Forged vs Cast Piston Strength!

[@motorheadbanger950]

I hate when a hammer goes down my intake valve

[@motoiq]

Thats not good

[@HustleSoundz]

haha

[@RatFinkJunky]

😂😂😂

[@snoofayy6150]

Gotta keep up on your air filters man!!

[@ifrit35]

We've all been there man. Never a good day.

[@Barbaratio]

"oh bummer, the ring land broke, no more compression." The monotone just made it even better.

[@Lucidio2]

Sounds like my brother, as he’s on the phone telling me about it while keeping on driving

[@zatomlzxzanamolzy1253]

​@@Lucidio2😂

[@Wretched2JZ]

@@Lucidio2ahhh shit 🙈 I mean I don’t think so but many people have told me that my voice sounds perfect for something like that I don’t know.. to me it just never seems like a compliment, you know 🥸

[@eldarsk8er]

😂😂

[@brandonking277]

"I'm pushing like 350 HammerPower."

[@stran9adan9a63]

I'm using this term instead of thermal energy from now on🤣🤣🤣

[@paulshearer4569]

I’m probably only around 265 HP/Hammer Power!!! -But, but, but I keep her clean though!!! Lol [True 90’s teenager will know this “altered” reference in a heartbeat! ***Hint: Character was referencing “Rim Size” in the movie.*** ~Let me know if you get the Reference without looking it up! *No Cheating!!!*

[@user-rk8np5em8b]

Good man

[@racingdaily3674]

650 HammerPower

[@eldarsk8er]

😂😂

[@andydelassus2734]

“Forged piston for sale, like new”

[@infiniteblaz3416]

“Never banged hard. $1,000. I know what I got.”

[@TradeWindsMarine]

He did hit that forged piston hard 😂

[@Asceticism_N]

Same sound as the cast iron so no bs. But wondering which car that forged piston went in. 😂😂

[@Fatboypeet]

He hit the cast one on the tip

[@BoostedFA]

He definitely hit both of them on the edge.

[@edmundnlemadim8480]

@@Fatboypeet like boosted FA said, both were hit on the edge..

[@edmundnlemadim8480]

@@Asceticism_N probably in no car, since you can buy 4032 forged pistons for as little as 90 bucks for a single... probably made that back in youtube revenue, and then some, already

[@wrenbrighton2358]

Very nice demo! Love hearing this guy explain stuff he's so chill and approachable.

[@shenolrdezhebov528]

approachable. he is calm. I wish I hd masters like him while I am growing up on my profession

[@stilostan-the1st]

I'd call it monotone and boring

[@wrenbrighton2358]

@@stilostan-the1st Then watch something else.

[@Boobie.Rashard]

Definitely monotone. Makes it more comical though

[@sushimementomori7239]

@@stilostan-the1stI mean, there’s not many ways you could make this more interesting. It’s a simple Demonstration, not a movie.

[@ruthlessgtr1624]

Forged means a lot to my pockets and the legend pulled one out of the box to strike. Means a lot for demonstration to all enthusiasts/mechanics that are constantly learning non stop! Kudos

[@Airman..]

Frankly not a lot compared to OEM maybe 2 to 3x

[@Jm-dx9tl]

I got 4 for like $600 cad. They definitely werent that much. His social media presence pays for that at least

[@jonsingle1614]

I switched from a cast thumb to a forged thumb for the very same reason....take that you stinking hammer !

[@Slowfoo]

"Mike from moto IQ here, In this video, I will demonstrate why in every video I make I have a huge smile."

[@Fee.1]

Marijuana is a hell of a drug

[@everettstormy]

I make I have a big smile he's does it too me

[@smartcookie3500]

He's high AF! ⛽😆

[@huckleberryred472]

Moral of the story: don’t fill your gas tank with hammers

[@loercayt6146]

Or this guy with the hammer

[@FLORIDAMANIAM-he2lz]

Moral to the story forged is more resistant to force.

[@RegulerShowTV]

if you’ve ever seen the carnage and aftermath from a boosted motor blowing up, youd know how legit this demonstration is. cast pistons legit explode if anything goes wrong, forged slugs can save your block from having an inspection hole in the side of it lol

[@ricotheunprofessional]

I fuckin love this man!

[@thirteen12]

I never met Bob Ross but I talked to Mike, all the same Zen, but way faster

[@realweston]

“Bummer the ring land broke.” You my favorite kind of science teacher

[@gabrielthesingingpilot]

Now that's some "knock" right there

[@Pitchplus8]

When the crankcase becomes the weakest part in your engine 💪😁

[@realbigtuna667]

When the driveline can't handle the badass engine you built 🤑

[@bachmansgarage2593]

Just from experience if that's a SBC it's still gonna run, not gonna sound good but it will, I have a forged 0.60 piston with a intake valve that broke off and flipped around and went straight through the top of the piston and into the connecting rod and wrist pin, cracked the block on cylinder 7 and completely blew that end of the head off the block, made it the 5 miles home firing on 6 cylinders and never fell below 100mph

[@JC-vc7tf]

I'm surprised I've never seen that done before, makes a lot of sense too

[@JackoTJK]

not many people willing to hit a $200 piston to show how strong it is

[@timothykappel198]

Not really

[@ckelly9747]

Gives "PUTTING THE HAMMER DOWN" an awesome graphic.

[@ryanscott1316]

Ya that a whole new idea 😂 #HammerTime

[@danielbroce2035]

The father figure of car guys🙌🏽

[@mikedrop4421]

Perfect description

[@nevinkuser9892]

he's too young to be a father

[@oliver_klozoff]

Good advice for the next time I fill up my gas tank with hammers

[@Antimatter.]

That’s exactly what low octane will do on a high horsepower car , basically pouring a bunch of hammers in your tank 😂

[@oliver_klozoff]

@@Antimatter. 😂😂😂

[@taoisttiger4702]

Honestly i was waiting for the elon musk 'cybertruck' moment lol

[@birbcollective7142]

You’ve convinced me

[@leviscott8519]

MIKE Drops another useful gearhead bomb on our asses! NICE! Love this guy

[@ImmortalOnenesss]

Oh my, what ever shall I do .. I have no choice but to go fully forged now , from top to bottom due to the represented force of detonation .. to ensure the wife and kids get to school and work in a .. safe manner 😗😏

[@Weldemall2]

Just go billet😂

[@kinsmart7294]

Yeah, wonder how long would an all forget billet engine last if it remained with stock configurations

[@2ride_along]

I like how he is composed and still you think that he will unleash at any moment…lol

[@johnchamberlain5435]

I knew forged pistons were stronger than cast, but this really puts it in perspective. It also adds new meaning to pistons breaking in a top fuel engine!

[@ajtanishq]

Yes forged piston are manufacturing for high strength

[@LifeAfterWideOpenThrottle]

this is exactly how my piston looked after my engine failed. very helpful demo thank you

[@Kj16V]

I've fitted many forged pistons, but never tried hitting one on purpose. Never knew they were that much stronger!

[@josephnorris5459]

When the little gremlins with hammers get into your engine.

[@OMGITSAAAJ]

"Every time I put the hammer down the car shutters" -Customer who bought that forged piston 1 month later

[@daren9721]

This guys hilarious 😂

[@arc00ta]

I can’t be the only one that mentally stitched this with that men at work song when he hit it with the hammer, right?

[@hezues]

I love how straight and simple that man is. Very good representation

[@RC_Trailblazers]

Anyone that has a GTR and Evo in there shop gets my vote.

[@VIRUS8]

Got those n my garage

[@780brando]

hahahahahaha my daily needs forged too tho, never know when those evil hammers are gonna come knockin

[@motoiq]

It was a trick getting it past the intake valve.

[@Drunken_Hamster]

Now do a semi-solid cast piston. The only ones that exist are marketed as "semi-forged" and they're an OEM upgrade for the 4AGE from Toyota. They're rated for 600hp in that engine. Semi-solid casting is a process where hypereutectic aluminum is heated up until it has a paste-like consistency and then I believe it is high-pressure squeezed into a mold or drop forged or something like that. The end result is a hypereutectic cast piston with an aligned grain structure, giving it the beneficial properties of forging (to a slightly lesser extent) as well as the beneficial properties of a cast piston (no piston slap, no or low blowby, not "warmup" period before safely romping).

[@motoiq]

Who makes those? I have only heard of wheels made that way. 4032 alloy pistons are something similar.

[@Drunken_Hamster]

@@motoiq I literally said so in the comment. It's a set of factory-available pistons from Toyota for the 4AGE. They're 81mm in bore. They're marketed as "semi-forged" but the actual process is called "semi-solid cast." The ones from Toyota the only ones I know of. I wish the aftermarket had more of them for popular engines at a few different compression ratios. Also for the wheels, I think you're thinking of rotary forged, which is a different process altogether.

[@motoiq]

It's because they probably don't exist and someone said that on the internet.

[@collinpietsch5614]

No they do exist The issue is that the equipment used to make it is quite expensive to maintain and let alone use. Toyota's the only manufacturer that offers them factory as an upgrade. During the process they were squeezed into a mold under high pressure like he said when they're turned into a paste like consistency. Giving very similar strength to a forged piston while giving you all the benefits of a hypertect it piston. But forged is stronger and can handle way higher temps.

[@badassgararge2974]

To completely different hits , bud for illustration it’s fits the purpose

[@angelcoronado6719]

He did not hit them the same he hit that forged harder good demonstration😮

[@bobbyhempel1513]

I hope that was a forged piston that was forged out of spec and was going to need some machining.

[@ajtanishq]

Yes maching required for forged piston

[@Joe_Cool48]

Your piston: Turboflex piston:

[@benitoloco892]

Great video for auto repair students!

[@mikemartinez661]

Dude you’re awesome for explaining this

[@Thr33.Sid3z]

Mike Kojima Spittin Fire Facts 🔥

[@adamloveshondas3122]

Very well put …straight to the point even a kid can understand 🤪😂🤣

[@IMODN2]

thank u for the lesson on Forged pistons ❤

[@anotheremerex]

note. he clearly said "in a race application". Heat expansion of the forged piston reduces longevity and increases wear over time

[@BrandonWillis-kf5zm]

Metal is metal. The molecular structure is the FINAL product is the 🗝️

[@tacokoer7821]

Id like to see you make a piston out of mercury, considering that its also a metal

[@philly_beez]

cast piston fits tighter and makes engine run smoother for longer

[@everettstormy]

Why would that be the case? They are Both aluminum and ordered to spec

[@stoneyswolf]

The expansion rates are different so the bore diameter will be a little sloppy for the forged pistons. But after the pistons warm up the clearance is the same.

[@FLORIDAMANIAM-he2lz]

Wtf are you talking about. Forged pistons are whatever size you make them. You are like a child in this department dude.

[@FLORIDAMANIAM-he2lz]

Forged piston are what blue prints are based off of. That fist motor they make when designing at the factory is made with forged part. They mass produce with cast pieces for affordability. So you are wrong 100 percent.

[@everettstormy]

@@FLORIDAMANIAM-he2lz that doesn't really make any sense becuase casting is cheap to proto type and forged parts are usually ordered based on bore spec for when you are building an engine. I found out later that it does expand slower than cast aluminum

[@randomtuna8254]

Love the evo in the back!

[@davidortiz173]

This dude rocks!

[@Pinkielover]

Bobby Lee in only a few years 😂

[@loganmbb]

The small block 350 with 7 pistons driving me home

[@E85_STI]

Forged is much more forgiving than cast as I already broke my stock pistons a few years back but have been on forged engines since and they hold up

[@adriancruz3554]

This is great!!! I love it

[@Pompomgrenade]

😂 great demo, true wisdom🙈

[@Twobarpsi]

Great demo Mike!

[@tthams73]

That’s impressive! I would not have imagined that much difference

[@tthams73]

That’s awesome! Great demonstration and totally true!

[@georgesanchez9714]

I love this video example!

[@Dc2nw]

Cant stop laughing 😂 u are so awesome 👏

[@Meowface.]

Haven’t seen you in years Since behind the smoke episodes on gtfchannel Glad to see you’re doing well !

[@RC-qt2zc]

Looks to me you hit the edge on the first one and the second you hit it on a flat spot you should do this again and hit both in the same spot

[@everettstormy]

I think he hit it the same place but I want to see him just smash them down the center

[@JommyGhee-ju8tc]

Great example 👍

[@nicolasortiz5534]

I died at the "look at that" thats a great demo

[@giftedcracker]

Subaru uses forged pistons for their sti in japan, but cast is the us. Because cast pistons get slightly better emissions on startup. Defund the epa.

[@realbigtuna667]

EPA doesn't care about things like longevity, reliability, or emissions related to supply chains needed to support parts that must be made less reliable to fulfill running emissions regulations. Most likely incompetence.

[@Ritchie472]

Subaru also has the ring gap to tight so if it overheats to much it'll break a piston, because cold start emissions.

[@a-animal1206]

Meanwhile in here the scam of USA dump trucks pour black smoke into the air but we're worried about cold startup emissions... This country is a fucking joke

[@smoothtee3053]

Straight to the point ☝️

[@andrewlace]

I always smile when I think "oh no, engine's not going to run" 😅

[@InternetGangster420]

Dom: dudes gonna fry his pistons before the finish line

[@KleinDash-mq1co]

The best example honestly! The combustion is the most important thing to make a vehicle move.

[@Bimmer_Bill]

Mike is the man!

[@brucepeninsula2036]

This guy is the best. Always smiling

[@DeVoN420zz]

Its the grain structure of the metal, one is pored and one is compressed, the meturagry with a high silica content will prevent expantion seizure

[@MAGA-Chad]

I had bought a "forged" piston for my motorbike a while back and tried to install it with the end of my hammer (plastic handle) but covered it up with a thin cloth rag so I didn't scuff anything. 7 taps in and the center ringland shattered and compression ring bent...then my heart shattered after I realized what happened. (R.I.P. cheap eBay 196cc piston)

[@gawdzalien2811]

What happened

[@MAGA-Chad]

@gawdzalien2811 Defective piston I guess. Forged pistons don't normally break that easily.

[@jonh2408]

I'll remember to buy forged pistons next time I plan on hitting the edge of my pistons with a mallet

[@Adam-ub9nu]

A forged piston is better in any situation, not just a race car setup.

[@motoiq]

Except for very long life under stock conditions

[@beezowdoodoozoppitybopbopb9488]

I'd love nothing more than to see you go in depth on 2618 vs 4036 alloy pistons. What are the realistic limits of a 4032 piston if that's what we choose over 2618 for clearance and lubricity purposes? Thanks for the content man, you're a gold mine of advanced knowledge.

[@motoiq]

That is coming.

[@TribullsEnglishBulldogs]

The hammers knocking in the engine again😂

[@ZillaZarate]

Good thing I don’t have a hammer in my motor

[@RjctdEK]

Mike is a very knowledgeable indeed really experienced and explains precisely. Glad he's always been successful with Falken tire FD & other motorsports. Keep it up mike

[@TheRealBanana]

I've seen quite a few cast pistons burn through the face to the underside right at the mold parting line. Makes me wonder if its concentrating heat at the thin raised line.

[@man-e4g637]

Some people dont understand the power of detonation.

[@sethv1488]

Hi Mike from I smoked too much before going to work today. LoL reminds me of that bugs Bunny cartoon where he's a bomb tester hitting all the bombs on the top and letting dud on them

[@motoiq]

You should smoke after work!

[@hooptiestv3220]

😂😅 I needed that Stock one my boy …😢😂😂 #HooptieTV

[@bamacat4469]

This guy sounds like hes been smoking the Devils Lettuce 😂

[@ashishpatel350]

Can't wait for 3d pistons

[@fernandoramalho3644]

Excelent explanatio !!!

[@coboscustoms4342]

Well demonstrated

[@robertmason8341]

I’m an engine builder too so I totally get what you are demonstrating 👍🏻 but you kinda hooked that cast piston right on the edge above its weakest spot-the ring land and then went straight down on the forged piston. Just saying! But yes, the cast piston doesn’t stand a chance against detonation versus the forged piston! 👍🏻

[@wendyandmattschick7757]

Subscribed!

[@tztezza]

That evo looks so nice in the background

[@lostunder12]

I should use this an an example to describe detonation in an engine for my customers

[@johnnys8489]

The turbo flex test.😂😂

[@nikoivan2580]

This, my friends, is Jensen Huang's father, the CEO of World Vehicle Production company. Short, PVC Ltd.

[@beezanteeum]

Oil consumption: stonks📈📈📈📈 Especially when the cylinders using aluminium and silicon compound (yes, we're talking about you, Yamaha)

[@IceTrey98c]

This guys always smiling like he knows an inside joke that we all arent in on lol

[@kevinmanning4880]

So glad this man decided to do these videos and bless so many!

[@billiebleach7889]

Me: running out to check the air intake for hammers

[@arterca]

Sorry, i was distracted by the R35. Man i wish I had the money for one.

[@clancy4freeswag562]

"Oh bummer"... bummer indeed Mike

[@michaelchristian8220]

Thanks Mike. Now i want to put forged piston in my Nissan Quest....

[@Mak13927]

This is an impact test. Correct me if I'm wrong but when casting a metal it becomes harder during recrystallisation, so it will be able to withstand more energy from impact, however due to the lack of tensile strength of the casted metal (won't bend as freely) it simply shatters. You see this quite a bit in cast iron, negating the additional carbon content. Sorry if that is incorrect, in any case check out alloys and phase diagrams (:

[@motoiq]

It depends how you cool it.