Yamaha Tenere 700 - essential suspension knowledge

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

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[@trickystravels]

Makes me want to ride to Australia just to get my shock and suspension sorted

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Look forward to showing the results.

[@seisamigos397]

Thanks guys! I've learned more about suspension today in this one video than I have over the years. Really appreciate the information.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Great to hear!

[@bloodsimple4706]

The suspension of the T700 is good for 90+% of the buyers. If you wanna push hard you need to invest. Or take one of its competitors. That’s fair enough when looking at prices.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Yes I would agree with you, that for most riders it won't that much, except if they are real heavy or are taking a big load.

[@colin20cal12]

Have been looking forward to this video and may I say I haven't been disappointed. I've learnt alot from just watching this one uncompleted video. Looking forward to the conclusion. Keep up the great work. Stay safe 👍

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Great to hear!

[@laurensdedonder24]

Great review! If I can change the setup of the suspension at minimal cost, I have no langer any reason not to buy the T7. I love the bike!

[@stepheneldridge6998]

I have seen the light!...or at least I think I understand the suspension a whole lot more. And really enjoyed a whole bunch of T7 discussion! I think for my usage a correct Spring from Rally Raid and a proper suspension set up will do the job. Cheers, Steve

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@keswicktours]

I learned a lot about the complexity of suspension and where to start with the basic modifications. A great episode and thanks to the specialists for their understandandable explanations.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Springs for your weight! Told in four different ways.

[@airfoil]

This video is very enlightening and something all manufacturers must watch and follow - it isn't difficult to make simple changes to reduce sag taking motorcycle and standard rider weight into account. Any manufacturer who factors in the basics outlined in this video will create a winner of a motorcycle in the handling department.

[@tHaH4x0r]

100% agreed. Wouldn't it be amazing, that if you buy a motorcycle from the dealer you have to enter your weight, and they at least put in the correct springs and approximate sag for you? Uncapitalized opportunity.

[@board.member]

Wow! This was easily the most informative KZbin video I have ever watched. Had me rapt from the very start and I see no reason to apply some of those principles to my VMAX. Thanks champ!

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jimmypatchett9642]

Real good episode Dave, because of the info I have now bought and fitted the 95Nmm rear spring and the fork preload caps.Man what a different bike this makes. Cheers and keep up the good work.

[@DirtSquirty]

What do you weigh for that 9.5? Trying to Get better idea for myself

[@ronanrogers4127]

Really well put together video. Suspension is fascinating the more you learn about it. Sure, there’s always compromises, but to make the right choices you’ve really got to be clear about your intended uses (plural), so you can target a sweetspot. I’ve been doing my own valving for a few years, and without a suspension dyno it’s of course more trial and error and less professional, but I’ve easily made various stock suspension 50-70% better through heavier Eibach springs chosen for +45kg weight, different shims, correct sag, and the same SKF seals and SKF shock seal head. I’m sure either of these experts would get even better results, but I’m actually very happy and satisfied with the results...and I learnt heaps, even about the importance of knowing the oil’s Centistoke specs and not (fairly meaningless) XXW weights, which are completely different by manufacturers (some 5W have a Centistoke of a competitor’s 10W). Great video, I look forward to the update.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

thank you.

[@yamahatenere700]

You really have done a good job, we are looking forward to thoroughly testing the suspensions with the latest settings. The video has been of great help to us. A greeting from Spain

[@elgringoec]

Un saludo desde gringolandia!

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Great to see you enjoying the series from Spain.

[@theexplorermike]

Thanks so much for this in depth and helpful translation of a pretty alien language. A really well structured video, sad to see you couldn't quite wrap it up with the state of things in the world. But looking forward to seeing the final update in this topic. Stay safe everyone and hope we can all be out exploring again soon.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Glad it was helpful and I look forward to finishing it when we can.

[@roberthicks686]

Yamaha should have at least given the proper spring for the market the bike was being delivered to. A spring for riders in Thailand shouldn't be shipped to US riders. We haven't gotten ours yet but I bet it will still be undersprung once delivered.

[@adriantompson]

dont believe every thing my T7 is fine two up with luggage. i have had mine 6 months no problem at all.

[@elgringoec]

@@adriantompson That's good to hear! You know how some folks love their calories though.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

and you weigh? and the weigh of your gear is? And what do you do with the bike?

[@adriantompson]

@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV loads off road some light off road with julie on back with top box. both of us about 24 stone in weight. we have very rough trails ride with ktm790r off road every week end.

[@zardportugal]

TOP video! Waiting for the final test. Congrats. Cheers.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

You and me both!

[@frontiermotoventures8824]

Best suspension video on the tube, gets into the details. looks like all the homework will be done by the time mine shows up ffs nicely done!!

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

We haven't finished yet, Paul Anderson. We are going to test my bike, the Rally Raid option against Clive Ward's set up.

[@612minigun]

This is such a good exploration and introductory explination of Suspension principals. This has really helped me! My dirtbike is fantastically undersprung, I need to get some work done on it to make it appropriate for my weight and usual tool bag and snack bag.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Glad you liked it!

[@arnereiersen7383]

Just bought my new 95N/mm spring from rallyraid after this episode. Can't wait to tune the suspension !

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Looking forward to your feedback.

[@zakkyummms]

Weight does change quite a bit., depending on time of year, type of riding, ride length, and other smaller factors. That's why preload adjustment is important for a bike like this.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Agree

[@wrkunst]

It's a real shame that you produce great content like this and then have to deal with the muppets complaining about the exact things you spent the time explaining. Keep up the great content, and realize that you don't have to answer to every one of the people that complain.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Well said

[@JoshDurston]

Looking forward to the followup. Great content!

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

More to come! Just waiting n a couple of things.

[@haunyawk]

Great video. Looking forward to the follow up comparison video. Thanks

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Coming soon!

[@dave-d]

Really appreciate your knowledge mate. Just got my T7 and it's the first adjustable suspension for me. Found cheap beer on my last camping trip and I'm up to 90kg's now! Hard to understand the settings at first but this video makes it all clear. Put some Motoz Tractionators on and noticed the front end went squirrely on me. Wound in some more damping and happy days. Cheers.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Glad I could help

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Generally Motoz on the back, Pirelli Rally Scorpion on the front.

[@dave-d]

@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV OK. I still have the virtually unused original Pirelli Scorpion front. Was wondering if Motoz front may have been a mistake. Thank you.

[@hock4540]

Great video! Suspension is about the only negative you hear about this bike, especially for bigger guys with gear. While this has mostly been about off-road, would love to hear the impact on on-road feel/changes also. It's on the short list for sure. Stay safe out there!

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Just start by getting the rear spring for your weight. It's about a ten minute job.

[@hock4540]

@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Cheers.. cheap and easy, I like it!

[@hock4540]

If you don't mind, can I get your thoughts on how the T700 in your opinion stacks up with the Africa Twin? How large are the gaps between the two in on-road and off-road performance? I figure the AT has the advantage on-road and the T700 off, but which is the better overall for 50/50 riding with load and doing 3-400 Km a day for week/weekend trips, but then hitting trails when we get to the destination? Most of our backroads here in the US are tar, not dirt (unfortunately if you like to ADV, but great if you have a big ground pounder or car).

[@riaandewinnaar5040]

Nice, learned some. Wish there were more of these.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Thank you.

[@williamgoodwin9667]

Nik is just a champ. What a top bloke enjoyed every min of this vid. 👌🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🍻

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Absolutely

[@allenhuling598]

Great video, Dave, thank you for the work put into this!! I certainly have learned a lot about bike suspension in general, but especially for the T7. I will certainly need stiffer springs from stock! Looking forward to the test ride results!

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Ducksonalltube]

Really Eye opening video, nice to watch the experts go at it.. How about hooking up with Sanders after his trip, adjust the suspension and get his reaction. 😳

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Nick is backin the UK and will return when covid settles down.

[@AudioTones67]

Utterly brilliant video, thank you team!

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Jimo368]

I’m not buying a Tenere but I’m still watching.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

That's OK. I think there is a lot to be learned about suspension from these experts.

[@Jotx]

NOW I have to travel to Australia to join you!! OMG!! Amazing video. I'm waiting for mine to get Andreani front, ohlins rear. Hope to have it soon and share it with you!! Thanks for the video!!

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Please do!

[@aleks_the_Great13]

Amazing video... The blurr that I've had for suspension setting is now better :).. Fitting a spring on the back this Friday and setting the bike up... Can't wait :)

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Glad it helped!

[@aleks_the_Great13]

@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV is there anyone selling spacers for the front forks at moment. If you might know.... I'm seeing tourque racing on Friday for a new spring on my tenere700 supermoto and I might need them as I'm not light

[@pinnacleroofing9841]

Hey Clubby, if you lose a few kilos you wont need it so stiff for the dirt, then you'll get the compliance on the street. The compromise you're looking for you can fix in the kitchen

[@BillyBoblovesthedirt]

I have changed the springs on my last 3 bikes now and got my sag set up correctly. It makes a huge difference especially when I weigh 110kg without gear. I think manufacturers should be doing more to sell a bike that actually suits the riders weight without forking out $400 on springs let alone the work involved fitting them. Most riders are far heavier than the standard spring rates allow for. It’s a joke and we should be making a big deal about it. We are paying big dollars for stuff that doesn’t work and that’s not good enough these days. I have thrown 3 sets of my own new springs in the bin and a few sets of my mates after changing theirs.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

I would like manufacturers to offer that service as an optional at time of purchase. It makes a huge difference.

[@blancolirio]

Clubby!...lol ...compromise...John M. on point!

[@JohnDaniel-jx2nf]

Great video man! Never seen this much info abt another specific bike out there.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Glad it was helpful!

[@hock4540]

I'd really like to hear how the T700 compares to a DR650.. both seem to be bush pigs, maybe a bush horse vs bush pig. What makes the T700 vastly better? Yeah more HP, but it's 100lbs (45kg) heavier. Based on this they both need suspension upgrades. T700 has the 6th gear, but how much are you going over 70mph (115 kmh) on pavement? DR is half the cost too. Great videos and info as always. Thanks for all the hard work!

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Ask Nugget when we go live in a couple of weeks.

[@robpinter5431]

Interesting video, I learned a lot on how to set up the bike, but when looking for aftermarket springs, they only list the riders weight, and not the weight of all loads...which would make it guesswork when buying a new spring. As ADV riders we can and do carry gear for multiple day or weeks rides being self sufficient, so the spring rates must match the load....and then, ride the bike to work without the camping gear and still expect the bike to handle....the black art of suspension.....

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

The issue you raise with the springs is a great one. My strong view is to turn to a reputable motorcycle suspension specialist. It's money well spent.

[@MrEtnorb]

The usual high quality MAD TV vid. It’s a travesty that no bike ever comes with suspension that suits our riding. Even my 500excf with its explor forks needed work to get it right. Clearly, motorcycle manufacturers pay lip service to the real world needs of riders, especially Australian ones. I will never see my ideal adv bike as they have written off 1 cylinder bikes forever. My motto is 2 cylinders is too much.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Tons more content to come once we get out of this covid

[@yagian]

Fantastic video. Keep up the great work!

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Thank you very much!

[@hardworkingamerican8847]

Don't even know if I will see my Tenere this year because of you know what . Hopefully I will be proven wrong . That said I love the work you guys are doing and my list of goodies now will have some suspension upgrades . P.S. I am riding my DR650 whenever I can , no worries !

[@goodolbiker]

I called Yamaha about my T7 that i put a deposit on months ago. They said there were no delays on the bike making it to the states so fingers crossed for june

[@hardworkingamerican8847]

@@goodolbiker YEEEEEEEWHOOOOOOOO BABY !

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

That's great to hear.

[@ajaysankarnair1445]

Thanks for the detailed video. Keep up the good work!

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Thanks for watching!

[@marctepas9912]

You updated your Black T7 bike with 80Nm spring at the back and front is al so new, but the front spring rate isn't mentioned. What is it and how much preload do you use?

[@beejoutbush3322]

What about when the wheel drops into a hole? Understanding the importance of hitting somethig that pushes the suspension up but what about when it drops? If the sag is too small won't that top out the drop?

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Not if your rebound setting is correct.

[@NickNorland]

Serious question 🙋‍♂️ how many of you pack up, ride out on your adventure and hit the road/track all loaded up, then get to a camp spot, unload your bike to go for a day ride to see a sight, climb a hill or beach. And so with that huge change in weight on the bike, how do you rapidly adjust your suspension to do this to get the best ride you can get.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Much of the time, generally around 15 kgs plus. My KTM690 is suspension is set up for full load. So when you ride it with no gear it bounces like a pogo stick. My T700 is set up right in the middle for the weight.

[@NickNorland]

@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV makes sense, I just got T7, I’m about 95kg with gear on. Need to find that sweet spot. Thank you for your wisdom.

[@brianharrigan8821]

Well it seems the T7 is a Asian rider focused , suspension setup ! ? It seems that manufacturers in this day and age would have 2 versions of factory suspension from the factory, focused for 2 distinct market criteria. Though, we all know the aftermarket parts and service sector is married to the industry of all machinery lines . You are fortunate to be average in height, weight , reach , and needs to use of the vehicle . I have always had to do some level of modification to all the motorcycles I've ever purchased . The Yamaha T7 looks to be a very popular bike ,, I will be looking at one .

[@blockhead52]

Well that was great I learnt a lot shame that Yamaha didn't put a bit more into the standard suspension.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

I think the basic suspension is fine. It's just that they've under sprung it. Most likely to ensure shorter riders aren't put off by the height. Which I find amusing, because there are some great and easy ways to reduce the height of the bike for shorter riders.

[@Nick-me9tl]

Thanks for the great video! Some aftermarket rear springs are progressive and some linear. Like Hyperpro vs Rally raid products. Witch one do you recommend for the T7 as the best solution and why? Thanks in advance. Gr Nick

[@Niki_Parvanov]

Comprehensive information, awesome vid! The comparison will be useful af

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Glad it was helpful!

[@FirstLightAdv]

Great topic but the past 7 videos was about T700 which some of us will never be able to afford :( more keen to see trips/adventures! We can do that on any bike :)

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Up until the corona virus our plans were to go back to the Simpson Desert and ride Cape York and rise from Sydney to Mount Everest. Everything is put on hold so this is the best we've got until things get safer.

[@FirstLightAdv]

@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV WOW can't wait to see that!!! Bloody virus indeed...

[@BrennanShepard]

What was your final setup, and is there a followup video?

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

yes look on MAD TV and you'll find it. My suspension is perfect for me now.

[@wimverhoeven81]

Which category can one put Andreani suspension in? I have seen that they made new off Road cartridges ...

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Haven't experienced it in an off road version

[@Bouldertag]

Great video and info! Thanks! Your vids are great and professional 👍 I am very greatfull for all your work you do to bring us this info!!!I am humbled you got this shit down! You win!

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

thank you

[@russpaton8877]

Hey M A D TV I think the 700 is pretty great too but it is maybe time for some content other than the T 700 right?

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Well Russ give me a bike to test.

[@russpaton8877]

@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV LOL. Wouldn't that be sweet! Ya I think you know that I am busting your balls but maybe you/we can convince Beta to send you a 390rr to test for us all seems how the demos programs have all been covided. Was looking to ride another one this spring and make a descision. Your reviews are thurough and may help me pull the cord!!!! ;)

[@phillipwilkinson5344]

Great video of the dark art!!! who new the t700 was set for my weight just not my height

[@TheMarketSniper1]

92KG South AFrican here. Valueable content appreciated.. looking at grabbing a T7 & suspension is the one key mod I am into considering. Sub'd

[@michaeldoran8157]

17:25 Not to get off topic, but... what bash guard is mounted of that Husqvarna?

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Don;t know

[@gregmiller2178]

www.100moto.com.au/husqvarna-250-300-2013-to-2016-alloy-bashplate-pip

[@venturerv6851]

Really good video with outstanding information for the T7. Q: I see in the video that Nick Dole was fitting a 80Nmm shock spring together with other mods, what weight was the rider?

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

94 kg

[@johnboy3100]

Would also like to know how these changes made for blacktop riding???

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Does all right.

[@johnboy3100]

@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Appreciate the reply and a lot of good info on this one but " Does Alright " could mean a lot of things. A little worse than stock for road or about the same, how about thru the curves on blacktop? Since this is considered an Adventure bike I would assume it would be on hardtop quit a bit and as most I would like to see a good follow up on this for road handling if possible, should be easier than the off road section..Cheers

[@gezginendurocu]

İf the front tire want to slip too much on the offroad..Is it interested with suspension settings ?

[@adriantompson]

that bike you used for front sag what did you do to it because my stock bike with me standing on it only goes down that far with me standing on it, i am 14 stone. i get doing your suspension will improve the bike no end, but trying to tell T7 owners the stock suspension wont cope 2 up with luggage is wrong. off road stock works good enough but you always want it better, if i did do mine oilins do a kit for T7 that is what i would put in. we ride very rough trails fast stock bike is pritty good after a few adjust ments. i no you have got suspention engineers. but hope they didnt set front sus up on the bike you showed with sag on with out any one on. that was very odd.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

That was my bike

[@Itchybite]

Two suspension experts with T7 experience in NSW. Who has done the T7 R & D down here is Victoria??

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

good question

[@karma247ajm]

Great video. Lots of useful info 👍

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Glad it was helpful!

[@dmsentra]

So what weight is the factory setup better for? Or is it too soft for even tiny folk?

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Good for 75 kilogram riders.

[@Mikael150381]

This is MAD good tv. The best i´ve seen so far. All your others have been really great but this is just the top. Who owns the "Beast"(20:46). Props from Denmark.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Steve Smith from Adventure Moto.

[@bobbybecker8834]

great video and I enjoy your content. I found my t7 suspension to be OK. the rear shock is severely under sprung, and forks are decent with me weighing around 84kg without gear but I will add about 5mm of preload to help and possibly heavier oil. how did only the 80nm rear spring feel on the stock shock? I believe you have the rally raid extreme shock on it, but I have not seen your thoughts on only the spring upgrade alone. You are a tad heavier than me but far faster than I am. I pack very light when I do multi day trips but would prefer better offroad feel without luggage as that is a majority of my riding and priority. I am stuck between 80 or 85nm but want to keep the bike balanced since I don't plan on doing fork springs. Thanks in advance for your time if you get to reading this.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

A long time ago now. I can't remember. It was just better for me.

[@bobbybecker8834]

@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV I understand. Thanks for the reply, I'll try the 80nmm as I prefer it to still be on the soft side than too stiff. As long as it's better than stock

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

@@bobbybecker8834 Sorry I couldn't help. It was a long time ago.

[@stuh7049]

Are you the same guy as "Chronicles Solid" who used to do videos on off road and adventure bikes?

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Nope

[@yorkchris10]

I think you just explained why the F850GS "electronic suspension" is so basic.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Not sure about that but the principals are the same.

[@buenobro]

For those of us with the same luggage and rider weights, is it possible to give us the full spec for the suspension set up?

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Not really, because it's constantly changing. Since I produced this video I've continued to help Rally Raid with development of the suspension. We'll be doing another series of All Things Tenere in the coming months.

[@Oliver-eq6xt]

Great video, I learned alot about suspension

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Glad to hear it!

[@JulietHotelFoxtrot]

Good tips overall. Thanks.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Duck95ish]

really hope that when I get my t700 oneday, i can get a MAD-tv sticker kit like @ 2:03

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Yes Ive got to get one too.

[@steveh1510]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but where can I purchase the fork preload spacer? Or how can I make one? Thanks

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Talk to Nick Dole from Tekniks Suspension, or, Clive Ward of Bikebiz

[@stephenrogers9664]

One of the best videos ever

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Not sure about that. But I'll take it :)

[@stephenrogers9664]

Motorcycle Adventure Dirtbike TV I meant on suspension sorry. I really learnt a lot on sagging, & didn’t think about the weight that I was carrying on myself as well. I learnt a lot from that video I really did. Honestly well done plus I’m from Cairns, & I love your Aussie content.

[@graantmnz]

is there a link to that front fork kit ?

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Rally Raid Products UK

[@SomeTechGuy666]

I have a YZ450FX. How do I make a T700 handle like my FX ? LOL. Would there be any value to swapping YZ forks and shock onto the T700 ?

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

don't know

[@SWTrailsAndWheels]

With $2k added suspension costs, you start getting into 790 Adventure R price range.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

The whole point is you just need to get the springs for your weight for the greatest improvement.

[@ronanrogers4127]

Motorcycle Adventure Dirtbike TV ... Correct, springs number one, and fluid number two. And remember that the 5w, 10w measurements are basically meaningless for viscosity, the correct measurement is Centistoke (kinematic viscosity at 40c & 100c). 10W fork oils have Centistoke 40c measurements ranging between 15 and 49 (ie triple the kinematic viscosity). Consumers would think they’d have the same real world viscosity, but there can be huge differences, and I’ve found the majority of mechanics in Australia unfamiliar with this, whereas in Germany (where I’ve lived and bought BMW and KTMs there) the mechanics only use Centistoke. Here’s a summary of 10w labelled fork oils at 40 degrees centigrade: Agip Fork (10wt) 45 Belray 33 Castrol 15 Castrol synthetic 42 Elf 47 Honda 35 Karabach 37 Maxima 32 Motorex 32 Shell Advance Fork 32 Silkolene 35 Silkolene Pro 47 Suzuki 33 Torch Racing fork fluid 20 WP (white power) 49 Yamaha 33 There’s a movement to change labelling away from 10w, and Fuchs/Silkolene has already done this. www.peterverdone.com/wiki/index.php?title=Suspension_Fluid

[@chasp_0784]

Ronan Rogers 😂 you sound like every German I’ve ever met, if a mechanic uses one brand of oil he will understand what result he is going to get. I’m sure these suspension chaps know a centistoke from a guesstimate

[@craigdixon439]

Very informative. Bike envy.....................

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Thanks 👍

[@boggsy84]

Really good video, regardless of what bike you ride. How do you think the bike with the suspension modified by the professor now rides compared to the suspension on a 790 adv R? I'm looking at those two bikes, the KTM gets rave reviews, but it's pricy, be interested to know how close the tenere gets with a little modifications.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

I'll work towards testing the KTM790 soon.

[@boggsy84]

@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Can't wait to see that video and comparision 👍

[@Krullie14]

Great video! However I'm wondering if the bike needs any suspension work done if you are only going to ride it on solid road/tarmac. What are your thoughts on that?

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

We discussed that at length. Have a listen to the last minute od the video.

[@Krullie14]

I'm afraid I missed that part, thanks for the quick response. Looking forward to the conclusion episode!

[@petertelford4900]

Thanks mate your a legend but what about extra fuel weight lol

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

we talked about fuel weight.

[@Aridrona]

I would want any bike to handle chop/braking bumps and bottom resistance. Thats it

[@comfortablyunknown700]

So much to say😖. Quick note...I LOVE Yamaha. I cuddle with my R6😍 often. This is a bit of a depressing video. I have been saying(across the web) that the T7 is over priced. This video is another conformation of that. A majority of riders have to pay more for parts now and dismantle the suspension or pay someone to do it. Everyone continues to say the suspension is fully adjustable. Nick@Teknik says the forks do not have preload adjusters, so not fully adjustable. That is a huge disappointment. Somewhat sounds like factory adjusters are an additional cost? I did the full Rally Raid works on a CB500X. Looks like I will be working with them again with a T7. Sorry to come off all crabby. Patience sailed away from the US a few months ago. I am always excited when a new MADtv video comes out. Great work. I really enjoy it all.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

I don't think you've walked away with the right messages. A rear spring takes 10 mins to instal and cost less than $200. That;s all that has been done to my bike and we haven't tested it yet, so not sure how you can come to these conclusions.

[@comfortablyunknown700]

@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV In a nice shop like the few in your video, a suspension job could be somewhat quick. Even quicker when the tech does that work for a living. Takes a little longer for an average rider in their garage, without the specialty tools to make the job easier. There is the option of shipping the shock to a suspension tech and paying them for parts and labor. That also adds some lovely wait time, that the US is very fond of at this point. You have not made any changes to your forks, but you need to. The Professor shows that the bike on it's own is under sprung...adding 5m to the preload spacer seemed to have helped. A fair amount of dirt riders that weigh a little more, will have to get in the forks as well.

[@deadman89100]

En Latinoamerica necesitamos quien haga esta excelente modificación, yo peso 95kg sin equipamiento de nada imagina como se hunde la moto con todo arriba.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

No lo creo. Creo que podría comprar un resorte de 90 metros newton en internet y obtener un mecánico de bicicletas en su país para que se ajuste. Es muy fácil sacar el amortiguador trasero de un T700. I don't think so. I think you could buy a 90 newton metre spring on internet and get a bike mechanic in your country to fit it. It is very easy to take out the rear shock on a T700.

[@HORNET6]

Because e of this vid I maxed the rear preload leaving the clickers at stock and front compression is one out from max rebound is stock. Definitely going in the right direction...next is springs for my 100kg weight.....what is with the new fashion of adding 'en' in the middle of damping?? ;-)

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Why guy says dampening. I say damping, but when I'm around him I start saying dampeining :)

[@chopsonTV]

Does the use of a lowering link affect how you set static & rider sag?

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Great question. I don't know the answer. I would post that request on one of the Tenere 700 sites ask post in Nick Dole or John Mitchinson. In the meantime I will message them.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Although Nick hasn't fitted a lowering link to a T7 as yet. He said that he'd stick to the old 10% 30% rule to start with. Different brands of link lower different amounts

[@chopsonTV]

@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Thanks. Keep up the great content!

[@peterr9685]

Who do we see in melbourne (south or east) for expertise on ADV suspension?

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

I'm sorry I don't know

[@simonlanc1]

Good video...do you have a decent setting at the moment for the standard suspension....also what year WR450 foot pegs fit the Tenere?..

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

IMS brand late model Yamaha WR 450

[@adriantompson]

simon i must be the only T7 rider with stock suspension set up . that works off and on road. just dont get how much front sag they had on the bike with out rider. go and try your to see and let me no how much sag you have with no rider on . i must have ace sus on mine because mine doesnt go down like that bike did.

[@simonlanc1]

@@adriantompson I measured my static sag,and its 40mm!....you must pull the forks up from rest and measure...what do you have?

[@adriantompson]

@@simonlanc1 i have 25mm thats with pulling forks back up. rember i have ajusted my suspension 12mm with out pulling bike back up. my bike handles very good, if you look on my chanle it shows what i did to it. and it works very good did not like stock set up. i must be the only T7 rider that likes the stock suspension. took me 6 rides to get it right. its better on road as well.i have the sag on the back spot on with standard spring. buy revalve kit would make it better but how hard are you going to ride. your into enduro riding if you go any faster and its not a enduro bike.

[@simonlanc1]

@@adriantompson thanks Adrian..it might also be I have crash bars fitted which weigh around 2.5Kg...so might need either preload spacers or more harder spring

[@estevamwerneck7209]

Fantastic

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Thanks

[@velvia7880]

What is that rear rack red square petrol container? Is it available in the EU?

[@Jimo368]

Svett Menneske Rotopax.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Rotopax. The rear rack is an Austrlian design - contact Greg Yager from rideadv.com.au

[@lucsergerie1835]

Amazing video how Yamaha put so weak spring for a adventure bike? the should have a option to order on your requested weight ... I love to see so many KLIM products down under :) love from Canada !

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

It is common for new bikes to be undersprung. Always has been. It's just that we, the riders are becoming more savvy at improving them and tuning the suspension for our weight and use.

[@davidgermain]

i guess this is why the next gen stuff is electronic control

[@wackywick7780]

Mega thanks good watch👍what settings did you end up with on rear shock ? 👍

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

80 Nm metre spring, comp damping 1, not sure of rebound.

[@wackywick7780]

Motorcycle Adventure Dirtbike TV 1 from full closed I have same spring from jhon 👍

[@wackywick7780]

👍good work Dave hope you lot are ok 😷✌️👍

[@BurningFeetAdventures]

@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Hi Dave, what about the 95nm rear shock spring rate you were discussing at the beginning of your video related to your "high" body weight plus gear?

[@83PJS]

Awesome videos as always🙌 Just one question. You are mentioning quite a few times that you fit 80N/mm spring to your bike and you also mention that you weigh 92kg...I dont quite get that right?! 🤔

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

That is the spring recommended for me. I haven't tested the bike in the dirt yet.

[@83PJS]

Motorcycle Adventure Dirtbike TV. Did watch it one more time and on the wrapping of the spring its stands 90...

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

@@83PJS yes I saw that too. My understanding and unless I'll be corrected that is not NM.

[@83PJS]

Motorcycle Adventure Dirtbike TV 👍 Anyway. Very good work getting all that info. I highly appreciate your work making this series🙌

[@MrEtnorb]

PJS 80N/mm means a force of 80 Newton’s (8kg) force per 1mm of spring compression. 80 NM means a torque (or turning force) of 8 kg over a 1 metre lever arm. They are completely different.

[@ab2229]

The more I look up the bike the more I think one next to my wr250r is needed

[@Akhilpoomala]

I love you guys You guys are so nice and cool. And True motorcycle enthusiastic

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Thanks so much!

[@schlooonginator1227]

I know motorbikes have their suspension much more sorteddddd than the relatively new sport ooooof mountain bikes butttttt why not use air springs? Much more tunability and progressive. I underrrrrstand rear leverage plays a roll in what is ideal but forks are straight forward enough plus weight savvvvvvvvvvvvings of no heavy steel springs. Is it cost with the extra precision and sealing requirements of an air spru ng unit? Make one leg the spring and the other the dampener. Admittedddddly coil tends to have superior suppleness. I would choose coil rear and air fork.

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

That happens.

[@streetmachine8211]

Love your videos!

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Thank you!

[@fc15min]

Hi People! I'm from far far North, from Lithuania and have one question. Did someone of you tried Ohlins cartridge and rear shock? Why I ask, we don't have here Ausie dealers ;) So have to think something else :P Thanks for any info and oppinions.... yeah I know it's expensive :(

[@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV]

Since this video there are many good products that come on market. My sponsor is Rally Raid Products UK and they have some great suspension components for front and rear out now. We will be testing them soon.