A massive thanks to Fowlers of Bristol for lending me their two demo bikes to make this video. If you'd like to try either, email philh@fowlers.co.uk
@terencewickens29793 жыл бұрын
Great youtube, 2 very fine bikes I ride a z900rs and was going to buy a speed twin as a second bike for the wife, as I like riding different bikes this was going to be the perfect combination, the problem is the tank size/range, as this tank seems to be fitted to a few models in the triumph range, an option of let's say a 20 ltr tank would give owners, and potential owners a better fuel range that a lot of riders are looking for
@hulkhatepunybanner Жыл бұрын
*I hope no disabled persons were looking for a parking spot that day.* LOL
@cornishreptiles3 жыл бұрын
So here’s my take. I owned a Speedmaster 1200 with the HT version of the same engine in the Speed Twin. I loved the engine, it’s fast and punchy, sounds amazing and had plenty of power. I absolutely hated the small fuel tank, when I go out for a ride I want to ride, not stop every hour for fuel. So I bought a Z900rs in Candytone Green. The engine in the Kawasaki is flexible and smooth enough that in the twisty stuff I leave it in 3rd gear. 3rd is enough to drop down to just below 30mph, wind on out the corner and the power builds and builds as you rush to the next corner and your easily doing over 60mph in 3rd. The engines fabulous. The air box howl, the suspension, the comfort is all amazing. The bike feels super light weight, it’s surprisingly tall so you can see over traffic almost like an adventure bike and you have shed loads of ground clearance. As for Brembo vs Kawasaki branded brakes, they are Tokico callipers and again great. For the £500 less you would spend on the Kawasaki you could stick a can on it or braided lines. I have no regrets. I got rid of a Ducati Supersport S for my Kawasaki and I have zero regrets. The Z900rs reminds me so much of my old 1996 ZX6R engine, I have all the sports bike fun and thrills and none of the aches and pains. One review I saw said the RS is 90% sports bike and 10% retro, I would agree with that. In town the bikes manors are also fabulous. I thought I would miss the punchy twin cylinder bikes (I’ve owned solely twins for 7 years or so) but the engine has enough torque everywhere that I don’t miss them one bit. Also you say the bikes a 900cc, which is a bit miss leading from Kawasaki because it’s a 948cc. As you can tell, I love it. No fussy riding modes, nothing to look at and play with, just the thrill of riding and what an engaging ride it is.
@jerryhumphrey55333 жыл бұрын
Agreed mate!
@ykevin06073 жыл бұрын
Really you don't miss the twins one bit? 😉
@cornishreptiles3 жыл бұрын
@@ykevin0607 I thought I would but I really really don’t. Kawasaki did a great job making the engine feel feel powerful throughout the rev range it never feels underpowered.
@predibhoy22423 жыл бұрын
now THIS is a proper review
@cornishreptiles3 жыл бұрын
@@predibhoy2242 if I had a face and voice for KZbin maybe I could’ve made my own.
@bantononabike3 жыл бұрын
Been on both. And it was the triumph that made my face ache from smiling so much! Its just a blast to ride! My money is on the Triumph!
@styrr33 жыл бұрын
I was just about to say the same thing! Speed Twin has a lot more personality. I rode them both at a dealer just minutes a part.
@Hsp443 жыл бұрын
@@styrr3 what’s the top speed?
@admiralbeez81433 жыл бұрын
Top speed? Where are you going to top it out, a track day?
@bantononabike3 жыл бұрын
@@Hsp44 I have no idea! I don't need to go top speed to have a blast!
@Hsp443 жыл бұрын
@@admiralbeez8143 just wanted to know it 🤷♂️
@hans36803 жыл бұрын
These two were on my list. In the end I went with the speed twin. Looks& finishing details and character of the twin swayed me to the Triumph in the end. Honestly can’t go wrong with either.
@frankmlchaelglasscock65392 жыл бұрын
Amen to that
@jamesdarnell85683 жыл бұрын
For those of us who don't do a lot of riding on the motorway, a comparison of the Triumph Street Twin and the new Kawasaki Z650RS would be quite interesting. Great video btw.
@tompritchard3013 жыл бұрын
Good review! I really enjoy your clips, keep it up. I originally chose the Z900rs because of the extra power and sharper handling. The ergonomics for a taller rider was also a big bonus. After 2000 km I swapped it for a Bonneville T120. The Z900rs never felt particularly good riding at real world speeds, it only ever felt at home when being thrashed, which makes sense for a four cylinder bike. I also had a lot of issues with the suspension, it always felt harsh despite having it professionally set up. I think this really comes down to personal taste though. My taste is to putt around town on a beefy two cylinder retro, it just makes me feel great. I knew I made the right choice as soon as I rode out of the dealership, it just feels awesome doing anything, and I much prefer the styling. Obviously you're not getting a knee down on it, but it's still plenty of fun on the twisty roads. The Speed Twin would be better for sporty riding, but the T120 feels less cramped for a taller (6.1f) rider, so it's a trade off. Ironically, I lost my license for three months for speeding on the T120, oops.
@valentinafiorini53242 ай бұрын
😂
@FuelwithDave3 жыл бұрын
I love my speed twin... For me it was the seat height (short rider) and I prefer the styling of the triumph. But both great bikes as you say 🙂😎
@mrKulaty2 жыл бұрын
Im short rider too so I prefer triumph. Al aslo prefer it for the design. it looks perfect.
@stratolestele7611 Жыл бұрын
I literally just went through this comparo yesterday and today. Yesterday, the dealer didn't have the Kawasaki in stock (it was at their other store), so I looked at all the Triumphs. I fully expected more of a visual impact with them. In fact my favorite was both the blue/white and red/white TS120s. The Speed Twin, in black (saw a used red one in the parking lot) disappointed me - and the Speed Twin 1200 was what I fully expected buying, but it just looked bland to me in the showroom. Easier foot reach yes, but I felt too canted forward. I also didn't like the footpeg/shifter/brake positioning. The way it made me twigs and berries vibrate - and I never even rode or heard them! Sat on the Kawa 650rs. Night and day difference in seating comfort. Much better. Today, I was able to locate the exact Kawasaki I wanted, the 1200 cafè in black and gold. Oh man, IT got my heart pumping in a way the Triumph didn't come close to doing. I know I would have loved the Triumph, but it was the Kawasaki that spoke to me. What's funny, is that both dealerships are under the same umbrella (just different locations) and EVERY SINGLE guy who knew I was getting the Kawa said they liked it much better. To be fair, they said that BEFORE I said I was getting the Kawa. I'm also a short rider, and no doubt about it, the Speed Twin is lower and has a lower center of gravity. However, when I sat on the Kawa, I could plant the balls of my feet down. Plus it feels so light compared to the Harleys I rode for 30-35 years (Softails, Road King, Electra Glide, and Sportster). My stats for anyone interested. 5'5" very fit and strong, but in that 60 yrs old area. I wear size large gloves and in Shoei helmets, 29" inseam, 177 lbs. Size 8 boots/shoes. 46" leather jacket (had to have the waist pulled in). I'm just throwing that out there in case it helps similar sized guys.
@FilipeNeves-xp1ur Жыл бұрын
Wonderful motorcycle on all fronts and extremely beautiful, for me the most beautiful motorcycle on the market together with the Bmw r ninet in the 100 years version. Congratulations and enjoy it. Best regards ✌️
@elevationmoto62083 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this comparison! I bought a z900rs from a local dealer. No Triumph dealer nearby. Delighted by my z900rs: love that deliciously howling 4 cylinder engine: so soothing at low power; so thrilling wide open!
@masongoss46153 жыл бұрын
Great comparison. Just picked up a 2020 Z900RS on Friday. As a kid if the 70’s it feels more authentically retro for me and my image of an old school bike. I didn’t manage to try a Speed Twin, but there aren’t any on the market in my price range anyway, so I willingly went for the Kawasaki. Also, there is a factory low seat option on the Kawasaki which makes it more confidence inspiring for shorter riders like me. It’s a great bike and I am looking forward to clocking up some miles. Maybe the Speed Twin next time…… 👍
@coastalhillbilly34193 жыл бұрын
Also remembered the wicked fast and loud KZ 1000s of the late 70s early 80s with low bars, 4 into 1 black kerkers, mag wheels. Picked up a 2018 Z900RS this last summer with under 2000 miles, came with low seat option, previous owner also gave me the OEM stock seat, thought I loved the low seat but the taller seat puts me in a more forward ready riding position, better for taking off from traffic lights as well as diving into the turns, unlike my sake rockets of years past I think sitting on this bike instead of in this bike is a better set up for me, I’m 5’ 9” and have put low clip on bars on it as well. Also the beach cruiser high bars and low rise Rizoma bars I tried with low seat accentuated the sitting in the bike not as ready to maneuver feeling
@denisg42883 жыл бұрын
Hi Do you know what height the low seat option is? Looked on the website which shows the option but no details. Thanks
@coastalhillbilly34193 жыл бұрын
@@denisg4288 Not sure height of low seat option but sitting on it, it's not just lower it is more narrow at the front which helps 'lengthen' your legs as well
@denisg42883 жыл бұрын
@@coastalhillbilly3419 thanks
@masongoss46153 жыл бұрын
@@denisg4288 the published figures are 835mm standard and the lower seat makes it 800mm. Quite a difference really.
@davgb79042 жыл бұрын
I may have commented on this video in the past, but I keep watching it and enjoying your comparison. I tested both machines (the older ST) and ended up choosing the Z900RS. For a number of reasons, an interesting choice. In 40 years I've ridden but never owned more than 2 cylinders, so was biased to the ST. It also had more immediate character, but the Z grows slowly and does have a soul. Both are wonderful to ride - again, the ST instantly gives confidence and a grin, and the Z is instantly capable garnering respect, but the grin takes a few more miles. Both handle well and have superlative engines. The Z is, in my opinion, far better finished and engineered, certainly close up. And the dealer network plays a part - much closer, for me anyway. So the choice was not difficult and I am in love with the Z. Can't see myself getting rid of it whilst I can ride. That said, you're analysis is spot on - the two are so close it's down to your budget and preference. Probably down to some daft thing like colour or stripes. One things for sure, if my budget extended to two bikes, they would be parked alongside each other in my garage.
@JasonTongConsultancy89810 ай бұрын
Well said, so true.
@ashleyjamesmusic76002 жыл бұрын
I bought the 2020 Triumph Speed Twin. I love it, it’s such a great bike and I can’t imagine anyone would ride one/buy one and not like it. I haven’t ridden the Kawasaki RS - but I imagine it would be the same experience. I want the Kawasaki too!
@sathishrao79263 жыл бұрын
I’ll go with the Z purely for that sweeeeeeet in-line 4 exhaust note !
@kevinnashskitchen35173 жыл бұрын
1/4 mile times a bit faster too
@hiteshgujarathi46363 жыл бұрын
It cost 15lakh meanwhile speed twin around 11. So I don't think it's any compitition. Speed twin is all the way.
@sathishrao79263 жыл бұрын
@@hiteshgujarathi4636 Note that you’re getting 2 more Cylinders for those additional $$ !
@hiteshgujarathi46363 жыл бұрын
@@sathishrao7926 that won't cost that much TBH. Because z900 is priced 8.7 lakh and it's same bike nothing different. Yet rs cost 7 lakh more which is nonsense imo. So speed twin make much more sense that rs.
@tahoehiker3 жыл бұрын
In the US the kawasaki is $900 cheaper
@angeldimitrov13533 жыл бұрын
The wonderful burbling exhaust note and much higher torque output way lower in the rev range makes the Triumph my favorite for sure…I prefer blasting around town rather than on super fast roads…Triumph’s wonderful engine is the choice for that, no doubt
@marcmaz213 жыл бұрын
Both are great bikes. I went with a leftover 2014 Honda CB1100 for $6900 new. Best choice I ever made. Incredible machine. 😊
@becoolstayfrosty2 жыл бұрын
congrats on your purchase! Those cb1100s are hard to find.
@ribalderr60522 жыл бұрын
saw a 3 year old (new) street triple for full price at dealer. triumph wont let them lower price., whos gonna buy that full price 3 years old, an eat all that depreciation?. not me.
@MotoGoato3 жыл бұрын
Triumph, no hesitation ... that big thumping parallel twin is way more appealing to me than just another down tuned in line 4. Plus I find the Speedy to be far more aesthetically pleasing, it's the one I'd much rather see waiting or me when I open the garage door 😉
@at96702 жыл бұрын
The inline 4 is down tuned from what?
@MotoGoato2 жыл бұрын
@@at9670 The non retro Z900 ... the RS uses the same engine but detuned / retuned. Z900 makes around 124bhp and the RS makes around 110bhp. It does mean the engine is less stressed in the RS though.
@allwheeldrive3 жыл бұрын
Very difficult choice! But there's an elephant in the room. Have owned a Speed Triple for a few years, and have a old VStrom 1K (one of many very reliable Japanese bikes I've owned). I have more problems - and more cost and head-scratching from the dealer - with the Triumph. If this is your only bike, and if you REALLY ride, the Z is really the only choice. There's more romance with the Speed, but like most emotional affairs, ultimately being able to count on your partner is more important.
@elevationmoto62083 жыл бұрын
Z900rs is my only vehicle! I ride it everywhere: freeways, dirt roads, around town, twisty roads. Always puts me in a good mood, never wears me out. 500+ miles in one day. No problem.
@rickparkinmoto3 жыл бұрын
Both beautiful machines, but as I get older I prefer the easy-going nature of a torquey engine, so it's the Triumph for me.
@PaoloD2R23 жыл бұрын
Same here, had both and ditched the triumph. The Z engine is butter smooth, can' t say the same thing about the speed twin one
@TheGreatestBeyonder3 жыл бұрын
Triumphs are a lovely engine… sold my last iL4 after I turned it into a very angry bike! 😆
@Hsp443 жыл бұрын
@@PaoloD2R2 i have heard that they are really smooth
@geneclarke22053 жыл бұрын
I would wait for the Z900RS ES with the upgrades. Yes, a bit more money but if you're going this far might as well go all the way.
@tigerick72913 жыл бұрын
My Kawasaki dealer told me they were all sold as it was only a special edition.
@coastalhillbilly34193 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah too bad gold forks but yeah mo better brakes and suspension, give me the gauche forks
@gregorybigg89243 жыл бұрын
Exactly and that’s why I put my order in and it’s finally the retro colours that I’ve been waiting for, winner winner 👍
@geneclarke22053 жыл бұрын
@@tigerick7291 I thought it was limited availability due to supply chain issues and this would continue in 2023. But my Triumph dealer doesn't appear to have an issue getting bike and two 660's showed up last week and the RE shop has a good selection too.
@BarnettSpeedSuzukiThou3 жыл бұрын
Only problem is on the se Öhlins shocker they won’t give the spring rate so a waste of money if you’re not in the range per chance
@madrat51763 жыл бұрын
I’ve ridden both many times. The Speed Twin is definitely the better looking and more refined bike overall, but for pure performance and speed, the Kawasaki wins hands down.
@ykevin06073 жыл бұрын
For pure performance and speed I'd get a supersports or a liter bike 😁 not a classic so you'd get the triumph too right??😂
@madrat51763 жыл бұрын
@@ykevin0607 Correct (I have a Honda cb1000r). But between the two in the video, they're apples and oranges from a performance standpoint
@ykevin06073 жыл бұрын
@@madrat5176 so now you have a cb1000r with your own money you'd get that triumph right??? 😂
@madrat51763 жыл бұрын
@@ykevin0607 I’d still get the Kawasaki. Much better engine and performance oriented frame/suspension. I had a Bonneville about 12 years ago and it was a cool looking bike, but slow and rather boring otherwise.
@Cinoism3 жыл бұрын
@@madrat5176 If I were him I would still pick Z900RS, but CB1000R is definitely a better bike than both with exceptional reliability... also more expensive.
@carlosbenitez64383 жыл бұрын
Love your videos man. One of the best produced in the all of the moto industry
@flatcapcaferacer Жыл бұрын
My answer is to buy a Thruxton R, BMW R9T and R900RS SE. It's taken 7 years to do that.
@amitansu93 жыл бұрын
I love the z900RS compared to Speed twin, yet I will choose the Speed twin considering the stupendous price of Z900RS in India. In international market the situation could be very different!
@Cinoism3 жыл бұрын
I think Thailand and India have free trade agreements. Triumph making all their bikes there (except TFC) is helping their case. Though Made In Japan Z900RS is undoubtedly the more bulletproof.
@francescamaecruz88602 жыл бұрын
here in the Philippines, the RS is almost half the price of the Speed Twin and a few cheaper than the Street Twin. Crazy!
@roberthall14373 жыл бұрын
Hi BOB. As a short rider it would have be the Speed Twin for me. Triumph has done a great job on this bike.
@FilipeNeves-xp1ur Жыл бұрын
Wonderful an amazing bike ✌️
@susscrofaeuropa3123 Жыл бұрын
Z900rs. Best bike i've ever had !
@Dave-sw2dm3 жыл бұрын
Looks. Engine Configuration. Reliability. Manufacturer / Dealer support. Value. Maintenance schedule/cost/time. Those are some of the questions I ask myself when trying to decide between a couple bikes. Personally I prefer twins. V-twins, P-Twins with 270 degree cranks.
@KB-yj5xp3 жыл бұрын
I`ve put over 50,000 km on my Zrs and I have loved every single one of them, I`m sure the Triumph is a good bike too but I wouldn`t get rid of my Kawi.
@HS998763 жыл бұрын
Good review, reliability and warranty are important factor ! If I had to choose one, it would be Kawasaki. I think retro style is not just the round headlight, the ergonomics of bikes is a key factor, the height, rise and sweep of the handlebar information is as important information as engine or break information. Not mention in reviews!!!
@Jon-zj2nj2 жыл бұрын
Why do you think that “reliability and warranty” favour the Kawasaki”?
@Zimmermann3102 жыл бұрын
@@Jon-zj2nj I think also like H S, the Kawa is mor reliable. This japanese engine runs 100 000 kilometers with no problem at all.
@Jon-zj2nj2 жыл бұрын
@@Zimmermann310 100,000 km is certainly a good starting point. Here is a 2018 Bonneville with 100,000 miles / 160,000 km…. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGq1lmCfbNmIgZI
@johnsumser97433 жыл бұрын
The Kawasaki dealer in my town is across the street from the Triumph shop and they had a Z900RS on the floor when I was looking at the Speed Twin. The Kawasaki was also massively reduced in price and had a great aftermarket exhaust system fitted. Visually, it looks good except for the cheap-looking radiator cap sticking out the side, and it was about $2500 less than the Triumph. So, I bought the Triumph. I bought the Triumph because Japanese dealerships in California do not allow test rides.
@DeeDee-go2zt2 жыл бұрын
Could have hired one for that $2.5k
@need100k2 жыл бұрын
I've ridden enough bikes that I can make a decision based on a few KZbin videos of the bikes being ridden. I hope you're happy with your choice, but what a lousy excuse.
@deathtomorons93882 жыл бұрын
Big L The Triumph looks ugly in my opinion
@LaminarSound Жыл бұрын
Id never buy a car or bike without being able to drive/ride it first. That's insane.
@dasboot94717 ай бұрын
The low end grunt and massive midrange on the Kawasaki are often understated, it makes more torque than most open class liter/superbikes at a much lower RPM and there are no flat spots anywhere, it pulls like a freight train to redline. I came off of a 2009 R1 and honestly am astonished by this Kawasaki, suspension is also fully adjustable which is huge. I have tweaked mine to perfection and it doesn’t need any aftermarket bits to be superb.
@gm16v1493 жыл бұрын
I’ve owned my Z900RS Jaffa (best colour) for over three years now but I’ve had a test ride on the Triumph Speed Twin. Personally I was happy to get back on my Kwacka. One thing though, why couldn’t they have had the 360° degree crank like on the old Meriden twins with their snarling sound? With a balancer it would work I’m sure. I think the fake V-twin sound has been done to death to be honest. By the way, the original Meriden Speed Twin was a 500cc, I once owned the sportier version, a T100A back in the 1960s.
@brookcampbell29403 жыл бұрын
I had the very same dilemma last year. What did I do? I purchased a 2021 Thruxton RS Gloss Black and a 2003 used Kawasaki ZRX 1200R Candy Lime Green. All boxes checked!
@johnbentall51053 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the test ride on both machines. I think that within the first 2 miles you will know which one is "talking" to you. If you are truthful to yourself about the the sort of riding you will be doing and the people you will be doing it with, the decision will be easy. I went with a (used) Triumph T120.
@jasonepley96503 жыл бұрын
I own a 2018 Z900rs. I absolutely love this bike. It’s the perfect road bike. Perfect blend of nostalgia/ heritage & modern goodness. This one is a keeper.
@coastalhillbilly34193 жыл бұрын
Nothing like the old GPZs I started on over 35 years ago, these new Kawasaki Z900RS/KZ948s 😉are smooth as a sewing machine in the lower RPMs and growl like old school KZ 1000 in the higher RPMs, they handle and brake way better as well and have ABS and traction control that work seamlessly
@YallaMiami3 жыл бұрын
You always on point with the things you share. I own a 2020 speed twin and I absolutely love riding it, I also was thinking of getting the Z900RS 2022 Candy Tone Blue color.
@paulbarnes61242 жыл бұрын
Just brought the 22 candy blue one today in Brisbane Australia 👍👍
@2Sticks3 жыл бұрын
I’ve tested and enjoyed both and the Speed Twin just feels more fun and a lot lighter to flick side to side. I didn’t buy either but went with a BMW R1250R, which smokes both across all measures as it should given the price difference. I went to the BMW dealer to try an R9T by the way but the versatility of the R1250R won me over.
@warrenventer3 жыл бұрын
I get the same feeling with the r1250r, never ridden it but ,I think next summer i will get the bm , what screenmust i add for wind protection please
@2Sticks3 жыл бұрын
@@warrenventer I have the OEM flyscreen, which works well for me on the highway. It gives a narrow strip of protection if you stay directly behind it, which is fine for the highway.
@xclent1975 Жыл бұрын
The z900rs is a more attractive bike than the r1250r imo any one over 90hp will give you enough thrill unless it ways 700 lbs like a Harley
@pbofan Жыл бұрын
I also have a ‘20 R1250R but am thinking of getting a sporty retro-style bike to join it in the garage (also have a sportbike). Considering the Z900RS and the Speed Twin. The Kawasaki Z900RS seems to me perhaps just too similar in basic look (big naked roadster) and stance to the R1250R, though. At 6’1” I’m concerned that the Speed Twin could be a bit too small. The T120 is probably underpowered for my taste. Been mulling this over for months and still no closer to a decision.😕
@mathieuconstantin33563 жыл бұрын
Finally… I was waiting for that for so long, thanks for doing that
@noviomagus58523 жыл бұрын
Based on looks alone these two are on the top of my shortlist for my next bike. Looking forward to testing them both next year
@BikerTorque3 жыл бұрын
Love the speed twin, but got to say it would be the Kwaka for me, that thing is one awesome bike, just need to hide that radiator somewhere.
@alelectric27673 жыл бұрын
Love the look of the Speed Twin. Have to ride them to see which one of I was buying.
@ErgonBill3 жыл бұрын
I was posed the same question in 1976. I opted for the T140v, my neighbour bought the Z900. I belted him on the twisties.
@jbgtly49302 жыл бұрын
@@kawasakizrx1164 Yea some guys ride like there are cash a prizes waiting for them if they outrun a faster bike. Got a buddy like that. Unfortunately he is usually to injured to ride.
@keithsada13802 жыл бұрын
I have a Z900RS Cafe and I absolutely love it. I never have cared much for parallel twins. They just seem to vibrate too much. But maybe that's not the case with the Speed Twin as I've never ridden one. I really like my HD Softail but it has a counterbalanced motor so it doesn't vibrate much. Tons of low-end torque with a 1750cc motor. I love having both bikes cuz they are complete opposites. I really love the smoothness of the inline 4 on the Kawi. It brings back memories of my youth since I haven't ridden and inline-four since the 80s. And I love the way Kawasaki went with a 4 into 1 exhaust. Back in the day everyone took their four into four exhaust off their Kawis and replaced them with Kerker 4 into 1's. Much cleaner look and better sound. I have no troubles with mine around town. Especially on a hot day since it's liquid-cooled.
@NudaMan3 жыл бұрын
I rode a 2018 Speed Twin and it was a very nice bike (especially the sound😍) but the ride by wire throttle was a too twitchy for me like the Yamaha Mt10, but overall the speed twin for me because of that crazy torque
@jasonbarton71893 жыл бұрын
It’s about time someone compared these obvious competitor. Thanks for the great video, mate!
@waynejames11783 жыл бұрын
Just out of interest,what replaced it?
@jasonbarton71893 жыл бұрын
@@waynejames1178 I’m not sure I understand the question.
@waynejames11783 жыл бұрын
@@jasonbarton7189 I'm not surprised , my comment was meant for someone else. Apologies for the confusion.
@jasonbarton71893 жыл бұрын
@@waynejames1178 no worries!
@enut233 жыл бұрын
I've owned 3 Triumphs including a Speed Triple, a thunderbird sport, and a thruxton. My first bike ever was a Kawi zx636r, but hadn't owned an inline 4 since 2009. I test rode both of these reviewed bikes. For whatever reason, I felt less connected with the Speed Twin than on the z900rs (cafe). The Kawi is so easily managed that I find I'm able to focus on my lines more than I ever have before. That said, the Triumphs 1200 engine is fantastic. Personally I preferred the thruxton 1200 to the speed twin, but if you're avoiding clip-ons then that rules that out.
@ThatBobGuy8502 жыл бұрын
Discovering this channel comes at a very opportune time for me. I grew up on Japanese bikes - Z-1's mainly (two of which still reside in the garage in desperate need of restoration). But in the 1990's I made the Big Shift over to the Harley Davidson Sportster. I'm on my fourth (although there was a brief, unsatisfactory flirtation with a Dyna Street Bob). But I've come to a point where I'm finally going to ditch the Sportster. That decisive day came the first time I saw a Triumph Street Twin. God, I love that bike! I just wish it came with spoke wheels. If one did, it would already be in the garage. So the Speed Twin was going to be the weapon of choice... And then Kawasaki came out with the Z900RS. Dammit! Now I can't decide which one I want. I've got a certain level of brand-loyalty to Kawasaki...but I do love the new Triumphs. Decisions, decisions... This video, as much as I appreciate it, isn't making the choice any easier.
@tristansavery50232 жыл бұрын
These two bikes need to be compared again! I vote. another, more detailed longer video on these to head to head. I’ve ridden both and am still seriously struggling with what to buy.
@MicheleSpiriticchio3 жыл бұрын
Every time is a happy trip. I have both, Speedy and Kawa. Kawa is for longer trips, Triumph is a bull. Speed Twin is a direct motor between legs Z900 rs 4 cylinders...smooth...but aggressive too So, i have both sides 😉😉
@valentinafiorini53242 ай бұрын
Hi. Can you tell me a bit about heat coming from the engines and long-trip's vibrations on both?
@pulseride2 ай бұрын
A twin cylinder engine must only be compared to a twin itself. Z900RS can't be compared to it. But, I am shocked to see comments in the favor of Triumph. It really makes excellent bikes. Even Z900 owners praise the refinement of Street 765 RS and it can cope-up well with 1000cc bikes 🔥💯
@BigMoeFo3 жыл бұрын
I think the finish on the Triumph is much nicer. Though I love the look of the Z900RS
@Implude2 жыл бұрын
I've got a 2018 Z900RS in candytone brown and I love it to bits!
@thebigempty_57922 жыл бұрын
Not much can compare soundwise to a Bonneville T120 with the Motone X pipe and either Predator Pro or Remus slip ons- absolutely perfect grunt and boy does it turn heads!!
@1MrBryn3 жыл бұрын
I would genuinely have either one in a heartbeat. The only thing I'd want added is an up and down quick shifter. One of those modern features I absolutely adore
@TOPSK20153 жыл бұрын
Same thoughts here. Will wait for the version of Speed Twin with quickshifter and blipper.
@wokeybrokey8006 Жыл бұрын
Picked up my z900RS in May, and love it. I have a TLS1000 and a ZX9R C2, all different characters but the Z900RS is perfect all rounder
@mikem5973 жыл бұрын
The actual comparison I was looking at. Well done. Thanks
@lapinobel3 жыл бұрын
Had a Z900RS, sold it and still regret it. Was an amazing bike.
@waynejames11783 жыл бұрын
What bike did you have to replace it?
@lapinobel3 жыл бұрын
@@waynejames1178 Long story... bought a Triumph Bobber but didn't like it (hard suspension), then got myself a Harley Low Rider S... great bike, but very uncomfortabel riding position so finally decided to look for something that combines comfort and sportiness, and got a BMW R1250R. Beast of a bike, but I still miss the look and the smoothness of the RS.
@waynejames11783 жыл бұрын
@@lapinobel That's interesting, I bought the r9t but the sound of the speed twin is drawing me in .
@cubax5993 жыл бұрын
The Speed twin might be meaty but believe me the Kwak doesn`t lack anything in town. I`ve ridden it (in Bristol) and it is very willing from low down, has a very nippy feel to it, reminiscent of the old 675 triples aka a Very Good Thing :) A slightly less than perfect on/off throttle was what turned me away from the otherwise gorgeous and useful Zed.
@dumdumbrown4225 Жыл бұрын
The only factor on the Triumph’s side is that it’s a Triumph - and besides, parallel twins are just oversized vibrators 😂 All the numbers are for nought although the Kawi wins anyway. The Kawi is a world apart in terms of build quality, ride quality, the brilliant torque curve, a delicious motor, motorcycle character, performance, reliability, heritage, loveability, the ferocious growl of its happily under-tuned inline four and plain ol’fun-to-ride. Z900 wins hands down!
@paulharrison81553 жыл бұрын
Speed Twin all day long 😍
@walidhendrix74953 жыл бұрын
Guzzi v7 my friend . Worth every penny
@1MrBryn3 жыл бұрын
Also, I'd like to see the RNineT entered into this discussion. We're truly spoiled for choice.
@jamesclarkson30093 жыл бұрын
Agreed. The r nine t is the one I'm considering.
@chrisredfield32403 жыл бұрын
The r9-t has the punchy power of a twin and the horsepower of the z900rs
@jamesclarkson30093 жыл бұрын
@@chrisredfield3240 yes it's a very torquey engine and also the shaft drive appeals to me.
@chrisredfield32403 жыл бұрын
@@jamesclarkson3009 i really like the boxer engine now. People moan it sticks out at the sides, but after boots and legs it's probably less than an inch. You can get some nice covers and if it falls over it doesn't go right down.
@jamesclarkson30093 жыл бұрын
@@chrisredfield3240 I actually like the look of the boxer engine but yeah does split opinions. It also still has a really good lean angle. I wouldn't want to put engine covers on but totally get why people do.
@fredthebarber3 жыл бұрын
I have a Z900 RS Cafe, and I love it!
@debenhamdave43143 жыл бұрын
Love the look of both these bikes, would be a tough choice to choose my favourite. Just buying an older Monster 1000ie to get my retro kicks, Cheers Motobob
@larryharry7221 Жыл бұрын
The cooling fins aren't fake. They do provide some cooling.
@jltrack3 жыл бұрын
I’d take the z900rs. I’m taller and own a 74 CB550 which still runs like a peach. Kawasaki quality is just higher than Triumph. And in-line 4’s are nicer to ride longer distance
@humandroid533 жыл бұрын
Is it? The fit and finish on the Triumph looks top.
@maximus94013 жыл бұрын
the quality is absolutely not higher on the Kawi than the Triumph my friend. Don't know how you arrived at that conclusion. I've been on both, and own one of them. Ask me how I know
@pauldark30442 жыл бұрын
The Triumph looks well built and the Z900RS has some cheap plastic parts on it, but reliability the Kawasaki is among the best and not forget how good it looks
@abhidhoundiyal2 жыл бұрын
Both of em are my dream bikes, i really like the design of both
@TheProperMinimalist3 жыл бұрын
Great comparison 👍🏻 No contest for me: Speed Twin all day. WAY more character. And way more unique.
@johnridesadv25123 жыл бұрын
I have a tricked out Z900RS Cafe and also a tricked out XSR900. Both are awesome bikes, but in the end I prefer the Yamaha ever so slightly compared to the Kawi. That Yamaha triple is just such a great engine. My Z900 has a Brocks exhaust, and the XSR has a Graves. They both sound phenomenal, but I give the edge again to the Yamaha. I'd love to add one of these Speed Twins to the garage because I just love the look, of the bike and I'd really like that low down torque the motor produces. I will own one of these eventually!
@markellott56203 жыл бұрын
Big Zed every time. I've had mine three years and still grin every time I get on it.
@andi-san8419 Жыл бұрын
I was about to buy the Speed Twin! Super motor, great workmanship, great optics. and then I bought a Tenere 700👌 ! Greats
@HoraceFogsworth3 жыл бұрын
I demoed both and far preferred the Triumph for it's lighter steering and instant low rev pull. I ended up buying a Tenere 700 for it's greater versatility.
@wickedleeloopy21152 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't pick the tiger 😳 having riden a triumph
@HoraceFogsworth2 жыл бұрын
@@wickedleeloopy2115 I fully intended to try a Tiger 900 but when I went back to my local Triumph dealer the staff seemed far more interested in being all pally with their existing customers than attending to a potential new one. I felt very much like they saw me as a bit of a timewaster and was largely ignored.
@leemacdonald65333 жыл бұрын
2019 model speed Twin, the updated one just hasn't got that retro look
@frankmlchaelglasscock65393 жыл бұрын
A hard choice love both bikes
@grenphelps74553 жыл бұрын
Nice video 👍 I think that the speed twin has lost something since they changed over to up side down forks, for me the kawasaki Z900RS is the better bike, because I remember the first version of the legendary Z1 and so will always tug at my heartstrings...👌👌
@leviefrauim14253 жыл бұрын
Both awesome bikes but... I bought a Z900RS. Got a deal I couldn't say 'no' to. Very happy w/the bike.
@volt86843 жыл бұрын
In 1977 I went from suzuki T250hustler to Triumph T140 bonneville what a shit decision. Jap bikes were in a different league . Immediately within 3 weeks p/ex triumph for Cb750. Now looking at these retros they not dissimilar to 70s bikes. But the memories would make me buy the kwacker. Been on a speed twin and its nice but for the sound/engineering etc etc it would be the kwacker for me. People i know ride triumphs all seem to have electrical issues. Soz but the imprint from the 70’s is still there. Tried Bmw’s too but. Jap bikes are the best for me as a privateer self maintaining bike. Had 20 plus bikes over the years. If I was a designer, I would build twin, air cooled, shaft drive do it all bike. No coolant, no chain, big torque = riding pleasure. Only my opinion. Love this channel,, quality
@kignacio3 жыл бұрын
765 Triple (non T plane) inside of the current gen Speed Twin, with previous gen 9 spokers and swap silly side/carb covers for simple T100 style ones and that’s the winner for me.
@PD-cm6jp3 жыл бұрын
Thank youuuu, this is the review I have been looking for.
@farleymusclewhite411 Жыл бұрын
Love these pipe-dream comparisons. In the end though, I'll probably just keep my 1972 Triumph 650 5-speed that I bought for $200 USD in 2020. Does everything I want of a bike and is so simple. Doesn't need a battery, starts up on 1-4 kicks (usually), no stinking computers to fail and a total blast to flick around in traffic (387 Lbs.-175KG). I've sat on the new Triumphs at the dealer and it feels like riding a large farm animal. No thanks to either of the above bikes.
@Motoexplorer300L3 жыл бұрын
Good comparaison. Both bikes are good options for someone looking for a nice looking retro bike with performance. However, the twin with that down low torque just makes more sense for any riding outside of a track day.
@TheGreatestBeyonder3 жыл бұрын
Great short vid! Thanks Bob 👍🏻
@splodge57143 жыл бұрын
For me the Triumph is so much better in every way. Finish, quality, styling, engine and value for money. Yes I prefer the lower revving twin cylinder.
@Hsp443 жыл бұрын
Yeah and the sound is amazing not annoying like the il4
@Naps562 жыл бұрын
I've ridden bikes (and cars) from brands of almost every country(except Russia and China). And since I've never been a journalist, I had to buy each one of them. And when it comes to engineering quality and reliability, Made in Japan (,or made by Japanese) wins hands down.
@viperq3 жыл бұрын
Both bikes looks perfect, but I like the P2 sound of the Speed Twin more.
@bonwana22752 жыл бұрын
Good honest comparison
@tedunguent1562 жыл бұрын
I would say most riders would probably choose the bike from the dealership closest to them. They are so similar and both are great looking, fun bikes.
@ThePalmatron3 жыл бұрын
Kawa for me....Beautiful bikes both....
@kenet712 жыл бұрын
I would prefer reliability. The Kawasaki is for me 🏍️👍
@marvinm84462 жыл бұрын
Kawasaki Z900RS & Triumph Speed are very cool and I love it so much 🚀😍
@marcbranchaud44083 жыл бұрын
I have owned both and much prefer the Z900RS over the Triumph. More comfortable to ride, fit finish and reliably much better on Kawasaki. Cheers from Canada
@karlosh24223 жыл бұрын
I still love my 2019 Speed Twin. I really need to get a ride on a Z900RS. When I've been on a four cylinder Honda CB1000R, yes lots of top end, but the engine had to be wound up to get it going. I'm guessing the Z900RS will be similar. In which case I'd prefer the twin, or really a triple :-D Triumph , please please PLEASE make a Speed Twin look-a-like , with a 1000 cc or more triple engine (and QS option). Doesn't need the 180 BHP of the 1160cc triple. 130BHP would be more than enough, for me at least ! (I have told them this in the surveys they send me !)
@trekkydelirium-vroom58213 жыл бұрын
I love my Triumph Tiger 900 GT & i will keep it. I love my Tiger. But, if i have no choice to chose between the Z900RS & the SpeedTwin, i would definitely buy the Kawasaki. All reviews about the Z900RS are very good. It’s no my kind of bike, but it’s a fantastic bike.
@ThomasHope732 жыл бұрын
The one thing that puts me off the Triumph is it’s so small; being over 6ft tall l feel I’d look silly on it. The Kawasaki’s better performance on motorways makes it even more compelling.
@1990-t1j3 жыл бұрын
Not really directly comparable. One is a twin, the other a four. I'd go with the Speed Twin. All that torque so low down.
@xclent1975 Жыл бұрын
Z900rs if you haven’t ridden one you owe it to yourself it’s a rocket with plenty of torque unlike any inline 4 I’ve ridden
@1990-t1j Жыл бұрын
@@xclent1975 Thanks.
@gigi9467 Жыл бұрын
I say it is because price is very close.
@surferdude6422 жыл бұрын
The z900rs looks better imo, but the Speed Twin feels physically small for such a big engine bike and thus fits me better. So for me, the nod goes to the Triumph, notwithstanding the smaller gas tank.
@primarqo9 ай бұрын
Exactly about these motorbikes I'm thinking about for next year +XSR 900 ofc.
@Alecomp3 жыл бұрын
Both bikes are great. There were 4 bikes in my list- z900rs. xsr900, Speed Twin and R9T. First bike i saw was kawa when i understood that i want a retro looking bike with a nice rumble sound. Then i started my research. Kawa is 4 stroke- actually it is a modern sport bike engine with its sound- no. XSR900 is 3 cylinder. Liked the look ans specs, but when i took a closer look the quality and fit and finish were rather poor. All these cables and cheap plastic...no. So 2 bikes left. Fit and finish, quality of the details on high level, good meterials, no cheap plastic. I liked both, think R9T even more because it looks very solid and rear 180 tyre makes it even better. And here comes the winter sales from Triumph =) Although i liked the R9t a bit more- it is a great quality built bike, considering price Triumph was a better choice for me. Anyway all these bikes are great. Retro never looks old!
@oseh4383 жыл бұрын
Yoooo Fowler’s!!! I go to this place all the time and I love it there
@JasonTongConsultancy89810 ай бұрын
Always love your reviews, natural review voice if that's a thing? I test rode Speed Twin and loved it. Something about Triumphs and such a quality retro finish thats addictive. Then entered the z900rs that messed with my head. In my opinion though the ST sounds good IMO the RS sounded better, especially with the induction noise as it wound up. Rs has such a comfy seat. I kind of want both. Ended up getting Z900RS with no regrets. Would also like to get a t120 or speedmaster one day as well. Either way both bikes won't disappoint.
@juliojames59862 жыл бұрын
Twin cylinder lower revs fo me, however love the Kawasaki bikes, excellent machines. 😎
@LooxJJ2 жыл бұрын
Both are fantastic bikes. Kawi is reliable, practical, light, and very responsive. Triumph is beautiful, and sounds awesome. Get what fits you the best - either bike you will enjoy and love.