Most Guitarists Don't Know How "Natural Talent" Works

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[@carl_anderson9315]

In other words, you can be a hare or you can be a turtle, the important thing is not to leave the race. Talent or not, you’ll get there, the key is having a good plan, discipline and persistence.

[@camiloelgueta2213]

Yeah, you can be the next Shawn Lane, but you need work ethic to keep going

[@Wrapped4]

This is the best take on natural talent I ever heard. Once I had a student who was learning technique (particularly speed) so fast, it was starting to hurt my ego "how can someone learn in 3 months, what took me 10 years? But explaining a music theory concept to him was really hard. I've seen this pattern many times, and this answers a lot of questions I had. Thanks for this.

[@dannyhood7433]

I agree. I've seen beginners with natural talent learn songs I couldn't figure by ear. After I already played for years. I practiced everyday, serious about guitar, it happened more than once. Frustrating because the time I put in these guys have talent learn quick. Within a year they pass me,. We would jam occasionally this was late 80s. I was into tony macalpine, racer x, all shrapnel guitar players. One guy called me wanted to jam, next day came over. I told him we were playing crushing day(satriani) My brother (drums) although I didn't care much for that song, but it sounded like my tone when I played opening riff. Simple. My friend shows up, with lil fender amp, mxr pedal, plugs in. I start opening riff, my brother drums.His lead tone perfect, plays solo note for note. (To see someone play perfect satriani solo back then was incredible amazing. I couldn't believe it. My brother said dude!. He told me his turn table at home plays records half speed so he learned it. I found out later his mom ( ex hippy 60s) said musicians were n the family. My other friend was playing rush songs within 6 months after he picked up guitar first time. Maybe a year after high school he played in Christian metal band (deliverance) toured over seas long time ago. His dad played guitar and could sing 'bread' songs really well and won karaoke contest all time. This guy (son) figured out '(Air' by Jason becker)after hearing one time in someone's car on vacation. When he came home from vacation days later he figured almost half the song in his head. He ordered perpetual burn and figured out the rest of the song after received the CD in mail.

[@Spoohkybooh666]

@@dannyhood7433 😈👾😮👉👋

[@satchrules101]

The trick was for me was never give up and practice a lot !

[@Spoohkybooh666]

🤠👾👋👍

[@michaelcraig9449]

I got so much natural talent, I can learn in only 30 years, what it takes you a whole week to learn!

[@wfrobinette]

😂

[@jules153]

Couldn't agree more, I've studied this subject at great length and my conclusions are the same as yours👍🏻

[@cheenu711]

Yup. This is exactly what I found. I'm almost two years into playing guitar and I'm completely self taught bar a couple of courses I took online. Due to the cold I didn't have the luxury of having a teacher. For me groove and bending came quite naturally. Yes it took some time to develop the actual technique but being in time and bending to correct pitches was very natural. Alternate picking is a completely different story tho. It has taken a lot of labour to get down some 3 notes per string patterns. I still have trouble with fingerpicking, it's almost like a foreign feeling for me. I know it's relatively early to say all this but I've realised that breaking the perception of talent is important. It always hits me when I hear people talk about how they struggled at something that was quite natural and effortless to me and vice versa.

[@Spoohkybooh666]

🤞💪

[@rjc7289]

Some people progress faster in some areas and are painfully slow in others. It's not necessarily an indication of one player being better or worse than the other. It simply is what it is. Different strokes for different folks, as the saying goes!

[@yourguitarist]

I failed miserably at "ear training " in college. Unless it's something very basic, I usually need to see some one play something to learn it.

[@jonathanstrand2474]

Interesting, I’m self taught, but I was cognitively tested post HS, pitch and rhythm comes naturally, but book learning and theory taught in the usual way? …uh…no. Autism spectrum. I’m a melody or phrase sponge, and I played bass first, everyone’s favorite metronome, no drummer needed. Any key, but I cannot name them! For me, it’s playing along with the best music and musicians around, strictly melodies and single note phrases, intuitive, my brain gets it, but not written or spoken. I don’t hear/decipher language well, but after playing 2 hours a day (at age 60) for 5 years I’ve good touch, timing and dexterity, but for chords, I could use a teacher, cowboy chords? Sure, but I’m playing jazz now, my only instructor was a clinic in 1978, given by Joe Pass, his thing was how the patterns connect, but chordally I was dumbfounded. His ability to seamlessly go between chords and leads is second to none. My initial inspiration was Jimi Hendrix, but my hands are weak, so humbuckers NOT single coils, I play with distortion but back off enough so it doesn’t come out that way, very hot Pick ups and set neck guitars, MB amps EVM 12L speaker, Hendrix wild but emotional playing, Santana, Larry Carlton are my touch stones, my basic sound, close to Carlos, my right hand technique is my only regret, mostly down strokes but I’ve finally learned back and forth on one string, hammers and pulls are my stock in trade, tons of compression. My advice? Get a good teacher for the right hand technique to start, I could play fast if only I could pick better!

[@johnhendricks8140]

I think have teachwr early makes progress faster than trying to figuring out things on your own.

[@nethbt]

Not everyone can be good at Math, Painting, Photography or Linguistics, if you're not born with it, you'll unfortunately have to work EXTRA HARDER but that doesn't mean you'll eventually become good at it. Some people just see or solve things differently that's how it is. We all have to accept that's how genetics work. Natural talent = you're just inherently given an advantage to figure things out quickly and efficiently than others.

[@tiago2336]

You must have been born without the talent to think straight then? I'm just guessing 😆

[@Spoohkybooh666]

@@tiago2336 🙃😊🤠😎

[@anthonybarlow1767]

Is this how to practice guitar? Or how to listen to the sound of my own voice or how to tell stories without taking breathes in between sentences?

[@abhishekrajshrestha7303]

This is Proof its practice that makes a good guitarist

[@chasetheacewest]

Would love to know what moved the needle the most for your ear training

[@Kjhd9987hy]

Mechanically, i have a very high level of dexterity, and doing delicate physical things is very easy fore me, theory is also very easy but i have NO MUSICALITY lol.....

[@garykeller15]

I had the same exact thoughts till i reached the permanent Roadlbock/brick wall . that comes in various spots to those of us who were not born with the god given talent to musicians and who was not destined by god to be musicians. we can only get too and can go no further no matter how much we practiced, focused, etc. Me it was barre chords, like the infamous i guess it is called the open position F chord Used in songs like House Of The Rising Sun. So i started playing in 1990. From 1990 to 1996 when i woke up to reality. I practiced no less than 6 hours plus almost every day may with one or two days in between but from 1990-1996 there has been two full weeks of every mouth, i stay up for five days straight with a 15 minutes rest, bathroom, food break, i actually as bryan adams sung in summer of 69 song. I did actually play till my fingers bled quite a few times but i could never get past the barre chords and discovered in late 1996 the saying you have to be given the talent by god and destined by god to do music or whatever it is. You can try without the talent and being destined to do it but you will hit roadblocks where you will never get past. It is best to figure out what god intended you to be and do that even if you hate it because he gave you the talent and destined you to be it. But get this straight even being given the talent and being destined by god , you still have to work hard and practice and hone those skills. So i only have pickup my guitars a few time since 2003, i tried to get back into it in 2005 - 20008 but still could not get passed the barre chords, since then i have not picked up my guitars at all.

[@PenguinNoodleSoup]

What you’re saying just doesn’t exist. I’ve surpassed several of my so called roadblocks in a matter of weeks or even days. Stuff I could never do in years I can can do now because I wasn’t honing the right techniques.

[@tiago2336]

Wait, so you played till your fingers bled but you couldnt play barre chords? I mean you could shred tell your fingers bleed but you couldnt play a barre chord? Yeah, absolutely true story 🤣😂

[@Spoohkybooh666]

@@PenguinNoodleSoup 👋🤟wasn’t honing the right techniques quite true i never had a mentor i went out buy all kinda speed mechanics hal leonard tab books featuring Vinnie moore ,yngwie Testament , n tried play as fast early 2000s but the problem was i never improved on my basic skills first ,so i put aside my ibanez for 10yrs ,begun pubbin and enjoying women , stopped after my famil member passed away and also distance myself from ppl who only took advantage of my $$ when they wanted drinks but i began pickin up my guitar in 2011 again, started goin thru all those online tabs for any bands as well as many of techniques scale patterns of our guitar gods .. also i began watching few interesting videos by Steve Vai ,paul gilbert clips called guitar method somehow Stevey teaches you on getting your psychology right too focus on your left hand and right hand ,coordination ,start slow gradually speed up lets say scale ,know your basic major and minor first then later learn advance stuffs ok next is techniques and staying as relaxed a tense person will tire out fast you see one thing you also learn from Vai's video clips Joe satriani ,is the way your fingers wrists behave you have to pay attention to small details ,each time you play and improve on how to play your notes ,cleanly sametime ,learn where notes are play things all over the neck hmm i used to not able play a 2 octave harmonic minor or phrygian run ,but because i began practise alternate picking chromatic scales on each string and various patterns or sequeces it has improve my speed 4 yrs ago , yes one may not be a guitar god haha but thanx to love of Rock it kept me a disciplined person , so persevere if you love your favorite 70s 80s 90s hard rock ,shrapnel la ,death metal bands ,dont just easily give up Same applies to all skills too ,takes a guidance or experimentation but its the execution too,,Peace 👾😺💪🤟

[@garykeller15]

@@tiago2336 No i could not shred at all. what i meant was i was playing or attempting to play till my fingers actually started bleeding because in 1990-1996 in that time i would every 3 or 4 months for every 3 weeks of those months i would stay up 5 nights in a row with maybe 15-25 minutes of rest for a nap, restroom and eating. till i went back to playing again. i would spend 15 minutes on scales, chords, arpeggios, double hand/8 finger tapping, playing along with songs, bending and vibrato, etc. No i never tried to have a guitar teacher because i could not afford one. I was trying to get skillls up to do that demo that you needed to do for Guitar institute of technology (Now simply called musicians institute). But when my parents got sick i decided to stay home at take care of them. Never tried to attempt to go to M.I. again. Thank god in one way because I am a conservative and if i went there i would have had to deal with bullying, all the crap i delt with most of my life in grade school. But now when i stated played till my fingers bleed does not mean i was shredding, So if you don't believe it well I personally do not care. I know what i went through and i know and remember the pain i had grooves worn into my finger tips from the strings but since i have not picked up the guitars for a full time since 96 which i have on and off have picked up the guitar maybe 3 times every 6 months from 96 to 2012. but that is it. So my fingers no longer have the grooves in them. but i do believe the reason why my middle finger tips are bent (middle finger on left hand finger tip bent at joint to the left and the one on the right hand bent at the joint a bit to the right) I figure it was due to the constant practicing i did in 1990 to 1996 and from pressing down too hard on the strings. Maybe i might have gotten a tiny bit better if i had a physical in person guitar teacher but reality tells me nope god did not intend me to be a musician so he did not give me the talent or destine me to be one. which means there is only so far i could go before hitting that dead end, mine happened to be basic barre chords. if you don't believe me i personally don't care.

[@nerminsalkic6360]

Only moment of inspiration exist --- natural talent and practice nothing at all

[@robbiegarnz7732]

I think natural talent will make it easier to move forward. But it still takes practice. When you hear guys like Lynch, Slash, and Paul Gilbert talk about their music they make it sound like what they’re playing is no big deal. Clearly this is easy for them but hard tor the average person to execute. Now that can come with practice but at the same when you see them live it’s like second nature to them. I get the impression that some people just get it.

[@tiago2336]

Comparing slash to paul Gilbert... yeah. Another expert lol

[@Spoohkybooh666]

@@tiago2336 😂💯👋yeh its like comparing Kirk hammet to Steve Vai or Larry Carlton to Yngwie totally far apart in concepts & their own techniques lol aside from their own direction in music aside from knowing basic guitar playing if you get my drift

[@lukeparraguitarstuff9698]

Why do you hold your guitar like that?

[@Spoohkybooh666]

😊😅

[@michaelcraig9449]

Can you show us the process, for us poor working people, that can not afford a lesson?

[@philipgreenwood3251]

There's nothing natural about playing guitar. In terms of evolution, humans have not had the thousands of years required to use this technology naturally Humans are mostly equal regarding learning fine motor skills which accounts for most of Guitar techniques. As for music theory and learning, this is a different part of the learning brain to fine motor skills There is some scientific evidence regarding perfect pitch but who cares, as it's not important? Forget this natural talent concept. It's the excuse guitarists use when they suck => real reason is lack of hours of practice.

[@normt6226]

They only talent you should care to have...is the ability to create...Creating songs after songs that you enjoy...In the end...others will be the judge of your output and it is really out of your hand at that stage...

[@Spoohkybooh666]

😋😎🤟👋

[@Matthew_Klepadlo]

Wait, so you’re human? You make mistakes! That’s not true! …is it?

[@tiago2336]

Wise words, Sir.