More's Memories Return: The True Reality | Metaphor: ReFantazio

[@kieranray5340]

The King has created an idealised version of The World Before, a fantasy with no discrimination, when we know that it was division and discrimination that led to the Magla War that destroyed humanity. He’s trying to run away from the problem in his fantasy. MC instead sees fantasy and utopia as a motivation to change the world he’s currently in. That’s the core message here: fantasy and idealism have the power to inspire meaningful change in the world, but they are not a crutch or an escape. We have to tackle the world’s problems head on.

[@kieranray5340]

I like that the “real world” is not real at all. It’s the King desperately trying to save his son from the very real hell he lives in. He’s doing a Maruki, but more over, he’s giving into his fear and anxiety.

[@KieranAstraeus]

Hi Kieran

[@demifolk8940]

Nah the modern world WAS real, we traveled around Shinjuku as the “old world”. This idealized version of the modern world is whats fantasy, the king depicted the real world as a utopia with no problems when in reality, thats not true. It was the king turning away from reality, using fiction as a form of escapism like Louis. The MC however uses fiction to guide him, strengthen his ideals, and work towards a better tomorrow. He uses fantasy to face reality, rather run away from it. I do agree with how its presented tho, for us, we know this real world is “real”. But its portrayed from the perspective of people living in a fantasy. So we have to put ourselves in the mind of the characters. Its very clever.

[@kieranray5340]

@demifolk8940 I phrased it poorly. I meant the "real world" that More presents. He can't accept that such a world is long gone and wasn't perfect.

[@javierf6162]

@@demifolk8940is there any explanation why the old world was long gone?

[@Kingdom850]

@@javierf6162 The discovery of magic led to a war that doomed humanity and ruined the world.

[@manuelmateo3392]

This whole game is basically a melting pit of almost everything Atlus has made in their three and a half decades as a company, especially some choice mechanical and thematic elements reminiscent of DDS, and this part reminded me a ton of Gale's affirmation that the events of the previous game were real, they mattered, and they weren't just illusion in DDS2.

[@muratahashira]

I agree. I think this was Atlus showing what they have learned and mastered without relying on a established ip name.

[@jesterzubrata]

It kinda sad tho mc want to make a kingdom based from more or his father book but stop by his own father because of fear also in the ending mc reading new book maybe in future game the mc will reading that book and start a new game

[@idzookami3806]

@@jesterzubrata that so poetic then if second game mc reading will book haha

[@MinatotheGreenLantern]

The MC’s name is Will btw

[@idzookami3806]

More is like maruki here living in bliss not reality

[@manuelmateo3392]

They have some key differences. Maruki's impetus was being so broken by his grief, he reasons that nobody can truly overcome theirs. This causes him to try to attack the "root", he questions why suffering needs to exist, and he's compelled to change things as he sees them. He's convinced that with his abilities, he's the only one who reasonably can. If people simply allow him the control to grant their ideals and aspirations as he sees fit and appropriate for them, then he could change reality. More is long past that. The late Hythlodaeus earnestly tried to change Euchronia, he believed he truly had what it took to unite the Tribes and secure peace in his time, but he was crushed by the grotesque, all-encompassing weight of reality. He's motivated by fear, once he remembers who he was, he is terrified of losing anything more than he has already lost. He would rather sit in a prop, a fiction of his own invention, than risk otherwise. More believes that changing reality is a pipe dream, anyone who tries will inevitably have to come to terms with the impossibility of the task. Maruki is convinced he can change reality, More is convinced it can't be changed.

[@mrex666productions7]

@@manuelmateo3392 I would say Louis is sort of like the King in that aspect. Aside that he doesn't try to run away, he tries to turn literally everyone into some rampaging monster so they can't fear anymore.

[@DəlţąQ]

Does anyone know what the soundtrack is called at 20:10 ? I've been trying to look for it, but sadly no results.

[@johnyoutubegaming]

"traversing the wastes" on the ost, it plays early on in the game too

[@DəlţąQ]

@@johnyoutubegaming okay wow, didn't expect the ost to be named that given how epic sounding it is lol Anyways thanks for answering for me :)

[@jesterzubrata]

For prince vs king fight is too epic

[@johnyoutubegaming]

@DəlţąQ thats cause its played in the first part of the game where they're on the tradia desert

[@johnyoutubegaming]

also prolly to avoid spoilers

[@HydratedChampion]

I can't believe metaphor was persona all along

[@StewartThomas100]

@@HydratedChampion maybe the real persona is the metaphor we played along the way

[@sLasHeRxXx07]

Imagine if the writers would actually set this up as the birth of the Persona series