More Pathfinder Ancestries! Catfolk, Hobgoblins, Kobolds, Leshy, Lizardfolk, Samsaran, Tengu, Vanara

[@parkerdixon-word6295]

"[The glassclaws] claim they were given this task by a celestial entity over 100 generations ago, and dismiss any claims that the pyramids aren't even that old." God I love Kobolds. That's so perfect.

[@flibbernodgets7018]

I like Vanara a lot, but it seems like they didn't get much love content-wise. It was neat to hear a little of their history here.

[@TheMythkeeper]

They're a fun race. I hope some day we get a little more about Vudra and Casmaron and they'll get fleshed out a bit.

[@syeven7979]

Leshies are my go to If I'm not playing a human or goblin. Love the leafy little men. So much flavor, and they range from cute to horrifying.

[@SolomonCaineReaper]

Personally, I'm a fan of my little chaos dragon-lizards. Kobolds ftw.

[@rayreel9528]

Would love to see Kitsune and the Suli genie-kin in a future video

[@Jon_East]

Yesss, some of my favorites in this video! Though I will say, watching your other ancestry videos has really inspired me to play more characters from "common" ancestries, and not always default to the weird stuff like cats, lizards and... pumpkins.

[@retroic3165]

I'm really glad I found this channel! Keep up the great videos

[@TheMythkeeper]

Welcome aboard!

[@jamesadamsfl]

Great video. A lot of these peoples don't get much love on the wiki, so learning more about them was pretty cool. They all have such rich histories.

[@spiritB0mber]

Amazing video! Hobgoblins Where yall at? I hope a Numeria regional deep dive is next!

[@TheMythkeeper]

Coming soon but not next!

[@Jo-Heike]

I keep coming back to this video just for your maps when making characters to get a more visual idea of spread of different Catfolk diaspora. In this case I was looking for any that could be found on Mediogalti Island, and seems the Sethurril are the ones that make the most sense.

[@TheMythkeeper]

I'm so glad you're getting multiple uses out of this! Thanks for sharing. 🙂

[@TheMythkeeper]

Qitaj can be found pretty close to Mediogalti too ;-) Just sayin'...

[@Jo-Heike]

@@TheMythkeeper *Qitajj. Shemtej also. Although, I moved away from Mediogalti Island as I didn't find a way to give a level 2 catfolk rogue proficiency with Sawtooth Sabers (human can get it, or fighters), and the Red Mantis doesn't feel quite right for the concept. What I was thinking was a uniformed rogue/assassin with a military bearing, and while the Red Mantis Assassins wears a (somewhat silly) uniform they're not what I was really thinking. Wondering what military academy trains skilled assassins. Figure lion blades loosely fit that archetype, although, I am sure there's another place you could find an assassin wearing a uniform when not operating covertly.

[@TheMythkeeper]

@@Jo-Heike Hmmm... my personal favorite assassins guild - Daggermark. For a Garundi organization, consider The Vane in Vidrian. They are a covert organization too, so to hide their Vidric allegiance they actually prefer non-human or non-vidric agents abroad. Mostly they are an anti-slavery, anti-Chelish, anti-Sargavan organization; but as Vidrian evolves as a nation they're going to get involved in more things.

[@Jo-Heike]

@@TheMythkeeper Those are two interesting options. If they vane really prefer non-humans then recruiting catfolk (who are marginally more common in the area as far as I can tell) would make a lot of sense. I'll have to look into it more.

[@TOUGHEYES]

There is an eventual plan I want to have for anyone playing a Vanara when they come across one of the mysterious and noble Orang-Pendak. Or perhaps a whole civilisation of them. But if there's one Ancestry I'd love to see in your next video on it, it's gotta be my favourites, the Nagaji. Snek people take no crap!

[@Inquisitor_Lelouch]

After watching this video I now want to play as a hobgoblin!

[@TheMythkeeper]

Now is the right time to do it! Hobgoblins (and orcs) have become a lot more interesting and culturally relevant in the 2nd edition of the game and I'm here for it.

[@Jon_East]

Oh in terms of other ancestries I'd love to see you cover, I think the Anadi would be top of my list, they have such unique lore to them. Grippli and Shoony are two other personal favorites! Especially Grippli actually, I find it very hard to find interesting details about them that don't just boil them down to "they're 'primitive' frog people".

[@TheMythkeeper]

Thanks for the request! These will go in my next ancestry video!

[@seanboisupreme]

Can we get a video on some of the races if the Mwangi Expanse, like Gnolls and Shisk?

[@FireBorn790]

I'm hoping gnolls get a bit more love as PF2e goes on - the lore established in the Mwangi expanse book is so good - and honestly very similar to how I redesignedgnolls in a campaign of my own to make them less 'monster of the week' and more like a genuinely interesting, playable ancestry :D

[@braqqam]

Thanx for the great content.

[@DiscoDachiff]

So what you're telling me is that Kao Ling Hobs are just very dedicated Paranoia LARPers bb

[@balrighty3523]

0:47 One of my biggest disappointments with the Lost Omens World Guide was how they said it would have a world map with better detail for the entire world, not just the Inner Sea region, and then didn't bother. Amurrun come from somewhere in southern Garund, maybe. Is it a trio of city-states? Does it hold enough territory to reach both the east and west coasts of Garund? Is it at the very bottom (and therefore relatively isolated and protected from its neighbors) or is it landlocked, possibly beset on all sides? No idea!

[@TheMythkeeper]

Yep, I did my best with the information I had on the regional maps. :-)

[@Jo-Heike]

I am curious about what god or philosophy a Mitzenki might ascribe to since it isn't mentioned by the Ancestry guide entry. The same goes for the Askedhaki.

[@TheMythkeeper]

I believe the catfolk have their own forms of the main divinities in pathfinder, and any of them would be appropriate gods to worship. Where the books leave whitespace - that's all the more room for you to create. 🙂

[@Jo-Heike]

@@TheMythkeeper As far I know they don't, the APG says catfolk generally aren't very religious, and mention that those that are often practice a nebulous form of animism (spirits of creation I think). the LO:AG names a deity for three of the five diaspora mentioned, although only one of the three is mentioned as being particularly religious.

[@Vattghern_]

How are catpeople so integrated into other species societies? Pathfinder must be a very accepting setting - I guess they're not skooma dealers like in Tamriel 😅 I do love that the Arctic regions are full of catpeople tribes, crazy. As for Hobgoblins, I wonder if they are natural allies with other goblinkind (Orcs and Goblins) like in other settings. The leshi are ridiculous perversions of great Slavic traditions, at least by the illustrations presented, but there might be something fey-like and mischievous about them, I just don't know too much about their Pathfinder lore. At least the Lizardmen were done justice. The Samsaran are totally weird and alien, I have no idea where this archetype comes from.

[@frederickgleicher1385]

This was cool....I learned a lot.

[@TheMythkeeper]

You're very welcome!

[@mastertadakatsu]

Is there an artwork of a male Vanara that isn't just Sun Wukong

[@TheMythkeeper]

Haha! My bad! You’re welcome to look!

[@mastertadakatsu]

@@TheMythkeeper all good love your work btw

[@watdahill]

I wanna ask where did you get the map you are using in your videos? Map starting in 4:07, i think its the same map you use in the cheliax, taldor, riverkingdoms, varisia videos. Thank You.

[@TheMythkeeper]

I've linked this in a few places but here is a render of the map with the elf-gates on it. i.imgur.com/AWs3FI2.jpeg

[@harleyfredricks989]

Hey where did you find the info on the Ikalek lizardfolk, I can't seem to locate any info on them on the net?

[@TheMythkeeper]

Page 44 of Lost Omens Ancestry Guide.

[@darkdragonsoul99]

This might be abit obvious coming from someone with my name and avatar but Shoony I wanna see Shoony.

[@TheMythkeeper]

The video with Shoony is recorded! But its a few weeks out, I'm afraid.

[@gryphoncompanion]

Are you going to cover kitsune and/or ysoki?

[@TheMythkeeper]

Even more ancestries are coming ;-)

[@namelesssomebody2557]

I am surprised Konoha Tengu are not ninjas

[@TheMythkeeper]

I think many probably are!

[@yanis79]

in wich book i can find the lore of catfolks?

[@TheMythkeeper]

Lost Omens World Guide, Ancestry Guide and Character Guide all include catfolk info

[@yanis79]

@@TheMythkeeper thank you 😊

[@keithwinget6521]

Is there any lore on metallic-colored kobolds for Pathfinder 2E? I'm playing one in a campaign right now, and I'm trying to avoid too many spoilers, but I'd like to know a lot more about silver-scaled kobolds, at least.

[@TheMythkeeper]

There are actually three different conflicting creation myths involving kobolds and dragons that I didn't get to hear, but the short version is that kobolds have some kind of kinship with dragons. Also note that your GM may have something special planned for your character and his heritage which may not neatly line up with all the canon. For a silver-scaled kobold, it might indicate a connection with a silver dragon, those metallic dragons that breathe lightning.

[@keithwinget6521]

@@TheMythkeeper The docs say they breathe cold. Are there any particular silver dragons in the lore? If they are anything like D&D silver dragons at all, I have a hard time imagining there not being at least one hanging out in human form in Absalom given it's size and renown.

[@TheMythkeeper]

@@keithwinget6521 You might be right, it might be cold not lightning. (Oops!) I wrote my response from memory, but its faulty sometimes. And yes, you're right, there are a reasonable number of silver dragons out there using advanced magics to conceal their true form.

[@LiannaBabeli]

There is more lore in the Lost Omens Ancestry Guide, Lost Omens World Guide, and Advanced Player's Guide on Kobolds, particularly those of the metallic breeds.

[@keithwinget6521]

@@LiannaBabeli Checked these all out. Can you specify exactly where you found lore on metallic-scaled Kobolds, because I found none. Granted, I specifically looked for Kobold-related stuff only. If it was hidden somewhere else within, I wouldn't know where to start. There's the basic mention of their scale color as a choice and what breathe weapon/resistance that would bring, and that's about all I found.

[@jamesharrison142]

What book are Samsaren found in? They seem super cool.

[@TheMythkeeper]

Archives of Nethys is your best friend here. They can be found in Inner Sea Races pg. 247, Bestiary 4 pg. 230, Advanced Race Guide pg. 198, Dragon Empires Gazetteer pg. 11, Dragon Empires Primer pg. 5

[@jamesharrison142]

@@TheMythkeeper Wow, that's super detailed! I'm pretty new to Golarion, and effectively haven't used archives of Nethis yet. Thanks!

[@LiannaBabeli]

@@jamesharrison142 Just so you understand: Archives of Nethys is for mechanical reference only. While you can find all ancestries here, if it is pure lore, that is not included in AoN. I also highly recommend checking out both 1E and 2E for the full lore understanding of a given ancestry as there are updates/changes to them.

[@jamesharrison142]

Thanks so much!

[@robfrank3423]

Are there even more ancestries?

[@TheMythkeeper]

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[@Artemisthemp]

Sad you didn't cover Gordian our what the plant Ancestry is called.

[@TheMythkeeper]

Different one from Leshy?

[@Artemisthemp]

@@TheMythkeeper Ghoran is the name of Ancestry, do notice you have none of Lost Omen Ancestry.

[@TheMythkeeper]

@@Artemisthemp Thanks! I'll try to include them in the next round.

[@Artemisthemp]

@@TheMythkeeper Most my Pathfinder Ancestry/Heirtage comes from Demiplane as navigating Paizo shop is pretty hard (at less on mobile.

[@winterkalte819]

2e leshy design is creepy af

[@franklinrichards8851]

I am so sorry but why is it that it sounds like you are saying Obgoblins and not Hobgoblins with an H like in Hob. Not Ob sorry it is driving me crazy.

[@TheMythkeeper]

I thought it was like honor, honesty, homage, hour and any number of other ho words, but you’re not the first to notice this so I’m trying to say the h in this word in future videos

[@franklinrichards8851]

@@TheMythkeeper You have a strong point there, the English lang. is so messed up with things like that Night and Knight. But for things like that I go back to the source of how it was pronounced from the origin or what would be called the origin. Like there are people that pronounce Drow 2 different ways, but if you go back to the creator Gary Gygax there is only one correct way of saying it. It is something the English lang. needs to fix. I mean would I be wrong going around calling Bill Ill and saying that I thought the B was silent.? Or Bryan calling them Ryan saying I thought once again the B was silent. But we do need to fix the English lang. if the letter is silent then we just need to remove it.

[@JustinBania]

Is hobgoblin pronounced "ob-gob-lin" - with a silent "h"? Have I been saying it wrong my entire life?!?

[@TheMythkeeper]

According to the comments I've been saying it wrong 😅

[@JustinBania]

@@TheMythkeeper It sounded right enough that it made me question 30+ years of fantasy reading hehe.

[@Jehtblu]

H obgoblin, not obgoblin.

[@TheMythkeeper]

I'm so sorry! I guess I've seen it written "an hobgoblin" a few times so I assumed the h was silent.

[@Jehtblu]

@MythKeeper please don't apologize. The video is really well done. I can listen to these for hours, it was just distracting. Its possible that some people might pronounce it with a silent H, but I've only ever heard them as hobgoblins, even in other media. One of my favorite races and lore.

[@ohthreefiftyone]

I’m not sure why, but sometimes people write “an” even before a pronounced “H”

[@Xo-3130]

Let me guess Pathfinder really can't flesh out their races beyond the core Human, Elves, Dwarfs, Gnomes, Hobbits... er excuse me Halflings, hence why this is like a three times most of their individual videos but its with so many.

[@TheMythkeeper]

Sort of 😂 - I’d say more simply that there’s just more material for the core ancestries but there’s enough content provided to play any of the ancestries I’ve described here

[@rjh7101]

What's up with this Ancestries ? What happened to just calling them Races ?

[@TheMythkeeper]

It was a change made in second edition.

[@dragonlord498]

i agree personally don't think that change really made sense given how different each of them often is they aren't the same species or such different ancestries makes me think they share a close common ancestry which lizardfolk and cat folk i strongly doubt do, its just one of those many strange and potentially dumb (depending on the reason for the change like i really dislike some of the changes they did to some classes like oracle) things they did when making 2e in my opinion

[@Jon_East]

Not to open Pandora's box here, so I'll keep it fairly surface level, but basically the term "race" didn't make sense to begin with. Race is a social construct, not biological or even cultural. It's just something that came out of certain societal ideas (and, as you can imagine, was mostly related to gross claims about "which race is superior" and such). Using the term to refer to different fantasy creatures doesn't make sense, because they have much more clearly defined biological and cultural differences. Add to that the fact that "race" is a very loaded term with lots of difficult connotations, and it just makes sense to move away from it. Just because DnD established the term doesn't mean everyone has to stick to it - that's my personal opinion at least. :)

[@dragonlord498]

@@Jon_East ya like many are likely closely related to humans least races like elves and dwarves while lizardfolk and such much further related

[@rjh7101]

@@Jon_East race is not a social construct. It's biological pure and simple.