How DoorDash, Grubhub & Uber Are Robbing You

Uber Eats, Grubhub, and Seamless want you to blame higher prices on minimum wage laws. It’s a lie. You can read more of Cory Doctorow's work here: pluralistic.net/
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[@celieboo]

I refuse to use these services. I did it once when i was on call, and my sushi dinner cost me $63. More than half was on fees. I said "never again".

[@qcriverrat]

Basically my experience. Half the expense is fees, regardless of the order.

[@RevShifty]

I straight up refuse to use them. I can easily cook for my self or go out to eat. I can drive or walk somewhere I need to be. The illusion of convenience they provide isn't worth nearly what they're demanding and for the damage they cause, so I just refuse to use every single one of them.

[@erikschmidt476]

Yes, which is to be expected, you actually need to pay for a dude's income, overhead and taxes. Labor is just expensive. And then there is the profit.

[@_Meng_Lan]

​@@erikschmidt476 but he's barely getting any of it

[@erikschmidt476]

@@_Meng_Lan True, but my point is that hardly anybody is getting a lot out of it. There are videos of the restaurant owners getting screwed over. And Doordash has never made a net profit. In my opinion it is just not sustainable to have another human being consistantly deliver is just not possible for average people - unless you want to for it as a luxury or exploit employees Amazon-style.

[@LilySnow18]

Uber Eats also rips off customers by not providing refunds for missing items stating your account may not be 'eligible' for a refund for no reason. FUN!

[@LashknifeTalon]

I once had someone in my same apartment complex order something at the same time as me; we switched our orders and didn't realize until later. I never found the other person, but they ordered Pad Thai--something I am lethally allergic to and cannot eat. Uber Eats told me to contact the restaurant, as if the Thai restaurant was somehow responsible for the driver mixup.

[@middleagebrotips3454]

Because they can't send someone back to the restaurant for restaurants' mistakes without paying a (different) drivers again. In the old model I would beat up the driver I hired and tell him to go again. Often he's just my dish washer who drops the dishes to deliver during rush hour.

[@Jakey4000]

Too many people have abused the refund systems in the past when they were easier to use

[@junyaiwase]

Thankfully they usually give me a refund although I have to fight for it sometimes, and the chat app doesnt refresh so unless u send some text pretty frequently youll miss your support rep which is a huge maybe intentional flaw? The problem with UE is that if you consistently have bad issues with your couriers they might stop refunding you because you look “suspicious”

[@TrentAdam]

You mean they need to make it kind of difficult for people to just claim they deserve money? Who would have thought!!!!

[@dabluflcn]

I uninstalled DoorDash when I attempted to order $35.00 worth of sushi from a place a little over a mile away and the total bill was $75.00. I am not exaggerating and was totally floored. I’ve returned to driving and even biking myself.

[@sunny06515]

and driver probably get $7

[@DasBoot69er]

You’re a hero. Sarcasm intended.

[@TheChiefonator]

Healthier for you too.

[@brenandemossita1000]

But think about it is for convenience. Someone who picks up the food has to be paid and the company setting up the delivery has to get something. I understand it's model.

[@dabluflcn]

@ I also understand the model. Which is why I don’t participate anymore. The cost outweighs the benefit.

[@VladHoltsev-q8u]

I am DoorDash driver and I can tell they robbing me as well. Sometimes I get $3 for delivery, 5 with tips, and the hour rate is like $15 usually if I choose to be paid by hour. And yes, I spend $5 out of it on gas. Not the best job tbh

[@Matt-jc2ml]

Yeah I did it for a couple months and don't understand why anyone would do it. A lot of the time it paid under $10 and it runs your car down

[@coletroutman1060]

lol brother I couldn’t do it anymore. They really would keep hitting me with “drive 10 miles for $8”, like the offers would be so bad it would make me laugh. All my ratings are good, except my acceptance rate which is like 25%. But I drive an explorer so I’ll literally lose money with some of them. Am I supposed to do charity work, basically, just so I can maybe start getting decent offers again? When I add the wear and tare? It really is almost a scam imo…

[@VladHoltsev-q8u]

@@coletroutman1060 yeah, you need something with 50 mpg to do that job

[@Matt-jc2ml]

@@coletroutman1060 same, everyone should stop doing it. I don't know anywhere where it's worth $10 an hour plus fuel and wear and tear. Maybe Mexico or something lol but not the US

[@shadowsoulless6227]

Then get another job. I love how everyone is complaining about completely solvable problems.

[@tylerking4576]

This is why Dominoes didn't need to raise prices, they kept their own delivery drivers as employees. Good decision Dominoes Pizza

[@MK_ULTRA420]

They've been shutting down locations recently...

[@sirdabsalot1yt83]

Idk about you, but in my area, Domino's delivery is more expensive and predatory than Doordash or Ubereats (also slower). Their delivery fee usually comes out to about $10 without tip. Including tip, that's $15-20 extra. This doesn't even account for their inflated, hyper-profitable prices ($16 for a large pizza??). Combine all this and you're paying around $50 just to feed 2-3 people. The ironic part? After checking out, they ask for a donation to their charity. Of course the execs will also be getting a nice cut of whatever money gets donated there too.

[@ActionJacksonForever]

Dominoes delivery is $6.99 here in NYC and then these idiots expect you to tip on top of that

[@pantherman8719]

​@@MK_ULTRA420their pizza is trash.

[@garyshan7239]

are you blind pizza costs is insane-and the crust sizes are smaller and Dominos asks for $5 for delivery and its shit pizza on top of that

[@madcatjo]

Techbros are just the new Rentseekers. My local pizzeria of 40+ years employs their own drivers, and I'm happy to support them.

[@spicywater123]

I would rather live in a world where tech-bros lose their businesses than the mom and pop business.

[@yamerojones]

@@spicywater123 I'd rather live in a world where you people realize you are just leftists who don't actually believe in your principles enough to pay the true costs of the services you feel entitled to. How much would I have to pay you to be a food gopher.

[@muhcharona]

@@spicywater123 This channel votes for outsourced labor, the useful tools of "tech bros".

[@spicywater123]

@@muhcharona Are you referring to the thousands of Indian guys in a closet that the tech-bros are calling "AI"

[@Tryp-j9d]

And ALL they DO …is take advantage of SUCKERS!!!

[@dinkypinky9343]

It seems like we are collectively getting more and more poor all around the world. What a scary prospective

[@hashbrown4781]

It too bad currency and current economic policy was made up by Grognak the Destroyer, otherwise we could change it!

[@Joe-Przybranowski]

A very few people are getting very very rich.

[@bropoke6799]

well living in the US is worse right now than it was during the great depression, every company is trying to squeeze everyone for all we're worth, houses are unaffordable unless you're filthy rich, our government does nothing but line their own pockets, and social issues are at an all time high. So ya, I'd say it's getting pretty bad

[@DaveE99]

The logic behind foreign policy is to boost up military presence to control and enable economic extraction while criminalizing disposable people domestically while financial networks receive money from drug trade weapons etc.

[@EinfachFredhaftGaming]

You could also just cook for yourself like people have done forever

[@godusoland9122]

And it be the low-wage workers that always get Uber eats. Spending like 10% of their paycheck on one meal, it's crazy.

[@fburnsDubstepEnderFox]

TBF... low wage jobs (especially in warehouses) require huge calories. A lot of workers are so tired after a shift, driving becomes dangerous... is it any wonder why they don't trust themselves to drive out for food? 😔

[@logans6676]

Rice/potatoes are dirt cheap and can provide a lot of calories. You only need to boil water for 20 minutes to cook them.

[@louc41]

It such a weird issue right? Because I think it is fair to say that a lot of people work too many hours to realistically have the time to cook for themselves and save money. But then if you consider the absurd amount of money many people spend on eating out, they could probably more than afford to cut back on some hours with the money they save from not eating out. I just honestly think this is not something many people in this unfortunate position consider. Combine that with how addictive some of the foods people order are and it makes sense that people easily find themselves falling into this (somewhat) self perpetuating cycle.

[@logans6676]

@@louc41It’s not a complicated issue… A box of macaroni and cheese is 58 cents at walmart. Want to be healthy? A salad kit is $2.48. The average person works around 45 hours, that’s not an absurd amount….

[@henriquenakamura5752]

Ordering food used to make sense. You paid a little extra for the convenience, and it was worth it. Nowadays is more like "are you willing to pay an extra $20-25 and wait an hour for cold food so you don't have to go to the place 10 min down the street ?" . I can't remember the last time I ordered delivery.

[@therealjaystone2344]

The phone call ordering to deliver the food to your home still exist btw

[@kojoefante]

That’s a damn lie

[@boichuded885]

seems to be the case in my area, they're even more inexpensive than online couriers cause it was preferred

[@krystiankowalski7335]

That’s if you use one of these catch-all services. Order from the restaurant and it’s still just as worth it as before.

[@MrVariant]

​@kojoefante yeah, it still makes sense to order, especially when local businesses go out of business (I no longer have a bakery near me for birthdays) or there are nice promos. Then of course weather and time of day (you really wanna go late at night?) when the place isn't a couple blocks away. Just gotta compare to what they have internally (which pizza chains are usually cheaper, though Uber eats delivery for non chains doesn't charge those extra rates on top of the chain tax). Amazon prime has grubhub, so comparison is no longer the theft of joy 😂.

[@GrantMerle]

I work at a Pizza store, the prices are all higher on doordash and ubereats, the customer might get a waived delivery fee but they still ALWAYS end up paying more.

[@RKingis]

That's to cover the loss of labor costs from the order.

[@shanenice5380]

yep correct.i used to work in restaurant.

[@fubufb420]

Imagine if people stopped eating junk food .....😂😂 Imagine a world where people ate what was good for them. Imagine a world without cancer... Imagine a world without a need for a crazy outrageous health care system.... Imagine a world without narcissists profiting off of the weak minded idiots that can't control their own unnecessary desires... Imagine a world without a bunch of needy idiots... 😂😂😂 😢😢😢

[@LukaLegend77]

yea they say free delivery n then dont tip the driver awesome

[@LukaLegend77]

@@fubufb420 u can get healthy food delivered tho, you sound like youre missing a screw - coming from someone who eats healthy n never gets delivery

[@timetowakeup6302]

Poor people pay tax. Rich people pay accountants. Wealthy people pay politicians

[@mikemann1960]

Most understood, underrated comment EVER!

[@mikemann1960]

@timetowakeup302 I screenshot your response when inevitably KZbin will make your comment that is 💯 % accurate and mines disappear for no reason! Hinse it's time to build an entire site for the people that can't be bought out!

[@timetowakeup6302]

@@mikemann1960 KZbin removes or hides 90% of my comments because I speak the truth

[@Krill_all_health_insuranceCEOs]

I would change that last one to very rich, but yes. Those who run for office in this country, and probably most others, for the most part have always been for sale to the highest bidder. If you aren't the highest bidder, it's a pretty good chance your interests aren't represented at any level of government here. (As always minor exceptions, but overall.)

[@Krill_all_health_insuranceCEOs]

@john-paulhunt-r8d well I mean up until recently a lot of places supplied their own delivery; sometimes for an extra fee, sometimes without. The app delivery services are relatively new. Also are you sure you're pro-worker? Just kind of funny the way you refer to workers as if they were slaves needing to be kept in line but I'm probably reading too much into it.

[@jeffgutierrez8796]

A co-worker once asked "ordering food, you want in?" I responded with "no thanks, the wife is making ribs and I'd rather wait ". He asked "how do you afford ribs?" My answer was "I don't spend $65.00 on a delivered sandwich."

[@xarbinchaoticneutral1785]

And I bet everybody clapped too right? 🤨

[@iasyama1999]

what a savage wow 🥴

[@tt99999]

Did you even watch this video? The part that said don't allow the tech companies to convince us to turn on each other?

[@whatsnextnora]

I don’t get why yall are upset, it seems reasonable.😭

[@lukamagicc]

You both sound broke after that comment

[@Paulog2003]

Never using food delivery apps ever again. Obscene prices on top of already obscene fast food prices

[@Lcharlo-f8j]

Plus crappy food.

[@soulsurvivor1979]

I take the bus and a Lyft back home and it’s stilll be cheaper 😂😂

[@mvee05]

@@soulsurvivor1979yeah picked up so much better

[@TheAllMightyGodofCod]

Never used them. FFS, am I really that busy that I can't stop at a takeaway on my way from work? I am really that tired that I can't cook something fast? Are frozen ready meals so bad that I can't eat one in an emergency? Am I really that poor that I can't go and sit at a restaurant? No.

[@lordhoweproductions3733]

Food prices aren’t expensive if you go to mom and pops

[@anthonydelfino6171]

Wait. So a company established a monopoly and then raised prices? I’m shocked!

[@jbillion]

Its not really a monopoly though is it? Now that Uber has raised prices to actual market value there will be more competition. Uber has ate more than $100 BILLION in losses since its founding. Every single quarter since they launched their IPO has been negative several billion dollars until 3 quarters ago. This is not a sustainable business model, eventually Uber has to raise their prices and their strategy of strangling out the market fails. You will probably begin to see corps like Amazon experiment with food delivery, or even new start ups with better pricing. A monopoly can rarely occur in today's market because of the FTC and antitrust laws. A "real" monopoly occurs when a business acquires control over all aspects of a market. The best example is Standard oil purchasing an absurd amount of market share in every aspect of oil production. You truly could not compete when Standard oil owned all the oil fields, refineries, transportation, etc. and would not give you an opportunity to get into the market. On the other hand with food delivery there is no tangible way to form a monopoly. The inputs for a food delivery app are basically just software devs and delivery drivers. Both of which are plentiful and cannot be bought as property.

[@EnterJustice]

SHOCKED I tell you!

[@Ysmir_The_Ancient]

Well, not that shocked

[@Kai...999]

Well it's not a monopoly. By definition it simply isn't, there's a ton of delivery apps.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

@@Kai...999 you're conflating quantity with market share. Door Dash, Uber Eats, and Grubhub account for 85% (and it's 93% of the market when you add in Postmates) of the market share, and Door Dash alone is almost half the market. You don't really have to compete when you have that hard a grip on the market, and collusion between two or three people at the top of companies to jack up prices is easier than when it's divided up between far more competitors If there are indeed "tons" of apps, that means all those other myriad apps are making up only that last 7% of the market base.

[@beaniemac]

I have a car and bicycle. I Refuse to use these apps. They r a total ripoff.

[@ItIsJustKetchup]

Yeah I never use these apps.

[@homelessmillionaire1]

@@beaniemac the same folks that use these apps every day whine all over social media about the rising cost of everything.

[@2ar2betrY]

I used the apps before. But I made the calculation of continuing to use them vs buying a cheap bike and paying that off in 12 months. For obvious regions, the bike won. I haven't looked back ever since. it's cheaper and faster. I live in a large city.

[@przytulanka1979]

I have legs and pair of shoes. Enough to go to supermarket and buy food.

[@olencone4005]

I started using them during the pandemic, but once things started going back to normal they started adding fees and jacking their prices up -- so I just stopped using them.

[@ghos7bear]

They don't just want to make money. They want ALL the money!

[@buddylee5712]

As a food delivery driver for the apps, I can tell you a HUGE portion of the delivery fees paid by customers are NOT going to us couriers. It's NOT profitable for us to deliver an order without reasonable tips & good pay-to-mileage ratio.

[@Dumbledore6969x]

This is further complicated by the fact that people shouldn’t be tipping others to simply do their job. You drive product from one location to another, why are we tipping people for that? It’s insane. And there’s an entire culture built around getting mad at and criticizing those who don’t tip, which ultimately helps the venture capitalist and turns the working class on each other. I fully expect to receive hate for even pointing this out, and the people doing so won’t realize they are part of the problem.

[@timetowakeup6302]

@@Dumbledore6969x “You drive a product from one location to another. Why are we tipping for that”? Because the greedy corporations are paying the drivers peanuts (usually $2) to take you your food. If the drivers don’t get tipped, they can’t afford to stay on the road. These despicable, greedy corporations want the customers to pay the drivers wages (via tips) on top of all the other exorbitant fees. If a driver doesn’t see a tip on the order, chances are he’s not taking it because if he does he’s losing money and working for nothing. No one works for free. Free market capitalism at its finest, hey? I used to deliver for these apps. Word of advice, if you don’t tip your driver, then you should expect your food to arrive cold or not at all. And don’t blame the driver, blame the greedy Ubers and Door Dash’s of the world for not paying them 💩

[@Chloe-dv9ns]

@@Dumbledore6969x agree. drivers should get 100% of their livable wage from the app company.. i.e. their employer. unfortunately it's not like that right now, and as a result drivers barely get what they need to stay afloat, and customers turn on each other and drivers on the topic of tipping.. i hate it

[@calvinreynolds8151]

​@Dumbledore6969x Exactly, I'm a door dash driver and a few years ago they used to pay us 3 dollars flat per order and then they lowered it to 2.50 and a couple months ago they lowered it to 2 dollars flat. At the same time they are increasing delivery fees for consumers and telling you it goes to us. They are putting the onus on you to pay us a livable wage and pitting us against each other while profiting from it and staying out of the limelight.

[@cloudynguyen6527]

@@Dumbledore6969x You might get hate from your fellow countryman. But for us non-US people, we applaud you for realizing how hostile the tipping culture is.

[@CatyBee]

The thing that is really hidden aren't the fees. It's that the price of the items are higher in the app than they are at the store. Anywhere from 1 to $5 more on just general house items and take out food.

[@CatyBee]

And they don't pass on that amount to the restaurant. So they are charging you more than the restaurant and then taking more from the restaurant so the only person who's winning in this equation is Uber.

[@martina5296]

@@CatyBee Sounds scammy. The workers always suffer and are exploited because they need the money. Without the drivers/shoppers those businesses would collapse. I don't think employees think about that or would be strong and unite with others.

[@qcriverrat]

Yep. You can see this on Ubereats just by toggling between "pick up in store" versus "delivery" on the billing page. The items are usually a quarter to a third more if you select delivery.

[@stephenmisener1659]

Its not hidden. Its up to the buyer to research the price of something and see if they can get it cheaper elsewhere. If you buy delivery and have not noticed that its more expensive, or hell just used common sense to assume itll cost more than you are beyond saving.

[@logangodofcandy]

If you have to research it, it's hidden.

[@bahamutbbob]

The day I quit Doordash, I made $10 in 2 hours doing 2 deliveries, and both customers were unhappy.

[@maescreativespace444]

Same. I just quit. I’m think this should be a class action law suit

[@B_Bodziak]

​@@maescreativespace444 Doordash settled a class action suit because they were caught using part of higher tipping customer tips as base pay. If a customer left $15.00, DD would tell the Dasher that the base pay was 4.50 and the tip was 10.50.

[@Abraham-xi9ep]

I would wait hours before being offered a ten mile trip for 4 bucks. And this was when I was a top dasher. And then the Walmart orders wouldn’t stop coming in. I hated those because most of the time I would carry ten bags of groceries up to the top or second to top floor of an apartment building. I quit doing deliveries for DoorDash after I got into a car accident.

[@ryanbrown5552]

On uber eats I have been online 26 hours this week. So far I have made $25. Less than $1 per hour.

[@DaveDepilot-KFRG]

depends on the market, some are bad but some aaare good. On Sunday, in 5.5 hours, I made $146.

[@keithg460]

I drove DoorDash in Houston for almost 3 years. They started off paying us $5 per order minimum (this was 2020). Then it went down to $3. Then it went down to $2.25. You could get $3 for an order, but you would have to do a 8 mile delivery. They charge $10 for delivery but make the customers think the driver gets it all. A simple statement like "Much of the delivery fee goes toward the thousands of support staff we have to assist you at a moment's notice to cater to any need you have, therefore, not all of the delivery goes to the driver. Please consider giving them a tip." Something like that would really help, but they would never do that. And the majority of people never tip. In fact, they look for any excuse not to. You knocked too loud. You were too late. You were too early. I don't like the facial expression you have. You didn't ask for extra sauce. You didn't open the food to count the chicken strips. You opened the food and breathed on it. You probably stole some fries. They don't say it, but these are small thoughts that people have that they allow to justify their bad or nonexistent tipping. DoorDash did not pay us for gas. And they used a system that basically forces you to accept almost every delivery for a month just so you can do deliveries at any time other than dinner or lunch rush. DoorDash goes through drivers, and they take advantage of undocumented people who can't easily get another job. DoorDash should burn. They should go out of business. (And so should Thumbtack, but that's another story)

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

Totally agree UE and DD suck, I assume GH does too Maybe InstaCart or WM delivery is better IDK

[@Dragurdean]

People probably don't tip mainly because the price is doubled in delivery services. They simply don't want to spend even more

[@StuTheDon17]

People don't tip because they've already been ripped off for the food and delivery.

[@debbyolivier5122]

work for ubereat is what i hear! XD

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

@@debbyolivier5122 UE pays just as little

[@aprildawnsunshine4326]

You forgot what it did to grocery delivery. It used to be the stores offered it for free to customers with disabilities that made it hard or impossible to shop in person. Now we're paying all these fees and mark-ups just for being disabled. I've had to stop buying from the grocery store at all and now shop at Walmart simply because it's all I can afford and it's the definitely the added costs of going through the app that makes the difference.

[@Mar-wg7io]

You are so right. They used to offer free delivery even if you came in and shopped as long it was over a certain amount like $100.

[@T.R.75]

ugh thats terrible. dont know how to fix this problem, but wishing you good vibes. hope theres some help on the way. seems like everything is going to sh-t :(

[@aprildawnsunshine4326]

@@T.R.75 we need to get back to being communities and not isolated consumers and producers. Our current society sees people like me as dead weight simply because we can't contribute to the system in the way it wants. I've been thinking about trying to setup an irl meetup for my local "buy nothing"/"swip swap" groups. Figure they're going to be the best group to start with but in the end we all need to stop interacting with the world through screens etc and start making that tiny extra effort to make IRL friends. And there's something you can do to help people like me: offer to do our grocery shopping for us. I garuntee there's someone in your community that could use the help, so go find them and give it. All it takes is adding their list to yours when you go to the store 🥰

[@Sunshineattacks3]

I honestly never thought about that. I’m so sorry that sounds terrible.

[@aprildawnsunshine4326]

@@Sunshineattacks3 appreciate the sympathy, please let it move you to find a way to support a disabled person in your community. You have no idea how much just a short visit can mean to someone who only leaves home to see a doctor. Also, love the name 🌄💕

[@myNamezMe]

Such companies should never have existed in the first place. If they can't survive by paying fair wages from the start, it's a sign that their business model is fundamentally flawed.

[@darinsingleton3553]

"No Business Which Depends for Existence on Paying Less Than Living Wages to Its Workers Has Any Right to Continue in This Country." - FDR. We used to know these things.

[@ohiasdxfcghbljokasdjhnfvaw4ehr]

this is capitalism. it allows business to be created and survive on just capital, when they are not actually a profitable business. they are then able to grow faster than a real company would, which means their value goes up, which is how the investors make money. this continues until they run all the real businesses that cant compete and capture the market. then they cash in and enshittify. capitilism is not a fair system that rewards good business, it's just a tool for wealthy people to abuse our economy and extract money from the poor and extinguish small business, without having to have good useful products that can actually compete.

[@vmoses1979]

​@@ohiasdxfcghbljokasdjhnfvaw4ehrActually the problem is regulators allowing Uber to underprice taxis and then when they squeezed them out of the market - jacking up rates. At the first sign of Uber underpricing - regulators should have told them they have little room to later jack up rates since after driving out the competition they will then act like a monopoly . This is simply predatory business behavior.

[@thomas45081]

Absolutely ... common sense well said! 💯🟪

[@myNamezMe]

@@JuicerNation Once in place, unfortunately, not everyone has the luxury to say no.

[@YOGIROBBIE]

I deleted DoorDash 4 months ago and now I’m bombarded with, “60% off your next order” emails. Terrible! This channel has brought to light many of my sentiments about workers rights.

[@OgdenM]

Unsubscribe. 99‰ of companies that do email marketing have a link at the bottom. Most of them are one click... The most I run into is 3. Some will make you sign in and I typically just block them instead. You can just do a search in your email for "Unsubscribe" and it will bring up all of the emails with the link. I even saw briefly that Gmail had an option to Unsubscribe from ALL marketing emails. But I have no idea how I got that option or how to get it again. I wouldn't be surprised if it's gone now anyway....

[@GumbleSmithers-nd6vg]

Can you block them or do thet use different email accounts?

[@YOGIROBBIE]

@@GumbleSmithers-nd6vg Yep, blocking them was the only option.

[@deadzio]

​@@YOGIROBBIEthere is option unsubscribe in every email 👌

[@ArtieMcDonald]

Workers have rights. They have the right to leave a job they feel isn't paying them enough and secure a better job. No one is forced to click "accept fare" in a delivery app (at least in the free countries)

[@kaiotikworld8945]

Me as a driver I don’t see any of those extra fees we still make less than a living wage and less than minimum wage. And because you customers are paying more to DoorDash the company, people don’t even tip so I make even LESS than before

[@MikJames-d1g]

@@kaiotikworld8945 Time to get a real jerb?

[@fgoindarkg]

Door dash driver here. The jacked up prices and lower pay is cutting my pay in half

[@TheHalfBlackReaper]

100% I used to do Grub hub from 2017-2020 and made way more than I have the last few months driving for Doordash. Way lower pay per delivery (a bunch of $2-$3 orders) and way more miles per delivery. Things like a 30- 40mi round trip to a town not even in the delivery area I dash in for $9 in compensation

[@patriciacorrea8871]

I believe it. So unfortunate

[@turtleanton6539]

My god

[@vectoralphaSec]

Lol i would quit. That is a waste of time and money. ​@TheHalfBlackReaper

[@redtiger7268]

It is all in how the companies shift blame to you and other workers. I was working in a restaurant when a min wage increase went through. On the checks the company stated putting "service fee" at the bottom. This was the offset the $1.25 min wage went up. What happened was people say the fee and started tipping less. That place went from a place you would get great service to one where they can't even keep servers for more than 6 months. (Before they did that most the servers were there going on 5+ years.)

[@middleagebrotips3454]

Former restaurant owner here and i can tell the economics never worked in the first place

[@jamalgibson8139]

Yeah, it was heavily subsidized by venture capital and the chickens have come to roost now.

[@turtleanton6539]

Indeed.😊

[@lain2k3]

The economics work in areas with enormous density like China, India, and other parts of Asia. One courier can grab orders from 6 restaurants that are all within 200 meters of each other, and then deliver them to different floors of the same apartment building. Any city that is built for cars instead of people - yes the economics fall apart immediately.

[@jamalgibson8139]

@@lain2k3 this is a good point. Wear and tear on vehicles isn't factored into the delivery cost, and drives often underestimate how their driving impacts the car itself. Wear and tear on a bike or your feet is obviously way less, so it makes a better return. And, as you say, even if you're driving, delivering 6 orders in your car is much better than delivering 1-2, both for the customers and the drivers.

[@cloudcyclone]

an an owner, why would you not just begin to roll out delivery, maybe just on certain days or times at first, see how it goes and grow it out if its good? Like, its not like anyone is stopping an establishment from doing this on their own. Can you tell me why not just do your own delivery if it could boost sales by like 40%, then is it not economical with no middle man?

[@TheDatadrew]

Dude who works for me uses uber eats constantly... gets mcdonalds and starbucks. They are both within walking distance of the office. I just shake my head. Such a waste of money.

[@Jsharvey900]

These days I only order if there’s a good promo/deal which is pretty rare nowadays tbh. Used to use 3rd party delivery services back when it was actually cheap pre 2020 but rn it’s just not worth it anymore

[@aggiemullins]

Whatever his job is for you, just make sure he’s never in charge of money.

[@Urbanforager]

I can’t trust someone who does this. What else to they mismanage ?

[@nephicus339]

Should tell him to give you the money, and you'll go get it for him. Then you can at least recirculate that into your business/his paychecks later. xD

[@tw8464]

And you're paying for his obesity. Because the billionaires aren't paying it but profiting from their "business model" of these dip shytes

[@08daviep]

So what if the companies do this? People have a choice to NOT use these platforms. I've never ordered anything thru Ubereats and their other competitors. You don't NEED to use their platforms 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@moneymanjoe9639]

I'm fed up that even when you use the restaurant app, they still sub it out to door dash or uber eats.

[@kevintyson1947]

yup even if I just want to place a pickup order Im still forced to use doordash which the restaurant has a big upcharge on

[@joshuaevans3499]

That's because the majority of these restaurants don't have their own delivery drivers. As a full time delivery driver my income depends on customers ordering delivery however if you don't like it than the answer is simple go get your own food. Believe me I'll be ok because I deliver to plenty of customers who understands these restaurants don't pay for their own drivers because it's cheaper just to use 3rd party. Drivers like myself has been saying that for years.

[@Trucking4Jesus]

@@joshuaevans3499 ty for your service

[@georgemartinez932]

​@@kevintyson1947just call the restaurant. Most non-chain restaurants don't have their own way of letting customers order online, but they will accept a phone order.

[@cloudcyclone]

@@joshuaevans3499 You truly think its better to let DD and Ubereats etc rip of the place you work for than to see the owner invest in workers doing delivery where everyone benefits more than any possible outcomes from these apps? Do you think DD and these other apps are actually better than an owner deciding to have a few drivers??? Im genuinely asking as i cannot wrap my head around it. A website for food orders is trivial, you can roll out delivery slowly, you can have employees doing more than only delivery so you can adjust to demand, etc. Like, how is it not better to do your own delivery?

[@LizNeptune]

The other day my cousin tried to order some creamy chicken pasta with a slice of chocolate cake and it came to $63!!! She closed the app and went to the supermarket and bought all the ingredients separately instead 😂😂 cost half as much!

[@DaveE99]

Half as much with more supply for less

[@jasondads9509]

Wow if it’s only cost double to go and buy the thing and make it yourself, that’s worth getting delivery for. Or supermarkets are too expensive

[@SharienGaming]

@@jasondads9509 gotta remember - when you are baking a chocolate cake, you likely dont make a single slice... and when making pasta you likely dont make a single plate so its paying half for 2-4 times as much food

[@DaveE99]

The real game changer is actually group meal prepping

[@EinfachFredhaftGaming]

​@@jasondads9509keeping yourself miserable

[@andrewdunbar828]

The "Donation to Billionaires" fee should be listed.

[@Liusila]

I mean “service fee” is it. I also call it the “fee fee” or the “might as well fee”.

[@patriciacorrea8871]

Thank you

[@Legomanfred]

Dont forget "Ghost kitchens". Restaurants that dont actually exist.

[@youtubetroll6620]

I've DELETED ALL GIG APPS....... BIG SAVINGS!!!!

[@novalinnhe]

Nice one!!

[@jer1776]

Good for you, many of them are just spyware on your phone anyways.

[@churchofmarcus]

I WORK ON THE GIG APPS....... MEDIUM-SIZED EARNINGS!!!!

[@ZanathKariashi]

yeah, i considered it till I checked what the price estimate was and realized i could drive out, get it myself, get a full tank of gas, and still have money left over.

[@JrueThrondsen]

​@@jer1776 Google already spread that information out. 😂

[@beng4647]

I only used Uber eats twice. When it was a free 35 dollars order....and when it was half off.

[@kni9ght]

I only used it when I was sick

[@spejic1]

I'm on the other side (flowers, not food) and when we first got on Doordash most of the orders were heavily discounted by Doordash. After the discounts stopped, orders dropped off a cliff. So you are not alone.

[@austinhernandez2716]

For non delivery drivers: The drivers are NOT legally protected employees. Every delivery gig accepted is not a regular job, it is an individual gig. The drivers don't get wages, or salaries, or regular benefits or insurance. They have to keep track of their pay and take out taxes on their own. They don't have guaranteed hours of anything. The base pay without tips is extremely low. It's $2-$3 for a couple of miles. And if you're already on a delivery, it might ask you to add another for $1, I kid you not. We're reliant on tips like a waiter/waitress is. This is bad for bother the driver and the customer. If the custoner doesn't tip, it's like all drivers will reject the delivery offer, and Uber will slowly offer more pay until a driver takes it. But by then the food will be cold. If they would offer a good pay, like at least $5/delivery and $1 extra/mile, maybe it would work out then and we wouldn't be so reliant on tips. On top of that though, the food in the app is usually much more expensive than in the restaurant. So the custoner is paying an up charge, a delivery fee, AND tips in the end. It's a bad experience for everyone. I tried relying on uber, doordash, instacart, spark, Roadie, etc. But it's not reliable at all. Instead, I got a traditional delivery driver job for a pizza/calzone restaurant. I make $11/hr, extra pay for each trip, plus tips.

[@GreenCobrasGaming]

It sad that Uber/DoorDash only pay $2 + tips in my market regardless the distance or time. Rideshare not much better. They pay more then $2 for a ride but hardly anyone tips on rideshare unlike the food deliveries. However, the pay could be $4 for 8 miles though. I saw one for $33 for 60+ miles one way before. 20+ min trips on Uber are often under $6 now days. And I actually can make more money with food delivery over rideshare because of tipping. And the apps are so much more over-saturated. That both Uber and Lyft flipped flop each other. Meaning I used to make a lot more on Uber then Lyft a few years ago. But now Uber is worse then Lyft. Lyft really never gotten better. Just that Uber gotten that bad. But any tips help. But if you tip me $1 on rideshare I change your rating to 1 star. Because it is not fair if someone pays $30 to transport you and the driver getting $11. And you decide to tip only $1 to make it $12. Not even half the money a rider pays goes to the driver. It has been as low as a 3rd of what the driver earns. And it has gotten lower with time. But still a lot better then almost any jobs in my state. The most I made from a delivery job was at my local Dominos. Make $8 an hour plus tips. But they treated us horribly. My 1st job at McDonalds treated us better. But like I said I made the most of a w2 job at Dominos. Other delivery shops like Pizza Hut or Marcos paid under $7.25 an hour because of tips. And now days store like Pizza Hut are using DoorDash to deliver. So I can not imagine how worse it is now for workers competing against gig drivers. They probably delivery less orders due to the stores not wanting to pay their own drivers. And the store make more money outsourcing to gig jobs. When I worked at Marcos I remember being paid $3 when I was on the road. But minimum wage ($7.25) when in the store. But was still using my own car to deliver. And I spent more time on the road. And here most jobs pay under $15 an hour as minimum wage is still $7.25 an hour. Been asking a few people when transporting how much they earn at their job because I been searching for other work. And I get a lot of $10-$12 an hour from passengers. And none of this are tip wage jobs. It is hell out there.

[@Thunder_Dome45]

Door Dash doesn't even pay the extra dollar anymore for that added delivery.

[@phaedrussmith1949]

Now you're just trying to keep billionaires from being billionaires. Commie, fascist, socialist, pinko freeloader.

[@Cassie-xx5fb]

I can imagine it's much more peaceful working for one restaurant than relying on the people's whims. Hourly wages are a blessing. (I tried doing Lyft and earned $0.)

[@MidnightOracle8]

💯most customers have no clue how F’ed it is for drivers.

[@AnonymousAnarchist2]

I delivered pizza before UberEats and DoorDash where a thing. Second job thing. part time two days a week. For a small pizza parlor with little buisness. It paid for the downpayment on my house. That should sink in.

[@omduggineni]

@AnonymousAnarchist2 out of curiosity: how much have pizza delivery income and house costs changed since then?

[@AnonymousAnarchist2]

@@omduggineni Well I did try driving for UberEats last year just because I got curious. Delivery income is significantly less, about $15/hr less comparing a friday night driving for Uber; to my wesnday take home. I figure that may make up for any inexperience I had with Uber. My friday take homes doing direct delivery where averaging about $200 for a four hour shift, but that doesnt take into account car maitiance and gas spent. Wensdays where averaging about 80-100 about 20-25/hr, and all shifts had minimum wage paid on top of the take home. And stress+distance traveled for average delivery significantly higher further cutting into the total take home for the driver. Not to mention the increased cost to gas and matainince. The home comp in that neighbourhood, for that particular floor plan has gone from 300k to 500k from the time it was bought.

[@sierram5109]

@@omduggineniI delivered pizza part time before I graduated from university this summer and your comment made me want to do the math for this. Where I live, it would take over 2 years of delivering part time to save up the minimum down payment on an average priced house. But the pizza restaurant I worked for had just recently joined the delivery apps and it seemed like the owners were hoping to end in-house delivery if they could… so I’m not sure how long those jobs will even last

[@sierram5109]

@@omdugginenibasically, you could still pick up a part time delivery job to save a down payment for a house IF you want to work an extra 10 hours a week for the next 2 years (though most likely longer than that), AND IF those jobs even exist in a few years. The restaurant I worked at had been in business for 30+ years and was one of the few places in town that still used company-owned delivery cars (or else you would need to subtract the costs for/decrease in value of your own vehicle from your earnings)

[@AnonymousAnarchist2]

@@omduggineni I guess Google didnt like my first reply; Delivery for app's is about 30% less then it was for a single restraunt. Tried the apps thinking the income would be the same, and I should note that for the app I drove much further then delivery range for the in house so Im sure car maitainince and repair would be higher. Home costs have gone up about 80%.

[@nokateno]

I remember growing up poor with a single parent, and when we’d get a bad cold or flu we could order some Chinese soup for under $15-20. It was a lifesaver and the only time we ordered takeout except for the rare pizza. It is sad to think someone who really needs food delivered would be priced out now.

[@browe091]

Hot and sour soup cures all lol

[@GreyJediNite]

This video perfectly explains why I go on door dash to see a restaurant's menu then call and order takeout directly from them

[@notrueflagshere198]

Just go to the damn grocery store.

[@Joe-Przybranowski]

I had to draw the line at the "fuck you" fee.

[@yds6268]

What about the fee fee?

[@TheSlideCell]

@@yds6268 How about the existence fee?

[@JacobPaul-ix7oc]

That reference was TIGHT!

[@RaheemOwens]

What about a fuck ni99@ fee

[@Joe-Przybranowski]

Barely an inconvenience.

[@addanametocontinue]

I don't know how anybody can afford food delivery through these apps.

[@Joe-Przybranowski]

Not when it costs more than the gd food.

[@doberchic]

Even if you're pulling in 6 figures in the midwest the math isn't there if you're doing your finances right.

[@1101-f6z]

@@Joe-Przybranowski There was a reason why restaurants had minimum order amounts for delivery.

[@DeliveringSolutions]

Disabled people are at the mercy of this scam.

[@jer1776]

I wouldnt even use an app if youre picking food up. Youll always be paying more, just call it in.

[@yargnad]

I was going to order a pizza the other day because they had a deal for a 3 topping, large pizza for $9.99, that's a good deal. After spending about 5-10 mins deciding what all I was going to get, at the checkout I was informed that I had to place a minimum order of $17.95 for delivery. Then the delivery fee is $5 and the tax was $2 and then I am supposed to also tip the driver. That $10 offer came out to $27 and some change. Of course, I closed the app and made a sandwich.

[@brandonp5019]

Imagine just going to pick it up???????????????????????????? Y’all are so insufferable I stg 😭😭

[@christinekaras1730]

Just buy a frozen pizza and keep it in your freezer so next time your tempted you don't have to make a sandwich but can have Digiorno delivered in 30 minutes or less straight out of your oven!

[@StarlightEdith]

@@brandonp5019Like the friend said in the video, it’s not a sin to want convenience. Also, some people are disabled? I literally can’t drive or bike. I try to use public transport but it’s not reliable nor is it accessible. If the food isnt within a 5 minute walking distance of me I just don’t eat. Before I moved to where I live now there was nothing for MILES, so I had to use DoorDash if I wanted to eat anything aside from bugging my very busy roommate who worked crazy hours just to survive to drive me to the store. Maybe consider other people live very different lives to you.

[@janvalle8998]

@@brandonp5019You can’t. The deal is only through the app. If you’ve never used the app, just say that.

[@Metarortiz]

​@@brandonp5019the point of the app is to not go pick it up, but it's currently too expensive to do it. Dumbass comment fr, you think I wouldn't make food at home if I wanted to? Smh

[@kj55]

Food delivery has gotten better. If you was born before 2000 you remember food delivery only being pizza and maybe Chinese food.

[@thealternative9580]

That’s it till the apps.

[@baritonewoman4702]

Then again, the delivery people worked for and were paid by the restaurant directly. Not through a third party.

[@CaseNumber00]

In todays world, no one really invent or makes a new thing to make lives easier- to solve a problem. Now most everyone invents a problems and we have to pay to solve the problem where it didnt exist a few years prior.

[@mb3938]

Yep! Nowadays people are trying to solve problems we didn’t have in the past that were just made up by corporations

[@ArtieMcDonald]

@@mb3938 Well the problem actually was created by the goverment in 2021 when it told all the non-essential citizens to lock themselves in thier homes for 15 days or months... I forget which. Something about "stopping the spread" of economic opporunity and seeking ways to improve thier own lives via capitalistic ventures.

[@cosmiccatzen]

Like how our addresses and personal information used to not be online& public, then companies started putting our data online & charging us to remove it to get privacy. Privacy that we already had before they started putting our personal information all over the internet.

[@CaseNumber00]

@@cosmiccatzen At this point in time, with automation and technology so advance, individuals should be making passive income every instance our data is shared and viewed. Facebook or who ever makes money on my information, I deserve a cut- its like banks using your money.

[@jennifermarie3158]

Well said

[@purdysanchez]

35% inflation in 5 years is not a sustainable rate. Wages have gone down by a huge percentage in the past five years to add to that.

[@frequentlycynical642]

You must be watching Faux "News." Wages are UP significantly in the last four years. By a lot. Yes, wages were stagnant for almost 50 years, but are finally moving in the right direction.

[@Der8cho]

Never used door dash or Uber and never will!!

[@puffinjuice]

I used it while delivery was free or discounted. The normal price is way too high for regular use!

[@stevenotero2627]

Yup. I'd rather pick up my own food or cook myself. Don't trust random delivery people handling my food. I barely trust the cooks who make it. 😎🎭✌️

[@ArtieMcDonald]

@@stevenotero2627 Neither do the restaraunts... which is why most seal thier packages so you can tell if it's be tampered by a driver pissed they accepted an unprofitable fare and refuse to seek a job requiring more skill.

[@BKKfreak]

I'm a restaurant owner. Delivery apps take 30-35% of the food cost. That means they often make more money per dish than my restaurant does. Charging a delivery fee based on a % of the bill is outrageous. Courier companies charge by weight... Not by a commission.

[@GreenTeaViewer]

I lived overseas for a decade, then came back to Australia in 2020. I noticed that everyone was now getting Uber Eats, which was new, and also that the delivery people were all recent immigrants getting exploited by being paid peanuts. They mostly give off an unhappy and stressed out vibe. A big change in the culture and nation has happened, it's driven by greed, and it's not good.

[@OgdenM]

Oh I didn't know it was also happening in Australia! And so much yes to the immigratants and them getting paid peanuts. I keep trying to tell people this is why so many people were allowed to immigrate into the US recently but people call me racist. I'm like no, EVERYONE of every race that was already a US citizen started to complain about wage stagnation etc and demanding more money. Then suddenly BOTH Trump and Biden administrations are letting in more immigrants... All while saying they are trying to control it and lower the amount... And that they care about people who make little money. .. I'm like come on! They are BOTH lying to you. They are helping the rich get richer. The only reason Biden started to lock down the border is because of the election cycle. I would not be surprised if a suddenly immigration restrictions are eased again somehow a few months after the election.... No matter WHO gets in off. But mind you, it will be through the court system or congress and not the president. The president will stay on the high horse claiming they are trying. It's the same nonsense with Biden and student loans. It's all just a play to keep people investing in the system.. The system that mostly benefits the ultra rich. {insert gif of a minecraft player riding a pig with a carrot on a string}. We the not in the 1% are not the player...... Politics is a fucking farce... Both parties are controlled by the same people.

[@BladeStar420]

Well, I've been an American citizen for my entire life, I work doordash, and I've made more than $80 an hour some nights...

[@davidvanderklauw]

It is a form of slavery that is currently acceptable.

[@vu4uboo582]

Where do most of Australia"s immigrants come from?

[@GreenTeaViewer]

@@vu4uboo582 The two biggest sources are China and India. They come from all over, though.

[@JustMePamela]

I've never used a delivery app.

[@bevinboulder5039]

Yeah, just order directly from the restaurant.

[@bropoke6799]

@@bevinboulder5039 that's great assuming you live in a place with a lot of restaurants that deliver and you're within their range. Most places don't do delivery anymore cause companies like door dash and uber eats exist. Did you even watch the video?

[@LostChildOfTime]

Wish I didn't have to rely on a delivery app given my situation. Can't wait to delete them.

[@SuperFinGuy]

Me too, too pricey and I could smell douchebagary from a mile away.

[@GreenCobrasGaming]

@@bevinboulder5039 Better yet just go to the restaurant and order it in person. There been plenty of times where people do order directly from the restaurant but the restaurants outsource the delivery to the gig apps. For example. Pizza Hut does it now where they send DoorDash orders to us. Competing against the Pizza Hut drivers. So basically all drivers lose but Pizza Hut wins. And you could still order directly from the Pizza Hut website but get a DoorDash driver. Sadly a lot of restaurants do this.

[@LapNgo-h9u]

I've NEVER paid for anyone to deliver food to me. I have plenty of disposable income, but my philosophy is that if I don't want to go out and get it, I won't buy it.

[@mursie100]

You have no idea how much money I saved when I started doing this exact thing

[@TheGroundBeef]

Right? I’m over here thinking how is “Uber Eats” and food specific delivery an issue? I just don’t use it. Even if i needed to use it 5 times a year for those RARE times i cannot get to food and need it, those 5 times would be worth the fees.

[@Emmanuel_Rocha]

Exactly my mentality. The problem is... People are stupid, and these tech billionaires are profiting out of people's stupidity. "Too expensive? Don't buy. Simple. Yes, it's gonna be a little less convinient. But come on, don't be lazy" is what I'd say to them.

[@dont_harsh_my_mellow]

The only time I ordered in lately was when I got Covid and strep at the same time and was contagious (and felt pretty sick). Otherwise, my ass can drive over to get what I need. Not necessary to pay double or triple what I would have to just be lazy. Ew. 😬

[@krystiankowalski7335]

The issue with that is that it’s cold by the time you get home

[@pakkson]

Wow! Great doc! My son and I have finally weaned off of Doordash! A blessing of getting laid off from my job. If we don’t drive ourselves to pick up the food, then we must not want it that bad. 😊

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

Ur laid off n can eat take out??

[@gabito394]

Asked the delivery guy how much Uber is paying them without the tip being included.... you will learn a lot

[@DistortedChrist]

You will learn nothing of any relevance. The transactions between employee/ employer should never even be a thought to a customer. As a person buying a product, I don't really care to know. It's not my business. If they are screwing you, sue them or find something else!

[@frequentlycynical642]

@@DistortedChrist It's called learning. Being informed. It's everyone's business as this video tells us.

[@calscottoh]

Lyft and Uber too

[@chettlar212]

​@@DistortedChristgrow up

[@kevinsiu7146]

​@@DistortedChristIt's always easy to see which people are the types of simpletons that think capitalism is "free" even after being told that 96% of a particular market is controlled by a duopoly.

[@Niccole-oq8wo]

One day a few years ago, my coworkers and I decided to order from a restaurant down the street. The place was less than a mile away. 3 platters came to $67 on a delivery app. That price was insane. I offered to go inside and order the food in person. So I did. Omg. The total came to $45. Literally, we would have paid an extra $22 in delivery and app fees, and that was not including a tip! I decided then and there that I would NEVER use an app to deliver my food.

[@AshiStarshade]

Right, that is why I don't use them.

[@ArtieMcDonald]

Congrats on participaing in capitalism. You made the cost/benefit analysis and chose the option that worked in your best interest for the time. Freedom is such a wonderful thing.

[@jer103]

Those companies rip off the drivers, as well. They only pay a base charge for each delivery. They don't pay for vehicle repair(brakes and tires), gas, employee befits, or bonuses based on performance. If they can pay the drivers as little as possible, they profit more.

[@scottshingleton7659]

That's because the drivers are independent contractors (1099) which means they can deduct those expenses from their income resulting in lower income tax where as W2 employees cannot that's why pizza delivery drivers get paid for their mileage and gig drivers do not.

[@jer103]

@@scottshingleton7659 Getting a deduction just in your gas is a far cry in the other things you have to cover as a driver. The company know and exploits this, rather than covering more of the wear and tear on your personal vehicle. Also, I've made over 9000 delivers for Doordash, and there's no incentive when you have made thousands of deliveries for them. There's no bonuses, or In Profit Sharing, at all. They don't even give you a uniform, or clothes to identify you with the company. They maximize profits for their own gain, and don't really care about the thousands of drivers that work for them.

[@_DB.COOPER]

My job doesn’t pay for my shirts, my pants, socks, underwear, cellphone and many other items I use for work so what’s your point?

[@jer103]

@@_DB.COOPER They should provide you for things concerning their operation, not things that double as your personal items. If you work for a company, and certain things will fail pertaining directly from that job and how much you work for them, you should get some compensation. The things you listed aren't covered by hardly any company. Doordash does give you deals on vehicle maintenance, yet it's not available in all areas. Nor does it cover hardly anything. Also your pay gives the ability to buy: shirts, pants, socks, underwear, cellphone and many other items I use for work. Yet, some companies provide a uniform or cellphone.

[@lordhoweproductions3733]

That’s why customers need to tip. If not go get the shit yourself

[@johnp139]

Then don’t use them if you don’t like the cost.

[@bamdealwithit...474]

There used to be a saying: eliminate the middle man to save money. Now middle men are in every aspect of the economy. For example: rent. Apt management companies are going to keep rents high to justify their fees. Owners get a check while apt mgrs cheat you out of your deposit to do what few renovations they need to the place and.to justify their never ending fees increass to the owner. Everything is a vicious circle of greed.

[@Marcus_Wulfhart]

90% of the population don't NEED to use these apps. Get your a$$ off the couch, and go get your food.

[@Anthony-dk7de]

You're right, it's a luxury service. Which demands luxury pay to the drivers. Which their greedy apps take about 80% of the fees of.

[@DistortedChrist]

@@Anthony-dk7de Most people offering luxury services make more than $2/hr 🤣 Idk anyone selling luxury cars that needs to skip meals to make ends meet.

[@eat.a.dick.google]

Most of the delivery service users don't have a car. If only people had brains.

[@TSMSnation]

Or cook at home.

[@kingjames4886]

in fact, pretty much anywhere these apps have services people don't need them... they don't deliver to people out in the middle of nowhere who might actually need things delivered to them lol.

[@RinSenna]

I hate this timeline.

[@Orcawhale1]

You are most likely a part of the problem.

[@thomas45081]

@@Orcawhale1 LOL ... ain't that the truth! 🤣🟪

[@VVVVV99611]

@@Orcawhale1 Say how. Don't just claim shit for no reason. Nuance is required.

[@Orcawhale1]

@@VVVVV99611 Have you looked at the world recently?

[@laurenelizabeth2505]

@@Orcawhale1 Still very vague. How is he "part" of The Problem? The only way majority of common folk contribute to the problem is through constant disconnection from themselves (mentally and physically) via technology usually, and/or being assholes. Negativity breeds negativity. Obviously this is part of the systematic Problem.

[@stormchaser419]

As a driver for UE and DD this is a good video. Drivers are messed over. The fees are crazy and the drivers only get several dollars per delivery forcing us to rely on tips. Smart drivers only take orders paying at a minimum $1 per mile and others set $2 per mile as their target. This forces us to decline 75 percent or more orders because the tip amount is too low to justify driving 15 miles for $5. The consumer doesnt like all the high fees so scrimps on the tip in many cases. The customer and driver are both squeezed so who wins...Uber.

[@brian243]

Behold people: the Walmart model applied to the internet. Enter a market, edge out competition, then raise prices so the execs get paid combined with not having affordable alternatives. The same thing gets repeated over and over again. If I want to get a pizza, I go and pick it up at the store after ordering via phone or net or even just going to the store and ordering in person. Sure it takes longer, but I know that the money goes to that store directly instead of middlemen.

[@qcriverrat]

Yes, it's every single industry now.

[@jayd6098]

And even after going to pick your own pizza those bastards will ask you to tip.

[@noseefood1943]

DoorDash pays $2 base + tip if any and the driver assumes all risks, provides labor and a car plus bare all expenses. And they have the audacity to deactivate you if their ridiculous metrics are not met.

[@agl6183]

As a driver, if you think that's crazy. I have had passengers pay $48 for a 2.5-mile trip. Driver pay $9 . I had to drive 6 miles to pick up. 8.5 miles. So, just over a buck a mile. $39 to Uber. They're taking all the profit out of rides now, and they don't care. People need to find alternatives to Uber or Lyft Both companies are doing it

[@OgdenM]

This reminds me of one of the times I rented a car to drive for passengers Uber. I got a ride that took me 30mins one way. My pay was less than $15 and the passager I think paid like $40. I know Uber pays for insurance and they have staff and ARE providing a work opportunity but come on..they are probably still making a 40% profit margin. That's not ok.

[@Junior.illinois]

That's why I stop driving for Uber and all other rideshare rides if you do you lose money and end up broke they don't care if you survive or make money they already have desperate drivers and illegal immigrants with fake accounts

[@ArtieMcDonald]

But you pressed the button.... You agreed that rate. But wait you say: Another driver would have taken the fare... Well your fellow drivers set the rate you are being paid.... not Uber. This is how captialism works. If the competition can deliver the same service far more effciently they and the consumer will win. You as the capitalist will need to inovate and produce a better product or skill to be more competive and comand a higer price for your service. On demand delivery rates were always going to plummet to lower and lower amounts as the skill required literally has no barrier to entry other than maintaining a functional and efficient vehicle.

[@ArtieMcDonald]

@@Junior.illinois Which is why countries with an open boarder policy specifically to import more competition for the low skill labor pool is a slow moving economic disaster waiting to happen. Vote accodingly.

[@RealHomeRecording]

@@ArtieMcDonald some of us may end up locking and loading accordingly.

[@themasterofbbq1234]

They can't rob me if I NEVER use them lmao. My air fryer is faster.

[@anthonymeade7345]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="82">1:22</a> You don't need to use those apps. Order from the few restaurants who still use their own drivers or cook your own food.

[@subyouwont]

Cooking is so easy. It’s literally just find a recipe, follow instructions, wait for cook time. I’m very surprised more people don’t just make their own pizza and stuff. Tastes way better than any of that greasy slob you get from any co

[@amandaduerk5866]

Yup!

[@DarthNihilus863]

Agree!!!

[@MarioSpeedwaggen]

This is an easy one: don’t order food delivery. Go to the restaurant. Or better yet, go to the supermarket and cook at home. VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET.

[@AA-iy4gm]

Isn't it interesting how they waited until most of the population became reliant on restaurants to introduce all of this. It might be a coincidence and it doesn't matter maybe but now it's harder for people because they completely outsourced one of the most important things in their lives, food. It's not just a matter of being fed but most diseases come down to the food we consume...

[@sachadee.6104]

@@AA-iy4gm how do you figure is most of the population reliant on restaurants for food. ? That would be pathetic.

[@Brolicpolitics]

@@sachadee.6104in cities there are neighborhoods with no grocery stores for a few miles. Then add the high cost of living and working multiple jobs. That makes a large portion of the population reliant on take out.

[@Brolicpolitics]

It's not most but it's a very large number of people.

[@MarioSpeedwaggen]

@@Brolicpolitics in the city where I live, the east side is a “food desert”, i.e. no grocery stores. The city has begged the local grocery chains to put a store in, but they won’t because they say they can’t make any money, because they run on very thin margins (I used to work in the business, and this is true - margins are very thin in the grocery biz), and the cost of “shrink prevention” (euphemism for security against theft) is too high. Very sad situation.

[@asdion]

Stop using their service and make your own food, or go to the restaurant yourself to get your food. People who are unwilling to sacrifice convenience are the reason why the current state of the industry won't change.

[@soulsurvivor1979]

I stop using that service a while ago cause it’s too expensive I rather go grocery shopping and cook

[@JMetal_enjoyer]

I think you might missed the bigger point being made about middleman capitalism on general and how this is a trend across multiple industries. Somebody comes in and makes a solution that's easier or better for the end user, then once they're in they start slowly increasing how hard they milk people. If you want a more "important" example, look at how pharmacy benefit managers are currently being sued for making insulin so expensive (multiple TIMES more expensive) that people are dying of a treatable disease because they can't afford the medication. They're price negotiating middlemen in the pharmaceutical industry

[@googleuser868]

I've watched the people at Walmart who get the groceries for people to lazy to do it themselves. These people doing your shopping don't care what they send to you. One the other day grabbed a damage box of food, gave it a quick WTF look and tossed it in the customers order. I'm sure the freshest products are not in those orders either. I shop myself and buy 8n bulk if the prices are cheaper. Longest shelf life I can get is very important to avoid waste.

[@MauriceB-zn5pv]

I get groceries delivered all the time. You call it laziness. I call it priorities. No need to waste my time in a grocery store. My experience has been pretty good and I always tip well. Maybe I get good service because they see the tip or something. I don’t mind supporting local people providing me a useful service.

[@RKingis]

I'm legally blind, and pay for DashPass. Pays for itself after 2 deliveries a month.

[@raelindashoates975]

I avoid using those apps as much as possible now. What could be a $30-$50 meal could be jacked up to $70+ just because you're having it delivered. It's just not worth it to me. Now I mostly just cook at home and only eat out mostly for special occasions or for the days where i absolutely don't want to cook. It's too expensive otherwise. Oh! and don't get me started on how restuarants seem to always mess up your door dash order. We aren't even priority because we're not there to complain. Again, not worth it.

[@Orycal29]

We JUST went thru this when we went on a trip and our hotel had no room service. We tallied up a order for a family of 6 and Doordash looked to charge us $226-before tip. After my husband caught his breath, we placed a order directly with the actual restaurant that was only 5 blocks away( we learned that when placing directly), so we opted to pick up. It ended up costing us $160- still kneebuckling for we blue coller workers, but we had just driven in and we were dead-dog tired. Still, a $66 difference before tip..

[@dedrakuhn6103]

Too lazy to go to pick it up yourself, there are people who need to get paid to deliver, that delivery person should get $100.00. For going that 5 blocks carrying your food. They earned it

[@lordofroosters]

@@dedrakuhn6103 just to be clear, they did pick it up themselves

[@JanPospisilArt]

@@dedrakuhn6103 LMAO bud, that delivery person would not have gotten the 100, more like 20 and the rest would go to the app company.

[@trba7996]

@@dedrakuhn6103u missed the point of the video

[@Cynsham]

@@dedrakuhn6103 It helps to read a comment before you type a dumb response to it 🤣

[@Hathur]

I'm 45.. I've had food delivered to my home maybe 6 times in my entire life (when I was sick or injured). I always go to the restaurant / diner and just pickup my own food.

[@kni9ght]

Same, only two for when I’m sick

[@stevenotero2627]

People are so lazy. It's why Amazon is thriving. People don't wanna get off their ass and on there feet to do anything. Well except Tik Tok dances

[@RoyalFizzbin]

And you probably ate hotter, fresher food as a result. Even if I had the extra money to throw at these services… I wouldn’t, because I can do it faster.

[@ling636]

People are acting like delivery is a human right

[@kni9ght]

@@ling636 there was a twitter feed where a young woman thought that vaccines and Uber where human rights, we are hosed

[@Mysticbladegod]

Call ahead and get it yourself! These apps and corporations are evil.

[@jocelynharris-fx8ho]

Or just order through "normal" delivery. I live in a retirement home and many of us have physical challenges and can't go in person to the restaurant. If you order enough times from local restaurants, the delivery people start to recognize you and they go out of their way to be helpful and courteous. One other reason I stopped using delivery apps; too many drivers who don't speak English and are basically illegal immigrants. Sorry but I'm a U.S. citizen. I worked hard for my money and I want it to go to someone who is an honest, hard working, LEGAL citizen .

[@maskedninja6883]

Suck it up, buddy

[@ArtieMcDonald]

Those apps... are a consumer choice... not evil. They would be evil if they had a gun to your head forcing you to use it. They exist because there are some people who value the service it provides them at the price they agree to. An evil person who want to get in the way of that free voluntary transaction/negotiation because they personally don't like it.

[@greg5892]

@@ArtieMcDonald DId you watch the video? Clearly not. Blah blah blah, voluntary transaction. Not even worth listening to you, little "free market" bot. Google "market capture" and shut up.

[@cwalker6911]

@@jocelynharris-fx8hook took a hard right into bigotry land. Get it together there, Jocelyn

[@yankeecub]

You just realized that the apps are a rip off

[@JustinRohrerJr]

I’ve considered buying a bike, a hot bag and printing some flyers offering food delivery for an 8 dollar flat rate delivery fee. No tips, no hidden fees. Just the delivery fee and the amount the food costs so I can pay when I pick it up. It would be a win win, customers would save money and doordash and Uber eats would have local competition.

[@martina5296]

That's what the drivers should do. Get together and start their own business that would pay alot more fairly, compensate them for use of their personal vehicle, gas, at least half the insurance and maybe full medical and have safety measures and support each other.

[@nalgene247]

5 deliveries per hour, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year puts you at median New York state household income.

[@gunstrokethecybertronian8659]

I'd be up for that, too.

[@canerkayahex]

@@nalgene247 realistically 2-3 deliveries per hour, 6 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year , ~43,680$/year before tax

[@JustinRohrerJr]

@@martina5296 not all drivers,that would oversaturate the market lol.

[@ljaaraica3372]

I work at well known Pizzeria in Chicago as a driver on the weekends as a side gig, and the drivers are all pissed that the restaurant uses DoorDash and the customers always request internal drivers. They don't need third party drivers, but the rule of thumb is, push third party to relief internal drivers and give them the higher tips orders that are closer and send the crappy ones to third partys.

[@3DJapan]

As an Uber Eats driver I can tell you 90% of the offers we get are low ball ones, asking us to drive many miles for not much pay. I could get a dozen offers in a night but only accept 2 of them because the others are bad or might even cost me money rather than me earning money.

[@ArtieMcDonald]

Congrats for taking the initiative for negotiating your own salary for the labor you were willing to provide. We wouldn't need a minimum wage had more people would learn this versus crying to the goverment because they took a job that did pay well.

[@jennifermarie3158]

@@ArtieMcDonald Under capitalism, we all have to work to get by, so you have to take some job. Without a legal minimum wage, it's be a race to the bottom of employers trying to pay as low as they can. You can say "no" to the job that pays $1 an hour, but if you don't want your family to starve, you better take the one that pays $5 per hours. You can literally see what happens when the government is not involved in what happens with immigrant labor--the only "choice" you've have is between bottom of the barrel and slightly less bottom of the barrel.

[@ArtieMcDonald]

@jennifermarie3158 Sorry dumbass, sound like you need to get a refund on whatever school you paid to get a shitty education. If you have zero skills maybe you will be competing at laborers bidding lower prices for the work you ar capable of. But those with better skills and or the work ethic to gain more skills will demand more for their labor and create the supply demand curve to ensure wages are available at every level based on the scarcity of talent needed for each job. The person pressing buttons on the cash register at McDonald's will always make less than the computer science person who makes the register work. Learn to code.

[@nathanielwilliams6042]

YES the dumbass "New York carrier fee" was literally because of the minimum wage laws. That YOUR type of people enforced. This is really not the subject to defend corrupt new York politicians for. There is NO SUCH THING as a living wage for an uber or lydt driver. Its a SIDE gig not a full time job. Just because YOU don't understand that doesn't mean you to make the rest of us pay for it. Yet thats exactly what yall did in NY and now your making a video about it complaining about it yet still defending it cuz its EVERYONE ELSE'S FAULT right? Not the liberal politicians? Suuureee. Good luck using that logic for new York, one if the worse states to live in.🤦🏾

[@phathomholt8450]

I live in rural Wyoming. No Uber or GrubHub. So grateful our local businesses aren’t being exploited

[@IShallCallHimTaders]

Just walk, drive or cook at home. Ffs people, you are paying 43$ for a 12$ pizza

[@markg0410]

Truth.

[@spyder001]

People pay a premium for convenience. And not all can transport themselves. I work with a lot of bus riders, and public transport is extremely limited, and limiting.

[@caseypenk]

what about those who don’t have a car and don’t have a pizza place near them?

[@lars2894]

@@spyder001 Limited by design. This is not an issue in most other cities of the world.

[@ErebosGR]

@@caseypenk Then learn how to bake your own pizza for less than $5.

[@RTDice11]

So glad I live in a walkable town. Calling up a restaurant and walking over to grab take-out is peak

[@ambiarock590]

Cycling to pick up take out pizza is fun

[@Apostolnixx]

They don't rob me personally, cause i never use them. I

[@ziltoidtheomniscient2398]

I feel like food delivery apps have, in a relatively small way, further increased the gap between wealth classes, at least in the US. Ordering Chinese or pizza was just the norm in previous decades; you didn't need to mull over which app to use to get the best deal. Media portrayed all classes having food delivered. Now, I dont even consider food delivery as an option. It's gratuitously expensive to simply order the food, as well as tipping. The extra fees for apps like DD and Uber are exorbitant. I think of ordering a pizza as a "rich person thing" now, im picking up at the restaurant myself for as long as I live now.

[@RefreshingShamrock]

I make $100 a week working full time. What's insulting about it is that Uber sends us notifications saying it's surging up when it's not or that "You could earn more 🤑". Or they'll ask us to signup for injury protection insurance when we can't even afford gas.

[@kdavidsmith1]

Are you allowed to set your rates? (This is a trick question because I know you can't and shouldn't be allowed to be considered independent contractors.

[@OgdenM]

Wait what? You work 40 hours a week and only make 100???

[@visceratrocar]

Surge pricing is bullshit. It's just a random intermittent price increase. Half the time it doesn't make sense.

[@visceratrocar]

​@@OgdenMI think he means after expenses

[@mr.foxwiz1653]

Go find a better Job. This should be a no-brainer

[@ericeandco]

No one should be exempt from minimum wage or benefits. Full disclosure on receipts should be mandatory.

[@ArtieMcDonald]

There should be NO minimum wage in a free country. Everyone should have the right to negotiate thier pay by not taking jobs that pays them less than they want for the skills they bring to the table.

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

Min wage isn’t It should be min to live on It certainly is not

[@_DB.COOPER]

I’ve never used one of these things. I wouldn’t waste a penny on this service.

[@alyssapark6127]

I wouldnt be mad about the higher fees if it meant the drivers were getting a living wage

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

BOOM Thank you

[@lukas______]

And they worked with cellphone manufacturers to pre install their apps... Buying out website domains? That's so scummy

[@MicDropBBQ]

Big Tech is the quickest way to using foreign workers in a country like the U.S., as the WEF has claimed the United States is "behind" every other country's labor market as Americans are paid too much, whereas involving foreigners (asylum seekers/illegal immigrants) in the American tech industry are the key to higher corporate profits. This is why delivery is worse now; because it's not about convenience anymore. It's about lower-quality service for higher prices.

[@jocelynharris-fx8ho]

Don't use delivery apps. Most of those drivers are illegal immigrants and they speak little, to no English. Give your hard, earned money to a decent, law abiding U.S. citizen.

[@freedomextremist7215]

You know who you can vote for to get the deportations going. That would be the best development for wages of the working class.

[@blackgemstone801]

Reading this 2 post comment thread was the most mind numbing 30 seconds ever.

[@Whillie_Whonka1]

Don’t care if they triple the cost of delivery. I never have and never will use a delivery service.

[@paulg2541]

Uber basically cut all their drivers payouts in half. It sucks anymore doing rides. Usually 150 rides in a week get you around 2k. Now it’s a struggle to get anywhere near that. We as drivers feel it big time and not enough people are speaking out about it. It’s criminal how they manipulate things behind closed doors and algorithms only for us to feel it on the clock. They need to be investigated by the FBI. Maybe there is one or more investigations right now ongoing. Who knows.

[@Junior.illinois]

I stop driving as Uber driver is not money to be made on this apps I was losing money just to keep driving putting gas and not to mention all other cost maintenance etc is pointless being an independent contractor make them rich and us poor and broke

[@treesnmoguls]

I would actually enjoy driving for Uber/Lyft, but there's 2 problems: 1. The driver does not know what the fare is. 2. Uber/Lyft do not pay the driver an appropriate cut of the fare (and they hide the fare from the driver). 3. Most drivers have no idea how much the true cost of wear and tear on their vehicle.

[@acebaker3623]

@@treesnmoguls That is so true. I always say, it's ridiculous to only get minimum wage for drivers, they should be getting MORE!! How on earth do they cover wear and tear on their vehicles, when they are not even making a living wage?? What happens when they need new tires? Or a transmission?

[@ArtieMcDonald]

Actually drivers cut thier own rates. They continued to press the "accept fare" button while thier fellow driver kept accepting lower and lower fares. You control your minimum wage based on the skill the labor you are offering requires versus the rest of the labor market competing for the same job. You are 100% in control of thier. Stop blaming Uber for your problems.

[@ArtieMcDonald]

@@acebaker3623 Uber drivers could earn enough to pay for the basic maintenance of thier vehicled by developing a skill that far exceds the skill level of the labor pool they are competing in and getting a higher paying job. Remeber Uber drivers don't even need the basic skill of show up to a place of employment on time 5 days a week as MOST people have to do at thier jobs. That one skill alone will most certainly net far grater payouts than the ever increaing competition for lower fares the on-demand delivery driver pool is scrapping over.

[@h8GW]

A reminder that the ones who profit from this model are also responsible for the rise in cost of living because they see housing as primarily an investment.

[@thomas45081]

Absolutely! ... they are the root source of just about every problem we have, especially in America ... Land of Milkin Money, and Land of the Hidden Fees 🟪

[@infinteuniverse]

It's stupid people that use these apps. Why would you even pay 3x for something you can get for literally 1/3rd the price?

[@Bannerlordfor]

Well the reason is people started because they actually used to be quite budget friendly. Yes you would pay a little extra but it wasn't a lot. Now however, in the last couple of years everyone absolutely should see that they have increased in price and are no where near worth it.

[@jett2605]

they offer "free delivery" and then they double or sometimes triple up on the service fee. i put 18 dollars' worth of food in my cart and the total ended being almost 30 dollars. CANCELLED!!!!!!!

[@luxslash]

"Few tech millionaires came together with an idea" Every asian country: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@Jaigarful]

37 and never used any delivery service. I just order takeout and pick it up myself. Nothing I'm doing is important enough that I can't afford a 10-15 minute trip.

[@genesisjames5409]

Good for you! I hope you never get sick or become disabled without any friends to pick things up for you. You’re blessed!

[@Jaigarful]

@@genesisjames5409 Whats that got to do with anything? I never said anything about people who use delivery services.

[@subyouwont]

@@genesisjames5409barring disability, that is why instant non perishable meals are a thing, such as canned ravioli

[@etuanno]

​@@genesisjames5409For such cases I have a few frozen pizzas. But if you're disabled, then in my opinion you shouldn't live alone anyway.

[@pantherman8719]

Smart man

[@Thanos88888]

I sure miss food delivery. It's nearly impossible to find which restaurants still offer in house deliveries and I refuse to pay $30 for a $15 meal.

[@kellymoses8566]

Paying for overpriced delivery for overpriced restaurant food is an amazingly stupid waste of money.

[@SusiesRepeat]

Thank you, I thought I was the only one that thought this way.

[@jeffblunte]

Yup. That’s it. Pretty simple.

[@notnoaintno5134]

Not all restaurant food is stupidly overpriced. I mean how much would you charge someone to make a pizza for them? Profit margins are pretty slim for most places, esp if they use actual food and not factory nozzle squirted bs ingredients

[@jeffholder1156]

Don't use the service. This is not a problem.

[@BladeRabbit]

Why would you use Uber Eats for chinese food in the first place? They're one of the places that always do delivery.

[@cyoohoos]

It’s not just delivery. I got in my car. Drove to Moes Mexican food. Parked. Walked into the restaurant and ordered my salad bowl. They asked me at checkout if I wanted to tip?

[@jer1776]

At least you know they wont mess with your food right in front of you vs if you didnt tip for an online or app order.

[@qjtvaddict]

@@jer1776if you don’t tip your order will just not get picked up lol

[@jer1776]

@@qjtvaddict Im not just talking about deliveries

[@blackgemstone801]

​@@qjtvaddictthe cash register is asking for a tip! Like you go to the store yourself and they demand a tip. Craziness. Like it doesn't even go to the worker who made or served your food, its just extra money to the business

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

Just skip or put $0 No fanfare Just ignore it They might not notice so they don’t spit on ur food …

[@uniquelyyou5990]

I understand people may need to work flexible hours but if you aren’t making atleast $25 an hour it’s not worth delivering for any of these companies. You basically have to pay to work for them. You have to pay car note, insurance, gas, oil changes, tires, brakes let alone if you get in an accident while working. You burn up all these miles and out wear and tear on your car but can’t even afford a car replacement with the pay. I had an ex that thought working for these apps was great money. He was barely getting $5 an order. You have to wait on the order then deliver miles away for $5. He would barely put $10 in his tank cause that’s all he had. It’s a complete waste of time working all these hours to not even make minimum wage while paying for gas to deliver these $5 orders. People don’t realize how much of a waste of time the lil money is cause “they are their own boss and make their own hours”

[@uniquelyyou5990]

Also he would steal almost all the orders. Eating all the food or eating some then closing the containers back up. I found that completely disgusting and disrespectful to the customer. I reported him to DoorDash then blocked him

[@thegamingcabana5900]

I stopped using these services and i hope other people do the same.