More questions than answers for Rassie's Boks

As a new-look Bok lineup readies to face Portugal on Saturday, Keo & Zels debrief in the aftermath of Ireland's dramatic victory at Kings Park.
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[@davidroseitg]

Really fair and nice as an Irish person to hear the respect from these commentators. Respect guys, Ireland can play more than one way and so can the bokks

[@carterpaul2688]

Nice to DRAW the series with you

[@user-qe1tv1bu2f]

​@@carterpaul2688no it wasn't

[@noahdaniels7103]

Thanx. Most Irish are nice but their media and pundits is another story. We can understand the passion from the fans. No team ever can win everything that's just unrealistic..

[@LeMerch]

@@noahdaniels7103you mean just Off The Ball media.. there’s more than just them. They’re clearly tabloid news

[@SwiftSP]

​@@carterpaul2688 Frawley stunned us you guys earned that win........

[@brianmsahin]

As an Irish fan , huge respect to you guys. The best comment in this video. We outIrelanded them in the first test, they outSpringboked us in the 2nd test . You got that in a nutshell !🇮🇪🇿🇦🇮🇪🇿🇦🇮🇪🇿🇦

[@PB22559]

What the saffer pundits and fans didn't realise in the pre game build up is that this Irish side up their performances when they're written off and written off they were. Plus, they don't lose 2 on the trot.

[@EolasColas]

These boys are fair and talk sense, much respect from Ireland and Munster 💪

[@brucefale6132]

Hindsight is a great thing....lol Watch videos before test matches and ones after they win

[@MrDOB1000]

Apart from arrogant, self entitled titles to videos

[@carterpaul2688]

Im from Ireland

[@Lem_200]

Mate, these lads are painful most of the time. Ireland came out and played like a determined Ireland side. That first test could have gone either way too! Beaten in their own backyard!

[@TheRock90909]

You obviously havent watched many episodes.

[@patrickbrennan911]

Really nice guys. Really respectful. So nice to hear. And so magnanimous of you. I’ve heard you underestimate the Irish before, nationally and provincially. So this podcast took balls. Had a great time in your country as always. Respect to SA and your passion for the game. Unmatched my any other nation. ❤

[@corcaigh]

Loving the show from Cork. Respect to SA world champs and your supporters, great series.0

[@herdonagel]

I’ve been watching since the World Cup, thoroughly enjoy the show. Today I just gained even more respect for you both, saying it as it is. Though but true for our Boks. Thank you guys!

[@user-pr2pt5vm1j]

Faf and Pollard are off their game. Faf is slow and indecisive while Pollard's kicking is the only thing that is keeping him in the team.

[@NavanOlivier]

Facts

[@daboys7983]

😭😭😭😭😭

[@plutoniumnitrate1201]

more like Faf and not Pollard....Libbok should have slotted in at 15 with Sasha at 9 and playing the same team was a mistake

[@patrickbrennan911]

Faf had about 4 knock ons in the ruck in the first test. His kicking was poor in test 2 also.

[@kristian762]

All the boks are off their game. Either that, or still developing their game.

[@Leeside999]

Great chat. Great podcast. Greets from Ireland.

[@101MIGHTYJOE]

Irish fan here, moving beirne to 6 and bringing in Ryan at lock added the extra bulk and aggression that was missing the previous week. Big issue is still our prop depth, until we have 5 to 6 international quality props we won't win a world cup

[@patrickbrennan911]

The IRFU have decided that no more foreign props can be brought in to Ireland, with a view to developing our own.

[@FareedLoyiso]

Bok scored penalty try against ireland

[@101MIGHTYJOE]

​@patrickbrennan911 I saw that announcement from David humphreys. I think it's a great idea but my beloved munster will be in trouble as our loosehead and hooker options are average at best

[@barrybyrne5071]

Great analysis guys! But don’t be too hard on your team! End of the day you are the best in the world, you are the world champions and you are the bar that we Irish aim for! Great Irish win, we felt great but reality is there is never more then a score between us. We make each other better!

[@conchronic]

Appreciate the respect shown to Ireland in your analysis from a Munsterman 👍

[@lizzyhanahoe4197]

Really enjoyed listening to you guys, you are brutally honest particularly about your own team. Thanks for giving Ireland the credit they deserved. I actually couldn’t believe how forcefully they took the game to the Boks. I said to my friend who had not seen the first game, “this is like a total reversal of last weeks game”. Amazing! I am so proud of our lads in the Green of Ireland. Of all the players Ireland had missing, I would like to include Jack Conan who wasn’t available, he always gives 100% and he’s powerful too. Thanks SA for hosting, thanks for all your fair comments, respect ☘🇮🇪💚

[@jbuck147]

It takes a considerable time to bed in a new attacking system - Ireland went through that when Farrell became head coach and there are going to be ups and downs on the journey to reach a consistent level with the players and coaches all on the same wavelength. Other countries such as New Zealand and Australia are basically in the same place with new coaching teams and they will want to change the previous regimes methods to align more with their own coaching philosophy. Rassie and Tony Brown are probably well aware that it may not look too good at the beginning, but if you stick at it the rewards are usually well worth it. The best time to implement it is at the start of a new world cup cycle so there is time to adapt as you go along.

[@painreliefcentre0509]

Hi guys from an Irish perspective I really enjoyed the chat. It is an honest assessment of the game and you gave the Irish credit for their performance. I listened to another SA rugby pod and it was pure arrogance and stupidity. Critical of the Bokke players and management. They want to drop the whole SA team I think. Also said Ireland were only missing one player so their knowledge of Irish rugby is pathetic. Also stated that Frawley missed 2 drop goals in European cup final. If it's not in their country they don't know anything about rugby. I get that as we are new boys on the block you don't much about us but don't show your complete ignorance of the Irish rugby team. For gods sake we play in the URC same as you. It was super analysis by you guys. Well done.

[@stephenoconnor260]

Love the show! Outbokked! Greetings from ☘️

[@danielgriffin9431]

Kudos, nice to hear balanced, incisive analysis (Irish fan here). Tho I disagree on one point .. if there was a 3rd test, I would back the Boks to bounce back. From what I see, I do believe there was a bit of complacency amongst the Boks, fostered by the Irish injuries during the week - this explains to some degree their 1st half performance. And it’s always easier to motivate that extra 1 or 2% after a loss, which was essentially the difference between the sides! Great discussion Thks.

[@tonymurphy9795]

Absolutely.

[@BentJ87]

I wish Rassie could watch this show and hear what he says about this. The most technical and comprehensive show out there. Particularly Marks ability to recall stats and results from as far back as time itself. Mark/ Zels, can’t you get Rassie on the show to talk exactly this?

[@markmacken1]

You guys crack me up.. Great series and great coverage.

[@garethjsteed]

True Rugby men very knowledgeable. Finally a rivalry 🇮🇪

[@shaneelbachoo2480]

Wow! Absolutely agree with Zels’ analysis and opinion on where the Boks are at versus where they came from with Jacques involved.

[@johnmccullough6437]

Best analysis and even-handed approach from South African media that I've watched post this short series. As an Ulsterman, I salute you.

[@maverickat4544]

Jesus. Calm down guys. We lost the game by one point which included two drop goals against one of the very best sides in the world.

[@ernstvanderwesthuizen2581]

Totally agree... If both dropkicks didnt succeed, nobody would've complained about our approach, beating the second best team in the world twice in a row!

[@richardfincham7744]

I don't think Kwagga is a starter and our game management in the last 10 minutes was terrible

[@cobusbrits2]

Agree, Kwagga great impact player. Wiese also not the answer and hope Evan can step up as well as Hanekom. Game management yes but even more our forwards attack system is a failure. Too many single players going into contact where the ball gets ripped from them by multiple Irish waiting for them. If we want to play an expansive game (which we currently suck at), the Bok forwards need to attack in pods or we will keep on getting turned over.

[@AC-hu3xk]

100 %

[@anci3ntr3turns]

i agree fully he does his best work off the bench

[@Forest9528]

I've been saying since last year already that Kwagga is one of our best players but he is not a starter. His value is coming off the bench and giving 200% for the last 30 minutes. I do think that if Wiese was available then he'd have been playing. Hopefully Hanekom heals quickly and gets a shot against Argentina maybe

[@MrDOB1000]

@@richardfincham7744 he's a bit overrated. Doris is a real leader and skillful no.8.

[@ericfenech906]

The travesty of being a Bok supporter is that because the Boks aren’t consistent, ever, they will always leave us supporters disappointed or saddened. They miss three penalties and win by 7 points, they convert all 8 penalties and lose by 1 point. They started the drop kicking game or at least resuscitated it in a World Cup by Jannie de Beer, who dropped 5 against England, and then shelf it completely 🤷🏻‍♂️ Another thing that really gets me is, we got caught out two weeks in a row with the same move that resulted in a try by Conor Murray, that set the tone for the last game. Furthermore, our guys looked very lethargic in that game to me.

[@stevencahill3628]

makes you appreciate the greatness of that mid 2010s ab team that much more. rassie was right in his assessment about being good between rwcs aswell as in the rwc in and of itself, to be counted amongst the true greats.

[@Alias-gy3tz]

Yes, just a shame that they blatantly cheated to win the 2011 world cup... That world cup was bought.

[@mor5190]

Total respect to you guys for being so objectively fair to Ireland.The Boks are the best in the world, biggest most ruthless squad, winning a world cup from a nightmare section of the draw which our Irish squad couldn't cope with after our win against the Boks, it took too much out of our squad by the time we played a rested All Blacks. The Boks v the All Blacks will be VERY interesting for a neutral viewer in late august-september.

[@everest5141]

Just came on this podcast - great show - Really liking the analysis from a Boks perspective

[@mlisto7367]

Mark it was great meeting you on Monday. Great chat and wish your partner speedy recovery. Brilliant content once again chaps, keep them coming.

[@richardroberts325]

Really great personalities! The rugby reviews are just a bonus!

[@nathanyuhlmoheng3187]

What you saying is the truth. That is why it hurts so much. We are currently lost…

[@reesheggie561]

Thanks for a great show gents, pleasure to listen as always and thank you for keeping us sane. All credit to Ireland they deserved the win and they should be proud....as a SA Bok supporter when we lose I can still feel pride as I did when we lost against Ireland at the WC, only if we play as ourselves.... but when I cannot reason the lack of variation on attack with no close channel ball to the best inside centre in the world Damian (not once) to fatigue the defenders and inveriably attrack at least 3 or more to the tackle, and Pollards inability to attract defenders or even challenge the advantage line.....his poor kicking so soon out of hand when we are in the 22m on attack, no pressure built, failing to kick deep on a goal line dropout which we 'never' gather,, or kicking again in the 22m in the last 8 minutes instead of holding possession and grinding out the penalty to put the game out of reach....I am embarrassed for those simple game management decisions and an inability to dominate the Irish physically in order to mentally apply pressure, making them want to opt out of the collisions and slowly fade away. Why is attack only seen as one philosophy of ball in hand, I have always found that our defence and grinding play is a form of attack as it is so hard to live with and inevitably leads to opportunities, which we have so clinically finished off before. I cannot agree that Pollard looked good based on that, his inability to commit defenders leaves no opportunity for space out wide. He has no counter attack ability on the turn overs, just kicks it up field instead of turning to the open side and playing wide away from defenders to stretch them, and a direct run into the defender on his next attempt, while young Sasha manages to show him how to hustle and to challenge the gain line making them turn, making them panic. Manie played the majority of the 23WC and that mobilised the backline, advantage line attack and hard defence, sublime kicking out of hand on a dime, a balance of power and skill of Springbok rugby that I could be proud of. Looking at the URC Bulls amazing semi-final win against Leinster and in contrast this new Tony Brown "attacking style", I don't recognise our proud rugby style in the Springbok team at the moment and I feel if we lose our identity again we will spend the rest of the next 4 years trying to find it again wondering why, why waste all the talent we have. Of course we missed Willie here no doubt. Pollard did claw our way back in the 2nd half but I maintain without this inefficient attack which simply looks like practice drills on the pitch (no ruthlessness no real threat) and Pollards poor kicking out of hand and not challenging the advantage line, we would not have been down 16 point to begin with. We beat the all blacks 35 -7 at Twickenham (with an almost completely different backline I might add) and somehow there is a misconception from across the world that we are not an attacking side, this is the most effective politics in rugby I have ever heard and I cannot believe that Rassie has succumbed to this misdirection and what is a clear tactic as soon as we are too dominant in the game. Nothing against Tony Brown as I love the guy but moving away from our gain line dominant structure that quite clearly feeds a dominant pack, for 6 passes to go sideways is not an effective attack and I cannot believe we are back to this out of date structure, we are not Japan or NZ. Our structure and shape are key differences to our game that we thrive on. Forgive the lack of subtlety but I am a hurting South African for something that is very clearly avoidable.

[@Burninglash]

Those last 4 minutes we looked nieve not like a 990 test cap team. Where was the hold the ball to close out the game? Those drop goals were fantastic but should never had happened because Ireland should have been unable to get their hands on the ball.

[@cashel77]

By the way - great analysis. Respect from 🇮🇪 🏉 ☘️

[@twalsh51]

Fair play to you for admitting that we Irish have balls. We are Celts and known throughout the world as "The Fighting Irish". Andy Farrell, our beloved Head Coach, is Anglo-Irish and therfore the same blood runs in his veins. There is no doubt that the great Boks are rightly number 1 and we are number 2. Not much separates us as evidenced in test 2 and in numerous games between us in the past 18 months. Test 1 could have been won by us except for the English ref and his sideline pals that ensured by their ridgedness that we were penalised at every turn costing us a try in test 1. It took 8 penalties (if I can recollect correctly) that allowed the Boks back into the game in test 2. If we had more discipline the margin may have been greater. One should also consider that we were missing 5 key players and rugby is only ranked 4th as our national game and as Rassie said we only have about 160 professional rugby players in the whole country. Given that we do punch well above our weight. There is undoubtedly rivelry between the Boks and us but there's also exists great respect and a closeness that does not exist elsewhere. We have had SA coaches, including Rassie at Munster, and players freely moving to Ireland and playing and coaching with our proviential teams. We also learn from one another and the respect between us is at another level. I would not take any notice of headline grabbing pundits who run off at the mouth to gain headlines. The Boks are a great team that reflects the great culture and traditions of SA. Only for a crap unjust selection process in the RWC, probably deliberately contrived by the powers that be, we could have met the great Boks in the final which would have been an experience to watch. The Boks are renowned for their big hard hitting players and now we Irish have shown in test 2 that it works both ways. Notwithstanding the test 2 result we Irish have the greatest respect for the great SA BOKS. Finally, your programme is excellent and I chuckled many times. Keep doing what you are doing. ☘️☘️

[@Dan1973100]

🇮🇪❤🇿🇦

[@paulmulryne8405]

Hmmmm, if that blood runs in Andy F, then it runs in Owen as well... are you claiming him too? 😉

[@markmagic4784]

Our Springboks have the 63% winning margin, however we don't close the games out like the AB's are known for, to often a win has been fortunate because we have allowed the other team to remain in the game. Great test series and great commentary on this programme!!

[@LeMerch]

Since the year 2000: It’s Ireland 9 - 8 South Africa That’s almost quarter of a century and basically the entirety of the professional era. It’s a nice place to grow this rivalry if it takes off. I’d love to see it. The real rivalry is between SA & NZ, but there’s room for more. From that last game, I really think these two teams may be one!

[@timbaker4253]

Most of those games were year end games played in Ireland when the Boks are at the end of their season and hence tired

[@kelsyn21]

Tired maybe, but that's an excuse to be honest with you

[@vincentc1454]

@@timbaker4253You do realise that Saturday’s victory came at the end of a 13 month season?

[@kelsyn21]

9:37 all blacks (2011-15) 90% win rate both home and away NZ have a better win/loss ratio over the northern sides during end of year tests TIRED??? maybe S.A are, maybe they clock out end of year NZ trying to win every game the can

[@LeMerch]

@@vincentc1454 they never take anything other then BokStats into account.

[@Natedawg38]

That was a good series. And that drop goal...ill never forget it. My voice is still broken from yelling.

[@seansayer7684]

Keo and Zels are putting too much stock in winning the world cup. Mallet is right, winning three games by 1 point doesn't make us the blueprint. We are not as good as we think we are. Why will we be any better in this year's rugby championship than last year's? No reason to think we will. NZ and Australia are hungry to beat the world champs, and we are the favourites. Bad combo.

[@stevenbissett]

@seansayer7684 SA run the risk of becoming the England team of 2003 with every man and his dog lining up to beat the World Champs.

[@afikiletokwe9938]

Pollard and Faf are way too comfortable in their jerseys, Rassie has quality in those positions.

[@ethancroft5512]

You can add Bongi and Kolisi to the list. Bongi was a passenger on Saturday while Kolisi was so ineffective that he had to be subbed after only 50 minutes. No way SA beats NZ later this year if those two are playing.

[@subhuman119]

Unfortunately you're right, you can put Bongi and Kolisi in that argument as well. But it's not just about being comfortable, it's simply alot of the current SA squad are getting on in years. If you look at the 2015 AB's, after that World Cup a bunch of experienced players hung up the boots, and the team in all respects has never been the same since. If some of these more experienced SA players aren't phased out of the squad or give up their jersey, it's only going to count against the Springboks on the field and the scoreline.

[@username-iq1nt]

Bongi, Siya, Mostert, Frans, Kitshoff will be too old to play in the next WC. I can see maybe Eben and PSDT deserving a spot, but the rest of the pack will need to undergo generational transition (aside from Malcolm, Ox and Jasper)

[@PB22559]

Good stuff boys. One point- You're saying this is the best you've seen Ireland play, I wouldn't agree with that one. Winning the test series in NZ after losing the first test was the best we've seen from Ireland. Nevertheless, at the weekend, they were short 5 top class players and had to use 3rd/4th choice in a couple of positions. That's what made this particular win so impressive. They weren't going back to Ireland without a win and they play better when people write them off. They don't lose 2 on the trot, they've been the most consistent side for a few years now. I think they're only 3 losses in 24 or 25 games.

[@bernardswart2019]

Because physicality and dominating collisions is such a big part of the Boks game, it just feels like of they are not in a frame of mind where they have a point to prove and bring that level of desperation to a game, they look a completely different side. I think the 2022 AB test at Ellis Park is a very good comparison. Unfortunately, Handre almost mirrors this trait, he is a beast in knockout rugby, but while his kicking was on song on Saturday, his general game play and execution all around was very poor and led to decisive moments in the match. Looks like we are a 60 odd percentage team between world cups, who produces great results every now and then as soon as our pedigree gets questioned.

[@michealcrowe]

As a proud sports mad Irishman delighted with the never say die attitude and the performance. Nice to hear you saying good things about us. Great show guys very enjoyable. Best of luck in the Rugby Championship. 😀☘

[@garyhutton2654]

Hi lads, great production and honest constructive comments. I would like to point out that south africa has 60 odd million folks we in Ireland have max 6 million we should not be at the races with those stats but such is life. Anyways I loved your reaction and hope to visit there soon

[@geoffnelson6756]

Fair shout lads with the 'respect' comments and loved the opening song, just brilliant, one thing which applies to all teams, Energy and Intent, SA had it for the first test, angered by the WC loss, Ireland had it in spades for the second week, very difficult to bottle that and bring it out a week later. I think the catalyst for Irelands intent was the tackle by Snyman on Casey, while not illegal, definately unnecessary given the size difference, I think Farrell motivatedthe team around that event.

[@wjcvwcrsa]

These two teams do provide great test matches, though I do wonder about the nature and spirit of this rivalry based on the on-field interactions and post match interviews. Maybe also an aspect of their contests that has to evolve. Well done to both sides 💪

[@leonabc298]

Yeah couldn’t agree more, I’m no expert but I have been watching this wonderful sport for many many years, and the second the Boks became “favorites” I predicted an Ireland comeback in the 2nd test. I’ve seen it over and over. That said, the Irish were incredible and immensely physical. Unbelievable performance from the Irish, one can only tip your cap and pay them the respect they deserve. Well done Ireland!

[@timbaker4253]

Pretty downbeat episode. Understandable. Love your show guys. I’m with Zels on his concerns.

[@DirkJansen1982]

The way the Irish celebrated showed how much it meant to him. Amazing series! Putting this into perspective. (1) South Africa are the World Champions,(2) ranked number 1 going into the series and still number 1 after the series (3) Drawn series (4) 51- 45 points difference in favour of South Africa after 2 matches...only question, why wasn´t there a third test match?

[@SmcdMcd-d2k]

Ireland have 4/5 wins .. away from home, neutral venue and in Ireland

[@africancanary7441]

@@SmcdMcd-d2kthey can proudly put that on their Wikipedia pages

[@patrickbrennan911]

You can’t do an aggregate on a two game series. What about away vs at home. Away advantage has to be considered. As it is in the ranking points.

[@Carlo4rm1doorblock]

@@SmcdMcd-d2k😂😂 yal are so obsessed with that stats…that’s like winning 4 World Cup finals to yal

[@SmcdMcd-d2k]

@@Carlo4rm1doorblock yalll are so obsessed with us you created an ad on Twitter like a movie . Can’t stay off our content and you are obsessed with doping … you are all just butt hurt you lost on home soil. Fake champions

[@greatshark9625]

Guys please relax. In Rassie we trust. That is our slogan and we are not going to change it. Other teams are getting as strong as us. We are no longer the biggest.. other teams like Ireland have players bigger than us and are catching up in strength. World Rugby has taken away the Springbok strengths.. the kick chase is now useless with all the blocking, the maul after one stop makes it ineffective.. we have a crazy player profile in the backline with skill and speed. Why would we not develop a hybrid model to take advantage of the natural speed and skill set? Rassie saw this in the RWC, he kept on asking the guys to bring a vibe, he the realised that we will need a coach to coach our attack if we are to successfully lead the pack. Let’s all buy into the plan. Not saying that we must leave our natural strengths.. guys like Wilco must join the team to ensure our scrum is an effective as possible. Imagine Wilco and Ox.

[@Sabido27]

I think something missing from this podcast is that The Irish have had so many games together this calendar year whereas for us we still fresh together as a team and for me that plays as a hugggeee advantage !!!!! Huge my man

[@johnmartin7370]

One all in SA Series, plus the RWC win against the Boks is tilting the scales towards Ireland. We have won 2 out of the last three matches, and NOBODY else has beaten the mighty BOKS in that time, in fact, nobody else has beaten the Mighty Boks twice in the last Two RWC campaigns. Love this show keep it going.

[@stevenbissett]

When Ireland or SA play a 15-man AB team they don't win. Go figure.

[@BlazeEigs]

So we're in crisis now? Best performance I've ever seen from Ireland. First victory I've seen from them over us, where both teams are playing to a decent level, that I actually felt was a genuine victory as opposed to us missing players and kicks and so on. The fact of the matter is that we can stretch back really far with this team where we dont put full performances together. Losses to Aus in rugby champs in SA couldve won, loss to Ireland in Dublin could've won, big win against England that we couldn't score after minute 60, should've put 50 up, thrash ABs in Nelspruit then let it slip at ellis park when we could have put them t the sword, big win against ABs pre world cup which again, could have put nearly 50 up but went to sleep after minute 60, went to sleep vs France in quarters in first period of second half where game started to slip and were it not for our scrum, started on snooze vs England in semis, again thanks to our scrum, came out blitzing ABs in final and again, with all the odds in our favour, we went to sleep and nearly lost. In this series in 1st test, shouldve absolutely smoked Ireland, went missing in patches, 2nd test worked our way back and again, went to sleep. I totally get that your quality opposition is likely to have a patch in the game themselves but we're not managing games at times, regardless of the strategy or mindset we're playing with. The 2019 world cup final was something like a complete performance. There are countless times we kick when we should run and run when we should kick, and its often around the state of the match we're playing. Better decision-making is needed, course management as it were. I personally believe this is what Bok coaching team is after AND that they will achieve it, the players we have now, compared to the past, are much better footballers, much more skilled ball players and they'll get it right.

[@PB22559]

Nah. The best Irish performance was when they won the series test in NZ. In the last 5 games between the sides, Ireland have 4 wins and the boks have only 1. At the weekend, Ireland were missing 6 of their top class players and had some 3rd/4th choicers on the field... but they still won. The boks are deserved world champs but its worth remembering you only won every knock out game by 1 pt. You didn't dominate anyone and you played against 14 for most of the final. You deserve you're number 1 spot after winning the world cup, but you cannot say you're better than this Irish side. They're the most consistent side with only 3 losses from 24 or 25 games.

[@phillipmurray1724]

Excellent overview. Subscribed 🎉

[@aconsideredopinion7529]

It was an excellent match both teams played so well..

[@davidmeredith8979]

We have seen NZ dominate rugby for years, where SA have been good but never dominant. Now that we have 2 world cups & many hope we can become dominant, especially between world cups. We have the potential but it still seems like a work in progress, even after 2 world cup trophies.

[@fuzyboy45]

We were bad and lost to a drop goal. At our worst we lost by small margins. One thing is clear these two teams are far above the rest.

[@cn6219]

The point the commentators were also making was that at your best you won 4 knockout matches by 1-2 points. If you can look at the IRB rankings you will see SA and Ireland and to an extent NZ are now well clear of France , England. That is reflected in the recent results pattern.

[@SeanPattonFilm]

I've said this since the 2019. SA are the best team in the world. There is a tournament to decide that and they're back to back champions. Ireland being 1 or 2 in the rankings shows we are very consistent and capable of competing with the best.

[@LockedDownSpectator]

It just goes to show you that the waters of decency, respect and logic among the world rugby spectators are being muddied by clickbait, trolling and idiots who have nothing to add to debates and discussions. This is as balanced a discussion as I have ever heard from South Africans.

[@N1ghtCrawler1]

Love the channel guys not sure I agree with the analysis on this one though. Ireland played great but they hardly beat us…if you look at the first half we made a bunch of unforced errors and missed real opportunities to score points…2nd half we completely dominated the game and chose penalty kicks instead of going for tries which might of not come off. They got a drop goal after 80mins fair play but I see a lot of positives for the Boks.

[@sacredagriculture3745]

Great honest review gents.

[@montigol]

high praise from Keo and Zels

[@user-nj8di5tj8h]

The intro was hilarious 😂

[@sechuan]

i agree about the backs to the wall thesis, and i think its because so much of the bok advantage comes from physicality. physicality requires focus and that extra 1% effort. knockout matches the boys find that extra bit to make their tackles or disrupt a ruck. the ABs and ireland on the other hand can rely on their system to just keep girinding, through the hands, until a space opens and a player of talent can move 30m up the pitch

[@averageyoutubeuser5537]

Agree that Ireland played great rugby. You guys said that the Boks should stick to the physical game, yet Rassie is trying to expand on that. The fact that Ireland matched and overcame the Boks physicality shows that the Boks won’t have a way to win if they do not try and at least practice the expansiveness, for when the upfront and physical game plan doesn’t work. South Africa didn’t need to rely on the physical game plan in the first test because of the expansiveness.

[@paulmulryne8405]

Nice to hear a slightly more humble approach from these guys... will add that Farrell is English...

[@SovrinWealth]

Awesome content guys - loved Ricci at the end - Portugal is a nothing match except to blood a few players - The Championship will up the tempo and those AB games will be EPIC - three years to the next WC and lot's to look forward to....

[@kirtap2601]

Maybe a reason that implementing the NZ model in Ireland has worked so well, is that Ireland didn’t have to reinvent tribalism. It was already there in the four provinces.

[@kidMclean]

Great show, great episode and a great game of rugby . The only question I have from the game is all the faces full of blood what actually happened. As far as I could tell there were no replays, it wasn't foul play otherwise we would of heard about it just curious to know what happened 😊

[@neilmontgomery3470]

Nice review from an Ireland fan but I think some of your previous videos were a little bit dismissive of the Irish team. Remember Ireland played quite poorly in the first test and only lost by 7. They scored three excellent tries had two more disallowed on very marginal decisions and missed 3 kicks off the tee.

[@Carlo4rm1doorblock]

Lol are u bitching for more respect?

[@patrickfitzgerald5]

As an Irish fan we are delighted but the boks are not invincible-need to unleash new talent-we have an ageing team too

[@leinsterfarmer]

Great Listen guy's

[@jksinorbit]

Hmmm i think Ireland were great in the first half, boks better in the second a draw would have been accurate and honestly we had it wrapped up with 2 mins on the clock but for that knock on for van Staden it was done n dusted. Still they came up with the big play when it mattered. So well done to them.

[@thehappysmiler6752]

A team like New Zealand would have felt comfortable? Come on you guys, New Zealand don't need to watch the Irish to learn how to win in SA. Come on now. They're the one team that does not fear the Boks.

[@SmcdMcd-d2k]

Neither does ireland but all teams watch everyone

[@thehappysmiler6752]

@@SmcdMcd-d2k Of course they do but feel free to check NZ's record in South Africa.

[@SmcdMcd-d2k]

@@thehappysmiler6752 no because this isn’t about them

[@thehappysmiler6752]

@@SmcdMcd-d2k Zel and Keo made it about them when they said "The All Blacks would have looked at that and felt comfortable". Hence my comment.

[@Carlo4rm1doorblock]

Yeah allblacks don’t need Watch Ireland to beat us….. but Ireland surely needs to watch the all blacks if they wana keep on beating us

[@markt6743]

Zels! Munster/Irl oak here. You are the oracle! You Speak sense IRL and Sa beat each other at their opposite styles. Question: what do you make of J Kirwan consistently trying to end SA style rugby? Almost trying to convert the style SA IRL played in the last tests (WC group game and recent tests in SA- which in my view were epic rugby tests- real tests) to his own preferred rugby? (don’t know why he does not just follow league, it seems that what he really wants)

[@vinceroos]

Uncle Tony bringing the ice cream😂😂😂

[@stephencooke8116]

I'm Irish and I would say that 50%-60% of the time SA will physically dominate Ireland and win. But we are a better attacking team and can turn physical teams like SA around depending upon the luck of that physical outcome and a refs breakdown interpretation. NZ are in transition, but they are abetter attacking team than we are. If NZ can sort out their line out and improve their breakdown physicality (which I think they can) they can beat SA. Im not sure of a 1, 2 commentary without NZ is a valid one!

[@mcgwj]

Agree with you on the rankings debate - there are currently 4 top sides at least who are in that discussion - NZ, France, Ireland and SA....perhaps even England at a pinch. However, no evidence to support your first assertion re: Bok v Ireland rivalry. Recent history between the two is decidedly one-sided in Ireland's favour, in pure win/loss statistical terms. Ireland are the Bok's bogey team. Stand to be corrected, but since 2017, think Ireland have won 4 of 5 games

[@pacoraye8866]

Just like Tennis and Golf where the players are focused on winning majors or grandslams, rugby is all about winning World Cups...SA are at 50%...amazing...

[@JeremyViall]

As an All Black fan I am also frustrated that the pundits are not giving England any props and hammering the All Black's for WINNING a 2 test series against a top 5 side first up in the test season!!

[@revenant2979]

@JeremyViall You guys should arrect a statue for Bauden Barrett; you were box kicking and kicking because you couldn't beat the English defense. It was not a team win; NZ just has amasing ball in hand players. It might work in Super Rugby but not on the Test level. England is a very strong team and they can be proud of themselves. This coming from a SAFFA and we do not like England. But they showed why they played so well in the RWC semi final, and it was a really hard semi for us in 2023 and an even harder semi against the AllBlacks in 2019.

[@user-mx2mp3oz6y]

Your criticism of Tony Brown seems totally misplaced guys - we can’t just rely on brute force only - Ireland showed that other teams will find a way to match us then - we now have more skilful backs then we had before

[@AliKay3011]

You two were complaining after the first test because you didn't like Tony Brown's style which made you win against Ireland by 7 points for the first time in years. You said you wanted your "brutal Boks" back. Well you got it back and they got brutalized. Rassie realized that you can't just brutalize any of the top 4 teams, you have to have more than that. Hence why he brought in Tony Brown. They tried his method against Wales and then against Ireland in the first test and scored some amazing tries! It's not a coincidence that they lost the second test because they went back to their usual crash, bash, kick style. Ireland is not the same anymore. Schmidt began their transformation and Farrell has taken them to another level, especially with some of the rugby league elements he has incorporated into their game.

[@Carlo4rm1doorblock]

Yal speak like we couldn’t score try’s before Tony …. Well, sit down & watch the 2019 World Cup final

[@stevenbissett]

​@@Carlo4rm1doorblockWhy did you hire a Kiwi if you know how to score tries then?

[@Carlo4rm1doorblock]

@@stevenbissett what a stupid question

[@stevenbissett]

@Carlo4rm1doorblock The NZRU would never employ a saffa for a super rugby coaching role, let alone as part of the AB set up. So why have you hired a kiwi? Are you short on coaches or something?

[@Carlo4rm1doorblock]

@@stevenbissett And the springboks would never let players from other countries play for the for them... Mark Telea is South African by blood

[@geoffnelson6756]

Just like to comment on the 'croc roll' as apparently Marx has a leg break, i really don't think there was intent there, Etzebeth was holding McCarthy preventing him from clearing out, this changed the whole dynamic of the tackle, Marx is so strong, which meant Ryan was forced to come in from about 10 yards away and worsened the situation. Another point, not wishing to get into ifs and buts, but SA lucky with a couple of clear wrong penalty calls enabling them to get their nose in front, as I said many missed calls throughout, but felt that was a crucial point in the game.

[@trevormc4447]

Gents, really enjoy the POD but what's being alluded to here, how SA need pressure/Jepordy to win is a cop out. SA are the best team in the world, the expectation is they win every game with that title, no excuses.

[@frikvanniekerk1873]

I dont care if we loos games in pre wcups as long as we get that cup. No on going to remember you for a 90%win rate,the cup baby the cup is whats its all about

[@robertjan002]

Keo and Zels. You tried to give us our veggies 🥕 🥦 in the two previous podcasts but there were some toddlers crying for ice cream 🍨 🍭 🍫 🧁 from uncle Tony. 🎅 🎄

[@chris.pretorius]

Zels is 100% correct

[@kennethqondani3452]

Playing the same team was a big mistake ...kwaga he is so good from the bench not to start

[@ilollipop100]

You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs.... You can't just keep playing one way... Development isn't always going to be easy. Don't be scared of change.

[@davidwalker2402]

You also can’t make a silk purse from a sows ear. Can this team play an expansive running rugby game. Needs many changes..

[@zikomadikizela121]

Problem with SA is we only take things serious when our lives depend on it. It will be extremely difficult for us to be consistent in winning all the upcoming matches.

[@davidwalker2402]

That’s a cop out that is only ever said after a team loses.

[@user-qe1tv1bu2f]

​@@davidwalker2402 Bollocks, I've been saying it for ages since the Irish lions one point and RWC one point victories. Our guys lost it by a point but got smashed to bits by a 2nd team depleted

[@davidwalker2402]

@@user-qe1tv1bu2f a depleted side at home with home crowd down to 14 men SA might be world champions but they are not the best team in the world right now .

[@Camcolito]

It's amazing that SA never take it serious or are experimenting or lose on purpose or get on the wrong side of the referee so often against Ireland. It's almost like at some stage the reason might be they lost to the better team on the day. Spooky.

[@Carlo4rm1doorblock]

Facts, and they won’t understand coz they not South African

[@millerbiz]

Boks need to play Bok rugby. Trying to play a different style is tricky. When they win it will look amazing but don’t expect consistency

[@SikhoThomas-mz3hh]

Nienabers Team waited on Manie/Am/Willemse/Le Roux to be on the field in order to attack. This team only Had Willie for 1 Match, where in that team they passed the ball yet still scored only 1 Backline try. It's got nothing to do with the way they want to play, but the players/combinations they have on the field is the problem.

[@user-eg3xf7sl4x]

Have mentioned before in previous pods but will repeat ..what has happened to the art of the drop kick 6 / 10 metres out ..unfortunately this came from Ireland thinking not the Boks...

[@mag101able]

If we want to play a more attacking style, as opposed to attacking from a defensive position and putting the opposition under pressure, then we need players like Grant, Mannie, and Hacjivah in the squad. I love Faf and Polly, but they are best utilized with a game plan that is dictated by the boot. If we are to be more consistent, we need the right type of players for the right game plan; otherwise, we'll remain a tournament team that performs best under pressure and as the underdog.

[@keithfinch1053]

Thanks boys. Still want more content though!!

[@SikhoThomas-mz3hh]

Faf/Pollard/De Allende/Kriel, have been playing together as a combination basically since WC quarters. Since then it's been 1 point wins, 7 point win and a 1 point Loss. Limited tries. It's not difficult to see what's wrong with this combination.

[@ethancroft5512]

That's a very one-sided assessment. Rugby isn't just about scoring points. It's also about preventing the opposing team from scoring points, and those players you mention are all defensively sound and have been instrumental in winning matches.

[@1414rebel]

True Podcast

[@whakatane6298]

You can't win every game consistently by bashing it up, Rassie knows to be a consistent winning team the backs need to have flair and man Springboks have the most flair out wide, it will take time but when those backs start firing then the boks will be more than just a world cup winning team

[@adrianincapetown7043]

Grant Williams is definitely our form 9. Both Faf and Handre very much off their games at the moment.

[@tonyobrien6282]

World Cups are point-in-time achievements, the wheels can come off fast - look at the 2003 WC winning England team; Ireland beat them at their homecoming in Twickenham, much to their chagrin. You don't get free lunches just because you won the WC.

[@jacquesrousseau5472]

Both Teams Played Physically not Just Ireland mate,You 2 Probably watched Wimbledon.

[@greenplasticgun]

My view is this. Boks are 3 games into a new season with a new defense and new attack coach playing a new style which they will eventually work into a hybrid system with their old style, depending on field possie, score line, opposition, occasion. They will revert to old Boks when required and use new style to finish better in the op 22. Rassie is not stupid. Right now he's 3/4 brandy and 1/4 coke to get the players used to the brandy. He'll look for a nice balance of 1/3 brandy and 2/3 coke by the next world cup.