MotorWeek | Comparison Test: Mid-Size Sedan Challenge

[@nathanwright8616]

awe i miss the days of sedans and relatively simple cars compared to today

[@cereid85cr]

Very surprised to see the Honda not get in the top 4. Congratulations to the winners but I would like to know the negative on why the last 4 didn't do so well.

[@MrDaysfan82]

I have a 15 Legacy......best 4 door sedan I have ever driven. The all wheel drive makes it a tank in rain and snow.

[@MacSaab93]

I own a 2012 Sonata and I recently drove a 2015 Sonata. Big difference. The 2015 steers better and the ride is so much more compliant. Much bigger back seat too which is important to me because I'm 6'3".

[@sammsmi101]

well if your driving why would you be worried about back seat

[@MacSaab93]

mike samms I often have friends and family in the car that have to sit behind me

[@mcximus]

My money would have been on the honda or mazda

[@danielmccoy8410]

I have say that I my self was once someone who did not like Hyundai but after doing my research and test driving a 2014 Hyundai Sonata I switched and bought a turbo Sonata and I love it. All of the other cars are great but the price and value is a big plus. Also after looking through driver feedback and consumer reports it showed that Hyundai has made a big uptick in the quality in their vehicles. I let the evidence speak for itself. People feed back is a big indicator of the product and that for now shows to be good and reliable.

[@mykullee]

4:07 Why did it show a Mazda6 engine when it was explaining the Passat specs? The editing fail. LOLOLOLL

[@michaelreece9106]

I would pick the Honda Accord first. . Mazda second . Passat third. Ford Fusion forth... And all the others I wouldn't even buy

[@michaelreece9106]

I Rented a Hyundai sonata to drive from Pennsylvania to Florida Last February. And i hated it the ride was shity road noise was horrendous the seat hurt my ass after 2 hours and with the cruise control set at 70 mile s an hour we barely got 28 miles to gallon. My Old accord get 34 mpg highway ..the only thing I liked about the car was the satellite radio that's .it was a 20 hour ride of hell

[@michaelreece9106]

I'm not biased I call it as I see it. I would never buy a Hyundai I just don't give a shit

[@michaelreece9106]

No I'll pass I'm going to buy a brand new honda accord. Sorry

[@michaelreece9106]

Lol no that's just the older ones...what like Kia or Hyundai don't have any recalls? ? All manufacturers have recalls . I buy cars I Don't lease them and I keep them for 10 + years my 2 Honda's have 200,000+ and they still run good and get better mpg than a new sonata yeah they may not have all the little creature comforts that the new cars have but Kia and Hyundai don't last as long as honda cars.

[@michaelreece9106]

I still don't care. I will never buy one of you crappy ass cars.i have drove them and there not the best cars out. there electric power steering blows there cheap and they Don't hold up over time. Everything is nice when it's new give ..and i don't care what the review say .I do my own personal review on what I like and don't like. Hyundai and Kia have come a long way but there's still a long way off in reliability and overall quality.

[@bbokdoong]

Motorweek reviewed New Sonata a few weeks ago and called it solid but no fun due to 9 sec 0-60 time. How did Sonata win this comparison? One reviewer even called it 'quick.' I guess I have to test drive it find out.

[@billwilmington8284]

The brand new 200 looks the most luxurious and the interior is magnificent. I was recently a passenger in the S model and the suspension is a bit stiff, but after a week I had gotten use to it. I understand why it didn't have a better rank because it's not a family sedan.

[@markwilliams6378]

Jordan Little I've seen a couple of the new 200's and I'm a fan . It really looks nice ,I just hope it's reliable

[@bradleymeyer9775]

Where is the 2015 Kia Optima?

[@newhamoksha1]

I believe the ranking is fair .

[@TimJoseph08031990]

In conclusion, the cars that sell well made to the bottom of the list, and the ones that don't sell well made it to the top of the list. I wish the Subaru Legacy was number one with the best reliability, Boxer engine, and Symmetrical AWD, but second place isn't bad. Usually cars that don't sell well tend to have higher quality interiors and more features. Consumer Reports would also agree with these rankings of mid-sized family sedans.

[@Y10Q]

Subaru just sold 500k cars. They are all the same shit. Same engine, same transmission , same platform, give or take a few inches. Reliability remains to be seen. Personally I don't trust em anymore. They went from 100k a year to 500k a year in just 5 years. So, they are probably cutting corners. I liked them when they made 100k a year, because back then workers had time to check their work. Now they probably don't have time to piss. So you imagine the quality will go downhill, just like Toyota's.

[@jtafoya88]

I prefer the Legacy over the Sonata, Subarus legendary safety plus the best in class accident prevent system Eye Sight is statenof the art

[@shottypimpin]

Y10Q Subaru makes smart investments and keeps their lineup small. Unlike the Toyota which has to keep new cars pumping out to satisfy investors, Subaru uses the same interior for outback/legacy and impreza/crosstrek. Their dollars are spent wisely in order to gain market share. I know Fuji Industries owns toyota and subaru but their business plan is very different. If you ever owned a subaru you'd know what you're missing

[@davidaubin3902]

Wow! Camry got 10th place, thats very disappointing, I guess most of the judges didn't like its bold styling. As for Honda Accord, 8th place?? Im guessing they didn't care for most of the buttons on the dash cause it didnt have a nav system, or they didnt like the ride quality, which is strange cause Accords are very quiet usually on the road. Now I understand the Sonata got 1st place, value and a lot of features for the money, but if the limited's price was a bit lower, with nav you'd get luxary touches for under 30 grand. Still I don't care for the styling it isn't as dynamic as the last gen, and more steering feel would be welcomed.

[@alvilla701]

1 Accord 2 Fusion 3 Altima 4 Sonata

[@jghanesh]

I was always under impression that Hyundai and Kias are cheaper and not good when compared to Malibu, Passat and Hondas. This review helped to at least test drive them. Thanks for review.

[@craig2web]

I prefer the Mazda 6 myself. To me, it's the best looking, and I believe it ties the Altima as the most fuel efficient gasoline non-hybrid. Have to give credit to Subaru for the their decent MPG with all wheel drive. The new Sonata looks too plain compared to the previous car, but it does appear to have an attractive interior.

[@weegers2444]

Accord sport with six speed manual with 189 hp should have been number 1

[@chuckers40]

What goes for the Hyundai Sonata will also go for the Kia Optima. (I prefer the Kia Models, better and sportier interior, better ride) I am surprised about the Mazda 6 placing 4th and the Ford Fusion, Toyota Camry, and Honda Accord not placing at all.

[@hnnotyy]

I'd take Honda, Toyota, Subaru, Mazda ,Chevy and then Chrysler. But then I would go for whomever could give me the best deal after word. Sorry I would stay away from VW, Nissan, Ford and KIA/Hyundai PRODUCTS why because I have had no luck and neither of family members have had either.

[@AnhYeuEmMaiMai69]

Another Legacy owner here as I have both a 2003 and 2014 model and both cars are rock solid. Subaru has come a long way in terms of fuel economy and comfort. Would not drive any of the other cars on that list...

[@Marco-ce8kr]

Personally, VW Passat is the best one, just need the 4Motion and will be even better

[@donkinbuck]

I drive a 2017 Hyundai Sonata....drives like a Cadillac and in 2,088 kilometers I used $136...6.4l/100k Beat that anyone else on the list!!!!

[@senorgato70]

Yeah, probably zero coincidence that the order of finish is almost identical to reverse order of sales.

[@jaderivers8939]

I would still choose the Ford Fusion.

[@cribs78]

Honda and Toyota all day long. The Camry is not as bad as this video made it seem. It has good tech options and is very easy to use and it has a ton of interior room. Other reviews praise the new Camry.

[@Sanpedranoazul]

I´d like to see the Optima on this contest.

[@bbokdoong]

Optima is based on the previous gen Sonata. New Optima is coming next year. It will probably be better than Sonata in design and function.

[@Sanpedranoazul]

+Sangmin Lee You're right

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[@shopwithaaron]

We have 2 Optimas and are just about to add our 3rd....we have had great luck and can't wait to get the 2017 SXL from CarMax they transferred from Fairfield CA to Reno NV for free in the next couple days!

[@brittoncoil2518]

You’re handsome

[@dwevors]

HYUNDAI? Have you lost your mind? Do a 100,000 mile recap on that decision! LoL

[@OhPhuckYou]

Guess you're stuck in the 90s. I have plenty of friends with Kia and Hyundai cars with well over 100K with zero problems.

[@jsiszero]

Does your typical family really value "fun to drive" cars? They just use these cars as appliances, nothing more.

[@prateeksrivastava386]

premium mid size sedan comparison ...

[@orbits2]

Keeping my 1996 floor shifter Lincoln Continental with the 260 HP Intech 32 valve overhead cam V8.

[@kma198199]

A 260hp v8?? Lol. Thats V6 numbers these days.

[@orbits2]

kma198199 yea but based on a Taurus frame back then and it has about 260 lbs of torque also which makes for a wide power band.Plus the motor can breath right with 32 valves. Imagine stuffing a 96 Ford Taurus with a 4.6 Any how the thing flies and believe it or not its more fun to drive than my old 88 5.0 liter Mustang 5sp. Dont have to mess with dead gears. Floor it and hold on I do see your point though

[@nathanpetrohilos]

kma198199 theyre detuned v8s they could do better but its meant to last forever

[@orbits2]

Nathan Petrohilos I would not want much better as the car stock as is is ferocious and being front wheel drive is a hand full if fronts arnt pointed straight ahead. I heard one of the best motors ever built As far as this test i pick the VW Passat

[@bbokdoong]

What MPG do you get? These new midsize cars get near 30 mpg on average. These cars may even be as quick as your Lincoln.

[@ossimjew]

I can never figure out why the camry always sells so well. Toyota's reliability has been nothing but down hill since the cost cutting starting around 2000. Toyota has not made a good car since the supra and LS400 of the 90's.

[@ossimjew]

***** Hyundai is still a nothing brand though, nothing prestigious about a Hyundai badge, I find it comical people spend close to $60,000 for their top of the range models, they are not a luxury brand and never will be. They really are not a very innovative company as well, they have given the auto industry basically no major innovation they just basically try to copy others and under cut in price and it works I'll give them that, but it does not mean I respect them.

[@ossimjew]

Andy Irish I'll tell you now my father bought a 2013 es350 brand new last April of 2013. I drove it twice, I've owned lexus before, I had a 92 ls400 great car best Toyota ever made. This so called lexus was so cheaply made it was pathetic. The body panels were of some very cheap sheet medal which the last straw for my father before he sold it was when he was washing it and the hood popped in on him and he was hardly applying any force. If you regulary service any car it will last many miles, especially since I'm assuming the 40,000km was mostly highway miles which really are not hard on the car at all. As for fuel economy, I have to say toyota is really lagging behind most american makes, my company car is a 2014 chevy Malibu with the 2.5l ecotec and I must say it may not be the fastest engine but it is the most fuel efficient car I have ever owned. Sitting in traffic the start stop feature really keeps my average mpg's high even though I get free gas on it.

[@ossimjew]

Andy Irish But the funny thing is GM has some of the longest lasting highest millage cars on the road. The suburban has the highest average millage of any other car on the road, my aunt had a suburban see would drive all over the country and got over 300,000 miles out of it. Don't tell me you don't see tons of 20+ year old fleetwoods, suburbans, blazers and other chevy trucks, they are everywhere in my town they last. people like to also bring up GM's recalls but I distinctly remember toyota taking heat a few years ago over random acceleration that caused some deaths as well. The 2008 cadillac STS I have has been very relaibe it just turned over 50,000 miles grant it, it is not my daily driver it may of had some minor problems but it has never failed to start. No car is perfect, every car I ever owned had things I did not like, even the LS400 I though had some cheap materials inside and the brakes would fade going down big mountains. Now performance and the toyota of now do not go together. They have not made a true sports car since the supra (the spider was a disgrace), for jap performance I'd go honda any day, more top end excitement and better power, I have a 2011 acura MDX as well that I love the 300HP 3.7L it is a true beast it will destroy an rx350 any day. My mailbu is not top trim since it is a fleet car but I did get a few options, partial leather seats, grey plastic wood stuff(actually looks really nice) and a touch screen with back up cam. I just feel as though toyota really has not been innovating much, you do have to admit the new malibu is quite an innovative car, were as the new camry was just mostly a redesign.

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[@arfer]

The only thing Hyundai/Kia need to do is win over the badge snobs. The products are obviously quality. Only outdated perceptions stand in their way. Remember how we all used to feel about Japanese cars? The times they are a changing....

[@greathey1234]

No they are not quality products. They are light years behind Mitsubishi's and Subaru's

[@eugeneparkerson8110]

+greathey1234 Your prejudice blinds and confuses your good judgment. It is time you need to listen to others. My 2001 Elantra has not 195K+ miles and going strong while still getting 34MPG as promised. Give the credit where it belongs.

[@xray111xxx]

+greathey1234 This why Mitsubishi is just about dead as a brand. They killed off the only exciting car in the line up the Evo! Subaru is amazing, but their interior still needs to catch up especially in the infotainment where they still kind of suck. I had a WRX, and a Legacy GT. Loved them both, but the Factory radio etc. were junk. Most fun I ever had in a long time were those 2 cars. Hyundai, and Kia are quality, but also underdogs compared to the known big names.

[@greathey1234]

Vincent Chen Older people like me appreciate these cars and no matter how good the Koreans have become I will still head to a Mitsubishi dealer

[@xray111xxx]

That's cool. That is the way it should be. Imagine if we all felt the same way about what to get. I would hate cars if that was the case. There is a ride just right for everyone. Though I still wonder what is Mitsubishi doing to excite us. I want to see more amazing cars like the Evo, and the 3000 GT of the day.

[@NZsarge1]

Interesting, a pity though that you didn't wait for the new Passat.

[@LEGIONOFVAPES]

The Camry felt cheap and was dead last but the Sonata at #1? That interior looks like it came from Fisher Price. C'mon, what a garbage review

[@goaway7192]

Hehe! I knew the Sonata was actually better than those guys including the 200, Legacy and Malibu

[@BMan100]

I will buy a Fusion again.. to hell with the 1.5 Ecoboost.. my 2012 SRT8 6spd Challenger... BEATS THE PANTS OFF OF IT!!... October 2015.. I am getting a SRT8 again.. ...or the 200.. it's so much nicer.. and better MPG when I drove it...

[@byungpark5263]

I hope Hyundai raise their standards higher so other nice cars in this group gets better. Some of these cars are nice for long driving chores in weekends. Before Hyundai cars were getting better some of these cars were really shitty for price. Now they're not thanks to Hyundai.

[@cargueone1971]

I have always loved Toyotas, however they have been on the cheap side. If I was to buy a mid size today it probably be the Sonata, Passat or 200

[@eugeneparkerson8110]

+Carlos Guevara Toyota Camry looks cheap for very good reasons. Toyota cuts corners.

[@eugeneparkerson8110]

+Carlos Guevara Toyota Camry looks cheap for very good reasons. Toyota cuts corners.

[@MEAMERIE]

Yesss Hyundai

[@ConstantineJoseph]

WHAT!!!!, Hyundai Sonata number 1??? Seriously? Subaru Boxer AWD 2.5, Legacy is soooo much better than that.

[@phychkar]

+Constantine Joseph Yes...seriously.

[@arrguitman]

This car review is a joke. The accord on 8th place? Cmon. The crap made it to the top and the good stuff was left at the bottom.

[@phychkar]

+arrguitman Time to step out of the 1990s and into actually trying something for yourself.

[@arrguitman]

Well I've tried the 2015 Accord and is comfortable, fast, practical, really nice on gas, refined steering, modern, and most of all realiable!. All that and much more compared to the other bunch in its class. And if you call that 90's, well im very happy to be stuck in the 90's then :)

[@jaskopdx6342]

Mazda was the sportiest but it didn't win because they are judging the cars based on the interior room and other bullshit that's irrelevant because how often do u see any of these cars full of people ? If it was based on how the car looks, built quality and how it drives, the list would be way different. Hyundai would be last on the list

[@RagingBad]

Why

[@natehiger410]

This video is bullshit, I had drive all of those cars before. I don't think they are saying the truth

[@RagingBad]

Do you work at Enterprise? Lol

[@natehiger410]

maximus10463 National....

[@DevPack]

wtf.