isn't about what Alex could - or could not do. He had literally a top patreon supporter that is a meal-planning expertise plant-based nutritionist. If Alex wanted to - he would. He just didn't want to. The problem is putting "practability" as a need. It wasn't a need, but a want. Alex doesn't oppose the killing, abuse and exploit of non-human animals.

[@LorcaLoca]

He could go ask a nutritionist for help with his health issues. He is surrounded by people who would be willing to help.

[@veryfitting]

It's pretty selfish for vegans who don't have health issues to speak so aggressively to a man who's so kind to them and clearly caring to as many as possible. You can't please everyone and honestly, philosophy can break the mind sometimes. It put me further into depression, when I realised that being fixed on philosophy was harming me I took a step back, I really don't understand why this is so controversial for him to do

[@LorcaLoca]

@@veryfitting It's also pretty selfish to kill sentient beings and eat their flesh because you are too "mentally ill" to seek help for your diet problems.

[@jaihalai7674]

@@davidgomes4383 The meal planner can’t account for IBS or IBD flare ups no matter how hard they try - they’d have to systematically go through each food type for multiple weeks at a time to test which foods triggered inflammation. Coupled with how mental health severely affects likelihood of flare ups, it’s very difficult as someone who does eat plant based and has Ulcerative Colitis to be callous to his suffering. Meal planners can help with, but by the nature of what Alex said - it screamed eating disorder to me. Restrictive diets are detrimental to people with eating disorders - inherently so. I would seriously reconsider the position you have out of empathy for people with eating disorders, Bowel Diseases and for general mental health issues

[@cameronbethea123]

Unfortunately we didn’t evolve as herbivores. A well planned vegan diet in a modern setting is viable, but it can be incredibly challenging to make it work for a multitude of reasons. Do the best that you can.

[@OceanKeltoi]

Frustrating to hear about this experience, man. I saw your post and thought it was honorable of you to be honest in a situation where you didn't necessarily have to be. I think it's good to recognize your own challenges and be up front about them. I think even from a philosophical angle, once you're further away from this experience, it might be worth examining these kind of challenges from a philosophical angle. You're correct that from an outsider's perspective, the response looks rough, and doesn't exactly inspire others to get involved. You've done a lot for the vegan community, and that contribution getting met with such venom when you, as you admit, falter from your own standards, is ridiculous. I hope you keeping yourself safe mentally and physically. I've lately been very appreciative of your argumentation and your personal challenges don't invalidate that argumentation nor your advocacy against factory farming. Be well, I hope this storm is short-lived and that your new content does well.

[@bdnnijs192]

From an insider perspective, which Alex pushed untill recently, a lot of vitrol is deserved. Alex goes from condemning [deeply immoral act] to partaking in [deeply immoral act] for reasons that may not be a strict necessity.

[@janieswanson2549]

@@bdnnijs192 The most ironic thing is that everyone watching his videos or commenting partake [supposed immoral act] in using animal products just like he does. Why is it okay for you to do it while calling it an immoral act while it isn't okay for others?

[@bdnnijs192]

@@janieswanson2549 I don't think eating meat is wrong. Alex did and shared that opinion freely. From that position vitrol is deserved.

[@janieswanson2549]

@@bdnnijs192 Thanks for agreeing with me that everyone here upset about him making a positive change doesn't practice what they preach therefore absolving Alex of doing the same thing. I accept your concession.

[@JaneiSwonsan-rn3mg]

Veganism is a moral obligation, i see it now

[@egorgorelyy6109]

Hey Alex, your meat eaters guide to veganism video introduced me to veganism whereas I otherwise was predisposed against it. I appreciate your transparency with this video and all the content you have put out over the years. Thank you.

[@michaelkossin2765]

This is the opposite of transparency. He's willing to bring up IBS as a vague suggestion of why he "can't" be vegan, but all of a sudden it becomes "private" before he gets to actually explaining why that prevents him from being vegan, which is the only reason he supposedly brought it up in the first place? How does that seem honest or open to anyone?

[@thr333stars]

@@michaelkossin2765 Being reactionary irrational clown is very positive influence on your life i'm sure of that

[@Stefania.Ferrario]

This is anything but transparent.

[@rektdev5397]

u fkn slave

[@giombergervosa9698]

​@@michaelkossin2765 maybe he does not want to bring it up because it's non of your f***ing business, or mine for that matter...

[@Midnightskiddo]

First of all; I hope that your mental and physical health issues get treated well Alex. Your honesty and integrity is appreciated; you made me consider veganism and your latest update does not discourage me at all. Hope you get back on track as soon as possible, best wishes and all the support!

[@praxisdragon]

As someone who gave him lots of hate because he is directly causing the mass suffering of hundreds of thousands by using his platform so recklessly I stand by every characterization. Hope he decided to evolve a moral compass or concern for others outside of himself someday. Thank you for featuring my comment Alex!

[@tobiasyoder]

@@praxisdragon Would you have him no longer be vegan and not saying anything about it? Perhaps that's the right thing to do from a utilitarian perspective but it think most vegans are more deontologists

[@arcadiagreen150]

​@@praxisdragon ideologue

[@JD-wu5pf]

@@praxisdragon Commenting on KZbin because nobody wants to talk to you in real life is praxis, right? Fuck off, kid. Adults are talking.

[@tennicksalvarez9079]

That a good way to put it

[@torioco]

As many have already stated, our viewpoints are very different; but I am always excited when you upload because you are so genuine. I really learn a lot from listening to your perspectives. You have my support & I hope you are able to focus on healing whatever struggles you alluded to in this video.

[@kronos4136]

The most nutritional dense food is a pasture raised egg. Any egg ! I eat cheese, butter, red meat (pasture raised grass finished) unpasteurised cheese and a ton of mixed salad leaf. I eat once a day and have a job where I walk 12 miles a day most days. I'm 61 years old and have zero medical issues. I have eaten this way for over 20 years. See Dr Eric Berg for ideas on your health problems Good luck kid sounds like you deserve some nutritionally good food.

[@GospodinStanoje]

Thanks for making this video. I hope you'll get better. I would have one question. A hypothetical. What if you new that a "Lion Diet" would cure your mental health problems and completely cure your IBS? Would you switch to Lion Diet? What would be your thought process at that point? How would you weigh that out? I'm not saying here that it would happen or that you should eat only meat or anything like that(you've convinced m, over the year,s of the moral argument about veganism), but am wondering what would happen. On one hand you have your well-being maximized which is definitely not nothing. Like you would be able to live your life in the truest meaning. To go with friends and not think about all of those things. You would feel happier and maybe you'd achieve even more. You'd be calmer for all these reasons. Imagine even never having a brain-fog. I'm not sure where would I put human brainpower of the scale compared to animal suffering. Human brain power is the thing that can radically change anything almost. I'm not telling you to do a Lion Diet, or that this would happen, this is just a hypothetical that I'm quite curious to hear your answer to. I don't think that you operating on 80% of your brain capacity is worth not killing animals. There I said it. I sincerely believe that you are a Nikola Tesla of philosophy and I mean it. You have that potential. You are absolutely the most logical person I've ever came across both in person and on the internet. By far. And I'm not saying this lightly. This is a philosophical question, that's why I'm writing it. I hope everything ends well for you. Greetings from Serbia. :)

[@SuperAwesomedude20]

I think if anyone’s operating 80% of their max with plant based that i morally wouldn’t recommend it either. However, I think research is pretty clear that most people can not only survive but THRiVE with at least mostly plant based diet(if not exclusive). I’m not vegan, just mostly plant based

[@GospodinStanoje]

@@SuperAwesomedude20 I'm saying this because Alex himself said in the video that - Yes in principle it is possible, but it so much more difficult that most people are going to operate on lower percentages of their brainpower simply due to unattainable level of nutrition science you have to know and then use everyday to obtain optimal health. People are mostly unhealthy in terms of nutrition even when they're not vegans. And expecting everyone to be diligently committed to know about every single nutrient and then get every single one of it is ridiculous. Alex is a Philosopher who graduated at Oxford and even he himself has problems "planning it out". Can I really expect an *average person* be better than Alex? For example, I'm a Linux enthusiast, but I am completely aware that even if Windows is mostly a spyware, people won't just magically start using Linux since *it is more difficult* to set up usual things that people use. In principle it is possible to set everything up. I have. My friends have. But for an average person... I really cannot expect him use Free Software even if that will have an impact on human rights.

[@SuperAwesomedude20]

@@GospodinStanoje yeah but it seems like Alex did have extraordinary health issues. What I'm trying to say is plant-predominant whole-food diet is easier to plan than other diets no? I literally follow the "eat food, not too much, mostly plants" motto. it seems a lot less restrictive than Keto or Carnivore?

[@SuperAwesomedude20]

ofc first thing is first, health comes first. I recommend the diet it takes to maintain health weight and energy first

[@scottfleck2223]

Alex, you were one of the clearer voices that helped me process my thoughts and feelings when I was deconstructing. Coming out of religion, I started to notice lots of patterns in all sorts of ideologies. I would say when I deconstructed, your content helped me deconstruct from ideology itself rather than one specific religion. Though I’m not a vegan myself, I really felt it when you said you hoped people wouldn’t view veganism differently because of the vitriol that you have received. I felt it because for a long time, I’ve been noticing that the types of groups who advocate their righteousness the loudest, also have some of the most insidious and despicable behavior saved for the people who don’t “toe the line”. The very people who claim to be the most caring, often have the most potent venom made special for the ones who deviate in their eyes. For me, I can look past that and take the arguments for veganism on their own merit. Im glad you have the wisdom to minimize suffering in a way that includes yourself too. To have a perfect moral compass when talking about when it’s ok to eat animal products to stay alive and healthy, we would need a perfect understanding of consciousness and nutrition. I just hope we can all stumble forward together in a more healthy way where we treat eachother with respect first, then extend that respect to every living thing. Cheers man ❤

[@drmartinbartos]

Three quick things in response to your comment: 1) kudos on a thoughtful compassionate response to a thoughtful compassionate honest human being wrestling with the difficulty of setting positive standards for themselves and experiencing the reality that people can’t always / don’t always meet those standards 2) I think there is something quite important in the observation you make about the venom of the (often self-proclaimed) ‘morally superior’ and the patterns of human behaviour in tribes defined by religious or other ideologically purity.. it’s a dangerous and damaging pattern that needs to be observed and called out more. 3) I think the original phrase is “toe the line” - worth a quick Wikipedia look - I think it’s from being ordered to stand exactly behind a line; thought you’d like to know. I guess you maybe live near a river/lake? Funny how phrases have different meanings to people depending on experience - I was discussing more “strings to a bow” with a musician friend and he said it should be “hairs” (thinking of instrument bows) whereas I thought it was bows as in bows-and-arrows.. I haven’t looked up who’s ’right’ - both are interesting imho. (P.s hope all well in your world, good luck with your guitar videos they deserve more views)

[@scottfleck2223]

@@drmartinbartos​Hey thanks for the kind words. I did a quick search on that phrase and I think “toe” is what I meant. Guess I had some image of a bunch of people pulling on a rope really hard and one person decides not to and gets dirty looks 🤣 English is fun.

[@DiahRhiaJones]

@@drmartinbartos Remind me where thoughtful compassion is in throwing another innocent living being into a hell hole slaughterhouse? You clowns are like necrotic flesh. Like what you eat.

[@thingsandso]

You are needed in this world so thank you for putting your physical and mental health first. I have nothing but respect for you.

[@cornsockgabz]

And putting the animals’ lives a much more significant second place, which unfortunately in this analogy, happens to be an utterly unnecessary battle royale of species.

[@amask99]

​@@cornsockgabz Don't you think human health is much more important in that case?

[@calebmanuel17]

@@amask99 👍

[@Kryptic712]

Damn man, those were some venomous comments directed at you. Wish you the best of luck moving forward

[@nosnawseinaj]

Focusing on mean comments and not caring about his murderous ways? Yep, he easily manipulated you. Sad you fell for it.

[@Kryptic712]

@@nosnawseinaj he doesn’t kill people? That would be a crime and illegal, something like that would put him in prison.

[@samuelmelton8353]

@@nosnawseinaj But he himself cares about his 'murderous ways'. He views it as morally wrong to kill animals - he just gets ill from not being able to practicably follow a diet that is vegan and healthy. He is not saying it isn't possible for most, nor that he hasn't made changes he still keeps.

[@alia8474]

@@nosnawseinaj Interesting how showing the vile comments he has received is manipulative

[@DDthesecond]

Alex get yourself tested for celiac disease if you haven’t already, often IBS is misdiagnosed and gluten is actually the problem!

[@whataboutb12]

Shhhh stop making sense you might jeopardize his tasty animal products 😂😂

[@heypeopleitsmatt]

@@whataboutb12 ableism and belittling peoples health issues is still a thing in 2023 i see -_-

[@synscient7446]

@What About B12? It seems like you’re finding it hard to stand in Alex’s shoes, which I guess makes sense because you’re so used to comically large shoes (and rainbow wigs) Good luck!

[@whataboutb12]

@@heypeopleitsmatt is speaking with a nutritionist hard? no? that's what i thought.

[@whataboutb12]

@@synscient7446 cute story. Do you also harm animals like Alex?

[@weaq84]

I was vegetarian for 5 years before turning pescatarian for two years. I then went back to being veggie but honestly feeling a little bit jaded with the whole thing. Content like yours and earthling Ed's helped not only to renew my conviction but also to take the further step to veganism. You are young: I have no doubt that with your curiosity and conscientiousness you will continue to explore this issue and eventually find your own convictions renewed. These things can sometimes take time. I too was very strong in my views early on, and learned from this as well.

[@themudpit621]

Some bodies just can't hack it. It's not about convictions. You can't judge what it's like in another person's skin.

[@weaq84]

@@themudpit621 No judgement from me. I refer to his convictions because in his community post he says this "For quite some time I have been re-evaluating my ethical position on eating animals". I know that in this video he focuses more on the health issues associated with his diet, but I think the two things are related. And he appears to give no definitive renunciation of veganism here, thus leaving the door open for a possible change again.

[@HollyOak]

The ADA was started by Ellen White, a young woman prophetess with the Seventh Day Adventists. Around age 17 she had a brain injury and after had seizures and hallucinations, which she claimed where from god. She said god wanted everyone in the world to be eating a pre-fall diet (vegan) and set about to make that happen. The ADA was set up as a way to push their agenda with a veil of science. There were ties to one of the Kellogg brothers (from the cereal company) and she also came to Australia and set up the Australian Dietetic Association and a big food production company here, called Sanitarium. Because the agenda of the ADA is to push the Seventh Day Adventist religious narrative around diet, they cannot be taken as a proper nutritional educational organisation. If interested, also research the ADA (American) interference in the case around Dr Fettke from Australia, who was reported for telling his patients to change their diets in order to avoid having their feet surgically removed.

[@WalterHartwellWhite119]

If this diet is such a hassle to make it work, how species-appropriate is it? Not only does it require rigorous planning, but you have to ship in different foods from 5 different continents to get the same nutrients as in a regular diet. Respect if you pull it off and save the animals, but don’t claim it’s a moral imperative to do so if people 100 years ago couldn’t healthily be vegans without the massive global infrastructure we have in place today.

[@yoshigottagun]

Hey Alex. I want to start by saying I hope you get through whatever mental issues you're dealing with. As someone with IBD (ulcerative colitis), I understand first hand how mental issues can lead to a vicious cycle with these diseases. With that out of the way I want to thank you for all the engaging entertainment you've brought me over the last year. You've made me think about things I had never thought about before. I believe it was your "The Absolute Worst of Cognitive Dissonance" video that first got me to reconsider vegansim. Truly since watching that video, I've been heavily considering the possibility of veganism and often have felt a moral obligation to do so. This discussion has further challenged me. The next time I visit my GI doctor, I'm going to ask him about swapping to a plant based or at least plant focused diet. In particular I would like to cut off the major factory farmed products, namely beef, pork, poultry, and dairy. I hope you will continue to discuss veganism and your relationship with it in the future, but I understand if you wish to remain silent about it given the threats made against you. Either way I'll be looking forward to whatever comes next. Best wishes. Update: Don't know if anyone will actually read this, but as of April 2024 I've been vegan for 1 month. Nothing crazy, and I put it off a lot longer than I planned initially, but thats me. Anyway, I was just going to try it for a month but after seeing how easy it was to go vegan, I'm thinking of sticking with it long term. I definitely get cravings now and then, but after learning about what vegan options I had and giving them a try, it was pretty easy to just keep choosing those options. Big thanks to reddit and the internet in general as I know literally 0 vegetarians or vegans so figuring out what I could and couldn't eat was a bit of a challenge at first.

[@tionnawilliams1593]

I really wish I had been more aware of the many things that contributed to flare ups from ulcerative colitis. Doctors would just tell me to simply stop using ibuprofen. My condition only got worse resulting in the removal of my entire large intestine. For years I've felt alone in my struggles and to see Alex speak about himself having a similar condition and reading your comment I am crying. Thank you and Alex

[@witch_in_a_wheelchair3050]

@Tionna Williams You're not alone in the slightest 💗 I've got problems with my small intestine. @ShayShitsInTheBag is a great person to follow for content relating to GI issues. They are definitely is great for feeling less alone.

[@emmettdonkeydoodle6230]

I have Crohn’s and, if I’m being honest, I would advise against a vegan diet. It’s not healthy for you long-term (or more specifically, it isn’t conducive to brain health). Although, for short and medium term intervals it can actually significantly improve and reverse certain ailments like heart disease and diabetes. That being said, many of the nutrients you will need to consume are often foods that will likely irritate your illness and the sheer QUANTITY you will have to consume every day is just really dangerous for someone with intestinal issues. I used to be vegan years ago and was told by my doctor that it could kill me and I had to stop. But then again, Crohn’s is pretty severe compared to IBS so you may not have the same obstacles. Just remember your health comes first.

[@emmettdonkeydoodle6230]

@@tionnawilliams1593 Oh G-d I can relate to that. Took so much experimenting for me to realize that greens, nuts, and oils are the BIGGEST causes of flare ups for me. Certain things will cause severe bloating as well.

[@yoshigottagun]

@Emmett DonkeyDoodle Thanks for the advice. I actually have Ulcerative Colitis which presents and has symptoms very similar to Crohn's (just a different part of the intestines being inflamed). I would like to limit my involvement with the wider meat industry mainly so if I so still need to eat meat or diary I would try to source it more ethically.

[@chirongames]

As someone diagnosed with Crohn's (IBD), I can totally empathize with you. It's rare to see a big youtuber discuss their gut issues. Thank you for being so open and honest. I hope you're doing well.

[@Empathy4Animals411]

Yeah, because eating corpses and dairy cow's milk full of hormones and suffering and death will make you the picture of glowing health

[@chirongames]

@@Empathy4Animals411 nice strawman.

[@DiahRhiaJones]

Does having a disease excuse someone for abusing others? (Ill politely wait for the answer)

[@chromaticrain6301]

​@@DiahRhiaJones what a disingenuous comparison to make

[@DiahRhiaJones]

@@chromaticrain6301 You're not the person I asked, but you're free to answer it as well.

[@baomasan]

love you man. I understand. and I'm really sorry for the people who are incapable of understanding your situation.

[@richardreed9166]

The issue is that on the surface it is hard to see what effort you have put in to rectify your health issues. Have you had blood tests to see if you have any deficiencies etc. If not why do you think eating animal products will fix anything? Your making it sound like a healthy plant based diet is a full time job to maintain which is just not true. We're not talking about a trivial issue here therefore the whole 'its not practical ' argument doesn't wash. I would be trying everything I possibly could to stay on a vegan diet. This all being said I can't condone any hateful comments but the truth is you are damaging the movement. Why didn't you just keep quiet about the whole thing, why publicly announce it? All very confusing

[@DrFarazHarsini]

Alex, Thank you for the video and explanation. First, I want to say that I sympathize with your health issues, both physical and mental. Second, I want to reiterate what you said, that there is no excuse for extreme reactions, such as wishing you bad things. Such reactions are unfortunately not unique to vegans. If you decide to become Christian tomorrow, or support certain politicians, you'd get similar reactions. As much as we'd like to think of ourselves as rational beings, we behave emotionally. This is exactly why I waited a few days for my anger to go away before making my video about you, where I also mentioned that I know you didn't say veganism isn't nutritionally adequate. A perspective I'm offering here is about practicability. Practicability goes hand in hand with self-discipline and resilience and how strongly one holds on to their values. The threshold that separates practical vs not practical depends on one's commitment. Talking about practicability, is veganism as easy as not being vegan? Of course not. Not yet. There were many instances where I went to a birthday party and the cake wasn't vegan and I had to refuse to eat. For some people this can be already too much, and impractical! Or times where I went to a nonvegan restaurants with colleagues and my options were limited. Sometimes as everyone else would just go to any restaurant and mindlessly put products obtained from harming animals in the worst imaginable ways in their mouth, I have to google and find vegan friendly restaurants. If I want to not support harming and killing animals, I have to go an extra mile. It's not fair. But I also think what animals go through is not fair! It's definitely easier to litter and trash anywhere than to walk around and find a trash bin. The more one cares about not trashing, the more they're willing to walk to find a bin. So I 100% agree with you. I also acknowledge that for people with conditions and diseases it might be even more challenging to be vegan. I know people who are vegan while being allergic to nuts or soy or suffering from celiac disease. Even when we go to a vegan restaurant their options are limited. But they figured it out. It certainly take a lot more for them to be vegan than me. So I want to be very clear, that by no means I mean your situation is easy. The perspective I'd like to offer is to compare the inconvenience with what animals go through. I don't know about you, but for me, unless someone imprisons me, takes away my freedom and bodily autonomy, and cuts my head off, things we do to all animals eventually, be it "happy" farms or factory farms, being vegan seems easier. Simply put, it's always easier (or more manageable) for us to be vegan than for an animal to get killed. We can always plan better and find a way. Animals don't get that chance. I know you know this! The solution I kindly offer, is to talk to a plant-based dietician or physicians. One of the best gastroenterologists I know actually lives in the UK, certified in both Gastroenterology and General Internal Medicine, who did his specialist training in Oxford. He is a full-time NHS Consultant and a plant-based doctor, and a published author in the field of bowel diseases. I would be more than happy to connect you. Rationally speaking, there is a problem here: it is very difficult for you to be vegan. Now the solution could be going back to not being vegan, or it could be to find a way to make it work, such that you can take care of your health, and live according to your values. Like I mentioned in my last email, becoming a youtuber wasn't easy. You didn't let lack of having good equipment or any other obstacle stop you! Don't tell me it was easy to get 0.5M subscribers. In fact, I argue that for many people it's impractical! It doesn't mean it's impossible. It means that they find it too hard and they give up. You didn't. So why not treating veganism, where your decisions literally dictate who lives and who dies, with the same seriousness and dedication? Why not at least trying to talk to a plant-based physician, take their recommendations, see how you feel, before deciding to going back to your other diet? (For those reading this who don't know, an average physician gets virtually no education on nutrition, diet, and lifestyle changes for preventing and reversing diseases, which is why one would need to talk to a physicians or registered dietician who is educated on plant based nutrition) This might be in fact a great opportunity, because in your own words, the other diet doesn't seem healthy, and might have caused inflammation to begin with (I have actually worked on drug development for inflammatory diseases). Nonetheless, we have to make sure you are ok, and that you receive the best advice and care possible. You can count on my help if there's ever anything I can do to make your life better. Hope that you feel better, and I hope that we find a way to make sure both you and animals are not harmed!

[@McCaffreyPickleball]

♥️♥️

[@maomao180]

If Alex is honest about this he should take up your offer and see a competent plant based doctor/nutritionist.

[@x-latetv-x6816]

@@maomao180 basically he has to be on his death bed before he can eat animals again, why does it have to get to that stage. Utter nonsense if you ask me

[@mnx64]

Honestly, reactions like these from other people just make veganism seem more like a cult. And that cannot be good advertisement. I myself have no stock in either meat nor vegan communities, so obviously none of this I particularly worry about a lot. I do hope you‘re alright and healthy. Even if you cannot live it yourself for various reasons, there can be net benefit from you talking about it.

[@connorgrynol9021]

No kidding. I saw a comment earlier that I presume got deleted for hate speech or something and it was terrifying. It literally sounded like they were in a cult trying to abuse Alex into conformity. I'm not a vegan and probably never will be, but if I ever took up vegetarianism, I would steer clear of the communities to avoid those kinds of people.

[@youtubeKathy]

that American Dietetic Association paper which bears the claim that a vegan diet is appropriate for all stages of life has been expired for a few years now. they have yet to release a new statement paper, but I have seen a response from them that they no longer hold that position and acknowledge it may not be appropriate for the very young, very old, or with other health conditions. my personal experience is that it's not sustainable long term and is by definition, an imbalanced diet.

[@kochcj1]

Thank you for being open about your struggles and for being brave enough to share this. It would have been easier to have just never posted about this change in the first place, but you made the hard decision to not live your life as a hypocrite. As a Christian, I often disagree with the content in your videos, but I respect you so much as a person. And you being willing to work through this publicly rather than living your life as a hypocrite makes me respect you that much more!

[@smifaye]

I've been watching you since before you were vegan and was over the moon when you started your vegan journey. You've done so much to progress the movement and I've always found your videos insightful and meaningful. I'm definitely sad and disappointed to see it hasn't worked for you and truly embarrassed on behalf of the people who have had such a violent response - what a bad look. Talk about compassion! I hope you're doing alright and I look forward to your next project. ❤️

[@henrywalton5967]

I don't agree with the name calling and personal insults but if you're vegan that does not entail compassion. It's just about respecting basic rights through empathy.

[@smifaye]

@@henrywalton5967 what?

[@DiahRhiaJones]

"Talk about a bad look!" Here, let me roll some slaughterhouse footage and we'll all be reminded what we're talking about here while you claim that insults are the "bad look" here. CLOWN!

[@smifaye]

@@DiahRhiaJones ok

[@matthewnateart1668]

The post: "I've reevaluated my ethical position and don't think personal boycott works 🙊" This video: "I just don't understand why ur being mean, I still totally support u guuys"

[@linusgallagher1607]

My comment: Sit down pimple

[@Crazycorn2]

He realised that the vegan community is actually nuts so this is simply damage control.

[@8599nissassA]

He's a coward

[@linusgallagher1607]

@@8599nissassA wow it's the loser who clones accounts. What's up Spanky?

[@8599nissassA]

@@linusgallagher1607 cry even harder turd

[@ricejuice8982]

honestly youre so cool for the honesty. Your content has always been awesome to watch, keep it up!

[@joshjones9878]

If you haven't read it, "The Vegetarian Myth" by Lierre Keith about her 20 year vegan diet and how it wrecked her health and how she came to realise that animals pooping and rotting into the soil is part of the cycle of life without which plants can't exist.

[@User-bl5cw]

"hey everyone read this non-sequitur screed by some moron"

[@samwingender]

As a vegan, I’ll say this, follow your heart. I’ve been plant-based for over 5 years and I feel better than ever. I do bodybuilding and ultramarathons. You were eating 0-700 calories a day? That’s crazy. Try eating calorie dense plant-based foods like; pb&j, avocado toast, cereal with soy milk, oatmeal and so on. Good luck, mate! Love your videos!

[@penchilla1]

Compassion and acceptance are some of the keys to moving forward in some things, and granting yourself some compassion is key to moving forward as a human.

[@karambadodox]

No compassion for the animals he is going to eat though right? Hehe

[@diversitydan235]

@@karambadodox I am sure you are so compassionate. How much slave labor and abuse of the global south do you partake in every day?

[@marcoscramer]

In January 2016 I decided to go vegan. Two weeks later, I walked past a seafood restaurant advertising mussels, which made me think about the capability of bivalves to feel suffering. I found a blog about bivalveganism, i.e. the practice of not using animal products other than bivalves. The blog (which I unfortunately can't find anymore) presented some good scientific arguments for the claim that bivalves - just like plants - can't feel suffering, so I decided to go bivalvegan instead. I only eat bivalves very rarely, so mostly I self-describe as vegan, as the difference is very small in my case and often does not feel relevant. But for someone who like Alex wants to minimize animal suffering but has difficulties implementing a strictly vegan diet, I would strongly recommend trying out bivalveganism. It might be just as good as veganism in avoiding unnecessary suffering and might be more easily workable for at least some of the people interested in animal welfare.

[@butterf1sh]

They’re also carbon negative

[@sergeynekot5199]

Thnx for info

[@gigih.2169]

I had IBS most of my life as well. Livable on a standard diet. Unbearable during my 18 months vegan. I nearly had to quit my job. Debilitating. Went back to livable after quitting, but worse than previous. The only think that cured it for me is an animal based diet. I've been symptom free for 4 months now. I am amazed how great life can be when your entire brain isn't consumed with where the bathroom is, or whether I can hold in gas when around other people.

[@Vogelruf]

Did you contact any nutritionist with a focus on plant-based diets and ask for help? There are many who would be glad to help you

[@siberianmoonlight]

Please stay healthy Alex. Can’t help others until you help yourself.

[@breathingoxyjenn7938]

Thank you Alex for your thoughtful explanation and honesty, and I'm very sorry you're experiencing issues with your mental and physical health. Many ex-vegans will say "I found it hard/inconvenient to eat a vegan diet, therefore veganism no longer has any ethical basis." People most likely do this because they feel the need to justify their decisions and maintain their moral superiority. This is a very pathetic behavior in my opinion. Thank you for making the distinction between the moral/practical, and using logic and nuance in your statements. You've been such a valuable contributor to the animal rights movement and that is not lost! I hope you get well soon.

[@diegom8]

You described my symptoms many years ago. It “may” be an allergic reaction to certain foods. For me it was chicken, lamb, wheat, rice, and corn. I had no idea until I was tested. Once I removed those things the insomnia, fatigue, brain fog, inflammation, and stomach issues went away. You are a super smart person and probably have great health care so you may have already checked for this possibility. I love your content and your respect for others. I hope you find the solution for you and too bad about the vitriol from others. You are amazing.

[@samuelhitchens7064]

Bro… I’ve learned much from you and once again I find myself stepping back and thinking “here’s an example of someone genuinely trying to figure things out in an intellectually honest way”. It seems unfair but your struggle with this situation means that, yet again, we get to watch a brain sort through ideas and arguments in a healthy, decisive way. I can’t be the only one who has benefited from this. You push and navigate your way through these things and we get to reap the benefits. Many thanks, my guy. To so many of us, you are worth your weight in gold.

[@jasonspades1265]

Damn, that's a wise post. You clearly have a rational thought process

[@alexstone9099]

Very well said.

[@Aionaaa_]

I have also suffered from ibs for most of my life, in a way that sounds very similar to you. I wouldn’t go anywhere without a toilet and was constantly suspicious of any tiny feeling in my stomach in case it was a sign of an attack coming on. My gastroenterologist described my case as ‘refractory’. In fact, long before I was vegan he made a point of recommending that I never go on a plant-based diet because it would make me feel worse. Luckily, when I did decide to go vegan almost three years ago, my symptoms decreased dramatically. It’s not completely gone, but it doesn’t rule my life in the same way. I’m so sorry that it couldn’t be the same for you, because ibs is such a painful and distressing condition when it’s severe. I hope you find a way to manage it.

[@flutiyama]

I appreciate the level of understanding demonstrated here. Someone with your personal history could've just as well blamed him for not doing what you could. Thanks for showing compassion, especially in an environment where it's so easy to attack people.

[@mayhu3282]

Same case here, and also a huge improvement from eating a whole plant based diet, but then everyone is different and also it takes a bit of time getting adjusted to it, reading the right books and learning how to cook. I feel very compassionate about him and really hate some people being so awful about this

[@DiahRhiaJones]

@@flutiyama Why the fuck do you morons keep talking about compassion? Do we have to roll some slaughterhouse footage to remind you of how absolutely clownish you look right now? What does it take to get you to keep quiet?

[@Archive41024]

It decreased because you were vegan or coincidentally?

[@KiwiTigress]

Sometimes people forget, that KZbinrs are human beings. With bodies, baggage and broken bits. You did your best....and are still doing your best. And that's all you owe anyone. I still admire the shit out of you for all that you do. But I respect your humanity as well as I'm sure many, many, many of your viewers do. Hang in there buddy. You got this. One day at a time. ❤️

[@bike4aday]

Wholesome

[@examiningkubrickphilosofia1530]

Boy these comments are so dumb! He's exposed himself as a liar and hypocrite. If this was a pro-religious Christian philosopher/writer these SAME people would be laughing at THAT person. But with Alex everyone seems to be oh I feel so sorry... meanwhile the dead tortured animals. WELL ... lets concentrate on his positive virtues... lmao A bit biased aren't we? LOL

[@lebecccomputer287]

@@examiningkubrickphilosofia1530 Because of your comment, I’ve decided to purchase a pound of steak from Costco. Thought you should be aware that you are directly responsible for the death of an animal, as are a couple other people who have posted disgusting comments like this. For every reply you make to me or anyone else that attempts to insult, I’ll buy another pound

[@vegan4theanimals]

Sometimes people forget that animals are raped into existence just to be exploited and killed for their own selfishness, I'm assuming like yourself. You want to offer sympathies, look who is on your plate/coat/bathroom product and apologize to them. Better yet, stop paying for it and go vegan.

[@stevejobs3714]

Hes not doing his best, he acknowledges that he could eat a healthy and nutritionally adequate diet given his health issues. He just doesnt want to put in the effort

[@WickedIndigo]

The people saying those awful, hateful things seem to care more about the ideology of veganism rather than what it’s actually trying to achieve. This is my main issue with the vegan community as a whole and also why I have to tell people, in my personal life, that I’m not going to act like the other vegans they’ve met. I only educate people when they are open and willing to hear it, otherwise it’s in one ear and right out the other and nothing changes. What he said about “how is this gonna look to other people” when talking about the hate he received from the vegan community is a great point. Nobody wants to join a group of people that seem to be awful to you the second you don’t do everything they want. Veganism is about compassion and empathy at its most fundamental core. The hate they espoused goes directly against those virtues and it’s genuinely disappointing.

[@danthelambboy]

Vegans get hate for talking about anything to do with it. Hate is a people problem not a vegan problem. If you want a reason to dislike a group you can continue to focus on that if you like. It would give you an excuse to not respect animals that irresponsible people would appreciate

[@imkarciqov]

What am I trying to achieve, Mr. Knows It All? I'm a misanthrope and a vegan. So, tell me.. what is it that I do by condemning this obvious hypocrite (Alex) that goes against my own values?

[@Boundless_Border]

​@@imkarciqov You demonstrate to others that a group that talks about compassion and empathy fails to do so when one of theirs has issues. I'm sure you may make a similar criticism of Christians who ostracize members of the congregation when they start asking genuine questions. While the issue with behavior doesn't change the facts or strength of the evidence, it does make the talking points of empathy and compassion seem much weaker. Which for veganism is a vital component as it is supposed to be an extension of the empathy of compassion humans give to one another to other sentient animals. I think in calling Alex a hypocrite when he fails to succeed but still says veganism wasn't a problem in and of itself you put your own hypocrisy on display and make your position one of virtue signaling instead of being one of actual virtue. It isn't being a know it all to call out this issue that proponents of veganism can have. And if most of the proponents seem to be one of virtue signaling then it can paint the movement as a whole as the same. While we can all hate optics you'd be hard pressed to deny the effect they have on people.

[@imkarciqov]

@@Boundless_Border What makes you think I like human beings? Did I ever say I like human beings? Or that my compassion for animals is an "extension of my empathy for humans"? You're making assumptions here. I HATE human beings!

[@rakvian]

If you do manage to get back to a vegan diet despite these problems, please make a video about how you did it so you can help people in a similar situation that want to go vegan. Hoping this happens one day, you made me go vegan. Cheers Edit: Since there seems to be a war going on on the replies I'm gonna say this here: His mental health problems that he doesn't want to go into details are probably related to an eating disorder, which are extremely hard to mentally recover from while in a 100% plant based diet. I knew someone who was vegetarian for 10 years, vegan for 5 and had to eat a not vegan diet for more than 6 months as I remember to deal with it, she got back into a plant based diet after that. I think that's what Alex is going trough and this is the way he found to not starve himself. Even if I'm wrong about the ED aspect I think people should be a little less ablaze from this situation. Even tho I disagree with some of his personal actions and the way he communicated some aspects of this situation I'm at least glad he's not joining on the "the plants caused this" bandwagon.

[@ParadoxProblems]

​@Chris S It's quite possible that is the case, but even so, he is being entirely honest about his struggles and about the fact that he is not a great representation of the efficacy of a vegan diet. Even if he has strayed outside of strictly necessary foods (a very hard line to draw) he is struggling in ways that can't necessary be made better by a good diet alone. I am fortunate enough to not be affected by serious mental health issues, but attempting to deal with my physical health issues while being vegan is still very mentally and emotionally taxing.

[@bornkinggamer3347]

@Chris S Let's keep in mind he didn't have to expose himself for any of this. He could have been a completely closeted meat eater.

[@neilsmith5510]

@@bornkinggamer3347 @BornKingGamer Well that doesn't necessarily depict integrity on his part. It's probably easier to admit to not being vegan than to continue to lie about it and there have been 'vegans' such as Yovana Mendoza who did try to hide it and were caught which would be a really bad look. And to Connor*, I find it exasperating that people want to give credit to ex-vegans for their transparency about how they allegedly suffered on their vegan diet forgetting there was no transparency at all before they decided to pack it all in. They never reach out to anyone before somehow deciding that fish or eggs is the solution to whatever problem they perceive they were experiencing due to their poorly planned diet. If your standards for effort and honesty are so low that you commend Alex's behaviour that's really just unfortunate.

[@jonahwhale9047]

@@ParadoxProblems I query the "entirely honest". I'd call it cherry picking & obfuscation.

[@jonahwhale9047]

@@neilsmith5510 The Yovana Mendoza episode was hysterical. That clip of her trying to hide the salmon was a classic. In truth, Alex is just going the same as all of those now ex-vegan, bikini girls who didn't like how eating beans made them farty or "bloated" their stomach. Even down to this messy hair, poor me, sick letter video response, just like Rawvana's.

[@iishadowii7477]

You have the choice to disappear from KZbin for as much time as you want, even years. Your life and well being is more important than youtube. I support you. 💙

[@jmcsquared18]

Well, talk about not putting your money where your mouth is - or perhaps, not putting your food where your mouth is. All that philosophy, all those arguments... and yet, what mattered at the end of the day is practical reality.

[@Diego-zj7gd]

His vegan philosophy still stands. You just do not understand vegan philosophy

[@jmcsquared18]

@@Diego-zj7gd of course I don't. Apparently, nobody understands it except for vegans 🤣

[@Diego-zj7gd]

@@jmcsquared18 I’m not vegan btw and I understand it. Veganism is about minimizing harm within reason. His vegan diet is not reasonable to continue with his mental and physical ailments but he still tries to limit the amount of animal products he eats and only eats fish(some argue it’s less harmful). And he probably avoids real leather and non food animal products 🙏 besides him a lot of people can go full vegan healthily

[@SteversChed]

@@Diego-zj7gd That's a lot of cope... He intentionally and needlessly uses animal products and has for years. He was playing pretend and now became more honest about it.

[@jmcsquared18]

@@SteversChed and moreover, he got on his moral high horse - like too many vegans do - and decried all non-vegans who love animals to be hypocrites. That was back during his days where he preached veganism the hardest. Well talk about throwing rocks in a glass house lmao

[@alexwilder8315]

Hi Alex I just wanted to say that you were one of those instrumental people in my going vegan last year and I want to thank you and express my hope that you can recover one day from this condition, and that things get better for you generally in the future. I suffered from debilitationg IBS for about five years, and despite the fact I could speculate I honestly have no idea what caused my symptoms to go away. I only know that I was very lucky. During this time, I could not eat any form of seed or nut, except for almonds. I could not eat any kind of grain except white rice, or any kind of legume including peanuts. Dairy and meat were just about the only safe proteins that I could consume. I felt forced at that time to, as you say, evaluate my stance on animals in light of what I was going through. I do not know what your exact sensitivies and triggers all are, and I can only say to anyone who wants to comment on what your diet should be when they have no damn clue either.. they should all just bugger off. I can't stand this backlash and all the people who are perpetuating it. I am strongly considering unsubscribing from every one of these low-life losers who cannot conceive of a reality other than their own. I categorically reject any idea that you should be excluded from this movement, just because of your dietary choices-- however justified they may or may not be. You are a valuable ally and continue to be an asset to the online community and the world. I applaud your incredible honestly -- you had little to gain from being this honest, and the fact you have been, depite everything, does not go unnoticed. I want to wish you every success in finding a diet that can support you through this time in reconnecting with your friends and with all the things that make you happy.

[@Sarah-rv4pv]

Thank you! I am disappointed Alex has lost status in the vegan community, but I respect his philosophical arguments and hold to them still. I also suffer from IBS, and if it ever got worse or as bad as yours, I would seriously consider reverting my diet to include meat again. It seems like the prevalence of IBS and gluten-intolerance in the west is rising rapidly, so I expect many people will have trouble going vegan for these reasons.

[@skabbmask]

Oh damn, I don't really know what I expected, but this cut close to home for me. I think this is the first time I've ever heard a public facing person describe the same quite embarrassing issues I've dealt with my whole life with IBS. It's only a few years ago that I started being comfortable enough to even talk about it with my closest friends and only then I noticed how insane some of it is - that I've just internalized that it's normal for me to simply go hungry if I'm going to be outdoors with friends cause I don't dare to eat anything if I don't have safe access to a toilet. All of the "oh, it's ok, I'm not hungry" while trying to hide my stomach rumbling. I've learned to breathe through the most horrific of stomach aches while trying to look unfaced cause my social anxiety is not really friends with my IBS... I relate very hard! And I know it's just a comment among others, another profile pic in the crowd, but trying to reach out a virtual hand at least to say thank you for sharing this!

[@flutiyama]

Well, thank YOU for sharing THIS as well, then!! Was not expecting such understanding towards Alex, especially after the initial backlash. Happy to see people acting like this❤️

[@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094]

Just wondering if you are vegan?

[@skabbmask]

@@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094 Struggled with that too, was vegan for 2 years a while back, then ran into bunch of unrelated mental health issues including eating disorder. With the mentality of "all or nothing", I kinda gave up on veganism, thinking that if I can't commit to it 100% (and seeing similar reactions like cosmic skeptic has gotten) it doesn't matter and I'm just a bad person so why even bother. Today, I have a more relaxed relationship to it, and would estimate that my diet is ~80% vegan and increasing, which works way better for me. The IBS is pretty much unchanged though, it gets extremely worse with certain foods, but I've never experienced what it's like not to have stomach ache after basically every meal.

[@pansepot1490]

@@skabbmask as a fellow IBS sufferer I fully relate. My issue with Alex advocating veganism was because of health problems some people have and they could be made to feel guilty for no fault of their own. I have never been vegan but my diet has always been “almost” vegetarian with a lot of fruits and vegetables. Unfortunately some years ago my condition worsened and I developed intolerance to dairy products and most fruits and vegetables. Just eating an orange makes me go to the bathroom. I have tried all sorts of adjustments, but no lasting improvements. Only giving up fruits and vegs (and several other things) seems to work.

[@skabbmask]

@@pansepot1490 I have no issue with advocating veganism, and was actually convinced of the morality of it by Alex (which hasn't changed, and from what I understand, hasn't changed for him either). I feel Rationality Rules (see his video on "why veganism will win in the end" or something like that) have a stronger case for the pragmatic there, but ultimately I can't defend not being vegan on a moral basis. However, I don't see anyone living a 100% consistent ultimate moral life in 100% of all of their aspects of living, it's mainly this that has made me more relaxed with it all - and what I really despise with these vocal aggressive vegans is that they're also doing and supporting immoral things like the rest of us but don't seem to be aware of it, strutting around on their high horses sniffing their own farts spitting in the face of people with real problems. So, you should definitely not feel bad for not being able to live like a ridiculous fantasy-saint :) We're all human! Pick your battles, do what you can, help others, be kind to those who deserve it (and even kinder to those who don't deserve it, it pisses them off so nicely >=)), and stand your ground against the assholes ^^ Really just satanism, haha x)

[@anka9405]

as someone with food allergies and IBS who is only able to manage being vegetarian, something i always appreciated in your vegan content was your frequent acknowledgement of the existence of circumstances that could make veganism unattainable. you always exercised empathy towards people with dietary restrictions - an empathy that contrasts the vitriol i've had other vegans give me. i hope some of these people find the same empathy for you. look after yourself and thank you for your honesty.

[@joshwarrey3728]

So what's the special nutrient in cow's milk and chicken eggs that makes them necessary for you to consume?

[@anka9405]

@@joshwarrey3728 most vegans are able to get protein and iron from nuts and wheat-based sources, while i cannot. chickpeas and beans (and other legumes) are great options i enjoy frequently, but the fact of the matter is i was informed by my doctor that a vegan diet would not be sustainable for me. i also cannot get zinc, magnesium, or calcium from nut-based sources the way many vegans can. most vegan food options carry a 'may contain nuts' warning which - as someone anaphylactic - i must avoid. i wish i didn't have to eat eggs and dairy and feel immensely guilty every time i do, hence why i try to use substitutes where i can (e.g i use oat milk and eat vegan chocolate). you'll probably try to tell me otherwise, but i know from the struggles i've had transitioning to even just a vegetarian diet that veganism would harm my health greatly. attacking people like me does nothing to progress the vegan movement. i love animals just as much as you and encourage everyone to make more ethical choices

[@thesayerofing]

​@@anka9405 The minerals you mentioned are very inexpensive to take as vegan friendly supplements if you are unable to obtain the amount you need from your day to day diet. Whether you choose to transition to a fully plant based diet or not, it is a good option to have access to.

[@anka9405]

@@thesayerofing it is a great option! i take supplements daily and was already taking prescribed iron supplements prior to going vegetarian. i take vegan friendly omega 3 tablets to enable me to function without fish in my diet too :)

[@Simon.596]

@@anka9405 Hi, I'm just wondering... If you eat legumes frequently, why do you think you need to supplement iron or zinc? Is it just nuts you're struggling with? Why do you take nutrition advice from your doctor? Most doctors have no clue about nutrition, since they get little to no training on it. If all you need to avoid is wheat and nuts, you still have plenty of options.

[@randomrandom450]

I think Alex brings an interesting point that is not brought enough: the accessibility of a healthy vegan diet. I'm not vegan, but I'm sympathetic to the cause, but one of the reason I'm not and probably the reason for a lot of people... is that I care, but I don't care enough to go through the thousand of hoops required to be vegan in a society not made for vegans. There are countries like India where being vegan (or at least vegetarian) is a lot more common, so the food is already easy to access, but for me, if I don't want to be constantly cooking and running around special grocery stores, it's very hard. And I think the best way to make people change their mind is to make it easier. Enough with the grandiose philosophical questions, this wont make most people vegan, but to make it easier might. One really simple thing my mother told me when I was a kid stuck with me. She threw a big mayo plastic jar in the trash and as a kid who've been told that you should recycle plastic, I asked her "why are you putting it in the trash instead of the recycle bin ?" assuming she would tell me why it can't be recycled, but she told me "I want to recycle, but I don't have time to wash my trash". So my mother wasn't against recycling, she was recycling most things and if you want to find the ultimate moral action here, she should've rinsed that plastic jar and recycle it, but it's about make it simple for people who doesn't have the same strong opinion about it. Recycling is easier than it was when I was a kid, it's as simple as "put it here instead of here". Same goes for composting, some cities pick up compost, mine doesn't, so I don't do it, I don't want to sort my trash and then bring my trash somewhere myself to give me peace of mind. I don't care enough for that. So I think veganism needs the same thing, to be made easy, cause right now it's hard enough that a vegan activist want to give up because it's too hard, so imagine the person that doesn't really care. And to stop factory farming, you need to defeat capitalism and to defeat capitalism, you need to defeat demand for it and you can't do that with a handful of vegans, you need the harder to convince too.

[@user-zl8fd8ko7d]

Regenerative farming is the best way to treat animals and to optimize human health and environmental health

[@tryveganplease4586]

Stop Torturing God’s Creatures #TryVeganPlease

[@tomlauris]

No thanks I don't have eating disorders

[@Tymbus]

I can see you have really struggled with this descision. I developed IBS in my teens. It wrecked my education as I was unable to sit in class. I found a high fibre diet helped in my case but so did relaxing and just explaining to people that I might have to leave meetings. I am sure you'll be exploring counselling. Take care of your self.

[@e-9227]

I want people to stop exploiting, ridicule and harming the cause to reduce the suffering of animals.

[@janieswanson2549]

Then stop. No one is forcing you to use the animal products that you use needlessly for entertainment. You chose to do it.

[@nosnawseinaj]

I cope by trolling vegans every day until I die. Aren't I laughable?

[@JaneiSwonsan-rn3mg]

My cholesterol levels are probably too high for me to comprehend basic logic. Please ignore me

[@lebecccomputer287]

Exploitation is too much fun for me to quit

[@robin9913]

I am a meat eater and have thought a lot about this subject. After listening to all sides my conclusion is that it is immoral to support any farming that involves the disregard for the suffering of animals. I don't think it is immoral to humanely kill farm animals for their meat. I am open to thinking about this further and possibly changing my mind. I have tried to reconcile my meat eating habit with my belief that supporting farming that involves the suffering of animals is immoral. I have come to the conclusion that by continuing to purchase meat that has been processed from farms that have involved the suffering of animals - I am acting immorally. Those who are currently not acting immorally in some way - please begin the self-righteous pontifications.

[@flako92zan]

As a someone who became vegan and realized I have a problem with eating legumes I can sympathize. Luckily in my case its not as bad, it consists mostly of bloating gassiness, tiredness and in extreme cases I even got hives on my whole body (symptoms proportional to how much I eat). I am not eating out much so I was able to circumvent the issue by eating seitan as my main substitute and the occasional slip is not too bad. I hope you still experiment with vegan food and find something that works for you, you might need to avoid certain foods or food groups like me but it still better than the alternative. Of course if that does not work I understand your decision even though I regret the situation is at it is, by no fault of your own if I may add. The truth is life is not perfect and we do the best we can and that means different things for different people.

[@agentdarkboote]

For me, it's been a matter of going very slowly and my tolerance slowly increased alongside. But the real game changer was starting to take in sauerkraut. I had to start that really slowly as well, but now I'm much more capable of digesting just about anything without having bad symptoms. This leads me to think it was a microbiome issue in my case. It could be worth exploring for yourself as well! It needs to be live culture stuff - expensive from the grocery store but dirt cheap if you make it yourself, and easy to do! Seriously changed my quality of life in my case, so I thought I'd share! (Tim Ferris has a sauerkraut recipe, Google will find that, that's what I use with a few modifications to make it simpler, and at the beginning start with just a forkful per day and slowly increase over the next couple of months. I have heard that 2/3 of a cup per day is the end goal, but I started seeing benefits well before that. Note: I had suspected this for a while, I tried probiotic capsules as well, back before I went vegan I had also tried kefir, but only sauerkraut has had a noticeable positive effect)

[@gzagenius4610]

As a veggie, I have had problems with bloating (and gas), constipation and fatigue. On the recommendation of a Vegan friend, I have incorporated Kefir Yoghurt, Kimchi and Tempeh in my diet, and this has helped.

[@GandalfTheSilver]

The trick to not having gas/bloating after eating legumes is to regularly eat (thoroughly cooked) legumes. The gut microbiome can adjust to diet changes in a matter of ~3 weeks. Thats why the first 2-3 weeks on a proper plant-based diet are always the hardest on your gut because a lot of the micro-organisms in your stomach that break down nutrients are suddenly obsolete, die, and are replaced.

[@madd5]

if you remain vegan after all that you're just a religious idiot

[@flako92zan]

​@@agentdarkboote thanks for the reply. I tried fermented foods for a while, maybe ill try again in the future. I also tried eating soy/tofu (and other legumes) for a year and my energy levels were really poor which clearly showed on my running performance. I can explain away all the symptoms to the microbiome/digestion but I can't explain the hives I got that way. I really think its not an issue with getting used to the food but genetic, maybe I'm wrong. Edit: added "(and other legumes)"

[@PickledShark]

My long time girlfriend has IBS. Interestingly, it was the initial catalyst for both of us going vegan over 7 years ago, though it did not change her symptoms very much. What she finally discovered, with the help of a dietitian, is that the root cause of her IBS was Histamine Intolerance. Since then, armed with that information, she’s had a 90% reduction in her IBS symptoms. I hope that lead might help you out, Alex. Ask your registered dietician about it. As for your announcement, I’ll confess my first reaction was that of sadness, betrayal, and a sense of hypocrisy on your part. That being said, I think you made the right choice, at least for now, and I’m ashamed of any of my fellow vegans that showed you and others such ugliness. Ultimately, you need to take care of yourself, or you really won’t be able to be a good advocate for anything or anyone. To make the point with some levity; you won’t be much of a vegan advocate if you simultaneously begin to perfectly fit the stereotype of the malnourished vegan 😅 From all of us that actually just care about you as a person, take care of yourself.

[@davewade30]

I subscribed just to show you support from the sane side of the aisle. You eat whatever you need to stay healthy.

[@thuggie1]

biologically speaking all people have different tolerances to a wide range of foods. some can tolerate a more plant based diet than others, will some will experience bloating, gas and discomfort caused by irritation and inflammation of the intestine lining if you experience thing like this its usually from things like lectins, gluten and in some cases even high fibre consumption, usually when this happens you should cut out lectin and/or gluten sources from the diet as continues inflammation can damage the intestine. with fibre usually reducing the amount helps as well as consuming fermented foods. this is why i tend to eat a very varied omnivorous diet as went through a log period of not consuming meat and ended up with a lot of gut problem i am only just starting to get over due to how restrictive i was. there are many way to get hold of animal protein that is not detrimental to the animal in question such as eggs and dairy. eggs for and example are a whole food its fills with all the nutrients the body needs. it is just about finding a balance that your body is comfortable with and everyone is different

[@Robert-qh3ok]

I have been a vegan for nearly forty years, that said, I appreciate your honesty and candor. You remain a person I have a lot of respect for and I wish you all the best...struggle means we are living life to the fullest, I do believe.

[@Perenbarn]

pretty insane you think it's okay he now supports killing and torturing animals for no other reason but convenience

[@tomlauris]

Vegan for nearly 40 years, lol, who believes this 💩?

[@aycon8482]

Stay strong Alex. You've been a major influence in my transition to a plant based diet, so even if couldn't continue with it yourself, I still want to thank you for this wonderful change you've made in my life. I wish you the best Thank you, truly

[@DiahRhiaJones]

Do you tell the animals in the torture and murder factories to "stay strong" as well?

[@Ashclayton1994]

​@@DiahRhiaJones go troll somewhere else

[@DiahRhiaJones]

@@Ashclayton1994 The universal euphemism for "I cant come up with a response so im just going to throw around false accusations of trolling and run away!!!" BTW love the profile pic you use as you defend enslaving those who don't look like you. You're definitely not a clown or anything.

[@Ashclayton1994]

@@DiahRhiaJones do you care about the animals that are indirectly killed due to pest control, habitat loss, being caught up in harvesting machinery and the people in 3rd world countries forced into slave labor to pick the avocados, quinoa and other crops that sustain your vegan diet, or do you only pretend to care about animals as long as the end result of the exploitation is on your plate? There's no such thing as a cruelty free diet under capitalism get of your high horse and stop pretending your own shit dosen't stink

[@DiahRhiaJones]

@@Ashclayton1994 Nice level zero anti-vegan tropes. 1. Where are the overwhelming vast majority of crops that are being grown going to again? 2. Theres nothing ethically wrong with protecting food needed for survival, even if it has to be done violently. 3. Since when does avocado = vegan? 4. "There is no such thing as a cruelty free diet" is another meaningless throwaway garbage catchphrase like "there no such thing as ethical consumption". Throwing around that garbage doesn't absolve you of responsibility for tossing a baby cow into a slaughterhouse to have her neck slashed or a pig into a gas chamber because you're a manbaby that can't give up "bacon." 5. Im a vegan, I dont ride horses, dipsht. Though I am an infinitely better person than you are because I dont abuse animals like you do. Thats for sure. Who's trolling again?

[@Plumsouffle]

Being vegan is about causing the least harm as possible, is it not? Does that include harm to oneself? Continue to do what you need to do to stay healthy physically and mentally while causing as little harm as possible.

[@taylormarinescu805]

I would argue the harm to the animals is greater than that to Alex's health

[@kx7500]

@@taylormarinescu805I agree but is it sustainable as long as Alex needs to eat

[@taylormarinescu805]

@@kx7500 he needs to eat but right now hes saying his lack of preparation and research justifies the harm done to the animals he eats

[@kx7500]

@@taylormarinescu805 if you think he’s saying that you’ve lost the plot. He repeatedly said he’s not trying to justify it and it’s not just about the dietary needs but his personal life etc. you think every reason someone isn’t vegan somehow is about “justifying” it or not when sometimes it’s not because they don’t value animal suffering.

[@taylormarinescu805]

@@kx7500 so his abuse of animals is unjustified? 😭

[@heathersutherland8714]

Thank you Alex! Your integrity speaks volume... You owe absolutely NO explanation for the choices you make. IT’S YOUR LIFE! It’s disheartening to know people who advocate for animal rights wish the very opposite for you due to pure ignorance. I was once a vegetarian but chose to put my health first and I’m so glad you did too! You’re an inspiration~

[@timfreund784]

Hey Alex, I´m a vegan for over a year now, partly because of your philosophical videos and talks about veganism. I have a great deal of respect for you and i think that i know you enough from watching your videos to know that this wasnt a "just dont wanna anymore" decision. I am a little sad that veganism is not a possible option for you anymore, but i do think that you did (and still do) a great service for veganism. Mental health is so so important, as someone who studies humans physical health, i cant understand how (even med-people) dont grasp the significance of mental health and the according problems. The best wishes from me, to deal with, and eventually overcome your mental and physical health problems. Will still enjoy your content and still recommend it to my friends. Vegans and Non-Vegans alike.

[@kartoffeldrucker]

❤

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

Eating a plant-based diet is not a "possible option" for Alex only because it's too inconvenient, something he complained about a year ago. He was never vegan, not once did he mention the animals in all his excuses.

[@emmadasilva1794]

​@@harveyplantharvester1502 Just because his complaint a year ago was that it was inconvenient doesn't mean that this video is complaining the same things. A human being should prioritize their overall health first and foremost before prioritizing the health of animals. Alex was really struggling getting enough to eat at all and his mental health as well as his medical conditions were causing that. That's not a matter of inconvenience.

[@emmadasilva1794]

@@mikethecornking I do not think it's murder if animals are killed for food, so you're not really getting through to me with that argument.

[@emmadasilva1794]

@@mikethecornking Plus, millions of animals are murdered from industrial farming of plants. 🤷‍♀️ It's how the world works, man. Animals kill and eat each other for food, even omnivores.

[@WeeShaun911]

I've been vegan for 3 years and I feel no negative emotion for you at all. You have to do what works for your personal circumstances. Reading those comments people left you on Instagram was shocking, I resent that side of the vegan community. It just gives us a bad name and turns people away from veganism. Stay strong mate, you have done a lot of good for the vegan movement.

[@fmgs31]

☝️ this

[@PauIdenino]

Ur plant based, not vegan then

[@WeeShaun911]

@@PauIdenino What do you mean?

[@fmgs31]

@@WeeShaun911 I could be wrong but I think he means that one of the requirements for being vegan is to be a zealot. (Please correct me Paul if I got that wrong)

[@PlayzBlanston]

this would be somewhat respectable had you not made multiple videos viciously reprimanding meat eaters

[@sebben13]

Veganism is a battle, and Alex is a speartip even though he struggles with it himself. He has made many people go vegan, including myself. We should support people, and be caring for the ones who struggle ❤

[@ubuu7]

I hear wut ur sayin but... have you ever had baked salmon with melted butter and dill seasoning ??!?!?!?!?

[@sebben13]

@@ubuu7 yes I have, it was pretty good. Looking foreward to eating that when cultivated meat hits the shelves :)

[@ubuu7]

@sebben13 Then I will direct more resources to lab grown meat to free you and all vegan kind.

[@champboehm7863]

"Go vegan" how trendy

[@sebben13]

@@champboehm7863 ?

[@asher4268]

Did I miss where Alex explains what the impediments were to actually planning and modifying in order to maintain a vegan diet? I get he has some challenges with IBS and mental health, but I didn't hear anything about what stopped him from doing the planning and modifying? He just says he wasn't able to make it work, but I didn't really catch why. The thing about this is that Alex claimed to understand the ethical implications of being vegan yet, from what I am hearing, he didn't really do much to plan for his situation. He should have just said in the video, "look, I didn't do the proper planning for a vegan diet for my given situation and I don't want to put the effort into planning one at this time. Yes, that is a bit of a weak excuse given my prior statements on the ethical and moral imperative of being vegan but that's the truth." All of the talk about his symptoms absent any really discussion about what limited his ability to plan is an excuse he wouldn't accept on any other topic. There is a huge community including doctors and nutritionist willing to go above and beyond to help him plan, modify, and make the necessary adjustments but instead he just says it wasn't practical. I wish you well Alex, as being sick sucks, but I expected a bit more accountability in relation to your effort given your own prior words. I guarantee popular vegans will have a field day with this not because of the challenges which are legit, but rather the lack of effort. I could be wrong and he might have done a million things to try to make it work but that didn't come through upon listening. If it were me making this video I would have pulled out receipts and said, "look, I tried many things. I meet with a doctor on x number of occasions, I had this blood work done, I had these test done, I meet with a nutritionist x number of times, I tried to do high fiber, low fiber, cooked, raw, fasting, etc." The absence of this makes me questions the effort but I would love to be corrected.

[@tschorsch]

He probably got to the point where the suffering he incurred trying to get something to work outweighed the cost. These things are very complicated and suffering IBS can screw up a lot of other things in your life. I'm sure he did a million thing to try to make it to work, he's been doing it for a while now. By trying to communicate the details of what he did, he will just open himself to even more unwarranted criticism. It's not worth the effort to convince fanatics, they won't be convinced anyway, and are very good at ignoring context. He's better of ignoring them.

[@etherealstars5766]

Much support to you Alex. The human body is a complex machine and lifestyles are more complex still. I think the key takeaway is empathy towards our fellow man in understanding the difference between the championing of moral causes and self care.

[@Think_4_Yourself]

Vegan or not... I love your willingness to be free thinking and carefully articulate your thoughts. All the best! Keep making the great content!

[@be8420]

I have always found the value of your channel to be the well-reasoned and supported positions you present or discuss. I think you are showing that same value here, by explaining your position and showing your work. It also takes quite a bit of courage to publicly announce a change, in any direction, around such a contentious issue. I wish you the best and look forward to your next video!

[@uncoiledfish2561]

That is a good point.

[@VaginalWildfire]

maybe I'm missing but how has he provided justification or support for his belief. In fact he obviously contradicts himself multiple times by saying that he believes one can get a perfectly nutritionally complete diet while being vegan and also acknowledging that harming animals is wrong and that they have moral worth. So hes essentially admitting he doesnt think its worth his time to figure it out. curious what your thoughts are? (edit - typo)

[@GhostCorvid20]

He didn't provide evidence or reasoning for anything. This whole video was an exercise in contradictions and vaguery.

[@ruaridevlin4438]

@@GhostCorvid20 no. he did you're just too braindead to see it

[@watch-Dominion-2018]

You said you ate zero calories at times but you blame your loss of health on veganism?

[@NewSnakeEyes1]

What exactly is your goal here? Scanning most recent comments shows you've been leaving comments of over an hour. You're not helping the cause. You're one of the reasons people don't convert to veganism in the first place, just stop.

[@watch-Dominion-2018]

​@@NewSnakeEyes1 the goal is to end animal torture of course. Do you love torturing animals?

[@x-latetv-x6816]

@@watch-Dominion-2018 no but you love torturing animals

[@x-latetv-x6816]

@@NewSnakeEyes1 don't listen to anon, he pays to have wild animals tortured

[@rootwo6772]

Should have kept these matters to yourself. The damage you've caused is irreparable and anti-vagans are already hailing you as their new member. I have IBS and many issues digesting plant based foods. I push through. I push through even if it could endanger my life because it's not about me it's about the animals.

[@linusgallagher1607]

Anti-vagans? Way to diss yourself you little twit....

[@lilo_920]

If you're willing to endanger your own life for veganism, then that's your choice, but it's not reasonable to expect everyone else to do same.

[@draabos]

I admire your honesty and openness. Walk your line with pride.

[@robertdarcy6210]

You said you were no longer convinced an individual-based boycott is appropriate for this. Why?

[@heypeopleitsmatt]

god i wish more people asked questions like this instead of jumping down alex's throat . this is a thoughtfull question asked respectfully . kuddos to you mr darcy

[@RoaringTide]

Presumably he would say it might not be appropriate for someone facing the things he's been facing, hence him abandoning the diet.

[@RoaringTide]

@@Lemogen11 Yes it is. It's a diet with good reasons for having it, but it's a diet none the less.

[@Lemogen11]

@@RoaringTide It isn't, do some reading. This is why vegans don't take meat eaters seriously.

[@RoaringTide]

@@Lemogen11 I invite you to pick up a dictionary. "Diet" can simply mean "the food one habitually eats", which is how I was using it. Eating plant-based food is just as much a diet as eating nothing but fries and burgers.