The kit bearings that come with the B6.1 are single shield oiled bearings. Probably the most free spinning bearing I have ever seen right out of the box.
@ShortCourseWorld6 жыл бұрын
MX304 agreed
@Ripitupfilms6 жыл бұрын
Yup
@abcdefgh-db1to5 жыл бұрын
Xray bearings are great too, they are super precise yet extremely free
@Borrdrc6 жыл бұрын
between your videos and ryan styles, this newbie to offroad is learning alot. Thanks for the awesome content Jason
@triggerhappydad652 жыл бұрын
Borrd Maybe you meant Ryan Harris?
@Borrdrc2 жыл бұрын
@@triggerhappydad65 yer he calls himself Ryan styles harris
@nate15936 жыл бұрын
Another example of why stock shouldn’t be called stock, it’s anything but
@CarminesRCTipsandTricks6 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more!! It's even worse now, then they were way back in my day of Brushed Motors and NiCD ONLY! The only things we really got away with were Endbell tweaking and Battery levelling and matching. Now it seems like the only thing "Stock" anymore is the Motor.... and even THAT can be "tuned" a bit....
@devinbyrnes80586 жыл бұрын
Our club found the word Stock too confusing for new racers so we called the class Spec instead. Small change but much clearer.
@CarminesRCTipsandTricks6 жыл бұрын
@@devinbyrnes8058 That's really a clever idea! I hope it catches on.
@VestedUTuber3 жыл бұрын
How does this actually translate to actual performance, though? Is the difference in friction big enough relative to the torque of the motor to give a significant advantage, or is this more of an "every last little advantage" kind of thing?
@gravityracergt3 жыл бұрын
@@VestedUTuber In No prep Drag racing I’ve heard of people gaining 3mph using this brand Ceramic bearings. We race 132’
@yubee46723 жыл бұрын
The friction mainly comes from the seals and grease.
@Jax-pg3zm6 жыл бұрын
Ryan Harris has a great video on reoiling ceramic bearings
@ShortCourseWorld6 жыл бұрын
Max J nice
@ineedbigdrink85096 жыл бұрын
No lateral(thrust) load friction doesn’t mean much for bearings, unless both cars being compared have absolutely identical lubrication. That being said, I would run ceramic in the transmission and steel in the wheel hubs where there is more lateral stress. I was impressed with the kit bearings in my B6.1D, I don’t think I’ll be upgrading them until they need to be replaced.
@VestedUTuber3 жыл бұрын
I'd say the results aren't entirely that conclusive, but they're pretty solid. I'd like to see average lap times, same driver, same car, and possibly multiple test groups (stock bearings as control, blown and oiled stock as test group 1, ceramic bearings of brand A as test group 2, brand A blown and oiled as test group 3, groups 4 and 5 the same but with brand B, etc). Basically science the shit out of it.
@rcbuggies576 жыл бұрын
extremely good oil for reducing the amount of friction, using sewing machine oil. it's incredibly thin and lightweight and is meant to lubricate the minuscule incredibly fast bearings in sewing machines, which are very similar to bearings found in rc transmissions. Old longboarding trick.
@GeeShocker6 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that you're releasing more videos again. THX
@jacobrudock80716 жыл бұрын
I was not expecting there to be that much of a difference.
@kyledegroot145 жыл бұрын
Best thing is pull the seals and use graphite it will "lock" the bearing initially but once its frees a stock bearing will spin as well as your ceramics do out of the box old trick from my days messing with yoyo's
@Virtue_Signaling_Land_Whale2 жыл бұрын
You can buy full ceramics on aliexpress for like $4 a bearing and $2.50 for a ceramic hybrid. Its only expensive if you're buying bearings in the us where companies resell them for 10 times the price.
@jesseortega85984 жыл бұрын
Awesome Tip Jason! Thanks for the Video! I'll have to invest in some Ceramic Bearings for Both my Associateds B6 Buggies
@666bluegreen6 жыл бұрын
I have been taking one of the shields off for years, it makes a huge difference
@rclover8286 жыл бұрын
Stock racing is getting too expensive I'll stick to mod.
@zipkemhr6 жыл бұрын
Would love to see the comparison with full ceramic bearings...
@muddfoot695 жыл бұрын
So how about a brand vs brand “bang for the buck” ceramics comparison
@HYEonDEATHROW6 жыл бұрын
Now we need a “how to do maintenance to ceramic bearings” 😀.
@aroaris6 жыл бұрын
I like the comparison! Expensive but worth it for racing!
@CarminesRCTipsandTricks6 жыл бұрын
Ceramic Bearings have had an excellent reputation, and are superior in several ways (except lifespan!). I agree with you that they're freer rolling.... but some will bring up the issue of lateral loading. (Effect of the Bearings when the tires have a weight load, running on the ground) Is there some (inexpensive) means of testing these on some sort of rolling Dyno. Even if just to see how long it takes to stop from a free roll... Possible?
@darkhorsegarage96233 жыл бұрын
I race motorcycles Everyone runs ceramic bearings. I put them in and basically did the same test with my bike. I put the bike on a stand with the wheel off the ground. Gave it a flick. It went around two and one half revolutions . No front brakes on my bike. The after replacing the front wheel bearing with ceramic, I repeated the test. After two minutes the wheel was still spinning.
@andrewwhiting55263 жыл бұрын
What do you use to lubricant your ceramic bearings?
@matthewpyle75736 жыл бұрын
The bearings that come with the 2018 Xray XB2 are so smooth and free I feel like there's no need to get ceramics for it. Same with the 2018 XB4.
@BigBoy-hd8mf6 жыл бұрын
Did you blow out all the grease from the kit bearings? The grease pack is what makes most of that friction.
@NordicRC6 жыл бұрын
Good test. Thanks for sharing. Would have been nice with a test with free spinning wheels. Couldn't the huge difference be the drive train?
@rprice8886 жыл бұрын
Just cleaned out the stock bearings in the rear gear box of my YZ4 and its heaps better than the front gearbox which I have not done yet.
@swank19756 жыл бұрын
Great vid. I have my tranmission ceramic set I've not yet installed in my 17.5 buggy. Time to tear into it. :)
@caspercohrt89444 жыл бұрын
There is no friction / resistance on the bearings when they just hang freely in the air. If you want the right result, they must be tested on a track. There you will see the real difference .. If there is a difference.
@bmxguy736 жыл бұрын
this is kind of a shot in the dark but i just bought a b44.3 and im rebuilding the center diff on it and was wondering how you shimmed your center diff on the b44.3, thanks i love your video's man super pumped whenever you post
@burmese4346 жыл бұрын
idontknowgabe Did you get your answer yet?
@twistedgooner64726 жыл бұрын
Clean the stock bearings first get rid of that grease
@ScottzillaRC6 жыл бұрын
Great comparison, thanks for sharing!!
@thecman266 жыл бұрын
Very true, no comparison! If you clean grease out of stock bearings and lube with a light oil. It will be better but not quite ceramic level!
@elevensixty24345 жыл бұрын
Has the channel taken a break? Really like the host, hope it keeps going
@gravityracergt3 жыл бұрын
Just bought some RC Speed secrets ceramic bearings for my DR10
@jungyul20056 жыл бұрын
I remember that long time ago only on-road guys used ceramic bearings, ceramic balls were weak to hard impacts. That was like 7~8 years ago... how about now?
@STEVOD3136 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison thanks for sharing this
@rcbuggies576 жыл бұрын
Talking about stock hop ups can you do a video on the new factory lite kit coming out, do you think the car coming with as many hop ups as it does will harm stock by dominating it completely or do you think it will open up the class to people who can't afford the class as it is.
@msrcracing83875 жыл бұрын
nice thanks for the tips and review
@epameinondasvital21515 жыл бұрын
Hello Jason and thanks for all these awesome videos!! I just got a 22 4.0 kit and I d like to starting building it! Is it possible to tell me the size of the bearings I need to replace @ the transmition as you did? Or just buy the full set of 22 4.0 ceramic bearings? Greetings from Germany
@ytybysp6 жыл бұрын
good test
@makantahi37315 жыл бұрын
are ceramic bearing dry-because most of drag are by cage , grease, seal, and less by rotating of balls on outer and inner ring
@robertpretts44826 жыл бұрын
Really interested in your stock build. When will you complete it?
@thesouth502 жыл бұрын
You sold me bud
@twistedgooner64726 жыл бұрын
I find it hard to believe that there would be a noticeable difference in driving between ceramic and stock
@VestedUTuber3 жыл бұрын
It seems more like an "every last little advantage" kind of thing, honestly. Between two drivers of equal skill, ceramic bearings might give an edge to one of them, but in a typical club-level race it's probably not going to be noticeable.
@Reindeer911 Жыл бұрын
Not really conclusive... You should do some speed runs with a GPS and see what the difference (if any) there is. That's a more practical/real world test. I don't doubt for a second that ceramic bearings are superior to kit bearings, but the question is how much and if it is really worth the cost?
@subsociety6 жыл бұрын
Thinking about getting a new kit, have a B6.1D, but also want a 4wd. Recommend getting into tlr? I worry since they haven’t come out with a new one in a while, they will right after I buy one.
@dustincurtis82296 жыл бұрын
Wow that is a huge difference. Can u do something showing difference when u let off the throttle on a paved surface or something along those lines. Maybe just rolling down the same hill or anything that will show the difference when the weight of the buggy is also involved. Thanks for the content u r putting online for newbie racers like me. It really helps.
@RcOffroad95136 жыл бұрын
Good video bro! I have a question about center diff oil? My mbx7 eco I run on my local track, keeps nosing down over this one jump In particular. Im running 5-5-2 diff oils. What would you sugest to try to stop this? Thanks!
@arthurbreault29496 жыл бұрын
Well that just made my decision looks like I am buying ceramic Bearings for my b6.1lol
@gooklyn888gooks95 жыл бұрын
I was given some for my b6.1d is there a real difference between them?
@hazel-rah49974 жыл бұрын
Just save the money...
@brandonbentley85325 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@floridalife78775 жыл бұрын
Just curious did you degrease the bearings with a cleaner or motor spray and then add oil or are these bearings right out of the package and installed?
@skirmich6 жыл бұрын
But what about reliability? I used to run ceramic bearings on my diffs and they exploded, I never had a steel bearing grenade itself ever on a diff but I had 2 cars with ceramic bearings destroy diffs because they failed. What did you replace? Top shaft and middle gear? or diff too?
@bobaloo6824 жыл бұрын
A better easy test.. use the same motor and battery.. Set the RPM the same and look at the amp draw..
@andrewwhite28635 жыл бұрын
I was looking at buying ceramic bearings for my b6.1 project drag car. What is a good brand to get that isn't super expensive that I can get at most hobby shops?
@joracer15 жыл бұрын
Just a quick question i forgot to ask when you 1st made this vid..... A these bearings full ceramic or hybrids?
@dariusroyer6 жыл бұрын
Are ceramic bearings any more or any less durable than stock bearings from the 22 4.0 kit?
@LuisLPRCs6 жыл бұрын
I'm getting some Ceramic Bearings for my 4Tec 2.0. Nice Vid👍👍👍👍👍
@kennethjeffriesjr23346 жыл бұрын
Or run just run mod motor and turn the power down if needed no need for all that at all.
@vcrepeau6 жыл бұрын
Kenneth Jeffries JR you can’t run a mod motor in a stock class 🤷🏽♂️. The ceramics were installed in the stock car.
@ingleringlet-snipps3rd4496 жыл бұрын
Amazing difference.
@jere2300able6 жыл бұрын
Secrets awsome we all need a little help.
@redbull20076 жыл бұрын
mugen mbx8 eco review in the future?
@chrismooneyham52793 жыл бұрын
Just spinning a wheel doesn't show us anything. There is NO LOAD.
@1elaijah4 жыл бұрын
Unloaded friction vs loaded
@iliadz20925 жыл бұрын
What brand of ceramic bearings are they? I just tried a set from a fairly well known vendor and they had significantly MORE friction than my stock bearings. I've e-mailed them with a video of the performance and waiting on their reply. That aside, would like to find some good ones!
@VestedUTuber3 жыл бұрын
The grease packed into the bearings has a massive effect. Try blowing out the grease from the bearings, lubricating them with oil instead, and giving them another try.
@nitro-rc62416 жыл бұрын
More videos??
@stephanez80366 жыл бұрын
can i be the A-hole sayin' " bearings needs to be driven first to run smoother !! " the ceramic are really really smooth ! but i think it's not thanks to the ceramic, i guess it's more thanks to the lack of grease and different seals ; what do you think ?
@NerdlyCNC6 жыл бұрын
stephane Z you can do / say whatever you want. Still a fair comparison since neither set has been “driven in”
@JoelSmithR16 жыл бұрын
The ceramic is smoother than steel. Lack of grease would contribute but sometimes ceramic bearings have a lubricant in them too
@oneeyemonster32626 жыл бұрын
There's just less drag..even if it wasnt ceramic..I can easily tell..after I lube the regular beaings verse no lube ( out of the box)..if you install ceramic bearings in brushless motors..the motors would run cooler, perform better over all... if you were racing in a class...with motor size limits..ect. It would make a differences...after 5 mins into the race. It would also make a difference..if I get a no name brand motor..which perform decent..but I know I can slap better bearings in to gain better performance
@t2nate1376 жыл бұрын
Do you think that ceramic bearings could be useful in a outdoor 1/8 super light buggy?
@t2nate1376 жыл бұрын
Rm Blake I want to make a super light 1/8 buggy. Around 5.5lbs compared to the over 8lbs of a conventional buggy. And am also planning to run 2s which should be enough for a superlight. So I think that using up the most of the 2s that I can is essential.
@t2nate1376 жыл бұрын
Rm Blake true. But there aren’t any 3s “racing” lipos i can find.
@t2nate1376 жыл бұрын
Oh and it’s not my idea. Tekno made a ed48sl designed for 2s.
@bigbob34096 жыл бұрын
T2NATE VIDEOS I've been thinking about getting an 8th scale buggy. Which one is the lightest ?
@t2nate1376 жыл бұрын
Bill Johnson I really don’t know but I’m making a costume on using the slash 4x4 and the ssc8 chassis kit.
@artworkbyjohn32543 жыл бұрын
ceramic bearing only have a advantage at high RPM high heat not the RPM nor heat a rc car will generate. Same scam is happening in the bicycle world. Lab test proved no advantage given . Also any dirt on the bearing will lose any advantage the ceramic bearing would of had. So save your money and buy performance parts that actually make a difference. Ceramic bearings are used in industrial applications because of less maintenance usually on high speed conveyors belts but still not the speed RPM on a RC car gearbox wheels steering etc .
@matthewbyrd3986 жыл бұрын
Not to mention lower temperatures and better battery life.
@bonethuggerrc6 жыл бұрын
What's your take on jq ecar
@nahs74786 жыл бұрын
I want youto review xb2 2019 ce^^
@johnnyrocket57446 жыл бұрын
Does it work for all car's
@slimjimmcsausage12796 жыл бұрын
I've tried them all. Rubber seal , metal, rubber and metal, and ceramic. And on all my 8 scale I've never noticed a difference. I could see maybe on 10 scale on road cars there would be a slight difference. Imo
@stsst77882 жыл бұрын
you should race these 2 car instead of just spin it
@charlesyoung86003 жыл бұрын
That test proves nothing. There is no load being applied to the tire therefore no load to the bearing. I don't see why people do this as a test, who drives their car like that. See if it does the same thing with all four wheels on the ground. Hambini does a great upload about ceramic bearing vs standard stainless steel bearing people should watch. Then maybe they will stop doing this thinking it means something.
@Ripitupfilms6 жыл бұрын
Ceramics are great yet not worth the money if you are anywhere near real dirt. Cleaning the bearings every drive isn't worth the performance gain ceramics give you. Indoors yes.
@YouSoundButtHurt6 жыл бұрын
Why run stock bearings in the mod car? Is there a reason?
@rmanning51706 жыл бұрын
Because you are never hurting for horsepower. If you need more power just pump up your esc, or install a faster motor.
@mikefournier54166 жыл бұрын
Overpriced aftermarket goodies that may shave milliseconds off ur time won’t get u to the worlds or increase ur fun factor. A great driver that puts in the time will do as well with a stock kit without hundreds of $ in hop up$, don’t be a sucker.
@turtletrading42076 жыл бұрын
You must be that great driver.
@joracer15 жыл бұрын
The hybrid bearing, there not much difference in those and std... remove seals clean grease, dry, 1 drop oil, leave inside seal out, not much difference... maybe 5%....
@pocher696 жыл бұрын
I looked I cant find you on FB :(
@golferchin764 жыл бұрын
It is not worth it. Just the same as in bicycle world. The lap time doesn’t change. And it is prone to damage.
@Rubbinz246 жыл бұрын
Aren't most stock (ie.TLR) bearings greased, not oiled like ceramics? That would make all the difference in the world, if they were, wouldn't it? Mabye clean and lube both, with the same oil? That would make it even more "scientific"! 😉
@Rubbinz246 жыл бұрын
Anyone? Looking your way Jason....lol
@00godlovesus6 жыл бұрын
your my friend:)
2 жыл бұрын
This is useless, friction in roller bearings comes more than 85% from the shields and lubricant, in the last 15% the difference in friction might be at most around 20%. Knowing that 20% of 15% is 3% of the total, what is shown here in not valid. Never in equal cars mounted the same way, except for the bearings we could find this supposed gain in rolling resistance.
@rockncoop6656 жыл бұрын
My dad knows you his name is Chad Phillips
@hazel-rah49974 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the information age where the best liar sells the most crap.
@deggers785 жыл бұрын
I bet the same grease isn't in the two different types of bearing so this means nothing. Don't be fooled by this
@se7ensnakes5 жыл бұрын
Poor poor test. To test bearing you need to put a load on them. You also need to run a little bit so the grease becomes less of a drag. Finally you need to test this with a quality steel bearing (like NTN) and a quality ceramic bearing. This test does not mean much