What is WPC Treatment and Why Do We Use It On Our Engine Builds?

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Wonder why we use this mysterious WPC Treatment on so many of our engine builds? Let us explain what WPC is and how it works. It's an inexpensive dose of prevention that can also double the life of your engine!
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@spjmrlahey4008
@spjmrlahey4008 4 жыл бұрын
Mike always looks like he's about to drop the punchline of a dad joke. I could listen to him talk shop all day.
@crusTodd
@crusTodd 3 жыл бұрын
He seems like a sincere, good guy to do business with
@natesartin2708
@natesartin2708 3 жыл бұрын
Yes lol
@tomop5603
@tomop5603 2 жыл бұрын
For 125 an hour you can
@theNIproductions
@theNIproductions 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomop5603 125$ an hour? Daym that's why he is so smiley :D
@RichardPetron
@RichardPetron 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao i didn't know what you meant but this until literally the first 3 seconds of the video
@littlerhino2006
@littlerhino2006 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the enthusiasm Mr. Kojima, you really are a legend among the industry.
@thejayvodlexperience7856
@thejayvodlexperience7856 4 жыл бұрын
Damn near my whole motorcycle engine is WPC treated. This stuff is the real deal, no doubt.
@bluewanderer9903
@bluewanderer9903 3 жыл бұрын
How long do you have it like that? Any negatives?
@FirstLast-tx3yj
@FirstLast-tx3yj 3 жыл бұрын
Did you notice any difference in how smooth the engine runs and how fast it accelerates??
@thejayvodlexperience7856
@thejayvodlexperience7856 3 жыл бұрын
@@bluewanderer9903 2 solid years now, no issues
@thejayvodlexperience7856
@thejayvodlexperience7856 3 жыл бұрын
@@FirstLast-tx3yj i did a whole bunch of mods to the engine so thats probably most of the power gains but how fast it starts, i think it helps.... i did it more for longevity vs performance and thats the better way to look at it
@FirstLast-tx3yj
@FirstLast-tx3yj 3 жыл бұрын
@@thejayvodlexperience7856 did you do it yourself??
@martinfalls1023
@martinfalls1023 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mike, this solves an issue with using teflon additive in oils to reduce friction. WPC allows the rings to both improve wear resistance and not lose the slipperiness due to flame burn. Fantastic!!!
@mugen2002
@mugen2002 4 жыл бұрын
I WPC a lot of parts on my cars. Including shift knobs, shifter lever, valvetrain parts, clutch fork, clutch release bearing and clutch slave cylinder piston/cylinder.
@tortron
@tortron 4 жыл бұрын
surely you wouldnt want less friction on the shift knob lol
@FirstLast-tx3yj
@FirstLast-tx3yj 3 жыл бұрын
Do you do it yourself? Because its expensive isnt it?
@MR__JUSTIN
@MR__JUSTIN 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! You covered so many possible uses but didn't mention the fastest spinning thing in a car - a turbo! Have you tried WPC treating turbo internals for faster spool / better transient response etc?
@bluewanderer9903
@bluewanderer9903 3 жыл бұрын
Good thinking. Also, wheel bearings ...
@KXP70
@KXP70 3 жыл бұрын
@@bluewanderer9903 also, damper rods and tubes
@MrHerbs666
@MrHerbs666 2 жыл бұрын
Turbos are already set up for tolerances as low as .00005"
@accordv6er
@accordv6er Жыл бұрын
I wonder how this affects oil film /movement of oil across the surfaces. For example, would it reduce the tendency of oil to "stick"?
@Sk8n2Enjoi
@Sk8n2Enjoi Жыл бұрын
Your enthusiasm for your work and methods is contagious.
@IdEk5627
@IdEk5627 4 жыл бұрын
Now i want to build an engine and coat everything with wpc
@jamesdills6720
@jamesdills6720 4 жыл бұрын
Not a coating.. its a micro dimpling surface treatment
@IdEk5627
@IdEk5627 4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesdills6720 yea sorry that what i meant
@SavageBunny1
@SavageBunny1 4 жыл бұрын
I heard doing the cylinder walls is actually not too good, because the rings never want to break-in.
@SylasG
@SylasG 4 жыл бұрын
Martini is a wino he said in the video that it takes a couple more dyno pulls to seat the rings.
@tylerdurden9517
@tylerdurden9517 3 жыл бұрын
Hope you rich
@anangelshero0410
@anangelshero0410 9 ай бұрын
I've watched this video a few times and each time I learn something new. Today I learned DLC and WPC work together, and side-coated piston skirts with WPC is less common. I've seen DLC applications for every component of the piston, and love to see it with the WPC treatment done first. How does it, or doesn't it, affect friction, lubricity, and overall wear/performance? Great video - I'm setting a reminder to watch it again in a month.😉😎
@motoiq
@motoiq 9 ай бұрын
We found that coating doesnt stick to a WPC treated piston that well.
@alcyonegunantara7970
@alcyonegunantara7970 7 ай бұрын
​@@motoiq sir, i still had silly question, but u think effective is effective we use ceramic coating on piston crown ( for reducing heat ofc) coz, in my mind if can combo WPC + ceramic coating crown its so overkill
@zthang118
@zthang118 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know why I find his voice so soothing, even when talking about the most boring shit
@Boostedm3nace
@Boostedm3nace 2 жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite channels by far.
@SimonTrent8000
@SimonTrent8000 4 ай бұрын
Getting my buckets and my kelford cams done for my 7age 20v engine
@charlesshamseldin9555
@charlesshamseldin9555 4 жыл бұрын
I love the word 'lubricity'
@TrippyMushrooms
@TrippyMushrooms 9 ай бұрын
Im betting the mechanical friction losses come from the reduced contact surface. This coupled with the increased surface area for oil to dwell in really makes this process a marvel of engineering
@RDGarage
@RDGarage 11 ай бұрын
Ok, I thought I kinda knew what WPC was all about but now I REALLY know!! Thanks Mike!! So good to meet them irl with you last week at PRI! :)
@garagefanatic7830
@garagefanatic7830 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this video as I'll likely be using WPC on my next built VQ37VHR. Keep it up with the great content and insight!
@samuraijack3843
@samuraijack3843 3 жыл бұрын
Sir, ur smile makes the topic a cherry on top of the cake..godspeed
@DP-nr1hz
@DP-nr1hz 4 жыл бұрын
WPC IS LITERALLY MY FAVOURITE THING
@PERZN4LIFE
@PERZN4LIFE 4 жыл бұрын
I WPC myself, it's that great!
@polipochilegge
@polipochilegge 3 жыл бұрын
How do you do it?
@bluewanderer9903
@bluewanderer9903 3 жыл бұрын
@@polipochilegge to find an answer to that question, use your imagination 😁
@markscott2259
@markscott2259 2 жыл бұрын
Sure would be cool to see a complete engine before & after coated, torque to turn on the engine stand. Or before & after on the dyno.
@motoiq
@motoiq 2 жыл бұрын
Its pretty expensive to do an engine back to back. We did do my daughters kart engine and it gained 0.2 hp which is pretty good on a 9 hp engine. It cut almost a second off her lap times.
@markscott2259
@markscott2259 2 жыл бұрын
@@motoiq Thanks for the reply! I understand its expensive to rebuild motors, but if a known engine is going to be rebuilt it seems it would be relatively easy to remove the spark plugs on the engine in question & do a before & after by use of a torque wrench. I have done something similar with engines before & after with synthetics. Anyways, always learning from the good videos you produce.
@calebdavies526
@calebdavies526 Жыл бұрын
​@@motoiqdid you cryo treat the kart engine as well?
@shaneswiley
@shaneswiley 4 жыл бұрын
For valve springws, does this modify the K in F=Kx? For piston rings does it modify the compliance (I'm not sure the term, but hoop strength (It's basically a spring)? I want to be really clear on this... from your experience, does the overall dimension change? I know you said in the video the tolerance does not change, but surely the nominal value would, right? Finally, please just do more videos. I love them. Best on the web for automotive tech!
@motoiq
@motoiq 4 жыл бұрын
No it does not change K or do any dimensional change down to tenths which is the best we can measure.
@Whatsth3ruckus
@Whatsth3ruckus 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing, I remember first seeing a video on WPC treatment years ago and thinking this might have huge implications for engine internals, and now I see it's been done and works. Now I really wonder if this could help make a turbo rotary more durable and powerful.
@motoiq
@motoiq 2 жыл бұрын
It works really well on rotary engines.
@Whatsth3ruckus
@Whatsth3ruckus 2 жыл бұрын
@@motoiq Oh no shit! Not too surprised, good to know, thanks!!
@sepg5084
@sepg5084 2 жыл бұрын
@@motoiq here's a video of WPC in Japan, which includes DLC. Looks like WPC is micro-shotpeening surfaces with Tungsten. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3-uk6d8esdlmsU
@thomaschung5623
@thomaschung5623 2 жыл бұрын
yea, i would figure it will work great in the housing and rotors itself
@joshstanton267
@joshstanton267 2 жыл бұрын
@@thomaschung5623 apex seals could have huge benefit from this
@AzongLee85
@AzongLee85 Жыл бұрын
Your way of explaining is very deep and thorough. Thanks for this awesome video.
@xSc0oByDo0RaCeRx
@xSc0oByDo0RaCeRx Жыл бұрын
Got a Sr20det piston and rings, crank and bearing wpc treatment 10 years ago and the motor is still going. Did wish we did the camshaft.
@SavageBunny1
@SavageBunny1 4 жыл бұрын
I WPC treated my BMW S54 crank, rod bearings and main bearings, VANOS oil pump and oil pump itself, everyone that drives my car that owns a real M3, notices that my car is a lot more responsive.
@ALW96
@ALW96 4 жыл бұрын
Very smart. Especially on the oil pump. How much did everything cost you
@SavageBunny1
@SavageBunny1 3 жыл бұрын
@@ALW96 the crank was $310, everything else added up to another $200 maybe, very cost effective.
@jt-iu3kv
@jt-iu3kv 3 жыл бұрын
@@SavageBunny1 where did you get these services done?
@mr.j.martinez
@mr.j.martinez 2 ай бұрын
​@@jt-iu3kv CTP CRYOGENICS in California
@saik0uguy
@saik0uguy 4 жыл бұрын
Wish there was a place in Australia for WPC :(
@JH-jo9wt
@JH-jo9wt 4 жыл бұрын
Japan / California Japan would be pretty cheap for an Aussie esp if u lived up north
@St0RM33
@St0RM33 4 жыл бұрын
WPC works on the driver, engine builder, body builder, tire guy, etc!
@motoiq
@motoiq 4 жыл бұрын
LOL!
@milenkogt
@milenkogt 2 жыл бұрын
You mentioned WPC treating titanium valve stems, has that eliminated any galling and cut down the wear within the guides? I really want to use the WPC on my Gen 3 hemi on the springs, valves, especially the rocker shafts. I wish more people would document the use of WPC. I've only utilized it on a VK56DE oil pump housing and gears. Would really like to try it on my triumph 675 triple engine and trans.
@bradcarpenter1881
@bradcarpenter1881 4 жыл бұрын
I want to WPC everything now!
@SoulEraser000
@SoulEraser000 3 жыл бұрын
Love listening to this guy talk
@thehappytexan
@thehappytexan 3 жыл бұрын
I’m extremely curious if this would solve the cam/lifter issues that the hemi and ls engines have. This treatment sounds like it can used to not only possibly solve those issues with cylinder deactivation engines, but also add to the efficiency of the engine as well. Taking a v8 that shuts off 4 cylinders and reducing friction by up to 50% makes low load cruising more economical, while also freeing some power and lowering temps when under full load. Hmmm.
@bennyboyy7
@bennyboyy7 Жыл бұрын
It sucks that the simpler design of ohv single cam engines are naturally going to have extra resistance. Although when you turn them by hand, ohc engines still have about the same resistance. I think that's more in part caused by the chain or belt length. Subarus being a perfect example, I'm not exactly sure what the hemis problem is but I heard it was just poor quality steel being used in combination with cheap lifters. They aren't terrible lifters but they obviously have a typical life span. I'm just guessing cause the predecessor to the hemi, the magnum engines hardly ever had lifter issues. Although I don't know how the cylinder shut down works so that could be the whole reason why but this is just my thought on it
@MrChristianbowman82
@MrChristianbowman82 4 жыл бұрын
MR Miyagi of Engines boys!
@BLoudermilk
@BLoudermilk 2 жыл бұрын
Came to your channel by way of High Performance Academy. Stoked to find another exceptional resource for a nerdy hobbyist like myself! Great content here
@motoiq
@motoiq 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@michaeljoiner2503
@michaeljoiner2503 3 жыл бұрын
I'm building my 2.0L Alfa Romeo twin-cam Nord engine. Bringing my crank, bearings, oilpump gears, pistons, rings, rods, cylinders, etc to WPC.
@thegreenpickel
@thegreenpickel 3 жыл бұрын
Don't know how I ended up here but strangely the man makes me feel happy.
@eglover92
@eglover92 4 жыл бұрын
He looks like he always about 1 second away from roasting you.
@Polemicist_
@Polemicist_ Ай бұрын
😂😂😅
@Twobarpsi
@Twobarpsi 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent advice, backed up by real world testing!
@ImJustMe555
@ImJustMe555 4 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on WPC treating oil pump internals?
@joseacuna3239
@joseacuna3239 4 жыл бұрын
He already did a video on an Honda k series and he wpc the internals for less friction and less heat.
@motoiq
@motoiq 4 жыл бұрын
@@joseacuna3239 and to help reduce the chance that the gears might break.
@watchere
@watchere 3 жыл бұрын
real question always is how much does it cost? And if WPC makes the friction lower, wouldn't putting it on clutch packs just cause it to slip more and engage less?
@SavageBunny1
@SavageBunny1 3 жыл бұрын
For an inline 6 crankshaft is $310, for each shell of the rod bearing or crank its $12, each cylinder bore is $100, very reasonable prices, Also it increased lubricity which in hand is good for clutch packs, that's why they have friction modifiers for the oil.
@dinukap4
@dinukap4 3 жыл бұрын
100$ a cylinder? Geez
@HaloWolf102
@HaloWolf102 2 жыл бұрын
@@SavageBunny1 Only $310? That is nothing compared to repairing or replacing an entire engine. That little money to double my engine life is pennies.
@stevemcrichards8768
@stevemcrichards8768 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting surface substrate refinishing methodologies. I like it.
@kevinwest3689
@kevinwest3689 6 ай бұрын
I'm sold, I almost wished.I hadn't seen this video. I have 2 wheelbarrows worth of stuff i would like to send. Lol I have. Extravagant taste for a poor boy. My LS build is going to miss out. But I will most definitely Be sending my Clutch plates For my open primary shovelhead in the Future. Hum? Axles, lifters, Litter blocks, push rods, springs, rockers,piston. OK Everything but the seat, foot pegs, and handlebars 😏
@eliasmelendez1271
@eliasmelendez1271 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!! Now I gotta rip apart my f20b to do all of this lol but seriously thank you I'm definitely doing this to my f20b and my ys1 Gs-R transmission.
@boostdr33
@boostdr33 3 жыл бұрын
Change in surface hardness aside. These tests all look impressive however I wonder how different these tests would perform when oil is introduced as in actual operating conditions.
@tomaskusnir2374
@tomaskusnir2374 3 жыл бұрын
I think the main benefit of this treatment is when oil is not present, or atleast not enough of it to avoid some friction. It looks like creates microstructure finish that retains a coating of oil that surfaces glide on.
@joemanthei3251
@joemanthei3251 2 жыл бұрын
That’s what I’m thinking, a lot of these rotating assembly parts have a thin film of oil between the contact. Lol I’m sure this helps A little but depending on how expensive it is, is it worth it? Who knows
@FiteTheGoodFight
@FiteTheGoodFight 3 жыл бұрын
Would this treatment improve the efficiency of positive displacement supercharger rotors?
@trevorcannavo
@trevorcannavo 2 жыл бұрын
I have heard that (proper) Cryo treatment combined with WPC treatment can even further extend the durability of any stressed prone parts. Unfortunately most of those claims have come from vendors so I would love to hear what your personal experience has found on the matter. So, what do you think of cry treatment?(with or without WPC)
@motoiq
@motoiq 2 жыл бұрын
We find that the biggest increases are in wear resistance. Usually at least 50% better. Cryo helps abrasion resistance to some degree and helps in fatigue strength by at least 50%. It's not going to make crappy metal or an underdesigned part amazing but it will make it last 2x longer before it breaks.
@josh9847
@josh9847 4 жыл бұрын
Seems crazy that you could make a surface more dense through shot peening, without effecting the tolerances at all. Do you think that is down to the dry lubricant being left impregnated in the surface of the parts? I guess it could also be that the surface change is so small it doesn’t effect clearances 🤔 either way seems like a great service! Shame it’s doesn’t appear to be available across the pond.
@SylasG
@SylasG 4 жыл бұрын
WPC has less effect on surface dimensions than shot peen.
@iancooll12
@iancooll12 2 жыл бұрын
@@SylasG I find WPC coatings excellent, I lighten by grinding all my parts on my Norton race engines, just plain shot peening by a knowledgable source can strengthen an undisturbed steel conrod by up to 20%. The key is "a knowledgable source" I use a company that peens the root radius of Bell helicopter variable pitch Blades. I wpc my aluminum parts and Babbit shells minimum excellent. This was F1 Tech only.
@MilushevGeorgi
@MilushevGeorgi 9 ай бұрын
Don’t wpc you disk brakes, great video
@alirezaeskandari2287
@alirezaeskandari2287 3 жыл бұрын
His smile makes me smile
@Thumper68
@Thumper68 3 жыл бұрын
The pebble surface makes since that things spin longer on top of it compared to glass smooth surface since it’s less area of contact which would reduce overall friction.
@sgtlazar
@sgtlazar 4 жыл бұрын
I was building a motor for my Mazdaspeed 6 and had the Pistons, rings, and bearings WPC. I sold the build before I got to finish it. My question is, have you had similar builds that you have had one with several components WPC treated, and the other without any WPC and could quantify any performance increase? Like has the WPC one had higher output due to the reduction in friction?
@motoiq
@motoiq 4 жыл бұрын
On a car, it is super expensive to do an A to B test on WPC only but I have done it on a go-kart engine, on my daughter 50cc two-stroke Kart, it gave .2 more hp on a 3 hp motor and took a second of her lap time on a 1.03-second track. When she moved to 100cc karts it gained .3 hp on a 9 hp engine and gave her just under a second improvement on a 37 second a lap track. These are spec motors but the WPC isn't detectable and pass tech. For cars, the engine life is greatly increased, that's for sure. Also when a new engine is being turned by hand while being assembled, the friction is way less and the engine spins a lot easier.
@sgtlazar
@sgtlazar 4 жыл бұрын
@@motoiq wow! That's awesome. Thank you for the reply!
@nii-san5485
@nii-san5485 Жыл бұрын
this should be done on all cylinder walls and piston rings from factory, probably increases efficiency
@stompinmcallister1312
@stompinmcallister1312 10 ай бұрын
Followers used was different from one another so I say not a valid test take two brand new ones then do it . Or if you want to stick with used ones use the same one . There is a cone built to the top surface and one was warn so it was flat would not spin as good. Other one still had the cone shape on the bottom that helps it spin .
@adandredestefano
@adandredestefano 2 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if the WPC treatment would be good for the friction surfaces in an AR-15. Maybe even a muzzle treatment to increase velocity and consistency. I already know that you can get a DLC bolt carrier group for them. I'm wondering if the combination of the tube would go really good into increasing reliability and velocity / accuracy.
@motoiq
@motoiq 2 жыл бұрын
If it is a phosphated bolt yes for sure. Haven't tried it on nitrided, or chrome yet.
@adandredestefano
@adandredestefano 2 жыл бұрын
@@motoiq Excellent! I'm wondering if the process would be able to be done inside the bore of a barrel. I understand the concept of how it works but I don't know much about the process. I don't know if you could get the equipment inside such a small hole or how it would affect the rifling. I know a lot of people including myself run stainless barrels in their precision competition guns. That could be a game changer if it's possible. By the way, thank you for your response. I really appreciate it and did not expect it.
@motoiq
@motoiq 2 жыл бұрын
its hard to get the medium to hit at the right angles inside the bore. I tried it on a glock with a stainless barrel and it only got the ramp and chamber. That gun is easy to clean! From what I understand, some military units use the process on their SAW's due to a friend of mine that does special stuff, he says the cyclic rate and reliability go way up, especially on the M249spw
@adandredestefano
@adandredestefano 2 жыл бұрын
@@motoiq I had a feeling that might be the case. Maybe as time and technology progress the ability to perform a treatment inside the bore may become a possibility at some point. Regardless, it's an excellent technology that should get more applications than it does.
@erikwahlstrom7826
@erikwahlstrom7826 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, can you do a video of WPC vs. Teflon coating? Thanks.
@batman607
@batman607 2 жыл бұрын
Man, You the man, Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I’ve always been a piston head 😵‍💫. I’m just starting with (Old School SBC racer😵‍💫) LS engines 1 LSA and just finished a LS 9. One question if you don’t mind. What is the red coating that GM puts on the bearings? The bearings I took out of both engines look brand new .
@motoiq
@motoiq 2 жыл бұрын
It's an anti scuff coating for initial startup.
@batman607
@batman607 2 жыл бұрын
@@motoiq must be good stuff the lsa had 16,000 miles on it and the bearings and the crank looked brand new. Thank you for the response. Batman 😎
@jacksonedward7245
@jacksonedward7245 Жыл бұрын
Another great vid! Would this treatment be overkill for a street engine?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
We like it especially for daily drivers that do a lot of miles.
@sk33t3r33
@sk33t3r33 Жыл бұрын
I’d like to see you build two identical short blocks - one with WPC and one without WPC treatment. Then turn the crank and measure the resistance.
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
if you pay for it we will gladly do it and any other tests you can pay for!
@JuanBrolo
@JuanBrolo 3 жыл бұрын
I wish I could have my Audi engine. Built by you guys it would be amazing
@J_rostro
@J_rostro 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your knowledge sir 🙏🏽
@dannoyes4493
@dannoyes4493 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for this.
@jonnymocksville4149
@jonnymocksville4149 3 жыл бұрын
This is like an as seen on TV add, but actually works. And no, they won't double your order for free.
@ryandeweese363
@ryandeweese363 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome demonstration of how well the wpc coating works!! Top notch for sure!! Hey just out of curiousity... You need a shop hand by any chance lol?
@danzburg
@danzburg 3 жыл бұрын
So much good info
@f430ferrari5
@f430ferrari5 3 жыл бұрын
I noticed I’m smiling while watching Mike. 😅😂 I guess it’s kind of like yawning. 😂
@lacoolhand1017
@lacoolhand1017 3 жыл бұрын
Super cool 😎. I remember watching a video on dlc coated pistons I wonder how a fully dlc coated piston plus full wpc coated piston would do?
@motoiq
@motoiq 3 жыл бұрын
DLC and WPC work well together actually.
@DanielOrtegoUSA
@DanielOrtegoUSA 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to know that he's an authorized dealer for this product/service. I'm making arrangements to replace my LS3 with a Dart LS 7.0, and I may choose MotoIQ for the build. Unfortunately, my preferred builder would probably tell me this stuff isn't necessary. I'm sure many of us know that engine builders are set in their ways and do not like to deviate from what they normally do.
@motoiq
@motoiq 3 жыл бұрын
It isnt necessary but it helps for lower friction and longer life, the customer has to decide if they want this.
@Bavarian_M
@Bavarian_M 3 жыл бұрын
Great content!!! Thank you so much
@Sympatiko85
@Sympatiko85 2 жыл бұрын
i went back to review this video as im planning my next build. we had my cousins crank shaft nitrated! would WPC be better for our next build? M271😁
@motoiq
@motoiq 2 жыл бұрын
you can WPC a nitrided surface, we do it all the time.
@shredder8910
@shredder8910 2 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on cryogenic treatment, and which engine parts to treat? I know it's good, but I'm not sure exactly what parts to do, and exactly why
@motoiq
@motoiq 2 жыл бұрын
thats coming soon, we shot it just in post.
@vevenaneathna
@vevenaneathna Жыл бұрын
hmm if you get more strength then i would think the important parts could be made a lot lighter with less material. that rod pin is a good example. maybe a good idea to make it smaller if its so strong already. I wonder with the new things coming out like with porsche trying to 3d print pistons, combine the additive minimal design/hollow pistons with a wpc process, and see how light the inertia sensitive parts of an engine could get down to. would like to see higher revs even in commuter econo box cars with variable valve timing. im sure GM will still find a way to engineer things to break 1000 miles after warenty lol
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
your car first
@GP-fc7jv
@GP-fc7jv 2 жыл бұрын
Wow great information
@danielfietkau733
@danielfietkau733 Жыл бұрын
Great, WPC also stands for Wood-Polymer-Composites. What does WPC mean in metal treatment? I try to find a service like that in Germany.
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Something weird in japlish.
@danielfietkau733
@danielfietkau733 Жыл бұрын
@@motoiq noted 😄
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
I finally found it, it stands for Wonder Process Craft. www.fujimfg.co.jp/english/wpc.html toyoseiko.co.jp/en/product/wpc/
@danielfietkau733
@danielfietkau733 Жыл бұрын
@@motoiq My apologies. I really thought you were joking and just didn't want to tell me😆 Thank you a lot
@ivogiev
@ivogiev 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid, thank you. Maybe a stupid question, but didn't see it commented below, nor in the vid. Is this WPC suitable for brake rotors? Obviously reduced friction is a bad idea there, but if this could be overcome with longer bed in process similar to piston rings, maybe after that is not a bad thing to have for increased rotor life?
@motoiq
@motoiq 2 жыл бұрын
No, but cryo treating helps.
@404nobrakes
@404nobrakes Жыл бұрын
since WPC only affects the surface, and rotor wear is measured in mm, not microns, it'd probably go away pretty quickly. You'd probably get a bit more rotor life (see Porsche's Tungsten carbide coated rotors) with soft street pads, but I imagine that with metallic race pads, you'd immediately annihilate the surface, and have trouble bedding in the pads.
@dylanbourget9398
@dylanbourget9398 Жыл бұрын
Crazy process. Does a fully pwc engine make more power?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
It has less friction so less power wasted.
@DBravo29er
@DBravo29er 4 жыл бұрын
How do thread locking agents react to it?
@motoiq
@motoiq 4 жыл бұрын
Not affected
@stevehammel2939
@stevehammel2939 2 жыл бұрын
Does WPC help on wet clutches for drag racing?
@C-M-E
@C-M-E Жыл бұрын
What does WPC recommend for surface prep? Depending on that, I could tell you what's in it. If it's heat vs acid etch for instance; moly is an acid etch if memory serves, and if there's a heat chaser, ptfe or graphite is involved. All of those are friction modifiers, though moly has that dull silvery grey surface appearance.
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Whatever the final surface finish for the end use is.
@C-M-E
@C-M-E Жыл бұрын
@@motoiq Interesting. I misunderstood and thought this was like a send-out service, but if I understand correctly now, this is like a product that is forcefully applied like a reverse sandblast or kind of like an anodizing treatment (in terms of surface transfer) of sorts? Initially I had in my mind that is was being done as an industrial hot tank process where the product was surface bonding chemically.
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
It's impingement with super small ceramic spheres and dry film lubricant.
@C-M-E
@C-M-E Жыл бұрын
@@motoiq I very much appreciate your having expanded my wheelhouse to the product. I'm occasionally guilty of getting to that point where you try a lot of things but stick with what you know works or make one yourself. Outside of nitriding which isn't really what I'd consider long-term durable on hard-wearing surfaces but better than nothing, Cerakoting or products like it were something I'd turn to on occasion if it wasn't like a bearing or journal surface. More often than not, I'm more concerned (in my field anyway) about thermal protection than metal-to-metal contact and fell back on oil additives for the heavy lifting with asperations to finding something better one day. 😉
@donaldspeck9212
@donaldspeck9212 2 жыл бұрын
Who, where and cost?
@crackbrainedrunner6791
@crackbrainedrunner6791 3 жыл бұрын
How would this affect the ports of a cylinder head where a rougher surface performs better than a smooth polished one?
@RBAERO
@RBAERO 3 жыл бұрын
It's like shooting penning?
@oyurcha1
@oyurcha1 4 жыл бұрын
Usually you guys are on point, but in this one you missed the underlying metallurgical principles making this work. In short, key words are: Grain boundaries/defects and their migration due to introduction of kinetic energy via (in this case) wpc.
@oyurcha1
@oyurcha1 4 жыл бұрын
The amount of engine building and motorsport experience that you have is insane though! :) I'm so jealous!
@motoiq
@motoiq 4 жыл бұрын
@@oyurcha1 We talked about it in layman's terms about grain refinement, compressive stress, and why it comes about, trying not to get too technical as not to lose our audience. The idea is to try and educate, not to show that you are smart.
@oyurcha1
@oyurcha1 4 жыл бұрын
MotoIQ Fair point.
@frank.l181
@frank.l181 Жыл бұрын
How about cylinder walls? I believe Honda uses a ceramic coating instead of iron sleaves.
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Some Honda engines use a cast silicone carbide matrix cast into the aluminum. WPC works on all of that.
@11Xshadowolf
@11Xshadowolf 3 жыл бұрын
I Love your Videos !
@teslafanatics2659
@teslafanatics2659 4 жыл бұрын
Hi do you make and coat parts projects? I want to try skatboard ar-berings. Thanks
@dano4572
@dano4572 2 жыл бұрын
SOLD!
@gtronin2631
@gtronin2631 3 жыл бұрын
I don't understand the benefit to WPC treatment on clutch plates in a DCT, is friction not the mechanism for engagement? If you were to reduce the friction would the clutches be more prone to slipping and then would increase wear? I must be missing something
@drone8392
@drone8392 4 жыл бұрын
how much horsepower gain after WPC all engine parts?, have you compare it?, less friction should be more power
@motoiq
@motoiq 4 жыл бұрын
On a car, it is super expensive to do an A to B test on WPC only but I have done it on a go-kart engine, on my daughter 50cc two-stroke Kart, it gave .2 more hp on a 3 hp motor and took a second of her lap time on a 1.03-second track. When she moved to 100cc karts it gained .3 hp on a 9 hp engine and gave her just under a second improvement on a 37 second a lap track. These are spec motors but the WPC isn't detectable and pass tech. For cars, the engine life is greatly increased, that's for sure. Also when a new engine is being turned by hand while being assembled, the friction is way less and the engine spins a lot easier.
@hibs5516
@hibs5516 Жыл бұрын
Would wpc and cryo treatment be viable for apex seals?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Yes a lot of top rotary builders use it.
@triplemotor
@triplemotor 4 жыл бұрын
What's the cost to have it done..???
@motoiq
@motoiq 4 жыл бұрын
check out their web site. www.wpctreatment.com/
@Moonbeam54
@Moonbeam54 Жыл бұрын
How do you add WPC treatment ? I watched videos of people ceramic coating but I can't see any video on : how WPC is achieved on engine components... Probably you could answer me?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Watch the video
@justinranes3351
@justinranes3351 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like I wouldn’t want my clutch done because I want more friction to hold my power. Will it last longer yeah but If I’m racing I want my clutch to hold
@Wolfspartanmarvel117
@Wolfspartanmarvel117 2 жыл бұрын
mike do u also do treatment on transmission gears
@motoiq
@motoiq 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@videomaniac108
@videomaniac108 3 жыл бұрын
What a fascinating explanation of this metal treatment process. I am going to contact these guys when it's time to rebuild the engine on my 370Z. I wonder if this process could be applied to aluminum connecting rods to make them more durable for long-term use in street engines.
@TK-yh9hg
@TK-yh9hg 3 жыл бұрын
Is there a way u can bring this technology to Australia, it WILL BLOODY TAKE OFF!!!!
@killdozer_93
@killdozer_93 2 жыл бұрын
I want to see Mike perform a full assembly of a boosted LS. Can we make it happen Moto IQ?
@motoiq
@motoiq 2 жыл бұрын
we already did it! kzbin.info/www/bejne/inOqiWWugZmKfrc
@aloeveratoronto1793
@aloeveratoronto1793 3 жыл бұрын
WPC saves the world!🧾📖💻 this guys super informative!📖📖📖📖📖📖📖 💯
@yondaimehokage3343
@yondaimehokage3343 4 жыл бұрын
can u wpc internal engine parts?even bone stock with less wear? just curious..
@aventari
@aventari 2 жыл бұрын
What about Alusil / Nikasil cylinders, I don't know if WPC would be a good idea there due to the very specific finish they require.
@motoiq
@motoiq 2 жыл бұрын
Works great on Nikasil and plasma liners, we do it all the time.
@aurelianpetre93
@aurelianpetre93 10 ай бұрын
And where can i get such metal surface treatments?
@motoiq
@motoiq 10 ай бұрын
google is your friend
@jackmehoff1565
@jackmehoff1565 Жыл бұрын
I love how he always has a weird little smile on his face
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