More Than 1 Keypad in a Zone? Why Does the Hub Have 7 Ports?! The Monoprice/DAX66/Soundavo WS66i WHA

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In this video, we test out, and determine that you CANNOT have 2 keypads in 1 zone at this time. If I figure out a way, I will report back. We then learn that you can connect multiple keypad hubs together, by using that MYSTERIOUS 7th port! This will save me lots of time, energy, and cable, so that in my whole home audio install in my existing 2 story house, I can have a keypad hub in my basement! HOW AWESOME!

[@stevenfrazier7959]

Thanks for the discount BTW on the WS66i, thanks was really great!

[@DaddyGoFast]

Also, a large room would benefit from.having two keypads, like a three way light switch of sorts. Would like to run more than q keypad on the same zone.

[@leemartin5696]

That has made my job a lot easier as well, thanks mate. Can’t wait for the next video 👍

[@persiusonime1509]

Nice work

[@roneyr9522]

Hi, I just moved into a house which has a six zone monoprice amplifier. I managed to connect my living room tv to the system with an optical cable since my amplifier is next to my tv. My sound is working. But evertime a video or anything is started or ended, I hear a pop sound. How do I get rid of it. Also is it possible to control the sound from my tv remote ? I have another tv in my master bedroom. How do I connect that tv to this amplifier or sound to my speakers in my bedroom. I see that the wall has a blue plug like a lan plug. Appreciate your guidance greatly.

[@michaelvv777]

Very interesting! Isn’t that extension port basically useless if you connect all 6 zones to the first one?

[@TheKMZ1]

Yep that's correct!

[@Jeff-sv9mo]

Are you still able to make the 18 pin cable connectors? I need one for my system.

[@stefanobosco4099]

Hi really like the videos a lot of details will help when I decide to do my whole home system I was wondering is there a discount code for the monoprice system If you have one I will appreciate it Thank you

[@TheKMZ1]

I only have one for the WS66i sorry! But after the discount, the increased warranty with Soundavo and the 2 wireless streamers and app control module, the Soundavo is the better unit

[@stefanobosco4099]

@@TheKMZ1 thanks

[@1636patriot]

Okay, it turns out a bad crimp effects things differently depending on what pair is swapped(damn it) all working fine now....and what a robust system that it goes into protect mode vs let the smoke out

[@TheKMZ1]

Awesome!!!

[@aRndBelgianGuy]

What was your problem @1636patriot ?

[@kimhoward6124]

So, you would have that second hub completely inside the wall since the long yellow Ethernet cable you have is connected to the backside of hub 1 and the other end of it connected to the front of hub 2? I have a scenario that would work perfect for this but somehow I think that second hub will need to fit entirely inside wall to look nice I guess.

[@TheKMZ1]

In my case i'm not putting the hubs inside the wall, I put my keypad hubs in on-wall extra deep boxes. The cable will come out of the back of that expansion port, go inside the wall into my attic, then down my garage into the basement and then into the front of the next keypad hub, which will be mounted on another extra deep on-wall box!

[@S30Build]

have you tried cascading the keypads and setting one pad on each switch to the same zone?

[@TheKMZ1]

Yeah, i tried every possible combo and couldn't get a second keypad to work unfortunately!

[@stevenichols4060]

My monoprice stuff is at a different location so i cant check if keypad hub has 7 like your soundavo hubs. If it does can i just buy a separate soundavo hub and use just like you have and everything be compatible with monoprice components or will the soundavo hub have some incompatibility issue with mono?

[@joe-rao]

Great, video. I had no idea who you could that with an extra keypad hub. Do you have any idea what method of communication those keypads are using as those hubs don't have an IC's. Is it just a serial connection w/ power? Asking as I forgot to run a cable and now need to share my keypad over another ethernet cable using 10/100 ethernet (uses only 4 wires of Cat6). Can I use the 4 remaining wires for one of these keypads and get away with it?

[@1636patriot]

Hey great job...so I just fired up my system and have 4 keypads in different rooms....only the power light is on...have you run into this? I did have a bad crimp on one keypad(fixed that)...Any info will be awesome

[@TheKMZ1]

Can you send me pics of your setup? [e-mail]

[@stevenfrazier7959]

Your videos are great.

[@sagetx]

I missed this video. GOOD CONTENT! Ok I've got to pick your brain one more time. So to hook up 12 zones, 1-6 go to the hub then out to the Master amp - each dip switched discreetly to 1-6, Then 7-12 go to the next hub. NOW do those go to that cascading port into the first hub, or directly the first slave amp? Is there a new dip switch scheme for 7-12? I think this may solve my problem. That first test you did looks like what is happening to my keypads. Sorry I can't test - I'm not home very often.

[@TheKMZ1]

So you don't have to cascade the keypad hubs, if that is not needed for your install. I would say most people probably do not or have never done this. Keypads 7-12 must be plugged into their amp, and keypads 13-18 into their respective amp etc. How i've always done the multiple amp installs, is that keypads 7-12 go into their hub, which is then plugged into the slave amp, and i've never used any hub cascading until now. But yes to answer your question, keypads 1-6 use those dip switches to address each of them as 1 through 6. Then keypads 7 - 12 you address them as 1 through 6 again (1 means zone 7, 2 means zone 8 etc), and the slave amp that they are plugged into knows what it is supposed to control. So yes make sure your zones 7-12 are plugged into your slave amp, and that they are going into your slave! Thanks for watching

[@michaelhinchey]

How do you hook up say a tv that is zone 1 to this amp? Over cat 5e or ? Also if I have a 5.1 speaker system how do I connect this system to an amp to utilize the speakers I'm using for whole house ?

[@TheKMZ1]

This video discusses how you'd use the pre-amp outputs to hook up a 5.1 system kzbin.info/www/bejne/mofNmo2beKihp6M

[@gregruth7962]

How can I listen to different music in different zones at the same time. I have 2 dax66 and a Denon s750h

[@TheKMZ1]

On my channel look at the video titled something like 3 or 4 or more zones

[@swiftcreek2008]

I love this walk through! I cant wait to start this project on my house!! Is it possible to include 7.1 surround sound into this system? I would like to do a 7.1 in wall surround sound system into the living room.

[@TheKMZ1]

Yes, it is possible. I actually have already recorded a video that will discuss this topic. It is possible through those pre-amp outputs which are on the back for each zone. The video that i will be uploading soon, it will be titled something like "How to get 3, 4 speakers & more in 1 zone". Something like that, so stay tuned, it will be up probably this week. In a nutshell though, the way it works is that when using the pre-amp outputs, that gets hooked into the source input of another amp, or in your case your home theater amp. When using pre-amp outputs, you do not hook speakers into the back of the soundavo ws66i / monoprice / dax66 amp. Because the pre-amp output is saying you are using a separate amp, to power that partiuclar zone. the pre-amp output will pass all the source data, volume EQ etc into the external amp, and then that external amp is what is powering the speakers (you surround sound in this example). So your keypad for that zone will still work, and the volume, source selection, EQ etc will all still work.

[@swiftcreek2008]

@@TheKMZ1 can't wait for this video. I'm excited to install the 7.1 system as well as whole home audio. Would it be possible to also play the surround sound audio on other zones in the system? Such as the kitchen or dining room in addition to the surround sound playing in the living room? Does that make it apart of the surround sound (9.1 etc)

[@TheKMZ1]

@@swiftcreek2008 It's probably possible to play the audio coming out of the surround sound as a source into the WS66i yes. But no, that does not make it part of your surround sound. Any source coming into the WS66i can only be output as Left and Right stereo, and that's it. I would suggest that you don't try to use the WS66i as a surround sound, as that's not what this amp is designed for. For example, if I have a TV as a source in the WS66i, and I am able to play the TV audio in my outside speakers, that doesn't make it surround sound, because this amp does not, and cannot differentiate between what surround sound really is, which is front left, front right, center, back left, back right, etc etc. This amp has stereo Left and Right and that's it. So while you can achieve being able to have TV or movie audio come in as a WS66i source, it's not a part of any surround sound, it's just another audio source that can be tuned into and listened to. When using the pre-amp outs, if you want your surround sound speakers to be a zone, that really means you are wanting to also use your surround sound speakers to listen to music out of...BUT when it comes time to play a movie or TV, you would be switching your surround sound source OFF of the input where those pre-amp RCA cables are plugging into. Example, your pre-amp out from WS66i goes into your surround sound amp's SA/CD RCA Input. When you want to have that be as part of your whole home audio for listening to music, your surround amp will be to be on that source. BUT when it comes time for a movie, you will want to change the surround sound source, to your TV / HDMI / whatever other source that movie audio is coming from. It would no longer be tuned into SA/CD input. So there will be some source switching on your surround sound depending on when it's time for it to be part of the whole home audio, and when it is time for it to be an actual surround sound. Hopefully this makes sense

[@swiftcreek2008]

@@TheKMZ1 i think i get it. The surround sound aspect would be separate from the whole home audio. I understand the stereo audio. Where would my surround sound system receiver be part of the system for when its not movie time?

[@TheKMZ1]

@@swiftcreek2008 when it's not movie time, the surround sound amp still powers the speakers. When you use those pre amp outputs of the soundavo, you are basically passing along everything to that other external amp... the music source, volume, EQ, all goes into that input of your surround amp via the RCA cables (red and white) that connect the soundavo to the surround amp. So the soundavo for that particular zone will not have speakers hooked up to it, the surround sound amp gets the data via the RCA cables and the surround sound amp will power the speakers. So if that surround amp is not on, or if it's on, but not tuned to the right Source input, then you won't get sound. Many high end amps have a HT bypass (home theater bypass) or "direct in", or direct line in, all these names are the same, what it does is anything coming into that input will bypass the signal processing of the surround sound amp, and will play at 100% volume. That's because these inputs are for this exact reason, it means the signal incoming will provide the EQ, volume adjustments etc. So it simply bypasses the signal through the amp unaltered. But, most consumer home theater amps don't have the HT bypass. So therefore, you would just use an input such as satelite or CD input. Yes, these input types still go through signal processing of the home theater amp, so you'll have to adjust some settings/EQ probably, and volume to find the right balance.

[@QuikTechSolutions]

Hey thanks for the great content. However, even with the discount, these units are still almost twice the cost of the Monoprice version. How is the cost difference justified?

[@TheKMZ1]

I have a comparison video on my channel, but when you add in monoprices tax and shipping which is expensive, plus you get the 2 wireless streamers, the app control module built in, the cost difference really comes down to a few hundred dollars. For me and many, a few hundred dollars is easy to justify when you get less cables (cleaner looking install), and a company that's actually investing into these products instead of a reseller (monoprice) my 2 cents tho!! Thanks for watching I appreciate it!

[@MarcosRoberto-xb3ii]

Hi there, do we still have any discount like i did before? If yes, could mention how shoud i proceed?

[@TheKMZ1]

Check the video description yes. TKMZ will be the code for money off of the WS66i amp and the WS66i amp KIT. TKMZ15 will get 15% off their speakers

[@justinaymond9110]

I bought the wifi for it but it doesn't wanna work. Says it doesn't have internet. Any information would be great

[@TheKMZ1]

Bought the wifi for what?

[@justinaymond9110]

@@TheKMZ1 Monoprice Multizone Source Keypad with Wi-Fi Receiver and Line In.

[@katrinabarrameda857]

HI! Can you explain further if why does it have 7 ports on it? and may I also ask, if one keypad is not working is there any troubleshooting/fix that can be done? Hoping for your kind response. Thank you!

[@TheKMZ1]

It has 7 because the 7th port is a "cascading" port meaning you could buy another keypad hub, and you could run an ethernet cable between the 2 keypads connecting the keypads together. Doing it like this allows the keypads to be in different parts of the house, so it could help you run shorter cable runs from your keypad back to a hub.

[@katrinabarrameda857]

@@TheKMZ1 Thank you so much! Please make more videos about Monoprice's products love your videos! God Bless!

[@DaddyGoFast]

Hi good video. One thing tho, you didn't actually explain how to get two keypads on one zone. I have an install that will have a keypad and a Bluetooth, would like to know how to do that. How can you do that?

[@TheKMZ1]

You can't do it, that's the unfortunate answer. I was answering the question in the video "can you have more than 1" and right now unfortunately it's no

[@DaddyGoFast]

@@TheKMZ1 ah.... gotcha. Thanks for the fast reply.

[@TheKMZ1]

@@DaddyGoFast no problem! Thanks for watching

[@gregruth7962]

Can you suggest a streaming device with dax 66

[@aRndBelgianGuy]

WiiM Pro ;)

[@TEKENGLOBAL]

This video mirrors what I observed too. 🤢 So, it begs to ask the question how does one select the same or different source like the others say from zone 1? 🤔 Put another way if zone 1 is listening to source 1. How can zone 2 listen to the same source 1? Can that be done along with listen to alternate source? I’m just getting my system set up and might have missed the obvious setting to do that. Any advice to do it is appreciated! 👍🍺

[@TheKMZ1]

Maybe you are misunderstanding what I'm saying, so any zone, can select any source, that is not a problem. But you can't control 1 zone from 2 keypads, it just doesn't work. So think of a 3 way switch in a house that is at the top of the stairs and the bottom of the stairs, they control the same light. That's what I'm saying in this video, you can't have 2 keypads for zone 1. The mobile app would be the best bet to control it I suppose from 2 locations. But if you have 1 keypad, changing the source to any of the 6 sources is not a problem at all, that's how it's designed!! Thanks for watching

[@michaelianazzi7270]

Will those key pads work with monoprice. Because you can't get parts for monoprice amps

[@TheKMZ1]

Yes

[@adewaleoladoye8191]

How do I address the keypads to each zone? As in, how do i know if the keypad installed in the living room will control the zone?

[@TheKMZ1]

On the back of the keypad there are dip switches, and on the back of the keypad there is a guide that says how to address them. So line up down up on the switches means a particular zone. Does that help? Thanks!

[@timp.2693]

@@TheKMZ1 is up on or off on the dipswitch

[@TheKMZ1]

@@timp.2693 up is on

[@facecapsule7597]

Hi, thanks for the informative video. I have one of these Monoprice units and I've been slowly installing different zones. I am having an issue where my keypads will have power, but they don't turn on and cannot control the amplifier. I've checked and double checked all the ethernet cables. I'm running cat6 and they are all tested. The dip switches are set to the proper zones. I simply cannot get some of them to turn on. The only difference between what is in the manual and my installation is that the cables are wired with 568b ethernet vs what it specifies, 568a. Do you think this is making a difference? Any help is much appreciated.

[@TheKMZ1]

As long as the ethernet cables are the same on both ends it shouldn't matter how you wired it. Did you find a resolution? Do you have any high power (220v) etc power runs that are running near the ethernet cable?

[@aRndBelgianGuy]

Hi, did you find a solution ? I do have the same problem on two of my keypads (but not all the time) : the LED is ON but they won't respond. I have a DAX66 so it's phoenix connectors in my case. Thanks for any info ;-)

[@stevenfrazier7959]

I am a little confused on this one however. So can you add two keypads to control one zone by adding another H-1 Keypad Hub Wallport and making sure you don't address both controllers with the same code or flat out you can NOT control one zone with one or more keypads, I am confused. It sounds like you can if you all an additional hub? Please explain. Thanks. BTW I am using your affiliate link to buy my stuff.

[@TheKMZ1]

Hey Steven, unfortunately no you can't have any combination of 2 keypads operating 1 zone. Not even with another keypad hub. Thanks for watching!

[@stevenfrazier7959]

@@TheKMZ1 Thanks. I am no longer confused. Thanks again for all the great videos.

[@imlon2]

Well that's good to know about the wall controllers not coming on if they are set to the same zone. I have a couple that didn't work and I didn't know why They light up, but will not come one, maybe it's an easy fix like this. I've got the old setup and plan on buying your app and the items needed to control it over my phone. Will this allow me to be able to control it via a Google home as well? One last question you might know because it's a little more advanced. In all my bedroom I put a A/B in wall speaker selector button. I did this so I could either hit this button and my speakers in each bedroom could be connected to the whole home audio, or they could be controlled by a device like a surround sound so you can play the Audio from the TV without using all the "Sources" on the whole home audio unit. This works great but I'm looking for a button of some type I can control from my phone.. So many times we get in bed and forget to hit the button so we can hear our TV in the speakers above our bed. It would be nice to be able to control that via a smart device, without getting out of bed. lol talk about lazy.. here is the push button I have. encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcTHl79Eyl9SuDZTewutLGAr9Dc3wdhz6vfnaRoidUZvdh00qxGvBNRftWviXx7aDLriGNL5JoMkleKX8DK1-MSZIOGX9-kG-PMGFxxQjSlLoz-U51fEcZrGO7AYNBc&usqp=CAE

[@aRndBelgianGuy]

Was it your problem ?

[@imlon2]

@@aRndBelgianGuy on the switch not working?

[@aRndBelgianGuy]

@@imlon2 Yes, having the main LED blue but doing nothing. Thanks.

[@imlon2]

@@aRndBelgianGuy not sure I have 2 that no matter what channel I put them on will only light up but will not turn on.

[@aRndBelgianGuy]

@@imlon2 :/ me too, but if I reboot the amp, it will work, then fail again later.

[@LS-rl5gp]

Good video. I am new to home audio, but have played with tons of home automation and video security systems. I bought one of the Monoprice systems to try it out and planned to expand to 3 units for 18 zones. My question is will it support inputs to each of the units? One unit has 6 inputs i believe, but could I also connect up devices to each of the inputs on all of the 3 units giving me 18 inputs?

[@TheKMZ1]

No, if you expand to 18 zones you will still only get to share the 6 sources which are connected to the master amp

[@Kenstanly1]

@@TheKMZ1 What would be the zone addresses for the added keypads? Zones 7-18? The manual ONLY shows Dip switch settings for Zones 1-6

[@TheKMZ1]

@@Kenstanly1 they start back over and you address them 1-6 again for the second amp and if you have the 3rd amp hooked up, again you start over at 1-6 to address them. The amp has a switch in the back for master, slave 1 and slave 2 amps. So that is how it knows which amp the keypad is controlling

[@Kenstanly1]

@@TheKMZ1 So do you select zone 7, 8, 9, or 10 for example on the keypad?

[@TheKMZ1]

@@Kenstanly1 no, zone 7 is addressed as zone 1, zone 8 is addressed on the back as zone 2 and so on

[@harryhome86]

Does the keypads support Wireless or BT for app?

[@TheKMZ1]

The keypads have an IR receiver on it and you can point the remote at it to control it, but they don't have wireless or BT. But the ws66i amplifier has wireless streamers and the control module built in so the app can control it

[@protectork9831]

Can one key pad control multiple zones

[@TheKMZ1]

No

[@protectork9831]

@@TheKMZ1 do I have option to control multiple zones without these key pads

[@TheKMZ1]

@@protectork9831 yeah you can use the smart phone app

[@mynormunoz9880]

Can the amplifier be used without the keypads? I have the older model

[@TheKMZ1]

Yes they can be used without them

[@mynormunoz9880]

Guess mine may be broken any tips on how to cycle through the zones. Im using rca to headphone jack to my cell phone

[@TheKMZ1]

@@mynormunoz9880 do you have the monoprice or soundavo

[@mynormunoz9880]

I believe its monoprice it has no Logo on it

[@TheKMZ1]

@@mynormunoz9880 are you setting your keypad addresses correctly? On the back, there is those 3 white switches. You plugged those into the keypad hub, and then 1 Ethernet from the hub to the back of the amp? The only other way to use it without the keypads is to buy the itach flex and flex link rs232 but this will cost you more money.