Mouse Cheese Commodore 64 | Nostalgia Nerd

Here we have an box of items, collectively known as "Mouse Cheese". The purpose of this box is to provide mouse capability to the humble C64, and give you a paint program to use it with. The mouse is (of course), the Mouse portion of this package, whilst the paint program is known as Cheese. What a wondrous thing. Oh, also, the mouse can also be used as a Joystick. Because, reasons.
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[@Dorelaxen]

Your rat is freakin' adorable. Also, make sure to put your floppy disk in the Chef Excellence cheese bags after use. Don't want it spoiling!

[@Redhotsmasher]

Stay fresh, cheese disk!

[@nickrollstuhlfahrerson8659]

An excellent cheese bag

[@mor4y]

A band called TTF (The Time Feequency) did a cover for one of their singles on a amstrad 6128 with a similar bit of software and hardware :) Amstrad Action did a article on it away back in the day....

[@emmettturner9452]

“There are some more things to click here. In any case I hope you have a -great evening- [mouse].” ...in an era when most of us will be using track pads and touch screens.

[@MrSpacelyy]

Acrylic paint works fine on Styrofoam

[@memememegaming]

An Excellent Product

[@FartTurd69]

This reminds me of the snes mouse

[@nityking1]

lasted 40 seconds

[@scatterkeir]

I miss Chef Excellence

[@2thinkcritically]

An Excellent Comment

[@kei_nishimaru]

An Excellent Reply

[@nickrollstuhlfahrerson8659]

An excellent chef

[@ct1660]

An excellent statement

[@nickrollstuhlfahrerson8659]

An Excellent thread

[@anumeon]

Whenever a chef is called exellent, a wild Ashens soon appear.

[@kidShibuya]

Its not "nye-on", its "ni-hon", which means Japan.

[@arposkraft3616]

anglons will never learn apperently

[@DeckardGames]

Is it any Gouda? Well done sir. Well done.

[@thedeadstig123]

hmmm someone stole a rat off octav1us kitten

[@acertainshape]

Do they live in the same town?

[@IceCreamKimi]

@@acertainshape I've got a strong feeling that they are secretly married. Which is fine. The only problem is whether to call Nostalgia Nerd "Nostalgia Kitten" or Octavius Kitten "Octavius Nerd". To be honest I don't think it's fair to call Octavius a nerd so I'm going with Nostalgia Kitten.

[@colinjohnston8519]

@@IceCreamKimi nurds don't mind being called nurds. Hence the name of this channel..

[@IceCreamKimi]

@@colinjohnston8519 What I was getting at is that when people get married one usually takes the surname of the other. So I was weighing up who should take the other's name. Octavius or Nerd? So I agree that nerds don't mind being called nerds (mostly). However I'm talking about Octavius. If she is a nerd though then I stand corrected.

[@IceCreamKimi]

@@octaviusking Sigh, what happened to the good old days when the guy got down on one knee, looked you in the eyes and said "I forged your signature on the marriage license. We're married"

[@TheUnflushable]

"Remove the sponge from the rear cver" at 5:32. Apparently proof reading wasn't a thing in the 80s? 😂

[@user-vn7ce5ig1z]

Also, "conent the cheese".

[@picklerick814]

"what else would you call a paint program?" uncomfortably long pause it's "paint"

[@arposkraft3616]

draw , sketch

[@arandomuser1723]

Funniest shit i've ever seen

[@drazen1529]

So Octavious rats do cameo appearance ;)

[@1973Washu]

I want a "pint" command for my computer. so that I can type it in any time I like and get a pint of lager. (kind of like a muffin button...)

[@DeadReckon]

Grafik Maus sounds like the name of a German EDM band.

[@StefanNoack]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2SXZ6mBpdibZ6c

[@DeadReckon]

@@StefanNoack ohgodwhy

[@crescentfresh8001]

"An Excellent Mousecheese"

[@Matty112uk]

Oh wow, I almost forgot about 'Mouse Cheese', at least in the sense I forgot its name. I had one of these with my Commodore C64c around Christmas 1988 or 89, I forget which. But What fond memories I have. Cheese was a pretty good little paint package too. The only game I remember using the Neos mouse for was Operation Wolf, as it was a heck of a lot easier than with the joystick!

[@bepowerification]

one question though: on the disk it says "SYS 16484" but you run it by "SYS 4096". why?

[@curiousottman]

Great video. Always love the content here. Quick note: the nomenclature for the Commodore mouse was never “one three fifty” or “one three five one”. Always “thirteen fifty” or “thirteen fifty one”.

[@robowarriorx]

Wow I never thought I would ever see another device with American SNES colors!

[@potatolol4579]

You wouldn't happen to have any more books in the works by any chance? I need more!

[@brannenthompson9662]

My Mum and Dad bought me the C64c Counesiour Collection for Xmas from Dixons for £299 and with a handful of blank cassettes and friends the in pack games didn't last long, Cluedo and Monopoly were ok though. I knew I'd seen that Mouse and cheese box somewhere in the thumbnail, oh the memories this has brought back, as always thanks NN.

[@arposkraft3616]

your word joke doesnt really work because Americans tend to pronounce "gouda" wrong, its not good-a , the sound doesnt really exist in the anglon speak but to change it to good would be massively off; its more like the sound of the german "Frau" if you cant imagine you can audio search that, Auwwhh we use the sound a lot , Oude Gouda kaas wou ik schouwen, de vrouw zag blauw van jou... o wait you do have it ; S-ou-nd ...there it is; Sound... thats the phonetic you use

[@supahfly_uk]

what a "cheesy" video :D

[@Liquidcadmus]

I never knew the C64 could even support a mouse. fascinating. I don't think there was that much use for it though, not much software.. was there?

[@wisteela]

I've got the tape version. It hasn't got the instructions, so it's interesting to find out about the different mode. Very nice to see Arkanoid supports it. I never could figure out the Image System.

[@emmettturner9452]

I have Arkanoid CIB floppy disk version for my C64 but the boxed Commodore-brand mouse I was sold with it is an Amiga mouse. :( Still, it supports ubiquitous paddle controllers so all is not lost!

[@InnSewerAnts]

Aww now I miss my 2 pet rats :'(

[@phrtao]

OMG I had one of these. I have not seen one for 30 years. You brought back some happy memories. (I even wrote my own version of "mac paint" for it .)

[@erwindewit4073]

Weird. An Octav1us rat with strange C64 cheese which is a graphics program? You Brits.....

[@somethingsmells5387]

Thank god the inventor of the mouse didn't call it a "nob".

[@Sam-lr9oi]

so many pointless arguments over who called whom a nobhead when you really just said nobpad

[@procactus9109]

How many times have you grabbed your nob

[@KuraIthys]

Hey, we have enough of those jokes already because of 'joystick' thanks. ;p

[@Raneru]

The Norwegian word for mouse is slang for vagina. But we have gotten so used to it so it is almost not funny anymore :(

[@dirkflannigan5271]

That would be Douglas Engelbart. Look up ‘mother of all demos’.

[@jubuttib]

@ roughly 2:12, is it really 512 microseconds? So it's written to the register almost 2000 times a second? Dang, that's not shabby, considering the default USB polling rate is only 125 Hz. I know, writing to registers at nearly 2000 Hz vs. polling rate on USB aren't the same thing, but still.

[@005AGIMA]

Your intro was very very funny. But in the interest of transparency you should know I'm 2 shots of rum in to my evening.

[@1337Shockwav3]

Can't say I ever cared about this mouse, nor do I find the branding anything but silly, but I think the VICE dev-team might actually be interested in this - friend of mine asked me about those neos mice a while ago. So feel free to contact them :)

[@KuraIthys]

So... Someone made a mouse for the c64 combnined with a drawing program, while Atari combined a drawing program with a graphics tablet, and their 8 bit systems never got a mouse (to my knowledge.) Of course, thanks to the wonders of the atari joystick interface, both the Atari 8 bit systems and the c64 can technically make use of Amiga and Atari ST mice if you write appropriate code, so... Eh. XD Dealing with old hardware has certainly reminded me how much I DON"T miss mouse balls... Ugh.

[@badkluster]

They missed the opportunity to name it MAUSX instead of Maus for MSX. Shame

[@sin3r6y98]

Those mouses look a lot like the atari ST mouses which use optical sensors, which also seemingly just die like this. Usually a it's capacitor / chip failure which can be fixed easily enough.

[@macartm]

Dear Mr Nerd, I hope no mice or rats were harmed in the making of this video, or we will be round to teach you a lesson in kindness. With baseball bats. Yours, Dave Spart People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals In Online Video Snippets Lower Neasden Branch

[@MrMargaretScratcher]

Mainly uses right mouse button? And I though Blender was the only program with a weird right-mouse-centric operation!

[@LeftoverBeefcake]

Doesn't Britain have a version of the Epyx Fast Load cartridge? It would make disk loading so much better. If y'all have a Final Cartridge 3 there's a turbo tape load function IIRC.

[@vinny142]

A spray? In a MOUSE? You Nuts boy? :-) The buttons are sealed, you cannot fix them with a spray. The ball is operated by shining a light through those two wheels at either side and spraying will just.. well do nothing except move some dirt around. The usual problem with these mice is that the buttons corrode inside (where the spray cannot get to it) and the ball becomes slippery so the wheels have no grip on it anymore.

[@dgennez]

Seems you're off 4 years about that connoisseur's collection box: nosher.net/archives/computers/comm64c. It was released in 1986, not in 1990.

[@YellowYoshi398]

Looks pretty neat. I've been meaning to find a 1530 so I can try out GEOS with the 64C I recently acquired.

[@ArcturusDeluxe]

Oh, I had this! I remember getting it in a car boot sale in the early 90s. The paint program was cool. I remember the C64 version of Operation Wolf had proper support for it too.

[@6581punk]

I still remember the day I got mine, my father bought it for me and I remember being in the car looking inside the box on the way home. I'd already gotten a printer before then so it was great to be able to print out pictures instead of text. I'd quite often draw and print out pictures for visitors. Was a damn sight better than a Koala pad anyway.

[@kcinplatinumgaming2598]

LOL I had one I bought it for £29.99 in stoke.. god knows here it went ... LOL

[@wanderingfool6312]

Had the floppy disk version, used the enhancer 2000 disk drive, not a sex aid, to load it. It was a bit of fun at the time, but Deluxe Paint on the Amiga a few years later, changed my world.

[@ridbensdale]

I had Cheese for my C64. Loved it! Great video as always. Have you done anything on GEOS at all?

[@ghostunix731]

The concept of this is bad because the C64 is not a true pc so its unfair to require hardware that uses up precious memory. Even if you had an early laptop ibm would not have tried integrating things like Microsoft network because it discriminates the demographic of customer and jumping the gun on hardware always results in embarrassing failure.

[@MSTL144]

I had this bundle! Got it as a kid as a reward for getting a wart removed from my thumb. Which meant the mouse hurt for three weeks. Worth it!

[@2thinkcritically]

There was someone offering a version of this for the Tatung Einstein. It was the same mouse but with an adapter and software written for the Einstein. I tried to get hold of it in the early 90s through B&H Computers but they couldn't get hold of the mice anymore :(

[@GorgusGFX]

Had exactly that mouse in the day. The softvare was crap but the mouse was wonderful to use in other programs. Such a difference compared to a joystick or keyboard.

[@IDPhotoMan]

Not sure if you mentioned it in the video, but would a 1351 work with that Cheese software? Seems the Neos mouse is nearly a 1351 in brown mousy clothing.

[@SlavomirG]

Mouse and cheese. What lovely simple times. Fast forward 20+ years later and what we get? Two girls and one cup.

[@kyouhyung]

Manufactured by Nihon Electronics Company. Could it be possibly the NEC that we know now?

[@geckoo9190]

Well this brings back memories... actually it doesn't, by the time that I started to use computers you only had to plug the mouse on a ps2 port. All this looks like a hell of compatibility to me and I was an early user of palm computers, what is to say a lot.

[@smithwesson5511]

Nice video, very interesting. Is this a mouse for left-handed people? Why are the buttons reversed?

[@AntneeUK]

Minor detail, but that's not Styrofoam. Styrofoam is blue. That's expanded polystyrene

[@SpeccyHorace]

"Yea, Michael I'm just gonna get a GINSTER'S from the FRIDGE, put it on the SLATE!"

[@TheClanAdventures]

Im sorry that I have to be the barer of bad news but I think your mouse is dead.

[@megazenn22]

cheese, petrol

[@hickey1292]

Underrated comment.

[@rashidisw]

Ah the 80s where computer mouse packages are bundled with paint-like program.

[@KaroKoenich]

You call that plastic-encased junk in the intro "cheese"? Come on, Britain has so many great cheeses.

[@tziirkq]

NN, how does Arkanoid with a mouse stack up against Arkanoid with a paddle?

[@MrStephen182]

That was too big to be a mouse, it was a rat. I know that because I got some pet rats. Was it a rat of a certain person who has a youtube channel and likes PS1 games?

[@UltimatePerfection]

It's not that the right button does drawing and you feel weird for using it that way, it's that the software was made for lefties and you use it with the wrong hand.

[@mrlithium69]

playing arkanoid on mouse vs joystick sounds like cheating... if you can move faster

[@sydmichel]

From your accent, you should be calling it polystyrene. Are you a traitor to your heritage? Or is it more lucrative to pander to the colonials?

[@MorreskiBear]

I was kind of hoping he woulda grabbed that rat and slid it around the desk and tried to click it...

[@MuscarV2]

Is that Violife vegan cheese at the very start of the video? I'm addicted to that, especially the smoked variant!

[@arposkraft3616]

you should stop complaining about tape load times, i mean brits grew up with it but it was never the ideal format to store software on, i hope you do understand

[@joeblow6037]

The styrofoam story was great! My experience was trying to spray paint a large styrofoam airplane. Memories

[@jimboAndersenReviews]

Cheese, pet rat, cheese, pet rat. -Livia my t´fat tabby cat highly approves :3

[@merlinathrawes6191]

Sooooo, who remembers the genuine cheese in Mercenary then? No mouse needed there!

[@sundhaug92]

Mouse cheese, or rather mouse trap cheese, is something you can actually buy in Norway

[@Gigidag77]

I thought this video would feature a mouse that looled like a piece of cheese...

[@kailomonkey]

Maybe you had to hold the mouse button to put it into joystick mode for the tape version?

[@willproctor7301]

The good old days when you could fix your mouse by cleaning your balls.

[@DeisFortuna]

Huh. I'd have figured it would work like a pair of paddles.

[@EscapeMCP]

God, i had this and totally forgot until now. Dunno why I got it as I can't draw.

[@SomeBlokeOrWhatever]

Now review your pet mouse. That's a cute lil' animal.

[@KingofPotatoPeople]

Please use the Cheese version of your logo over Christmas.....

[@Sash_Window]

Is it compatible with Operation Wolf?

[@thedungeondelver]

Ah, UK C64 users and their cassette software. I think I was the last datasette/cassette-to-computer user I knew.

[@LeeBondo]

thedungeondelver I had Speccy, C64 and Amstrad CPC at different times in my youth but I was still using my Green Screen cpc464 as my main gaming computer in about 1993!

[@danehenry895]

😂😂 Making the Nerd logo kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGbdn4Bra9Gafdk

[@durodrkafon3569]

did you hear about "GEOS" for the C64?.........

[@dobythedog]

You mean 'polystyrene' I think!

[@Monkey_SK]

Pint Screen!? Will if you insist, bottoms up!

[@thedungeondelver]

I had a 1351 and GEOS; I also used it to play a few "desktop" type games, Origin Software's OGRE in particular. It had drop-down menus, etc., you could context click on units on screen, etc. Very mac-like.

[@itsaPIXELthing]

Nice :)

[@uns3en]

You can pixel with megadrive controller

[@Ohmloud]

Did you caled that rat a mouse? Mouse hate when people do that.

[@JohnCena-iw2vk]

i need more of that rat, please use the boy in more videos.

[@ecash00]

I used a trackball...Clear with lights..

[@hazy33]

I thought it was brie-lliant.

[@davidboucher99]

It's as Gouda-s it gets.

[@hazy33]

@@davidboucher99 sadly the Gouda gag is used in the thumbnail. Must try harder ;)

[@davidboucher99]

@@hazy33 Oops! I missed that. I will try to compose my replies more Caerphilly in future. ;)

[@gianluca.g]

yes, he's a Muenster

[@thiesenf]

Now thát was cheesy

[@draketungsten74]

Heh, I played that Super Copter game today.

[@fragalot]

um... isn't that a RAT? It's not a mouse mate..

[@Zizzily]

Who moved my Mouse Cheese?

[@Dariushellstrome]

I wish there was a laugh icon, that book drove me nuts at a previous job

[@Zizzily]

@@Dariushellstrome Yeah, it was like an odd office cult in the early/mid-2000s. That and stuff like six sigma.