Moto Guzzi V7 850 vs Ducati Scrambler 800

[@GixxerRider1991]

I just got a 2023 V7 Stone a month or so ago. It's really perfect for long distance rides. I was coming from the world of sport bikes, so I wasn't sure if I would like it or not, but I do. I love it. The Guzzi has plenty of power for what it is and doesn't encourage you to be a maniac.

[@Thunder_Bear_mg]

As the previous owner of many motorcycles and the current owner of a v7 III, I can attest that the v7 is probably the best all around motorcycle out there.

[@elisabattle8456]

I have been riding motorcycles for 55 years--BMW, Ducati, Moto Morini, Laverda, Kawasaki, Indian, Suzuki, BSA, Triumph, Zundapp. Currently own a 1989 Moto Guzzi Mille GT 1000 that I have owned for over 20 years as well as a 2013 MG V7 Stone that I have owned for over 2 years. Love both of them and will stay with Moto Guzzi to the end. --Mike B.

[@DanieleK-jn3gh]

I think the author at about 11:40 catches the central difference between these two bikes: the Ducati continually asks for the next twist! She wants some piece of road to literally eat, always, so you are pushed to continually open the gas then brake then open etc. The V7 is the opposite, it invites you to enjoy the ride, not to search for the next twist only or to fasten the time occurred to finish that road. This is incredibly central about the characters of these 2 bikes.

[@DanieleK-jn3gh]

I had a 2024 Ducati Scrambler and sold it for a new V7 Stone 850, and the only thing I regret is to not have bought directly the V7, saving 3 thousand euros. The Scrambler is superior bike on the specs sheet, but as americans say, the right measure unit to compare bikes is “smiles per mile”. The Scrambler felt absolutely inadequate for travels longer than 30 Kms, not comfy for the passenger, not comfy into the city since the 800 has the torque set at high revs and under 3.000 is barely usable: in the city I had to go with the “clutch in hand”. This is a very common problem with Ducatis. The Scrambler has the Ducati sportive DNA of every Ducati I know well (I have had 3 of them for years, in addition to other 9 bikes from custom to supersport) as its engine comes from the Monster S2R 800, nor it has enough power or cornering abilities to really go fast. I always loved Ducati and fell in love in the nightshift I bought, but then I had to realize that there was no feeling between us, in any scenario of usage I tried. Also, it is a small bike, but maintenance costs are not so small :). When I drove the V7, I found back the emotions I was feeling with my old Monster 1000. Not the same bike of course, but that “being rude”, that being “true bike”, alive, with vibrations (it pulses) and all that mechanics over electronics that make of it a less perfect but a much more emotional bike. The Scrambler is a wanna be classic, but it is a modern bike dressed up as a classic. The V7 instead, is a true classic made in a modern way. In the city driving, the V7 is super regular, while on hills I can make strong cornering in 2nd and go out fast, while on the Scrambler and on the 696 I had, i had a lot of on-off, or no enough torque at low revs (since these engines are dead under 4,000 revs, which is not true for the 1100). I tested both of them on the highway. The Scrambler makes you tired very soon. I remember couple of times making 40 Kms on the highway and were not nice travels. Pains in the back (but I should add that the nightshift is much heavier on the the arms due to its lower steering, I am sure that with the standard model this improves a lot). Also, at 100 km/h becomes unstable, not dangerous, but not comfortable since the wind makes it feel really light on the road. I struggled to find the ideal usage of the Scrambler. I tested the V7 on the highway and I made 460 Kms with a passenger! I wouldn’t say it is a tourer and the passenger got crazy on the last 150 Kms (due to a bag on her back for long hours, mainly, and no training on bikes), but be sure that with a V7 you can drive 250-300 Kms with a passenger very comfortably. As for the speed, the V7 has a much greater stability. You can feel that instantly, but that was confirmed at 120 Km/h on the highway with the bike not moving at all. Very very solid bike on the road, and the 850 engine makes its part too since at that speed the V7 is just with its 6th speed in relax mode. The sound, when I tried it, was not the best, as well as it wasn’t the Ducati’s one. That day I also tried a V7 3rd series with Mistral exhaust and no db killer: pure adrenaline, even with only 52 horsepower. So I went for a new Stone 850 and 65 horsepowers, Mistral exhausts, and bar-end mirrors. I tried it with no db killers amd the sound is incredible, but too strong even for me. The Mistral with their db killer sound amazing already, very muscular, and are completely legal. I think we will be together a lot of time! Aesthetically, the V7 is a chamaeleon: you can change a couple of details and transform it completely. It becomes “old” very quickly, but also very quickly becomes young and aggressive. It’s up to you. I suggest the Scrambler over the V7 to all who prefer a bike which is a bit smaller, a bit lighter, a bit faster, more modern. Better components, much more “perfect bike”. Hills are still its best terrain like it was for the Monster, but it doesn’t behave well like the Monster…by the way, much more than for city and highway (really not its best). Little vibrations (except the ones at low revs which are not so pleasant as the bike suffers and you too) and a very good engine, working properly, but expensive to maintain and to repair if something breaks-up. But…the sensation is that of a toy…a luxury toy, so much plastics and electronics and no great emotions for me. I suggest the V7 over the Scrambler to all who want to enjoy everywhere, anytime, both alone and with a passenger. Those who love more rude mechanics over electronics, a bit of (good!) vibrations over super clean-riding, to make more Kms (Guzzi engines make a lot of Kms if treated well) without sacrificing performance since has a high torque and it is great on hills, but very gentle into the city and more than adequate on the highway. And to those who love to fix their bike, a noticeably true bike, into their garage. Like once. On March of this year I decided I wanted a bike again. I bought a bike cover even before to buy a bike, but I unconsciously never used it on the Scrambler. The V7 got it.

[@benjaminmorris811]

Solid review. In my opinion, the look of the V7 is more mature and will never go out of style.

[@kenhorii1886]

I have a 2020 V7III S and love it- the visceral feel of the engine mechanics. I thought about the Scrambler, and test rode it. Your evaluation is spot on. I have to say, in the end, I went for the MG not a little because it is made in Italy in the same shop as all its predecessors. Although I have nothing against the Thai factory skills that produce the Scrambler to Ducati specs and oversight, it is a lovely footnote to the MG that it has the full Italian birthplace and continuous lineage. I have a Colnago C64 bicycle for the same reason. It is not the fastest or highest tech of the Colnagos, but is handmade in a shop across the street from Ernesto Colnago's home in Italy. You have to love that dimension of both Moto Guzzi and Colnago as Italian works of art.

[@rubo1964]

To add to your post Duc looks cheap with all that wiring cables in front of handlebar and dare I say kind of ugly....

[@stevenbatley8666]

@@rubo1964 the 2023 model has all those nasty cables hidden now.

[@AngelSapundzhiev]

@@stevenbatley8666 the new Scrambler is all plasticky cheap looking bike, not at all fitting its “retro vibe”. The V7 is another league of its own now.

[@DanieleK-jn3gh]

The Scrambler is made in Italy too (Borgo Panigale, a town in province of Bologna). The only non made in Italy Ducatis are the ones destined to the Asian market. BTW, too plastic toy to me (and had the same sensation with a Monster 696 many years ago, when I sold it for an older Monster) and so I sold the Scrambler to get a V7.

[@andysatch9150]

This channel somehow manages to cut out all of the unnecessary stuff, and just give a clear review of what you need to know. Definitely a dying breed on youtube.....

[@AaaaandAction]

Here here, I recently saw a video entitled 'How to sharpen a knife in 60 seconds'. It was over eight minutes long and full of adverts!

[@markb3180]

As the owner of a Bonneville T120 I get completely what you mean, a comfortable relaxed ride and who cares about 0 to 60 times!

[@Serzh_A488]

t120-3.8 sec

[@briglnai]

great and true words about the V7, i love my V7 III and probably never let her go... best second bike for cruising... there's a saying: "Other motorcycles move your body, Moto Guzzi's move your soul." 😎😍

[@trevorbrooks813]

I had a V7 Stone and enjoyed many many miles on it. I sold it for a Ducati Scrambler 800 and would never go back. The Guzzi carries you along in comfort, the Ducati wants to be ridden. I'm an old guy with many bikes in my past. I want to know I'm alive and riding, not just be carried along on an armchair. Plenty of time for that when I'm really old.

[@dry509]

I am looking for a bike. Why do you like the scrambler more? I am an older guy also.

[@trevorbrooks813]

@@dry509 Hi there. Maybe I was a little rash in saying I'd never go back, the V7 was a thoroughly enjoyable ride. Shaft drive is wonderful, much better than adjusting chains. I covered 20,000 kms in the 12 months I had mine. It was a great touring bike and an excellent pillion machine also. At the time I found it a little under-powered. By comparison the Scrambler has 50% more power and feels raw and alive. The Ducati was my present to me for my 70th birthday three years ago, I've covered 38,000 kms on it and enjoyed every one. The Guzzi has my respect and admiration but I 'love' the Scrambler. It comes down to the riding you want to do. Take some test rides if you can and good luck deciding, I'll be interested in what you decide. Trevor

[@dry509]

@@trevorbrooks813 Thanks for your reply. It’s so hard to decide since it’s difficult to get test rides except on Harley, Triumph, and BMW.

[@dry509]

@@trevorbrooks813 P.S. I like light weight and nimble. I’m just going to ride around the neighborhood and nearby countryside.

[@trevorbrooks813]

@@dry509 In that case I'd choose the Scrambler over the Guzzi. However, without knowing what your local terrain is like or how you are built, I'd say maybe look at lighter, smaller capacity bikes which can offer heaps of fun in the scenario you describe. I don't think there are any 'bad' bikes from major brands. Adequate performance, a comfortable riding position and good dealer service make for a sweet experience. Go well.

[@jimmarshall807]

In just over a month I've put 500 miles on my 850 V7 and am very much enjoying it. Mellow is a good word for it - a female cyclist said 'wow, that's looks mellow!' as she cycled past while I was sat on a bench eating an apple while stopped for a break in a village in the Yorkshire Wolds, and she was right. If 65 bhp claimed is enough for you (as it is for me) it's well worth a look.

[@RarefiedRoad]

Love that, it's a real left field compliment but you're right, it describes it well. Very mellow bike.

[@jimmarshall807]

@@andersd8956 uh, maybe...

[@Cortez450D]

Great video. I just bought a V7 iii and it’s stabled with my KTM 690. Hate to say it, but the KTM has been gathering a bit of dust (and not the good kind) lately. If I compare the two bikes, I’d describe the differences very much the same way you describe the differences between the Guzzi and the Ducati. I love them both, but the Guzzi is chill and puts a smile on my face.

[@mono6906]

Hello , I also own a 690 duke 2015 and my other bike 125 DTR sometimes gathers a bit of dust ( and mud for other reasons...) the 690 is very light and reminds me of the enduro bikes I had... The weight difference , about handling and riding pleasure , 55 kg is not a problem for you ? Thanks

[@stevenbatley8666]

My days of a white knuckle ride is over!

[@stevenbatley8666]

Probably like me,the older you get the more you like a long comfortable ride!

[@Skuggan91]

I've had a Ducati Scrambler Desert Sled but sold it and went back to Harley. I do now want a modern classic and been eyeing up the Guzzi V7. I'm not after speed but more the feel and look of the machine. The Guzzi v7 looks absolutely beautiful and I'm about to order one at the dealer for the new season. Hopefully it's my go to bike for years to come.

[@fococlaro5351]

Experience return ?

[@Timmolini]

My name is Tim too (!) and I just couldn´t sell my V7II Stone after buying the V85TT Travel. 2 very different bikes for 2 different occasions anyway. Very happy that I still have the V7 and I know that I will miss it too much! Tried the new V7 850 last week just for fun, and it has all the smoothness and extra power that the V7II is lacking. But then again the V7II have more charm because of the same reasons :) And I love the older design just a bit more... I would keep her as long as possible. Thanks for a good review, I agree with everything :)

[@_audacerider3838]

I think this is the bike bike if you wanna just go and ride for the pleasure of riding. Moto Guzzi = essence of Motorcycling. Enough ground clearance to be fun in the twists enough power and torque to make decent progress with out getting stuck behind slow traffic. Big tank to have enough range to go wherever the eyes will take You. Plus a shaft drive and easy accessible engine valves oil filter ect to take enjoyment out of easy self maintenance! Calsberg doesn't do motorcycles but if they did they would build a Moto Guzzi! And as U said this is a bike that will not set Ur world on fire with acceleration and speed but it will melt your hart with it's charm and character history of the brand and passion of the people who build it. This is a perfect do it all bike. It won't be the best at anything but there is nothing that a V7 can't do. People track them people take them on round the world adventures and enough suspension travel to take it on a dirt road.

[@colinrashleigh6488]

Good review very well done you don’t waffle on like some of these reviews simple and to the point that’s all you need. I like the comparison between the Gusi and the Ducati just right thanks 👍

[@Vegesaurus7]

Thanks Tim, you’re in the perfect position to make this comparison. I love my Honda Hornet 900 but I’d love a classic cruiser to slow down sometimes by the beach roads or out in the country. The V7 would be perfect for that.

[@AngelSapundzhiev]

The Scrambler is a hipster bike, that can go places off-road that the Guzzi is not designed to do. The Guzzi is the ultimate gentleman’s street bike - comfortable, mature and masculine, not interested to go to wild places but it exudes class everywhere it goes.

[@RarefiedRoad]

Couldn't have put it better myself

[@eddyhoughton6542]

Hmmm.... gentleman's bike? That's a bit of a shame. I want a lout's machine that will make the kids at the school I work at cry! I guess I need to scrap the Centenario and get a black Stone model! Anyone recommend some loud after market pipes?

[@AngelSapundzhiev]

@@eddyhoughton6542 best pipes for a Guzzi, in my observation, are Mistral pipes or Agostini. I personally would go with Mistral.

[@snorrejnnevaldhalvorsen6548]

Thank you !

[@kevinb2844]

Reading your post reminded me of that Sting song an Englishman is New York… remember one verse from song… “a gentleman will walk but never run”

[@raoulduke3770]

At the 11:15 mark when you say the Ducati doesn't want to sit still, that is spot on. I have a 2011 Hyper 1100 that I love but it wants to go all the time.

[@DanieleK-jn3gh]

Yes, and that was one thing I didn’t like at this time in my life: the fact that Ducati doesn’t know how to walk. It’s not her natural pace. Ducati loves to run, when you are under 4,000 revs you feel it is suffering and pushes you to accelerate. Always. This is a characteristics I found on all Ducatis I have had. Also her true voice comes out after the 4,000 revs. This is good if you want to run (but then, buy a proper Ducati, even a new or older monster, not a Scrambler). But if like me you want to also (not exclusively) go for a walk, to just enjoy the ride, the V7 is the way to go. And this new 850, if you want to have fun, has all the power you need.

[@granthendricks2384]

The V7 is definitely on my list of bikes to test ride. Great review as always bud.🤙

[@thebrowns5337]

Best quote of the video... "I had a friend, actually" Ah, bless, you might make another one day.

[@jfro5867]

Great review Tim. You and Mark Pulling are my two favourites. Really get a feel for what the bike is like. I had a V7iii so the direct comparisons are very useful. I am very tempted to get a new V7.

[@giovanniricci2869]

Nice comparison 👍 I’ve been missing your contents. Thank you 🙏✌️

[@Dreddingbath]

Super profile vid Tim, I’ve been looking forward to you getting your hands on one as your past musings pushed me towards the V7. What do I know, my Centenario is my first proper bike but I love it’s simplicity and style but in getting to know it on some longer faster rides, it comes alive on those medium paced curvy A roads. Maybe not so happy at slower speeds and in town, clunky and some hesitations and am sure many bikes are better for aggressive higher speeds. Best character quirk so far is having no fuel gauge but a countdown is shown when the reserve light comes on... only it ticks UPWARDS, so far I’ve managed to get it from 32 up to an indicated 168 miles before reaching a pump... ‘character’!!

[@RarefiedRoad]

That's the sort of 'character' you just don't get with other bikes 😁 glad to hear it performs well on those A roads though, I really enjoyed getting out on mine, it glides through sweeping bends. Happy riding.

[@ragerider6283]

Nice vid & review. I love a Guzzi, especially the new V7, just so effortlessly cool & characterful. Personally prefer it to the Scrambler but you can't go too far wrong with ether. Only reason I wouldn't get a V7 now is the new "modern" Guzzi roadster which will supposedly be revealed at EICMA this year & I'm very interested to see what it's like. Rumour has it, it will be Guzzi's take on a Ducati Monster. Who knows, but either way it's very intriguing.

[@digitalbathrx4529]

Curious if the Guzzi roadster you mention is the Mandello they showed off? Or is there another new model rumored to be revealed?

[@ragerider6283]

@@digitalbathrx4529Yes it is the Mandello but talk of other platforms using this engine will supposedly be released in time but doubt anything other than the V100 will be revealed this year. My previous comment was a little off the mark with the roadster as it was based on the blurry teaser photo which for me didn't look very V100 sports tourer at the time.

[@digitalbathrx4529]

@@ragerider6283 Yeah I am planning on picking up the V7 850 next spring. But I was hoping they would surprise us with a new Le Mans with the V100 motor. That would definitely alter my choice.

[@ragerider6283]

@@digitalbathrx4529 Indeed, a new Le Mans would be nice & I've also got my eye on a V7 850 stone for early next year too ironically. A new Daytona would be nice as well & there's no way they've developed this engine for just the Mandello so here's hoping.

[@digitalbathrx4529]

@@ragerider6283 New modern factory, and motor. Ya I think we are going to see some new stuff in a few years.

[@rickyricardo9918]

The gear shift indicator on the V7 is still set low for break-in from the factory. Redline is 6800 RPM, best power is above 5500 to the ECU rev limiter which is well above the redline. Speedo errors are ubiquitous on MCs, the V7 is reported to be 5 MPH & the Scrambler 9MPH. The question remains open but yeah the Duc should be faster going by specifications. In any event they're close. Good commentary.

[@rayerscarpensael2300]

I had the 2018 Stone and now own the 2021. From memory the old one seemed faster to me, especially with my GF behind. I am dissappointed by the lack of extra traction with a passenger. Also the new seat has her pushing me ahead of the tank bump. I am not sure at all that my new V7 is better. The old one looked better too imo. However I still have to break into the engin, just a 1000km for the moment.

[@dhhjsjzjzjjhsjsjh]

Thanks for the review. Personally, I prefer the look of the V7iii. Something about that new speedo turns me off. It was between a slightly used V7iii and a new leftover stock 2019 Kawasaki W800 cafe and I ended up choosing the W800 cafe simply based on the great deal I was able to get on it.

[@punkrockdidi]

Sold my Guzzi v7 II and I'm not regretting it.the performance was different every single day,when it rained all the lights started lighting up and it was too slow to keep up with traffic without ringing its neck.let the mechanic check it 3 times and he said everything was normal,so if you want reliable buy everything but a Guzzi...

[@dry509]

@@punkrockdidi What did you get to replace it?

[@punkrockdidi]

@@dry509 kawasaki and currently seriously considering buying a interceptor 650... the modification possibilities/aftermarket is enormous + there's a 865cc kit for some more performance if you like 😅

[@DanieleK-jn3gh]

The v7 1st rev was even worst. They got better rev after rev. But the rev 4 850 is by far the best. Of the old ones, the only good enough is the third revision. I am not surprised that you had problems with yours, it was not mature enough still.

[@markellott5620]

I'm waiting for the V100 to replace my RT.

[@sunandthesea563]

Scrambler is my dream bike, just cant afford it. I find an old beat up one and its still over 7k. I just cant justify a pricey option as just a weekend summer rider. Im looking at getting a V7, either an older 2013 or a 2018 v7III Rough, leaning towards the latter but winter is upon us so.... I may have to wait, terrible idea to get your license in Oct. RE Int650 is another option Ive been checking out, really dig em except for the look of the giant oval chrome part at bottom, for some reason I hate that lol. Cant beat the RE pricing wow, I can find a practically new 650 for around 5k. Open to any advice from anyone on options. Original choice was a CB500x but the Guzzi charm is just pulling me in. Love the weight of the 750 V7s with the look and that engine sound (what character), also that you can work on them fairly easy on your own. Anyway, been a fan and watching a ton of your videos, keep it going.

[@Pipertwintubo]

Obviously just missed you riding around my neck of the woods. lovely roads for the V7!

[@RarefiedRoad]

There are some lovely roads around you mate, I'm jealous.

[@timothybrockbank7474]

I fancy the 850 special but the news on the new modern guzzi sounds interesting are there any pics around

[@xtrythis1170]

I bought a 2020 V7 III Stone S about 6 months ago and have been loving it. This is my first bike and couldn’t have imagined anything more perfectly suited to keep long term. The V7 power is adequate and just that.. The Ducati scrambler for me was a little too springy and did not feel as substantial or solid as the V7. Ducati is definitely more of a neo retro than a V7 which is simply a classic design with modern tech. #guzzifanboy haha Great video btw. I’ve heard the new 850 E5’ are quite a bit smoother than the V7 III as far as jerkiness and clutch feel/engagement but I haven’t rode one yet. Cheers

[@RarefiedRoad]

I'd say it felt a bit smoother than the older models to me but only by a little bit. And you're right between the Ducati and the Moto Guzzi the Guzzi feels a little more solid, the springy nature of the Ducati is great if you are ever going to take it off road but for road riding the V7 feels better.

[@alfajuj]

I now own a Ducati Icon, but when I was bike shopping, I test rode a V7. I love the traditional looks and comfort of the Guzzi, but in riding dynamics, let's be honest, there's just no comparison. I am quite confident that on a twisty mountain road the Ducati would leave the Guzzi for dead. The Ducati is clearly uncomfortable, and isn't as pretty as the Guzzi, but you're just having too much fun to even care. I just love the Ducati's champing-at-the-bit character and limitless cornering clearance. It's really confidence inspiring when you push it. That said, I think the Guzzi would have been an excellent choice, too. I'm sure I would have been happy, and more comfortable with the Guzzi.

[@DanieleK-jn3gh]

The Ducati is super easy when cornering, light and fast, goes diwn super quickly. By tradition, on hills it is always the worst enemy for other bikers…by the way, the Scrambler is not a good example of the goodness of Ducati onto hills. The Monster is, and the Scrambler is way worst than every Monster made (first series, which I had and is the true Monster, the second series, which also I had, and the third series). But I confirm that a Ducati Scrambler on the hills is faster than a V7.

[@1990-t1j]

Just watched this again, and I have changed my mind. I'd rather have the MG. More my type of low-down torque. You don't do as many videos now. Doubtless down to your excellent work at Urban Riders. I'll watch whatever ones you put out.

[@drbn3245]

These were exactly the bikes i was considering some years ago for my first ride. Didnt buy any of them and went for a street twin :-) But the desire for this guzzi has grown…. and with the 850 + More experience, its bigger than ever

[@DucatiDiaries]

Great comparison of two great bikes.

[@carlmarkwyatt]

Thanks for the review. I currently have a V7ii, the iii never really appealed to me but I am finding myself drawn to the new 850. I'm tempted to go look at the 2022 yellow variant when it arrives.

[@meshplates]

If you want the real vintage vibe with shaft drive, which would you choose a V7 850 or a BMW R Nine T. Of course the difference in price is pretty massive, but I am thinking simply of what it is like to daily these bikes, not the obvious performance advantage of the BMW.

[@shimadahiroyuki7975]

I have ordered v7 stone, gray one, however still been waiting some optional parts in Japan.

[@andrewoliver8930]

Nice to cruise around on and it can handle some twisty bits. It's got enough Italian style and suits me down to the ground.

[@michaelhegyan7464]

Just picked a 2022, Guzzi V 7 Stone, very nice..along with my Harley Hertaige and Triumph Speed Triple..

[@ChristophePeytier]

Great video. Just a note: the Guzzi's V-twin is NOT transversal. The Ducati is ..

[@kaveiros75]

Nice video... but I would expect more about how the new v7 behaves in corners. I know it is not a super-naked, but still... can you have some proper fun on a twisty mountain road with it?

[@splodge57]

My 1978 Guzzi 850 Le Mans looked a lot nicer and performed much better than this new model does 43 years later! If I was to go back to Guzzi it would be the V85TT but I do like the Ducati 800 Scrambler. Cheers.

[@deancerne1275]

V7 is a city bike under 10.000 €, 850 Le Mans was a superbike of the time and very expensive

[@takenbythewindNdrivenbythesea]

I will go Moto Guzzi V7. It’s a beautiful motorcycle ❤️❤️❤️

[@disco41]

Nice little vlog Tim I like the guzzi looks really old school. 👍

[@arnoldmiga5689]

thank you for the review, I've been eyeing both and that's a scrambler and then save up for a v85tt (and skip the v7)

[@patrickking1966]

It's the King of Cool.....you know you need ones....or a desert sled!!!!!just saying.... love the review

[@robbikebob]

I went on for ages about how the V7 needed more power and a bigger engine... But now they've done it, I'm a little disappointed with it. It looks 'fatter' and it's certainly not as good looking as the V7. I really dislike the headlight shape and the clocks ( I know the special has more traditional lights and clocks, but it looks too retro). I'd rather pick up an old V7 and spend a bit on customising it...

[@volt8684]

The 2018 vin nos V7’s had engine failure via cam shaft. Check it out.

[@bikerbeliever8169]

That gray color looks good on the new v7, first one I seen with that color in detail. The Guzzi has loads of character, just really good all round bike imo. The rear suspension feels better than the v7 iii. The Ducati is nice, but probably more toy like than the v7, which feels more like a machine. The scrambler is lighter and more power so it should easily be faster, obviously.

[@michaelevans1658]

Like to see a comparison to the Triumph street twin.

[@paradisecityb]

Great comparison, and thanks for the video. I'm debating between the Icon and Guzzi V7iii. Is the wet verses dry clutch something to consider when making a choice?

[@jimmarshall807]

I've not ridden a 750 V7, but on the forums and in the MGUK club magazine the 850's clutch is said to be a great improvement over the one in the 750. I find the 850's clutch to be smooth and progressive, while the clutch on the 750 is grabby (allegedly). Better OE types on the 850 too, the 750's Pirellis are (again allegedly) lacking in the wet. I think that's enough allegedlies

[@paradisecityb]

@@jimmarshall807 Lol thanks Jim really appreciate the reply and feedback :)

[@endo9913]

Great, straight to it review. Tried all the bikes you mentioned, and the V7 850 tomorrow. Buying second hand,would you recommend only looking for an 850 or are there any advantages to a V7 III ?

[@MC-td8ch]

Hi! It is the grey or light bleu color? I can't tell sorry

[@williammuir638]

Both great bikes. However guzzi will last forever with a bit of care. Longevity has always been an issue with ducati unfortunately.

[@raoulduke3770]

The air cooled Desmo engines can last an awfully long time if maintained properly

[@alainrocheve1501]

What about the "clac" in the Guzzi's gearbox when U change gear ? Still here ? Thanks !

[@scottcalhoun5524]

Yup!

[@louv3080]

Late post but having had 2019 Scrambler Icon 800 I couldn't tolerate the heat from the v-twin under the seat ... can I safely assume that the MG is not as hot as the Duc?

[@DanieleK-jn3gh]

I confirm, the Scrambler is hotter. The V7 is not cold, but on the Scrambler I felt it much more than on the V7.

[@haasoc2716]

How much you have to pay for Desmo maintenance for Ducati? you can do valve adjustment in your garage for v7. İ think that is the major issue to choose which is better😂

[@WoBlink1961]

"If you're anything my height or under you will appreciate [the seat height]....." Very helpful - or it would be if we knew how tall you are? :)

[@TheSenna76]

I recently test rode the V7... Yes, it has character and not everyone rides one...There's no chain to deal with... However, the Ducati is in another league when it comes to riding dynamics( faster, lighter, better handling, better brakes) and no one can say an L-twin air-cooled Ducati lacks character, especially with a Termignoni slip-on.... Writing the Scrambler off, saying that it's a hipster bike is plain prejudice.... Ducati Scrambler is the Porsche 911 of this class...

[@1990-t1j]

I'd rather have the Ducati, but I'm not sure I'd trust one. It looks better to me.

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

Ducati , way more power and a way better/modern suspension. No brainer.

[@eddyhoughton6542]

Thanks for the very rational review. I've just reserved a 2021 V7 Centenario at my local dealer's but he has a couple of brand new V7 III-s left over from last year up for grabs. I'm still in time to go for one instead, and frankly I like the analogue clock, the traditional headlight and the range of after market parts more on the older model. I guess I have a lot to think about before I pay my money tomorrow afternoon.

[@jfro5867]

I’m in a similar position Eddy which way did you jump?

[@williamrae9954]

Moto Guzzi V7 is probably the bike for Southern Europe, but not for getting there on(use the van for that)....£6995 currently, nice bike for that cash,especially with 21litre capacity and shaft drive!

[@mattwilliams9758]

I’m gutted that I’m too tall for the V7, wonderful looking bike… but alas, at 6’1” the ergos are just a bit small.

[@briglnai]

don't know what's that in centimeter, but I have no problems at all with my 185cm....

[@GixxerRider1991]

I'm 6'2 and plenty comfortable on mine.

[@debenhamdave4314]

Had a V7ii Stone, loved the looks and basic turn key and go, but didn't quite do it for me, replaced a the the time with a Monster 696+ which is a bike I really do miss. Cheers Tim.

[@CornishMotorcycleDiaries]

Having owned a Scrambler, I can concur with the Skittish nature of it. Plus on mine the finish was starting to deteriorate very quickly. And yes the batter charging is marginal on them. Currently riding a Vulcan S which has many great characteristics, but lacks the soul of an Italian bike.

[@MauriceTarantulas]

Love the look but just looks a bit dinky for me at 6"1". The other thing is availability. Not seen many dealers about..(motto Guzzi). Great vid. P.s Want something for country riding/touring. Maybe say Spain so perhaps a mid range adventure type better but not keen on the looks. (Perhaps if abroad something like a Honda easier to get fixed).

[@jfro5867]

I would say it’s similar in size to say a RE 650 Interceptor, it’s not a ‘small’ bike it’s just we have got used to huge adventure style bikes nowadays like Africa Twins (for example). I’ve just bought one and Tim’s review is very accurate. It’s lovely. No regrets.

[@overlander5587]

Having previously owned guzzi's and now own a scrambler I can tell you my take. If you like a lazy ride and want to take in the scenery then go for the Guzzi..in comparison the Scrambler wants to be ridden and will reward you heaps if you know how to exploit it's full potential. Though as a bikes go, hands down the scrambler is a much better machine in all respects.

[@stevenbatley8666]

Is it more comfortable

[@overlander5587]

@@stevenbatley8666 For me yes..I prefer the wider high bars and foot peg position of the scrambler. which On the hand the Guzzi seat is more comfortable but that is something you can upgrade no problem.

[@barrybarnes96]

like most bikes in this class i suspect the suspension and brakes are probably budget parts...so you want nice pavement and don't drive like a mad man, you may not stop in time.

[@mikefule]

I had a V7 Stone with the 5 speed gearbox. It was stolen and I got a V7ii Stone which is 6 speed. 2 lovely bikes. I'm considering the bigger engined version for next time. Good review. *Pedantry alert:* it's an in line twin, not transverse. One cylinder is very slightly ahead of the other. The crank shaft is in line with the bike, not across the line. Compare to a conventional UJM transverse 4: which way does the crank shaft run?

[@motosnape]

I have a thing for retro bikes, I must be getting nostalgic, now that I'm 41. I've had a break from bikes for a while, my last few were sportsbikes, I just wish that I had seen the light back then, and bought more 'rounded' bikes at the time. I tried a R9T a little while back, I loved it, in terms of space for a pillion, it was a bit minimalist. So, about a month ago, I tried the V7 and the Interceptor, back to back. I liked the V7, but ultimately I preferred the Interceptor, by comparison I thought the V7 felt sloppier and looser, too low (and I have shortish legs), I also thought that the Interceptor felt more powerful and more lively, on paper this just isn't true. In the case of both, I felt that they lacked about 15-20 bhp, this might suggest that I just don't get what these bikes are about. Who knows. In the end (last week), I bought a BMW R1200R. Classically derived twin cylinder, so plenty of character and flexible power delivery, a comprehensive list of useful tech, and a good chassis for pillion, luggage and touring capabilities. Oh, and the engine has more power than I was looking for. I've got to say though. I think that either an Interceptor or a Vitpilen 701 will have to join it on the garage in the next year or two. Thanks for the vid. I'm sucscribed to a few English, Scottish and Canadian motorcycle youtubers, it's great to see a fellow Welshman creating such great content.

[@UncleLongbeard]

looking at the speedo I got the feeling that my W800 is a tad bid faster to 60 than new v7 but it might be up the hill as well :D

[@devidmartini5533]

Guzzi top👍🏻👋🏻

[@الحارثالحارث-ع3ذ]

👍🇸🇾

[@mirkocometti8452]

Guzzi 🇮🇹✌️🇮🇹

[@punkrockdidi]

Sold my Guzzi v7 II and I'm not regretting it.the performance was different every single day,when it rained all the lights started lighting up and it was too slow to keep up with traffic without ringing its neck.let the mechanic check it 3 times and he said everything was normal,so if you want reliable buy everything but a Guzzi...

[@bruceramseyramsey2605]

Why??? Why?? Why not compare to V85tt. Guzzi'"scrambler".

[@gianfilippomuratore8244]

La Ducati pesa 50kg di meno e grazie al cazzo che ha più ripresa

[@lesjones7617]

Just whiting for the V7 80Hp????????????????????????????????????????????????