MovieBob Reviews: Dumbo

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[@ShinigamiSparda]

“Dumbo 2: Bioshock”. I’m a fanfic writer that practically specializes in crossovers, and I never thought I’d hear something so insane.

[@Xtra_Medium]

Anything you want to recommend?

[@ShinigamiSparda]

@@Xtra_Medium Like, ones I've written or just in general?

[@Xtra_Medium]

Yes

[@ShinigamiSparda]

@@Xtra_Medium Ok, um... there's one called "A Fantasy of Utter Ridiculousness" that's a M.E.G.A.S XLR an Touhou crossover. You should be able to find it on fanfiction.net

[@Xtra_Medium]

Neat

[@PhilosophyTube]

I'm still holding out for live action Treasure Planet

[@yabbadabbindude]

Philosophy tube!

[@ihaveasecret9539]

Olly in the wild

[@lauratatum509]

We can only dream

[@nannaleifa]

Disney is still desperately wanted us to forget that era (early 2000s). Not moving the merchandise machine enough!

[@two_owls]

What is this, a cross-over episode? #mrpeanutbutter

[@duncanshepherd1631]

Disney live action adaptations are the Disney direct-to-video sequels of today.

[@NoobLord9001]

how dare you insult the direct-to-video trash by comparing it to this nonsense!

[@bigcas78]

Yet somehow feeling like even more of a pathetic cash grab

[@tskmaster3837]

This would be a great and telling statement if these movies weren't making mint at the box office.

[@Kekkersboy]

@@tskmaster3837 The Disney Direct to DVD films made a mint as well, that's why they kept making them.

[@MrTBoneSF]

The "let's get ready to Dumbo" makes sense when you know this is from the same screenwriter who put giant wrecking ball testicles on a robot in Transformers 2. Based on that movie (with Skid Marks and Mud Flaps) there probably was an earlier draft with the crows intact.

[@TheGreenestGoblin]

Hey. He gets $5 million for saying it. So...who really wins here?

[@KristinVTaylor]

Certainly not us.

[@JohnnyBurnes]

The crows were gangstas. I'd bet on it!

[@oof-rr5nf]

"I am directly below the enemy's scrotum" Never seen a Transformers film. Seen Lindsay Ellis's entire series talking about it tho. She used the clip of the robot balls some five million times. A legend.

[@Evilgidgit4Ever]

Dumbo's short time length was also due to budget limitations and an animators strike on at the time.

[@oof-rr5nf]

Today I Learned!

[@raggedcritical]

I wonder if Lindsey Ellis is going to do a follow up: Thanks, I *really, really* hate it.

[@dynostretch9215]

I haven't seen her reviews since The Craft, did she ever get funny again?

[@Omnicrom]

@@dynostretch9215 No because she instead chose to become a high quality, eloquent video essayist who wrote and produced sharply excellent works on a number of topics.

[@oof-rr5nf]

@@dynostretch9215 Definitely don't miss her analysis of Bright. It is like an hour long and I have seen it three times. It is so, so well written.

[@johnvinals7423]

Personally, I prefer the title “Just...why????”

[@alistor3777]

Dont forget the scene where black people were working on the railroad and they were singing about how happy they were about being slaves

[@propheci]

Nice. I knew this would be a problematic adaption, but wow...

[@casir.7407]

is that scene from the original movie really in the remake? that sounds improbable even for disney...

[@alistor3777]

@@casir.7407 Unfortunately it isn't because if it was that would be the greatest shitstorm the world would ever know

[@limorshakar8952]

MInute MAN Yeah or the Crows birds were actually representing Jim Crow laws and the KKK 🙃 so Disney was def cruel or dark

[@MattMcIrvin]

I think Dumbo (original) is actually more racist than Song of the South, though maybe not as racist as some of the deleted material from Fantasia.

[@muraalia]

Just came from the cinema. Ok, I'm a really easy audience. I'm entertained by almost any movie I bother to go see, there's always something I like. But I was *so bored* watching Dumbo. Something in the atmosphere was missing, not enough cute animals, and I didn't manage to care about the humans and their unbelievably boring drama at all. What a waste of time.

[@paradoxacres1063]

Danny DeVito should be the new *Wolverine* for the MCU's version of X-Men. #LivinDeVitoLogan

[@jordansweet8054]

No,nobody needs that.

[@AlexReynard]

That pun is so hideous I think I just got a premonition of my own death.

[@oof-rr5nf]

This hashtag singlehandedly made my day.

[@112steinway]

Dumbo meets Bioshock: "Is an elephant entitled...to the sweat of his ears?"

[@Hawbitten]

"No says the Elephant in the Circus, it belongs to the crowds!"

[@DoggosintheHouse]

My main memory of the original movie was when little Dumbo was brought to visit his chained and imprisoned mother and they play that song "Baby of Mine" and I'm letting go with the big, heaving sobs watching this poor creature denied the love of his Mom..... then I see the remake's version of the song on KZbin and it's an upbeat dream sequence with pretty much zero of the emotional depth of the first film... and now I'm like "fuck you very much for sanitizing my childhood, Disney".

[@endel12]

Baby Mine has to be one of if not THE saddest scene in Disney history. I’d put it above even That One Scene in the Lion King.

[@armstrongjosh]

See the movie before making that judgment. But if your mind is already set...SPOILERS.......the "Baby Mine" scene is in the movie, slow version and all. After a massive tragedy strikes the circus, its performers are sitting by a campfire at night, and one of them is singing a beautiful acoustic version of the song as Dumbo visits his mother.

[@baronterror]

"Oh, what the" definitely. the live action 101 movies are already a perfect Cruella movie. It's embarrassing that they have not realized the next one they need to do is "Ursula"

[@doppelrutsch9540]

Idea: Given that Ursulas look was based on a drag queen at the time she should also be played by a drag queen in a life action version that makes her more sympathetic.

[@oof-rr5nf]

@@doppelrutsch9540 YES!!!!!!!!!!

[@nick-playercharacter8583]

My sister is a huge fan of the original Dumbo. She's now on suicide watch.

[@jackrubyultima]

"Let's get ready for Dumoboooo!" ....that's actually sounds kinda cute to me.

[@archer1949]

Didn’t Glenn Close already play Cruella Di Vil? Twice? Is this an origin story?

[@antoniopossidoniocamposnet1324]

Yes

[@archer1949]

Antonio Possidonio Ugh...

[@shindean]

Disney: "We can do another Cruella movie without Glenn Close!" People: 😐 "We clearly didn't ask for this!"

[@BATCHARRO]

Can't wait to learn how the dogs were in the wrong all along.

[@Wiccanwolf08]

@@BATCHARRO Yeah, see, wha ha happened was... Anita and Cruella were best friends as children. Sleepovers, camping trips, summer fun, all that. Then, one day, while the children were running a lemonade stand, a stray dog was spotted across the street. Anita wanted to coax the dog over but Cruella protested, claiming the dog would simply knock things over. Anita ignores this and calls over the dog. The mutt makes a beeline for Anita, jumping on her. Its tail gets caught on the tablecloth and it pulls the cloth and the lemonade supplies to the ground, splashing on Cruella, drenching her clothes and causing her eyes to sting. When she yells at Anita, Anita simply defends the dog and walks away with it. As Cruella watches her friend skip away, feeling the double sting of betrayal and lemon, a deep hatred for animals is born. She decides to go into the world of fashion, not because of a love in clothing or designs, but to inflict harm on animals while still remaining within the boundaries of the law.

[@Getwright-]

At least this remake isn't just "the first movie, but with a filter on it" like some of these are (looking at you beauty and the beast)

[@novadselir1068]

“Sometimes dead is better” is the only thing I thought of when this movie was announced.

[@TrueYellowDart]

Dumbo returning from the dead sounds like a waaaaaay more interesting film.

[@patsg1146]

Actually, my first question, when I think about this movie is "Does he get drunk?".

[@muraalia]

No :(

[@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770]

then it's shit

[@calumbishop7082]

No but I think the director did. That or some psychotic drug.

[@MattMcIrvin]

@@calumbishop7082 It's called being Tim Burton.

[@JMarchel]

So Dumbo meets Tomorrowland for Goths?

[@MattMcIrvin]

I was wondering if this movie was somehow Burton's swipe at Brad Bird.

[@jordansweet8054]

@@MattMcIrvin Because Birds the best animation director working today and Burton,while talented,is mostly a punchline these days? (I actually enjoyed that Mrs. Pregrines movie)

[@SirPaladin]

are the Dumbo crows more racist than the Peter Pan natives? feels like there's no "winner" ANYWHERE in that argument...

[@nifralo2752]

At least the crows are nice and help Dunno. The Indians in Peter Pan try to burn the kids alive

[@adamsmart1075]

As a adult now, I feel that Peter Pan is much more problematic and racist than Dumbo. I haven't seen Dumbo in years but even now I think the crows are fun characters (and you can't take When I See An Elephant Fly away from me 😁).

[@mortified0]

The natives are worse, because there's not an entire song dedicated to a racial slur for the crows.

[@Omnicrom]

You're totally correct, there is no winner. Whoever is "better" is still a racist caricature.

[@SuperKidSonic]

@@adamsmart1075 Give me 5 hours and some lobotomy tools and I can try.

[@propheci]

Not only should burton stop making films, Disney needs to stop doing live action adaptations...

[@limorshakar8952]

Wings of Prophecy Correct, But after Aladdin 😉! Maleficent I loved or enjoyed ... it was a spin to the original but yeah I mean Beauty and the Beast was nothing special or unique animation beat it cold casting was poor I mean who was the prince 🤴 he seemed like a teen or child not a grown , powerful, responsible king who is control of an entire kingdom. Also, I think Lion King will be bland even if Queen Bee 🐝 stars in it and I heard they want to make Little Mermaid into a live film so be also so-so and based on many reviews Dumbo is short of stellar so animation is clearly the best and they should stop taking classy movies and making a live one that is worse!

[@EmperorPylades]

Not until I get my remake of Hunchback without the stupid gargoyles

[@davidv4018]

Disney should stop hiring Burton. Burton should make the movies he wants to.

[@MegamiShin]

"Eviler" PT Barnum? Geez, that's pretty bad.

[@bingbangbong5055]

This video was bookended at both ends by actual adverts for Dumbo

[@rotwang2000]

Tim Burton started to make unnecessary additions to existing premises, now he just lets rip with the high-powered bloat hose.

[@LinkMarioSamus]

Agreed, but I want to mention how Roger Ebert somehow gave higher ratings to Burton's Planet of the Apes, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and Alice in Wonderland than he did to Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, and both Batman films. I kind of see how knowing the way he reviewed films but it's still bizarre.

[@9Godslayer]

Long story short: it suffers from most of the same problems that Alice had.

[@christiansager4574]

The crows were one of the best parts of the old movie. Change my mind.

[@SakuraGirl21]

“Alright what’s next?” I thought it would cut to a shot of Maleficent 2, because yes that is happening.

[@jordansweet8054]

Am I the only one who liked that movie? I'd watch a sequel.

[@princeofalltoasters8813]

The child actor for the daughter kind of sucked. I don't know if it was bad direction or what, but her entire character was "Deadpan Lisa Simpsom" and didnt emote ONCE, while the kid playing the brother was giving it his all

[@louisduarte8763]

Ouch. And Lisa is the worst Simpson. At least Marge is sometimes funny by accident.

[@drawingconclusions3489]

Yes, the little girl playing Millie was a wooden nightmare.

[@GaiashKetoji]

I wouldn’t blame her, she wasn’t exactly given much to work with.

[@drawingconclusions3489]

@@GaiashKetoji That's true. And it's hard to know how much poor direction may have played into it as well.

[@mesektet5776]

I sure have seen everything, but I ain’t about to see that elephant fly.

[@MrGoblin1000]

Why didn't they just make the movie about how horrible circuses where for animals and have Dumbo uses his powers to escape with the other animals?

[@Sylocat]

They did. That's literally the climax of the movie.

[@armstrongjosh]

Another negative comment from someone who hasn't even seen the movie.

[@timothybradshaw3896]

you leave captain planet out this! that mans a national, no, international treasure!

[@chriscorley6478]

Dumbo (1941) totally rocks! Classic Disney animation. Always a favorite. ☕🤗

[@mdstevens0612]

I mean, it certainly is a movie alright.

[@carloscaro9121]

"Insincerely woke" is an absolutely wonderful description.

[@Jayfive276]

And yet the dopey fuckbois that make up a chunk of Bob's viewers on his escapist videos wail on him for being some shreiking "SJW". He's called out diversity-for-the-sake-of-it like this in reviews before.

[@daimonatkins3046]

5:36-5:39 Ok now I want a video about moviebobs feelings towards that

[@ThePa1riot]

Can’t say I agree Bob. I just got back from this movie and I was over the moon for it. Which no one is surprised more than me because the trailers did not inspire confidence in me. Of course Dumbo never looks convincingly like he’s really there and the world seems warped and surreal, it’s a Tim Burton movie set backstage to a circus. This was never going to be Glengarry Glen Ross or even the Jungle Book. Dumbo’s connection with the family is genuine and they even reinvent the magic feather beat from the original by tying it in with the daughter holding on to the key her Mom left for her. That’s a clever retake on the concept because it’s no longer the mouse just telling Dumbo it’s a placebo but the girl herself has to let go of her own magic feather in order for Dumbo to fly. They even give Dumbo a bonafied hero moment at the end. Something I didn’t know I wanted until I had it. Not only was seeing Dumbo “buzz the tower” and actually save his surrogate family from danger just a delight to witness, it grants him agency he didn’t have in the original. All that stuff about diversity, anti-capitalism, and all that. It reminds me of what you said about in your Tarzan movie review. I honestly didn’t even register it until you brought it up. Not to accuse you of anything. Could it just be though you’re bringing baggage into this movie that just doesn’t have a place for it? I loved it and I really wasn’t expecting to.

[@Jayfive276]

"Could it just be though you’re bringing baggage into this movie that just doesn’t have a place for it?" And you were this [ ]close to making a counter-argument without being a dick about it. And you blew it.

[@ViveLRoi]

I've read that one way to interpret this is that Dumbo's arc is a stand-in for Tim himself being taken advantage of by Disney. Doesn't exactly make it good, but makes the weird plot decisions make more sense.

[@RealCoolGuy]

I had absolutely no desire to see this film whatsoever...until I saw this review! Michael Buffer cameo?? I'm in!

[@jondoe7036]

Just saw it and honestly, this is my favourite of the live-action Disney remakes so far, for whatever that is worth. I'm just enough of a sucker for the specific kind of cuteness baby Dumbo represents for the film to basically melt my heart every time he was on screen and I was invested in other characters and overarching story enough, that it didn't feel like a complete waste of time the same way Junglebook-remake did, nor did it completely spit in the face of the original version's story and premise the same way that Maleficent did. So yeah, can't say I'd agree with Bob on this one.

[@armstrongjosh]

Thank goodness someone else here feels that way. I'd give it a score of 3 out of 4 stars. It's good, not great, but solid.

[@TheOriginalEdFry]

Christ I thought you were kidding about that on Twitter 😆 Well that intro is everything I need to know, maybe I can squeeze in another Us viewing before Shazam 🤔

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

"alright whats next" *mufasa dies again* WHAT THE F-

[@alejandromolina7270]

"Don't sell out, rebell against the man." Walt Disney will never approved of this.

[@KeyBladeMaster-Dan]

When I see an elephant FLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!!!!!

[@CitanulsPumpkin]

Wait! They're making a movie about Emma Stone murdering puppies? I didn't know that was the one thing I needed to make my life complete, but now that I know I realize it's the only thing I've ever wanted.

[@chakkerzo_o8911]

Although it is grim and dark with not that much to look at (which reminds me of my childhood experiences going to the circus, in retrospect) the story seemed quite coherent and Dumbo is cute. I still feel the movie is overall depressing (not just because what happened at the time this is set, but what continues to happen) but when it’s happy it is quite beautiful (emotionally).

[@deadpooh3552]

Why is Disney spending money on remaking such classics? Couldn't they just re-release the originals in theaters?

[@stevethepocket]

Hold up. A talented circus outcast wins over the hearts of the people and then gets recruited by an unscrupulous industrialist? That's... that's the plot of "Dropsy".

[@connla]

As the first film you are reviewing that I've actually worked on this is a whole new series of feelings about your criticism....or it would be if it didnt pretty much line up with my own series of feelings of the film as I worked on it. Though I did learn a little fact that Tim Burton hates mice, hence why the mouse was removed from the film aside from a few brief cameos

[@drawingconclusions3489]

We missed Timothy Mouse. And Dumbo, who was not in the movie nearly enough, which is strange considering it bears his name.

[@TARINunit9]

Can you even call this a remake if you're not using the same characters, not using the same plot, and not using the same antagonist? Even traditional reboots have more in common with this supposed "remake"

[@mynameisgrundle8157]

Since I doubt Disney is even using that terminology with these movies I wouldn't worry about the semantics if reviewers are calling it taht

[@armstrongjosh]

So many comments here suggest a lot of you haven't even seen the movie. Tim Burton's Dumbo is pretty much half remake, half sequel. Its first act or two has pretty much the same plot as the original.

[@TARINunit9]

@@armstrongjosh I admit I haven't, that's why I didn't comment on the QUALITY of anything. Rather I'm complaining about the marketing. We live in an age where proper marketing can make or break your product. Need I remind you of the Nintendo WiiU? And Live-Action Dumbo is marketing itself as a remake of 1941 Dumbo when it really isn't. It doesn't have talking animals, and it drastically changes the "Rudolph plot" that 1941 Dumbo was playing dead-straight, in both theme AND conclusion if Bob is to be believed. This isn't the expectations of a remake, this is the expectations of a reboot

[@longlivethesheet4561]

Why is it that Disney wants to make Jungle Book 2016 the peak of their live-action films?

[@Volvagia1927]

Repeat after me: PETE'S. DRAGON.

[@drawingconclusions3489]

@@Volvagia1927 Pete's Dragon is boring. The new one. The original rocks.

[@malcontent79]

OH WHAT THE- bahahahahahahahahahahahaha Yeah I already wasn't gonna see this but thanks for cinching it for me. The thing is, I really feel like there's something about this time period and this sort of setting that could really pay off if only someone could figure out the formula. We keep getting glimpses of it (Carnivale, Mrs. Peregrine's, others that escape my mind just now - hell, Pan's Labyrinth, sorta) so we can see clearly that filmmakers know this and are trying. I myself am sort of wracking my brains trying to think of a property that could do this. Post WWI is a tremendously evocative time. Between the Roaring 20s and the Great Depression/Dustbowl 30s is such a fucking rollercoaster of teetering on the edge of technology while still keeping a foot in the dust, where whimsical fantasy pairs with dire straits... I hope someone figures it out, because I'm interested. There's got to be a video game or novel series. I know it. Like some post WWI magic-steampunk sort of deal.

[@jondoe7036]

"There's got to be a video game or novel series. I know it." I think Shadow Hearts might be something along the lines you're thinking of here. I haven't played it myself, but it's an urban-fantasy RPG-series taking place during and after World War I. From what I've heard, it's also really good.

[@Minam0]

“He’s supposed to be Thomas Edison.” Oh god he’s going to electrocute Dumbo, isn’t he?

[@o76923]

That's exactly where I thought that was going. The current wars and shocking an elephant...

[@vazak11]

Thanks for your work as always!

[@IAmGeorgeLucas]

Tim Burton hasn't made a good movie since Big Fish, change my mind

[@varmintx0]

I thought Big Eyes was pretty good, but, come on, Sweeney Todd was great.

[@Sylocat]

You're not in much of a position to preach there, George.

[@tawdryhepburn4686]

He hasn’t made a good movie since “MARS ATTACKS!” ?

[@Mandrake42]

@@varmintx0Yep, Sweeney Todd was good stuff!

[@mediaguyking7045]

I’m waiting for Disney to make a old yeller remake or sequel, because it’s only a matter of time

[@Mandrake42]

I would watch that if Yeller died at the ender of the first half and then the second half was him coming back as essentially "zombie Cujo".

[@allisonwilhelm1308]

Your take on this, especially with regards to whether people should take the kids, reminds me of the live action Pinocchio that came out in the 90's. Similar idea, take a twisted Disney classic and make it even weirder, and I remember being like 6 years old and just haunted by that thing.

[@louisduarte8763]

Disney made a live action Pinocchio? I must have blocked it from my mind if it was THAT bad.

[@erraticonteuse]

@@louisduarte8763 Yeah, it was called Age of Ultron 😉

[@BlargleWargle]

Can you please do a video just summarizing every old Disney movie the same way you just did Dumbo?

[@AlexGreat321]

They should have got Tim Burton to do Pinocchio. That would have been interesting

[@kingkoopa3000]

I'm sorry but i cant get over how creepy dumbo looks in this film. Those staring , glassy eyes, that synthetic skin...brrrr. And when he has the clown make up on? Legit terrifying, sir.

[@goodmachines7743]

Another fair review, Bob. Good job!

[@smjaiteh]

Dumbo 2: Bioshock, but instead Michael Keaton plays Frank Fontaine, Armin Shimmerman reprises Andrew Ryan, and you replace Jack (the player character) and the Big Daddys with Dumbo and pink elephants, respectively.

[@NoobLord9001]

this except keep the big daddys and have the big elephants be plasmid hallucinations.

[@tpeluso]

Thank you for giving this one the reaming it deserved. I still want to know who at Disney thought green-lighting this was a good idea.

[@Mister-Thirteen]

Wow, Bob we have our differences but I can't say you didn't hit the nail on the head with this one. What a cluster fuck.

[@neilprice513]

Tim Burton would have been a better choice to make a live action version of "The Black Cauldron" and he could attempt to fix some of the films glaring flaws, as the original was a good idea, it was just hampered by odd ideas that didn't work. Burton making a movie as "light hearted" and "sweet" as Dumbo is just bizarre. It would be as odd as if Walt Disney made a slasher horror film back when he was alive.

[@MattMcIrvin]

There was a time when Burton could do lighthearted whimsy! "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure" was his. Of course, even that has its goofy horror turn with Large Marge.

[@AngryIrishBenjamin]

Well, not exactly a glowing review. But I remember coming away from Venom with a very different take from Bob, so I'll wait and see for myself.

[@DeanIrvine]

Truthfully the only live action I care about is lilo and stitch. That at least will be visually appealing I hope

[@MilkyWayGrump]

I've heard Great Mouse Detective is in line too, I'm eager for that one just so that people have a reason to return to the original and give it the love it deserves

[@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770]

oh come on! the crows weren't that bad! they weren't, right?

[@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770]

yeah, they weren't that bad.

[@drow_Lilith9940]

I just got back from watching this movie and i found super charming

[@alphasinner853]

There are no dark skin black girls in the movie so its worth watching. Tim Burton understands dark black females are ugly and not important

[@Gunleaver]

"Should I take my kids...is it too scary?" "Probably not." So, probably not too scary, or probably not take my kids? Super helpful, Bob.

[@Jayfive276]

The rest of the review answers the "Should I take my kids" question. As in "No, take them to see something better."

[@Gunleaver]

@@Jayfive276 They're kids. They don't give a damn. The issue was the scariness, which is a bit more relevant to taking kids than quality. Kids liked the Minions movie, for example.

[@michaeljohnson4613]

Your best review this year I laughed so hard keep up the good work

[@GeahkBurchill]

Wait? Is MovieBob complaining about ‘forced diversity’ and a studio try-harding for ‘Woke Brownie Points’?

[@LinkMarioSamus]

I'm pretty sure he did in a way that didn't imply the film would be better if the cast wasn't diverse, unlike most who make such arguments.

[@ben2741]

Disney designing things by committee? Maybe, just MAYBE you might understand what people have a problem with Star wars

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

Of all the things The Last Jedi was, safe and predictable were not it.

[@Klamath2046]

Live-action remakes are not the way to show you are more inclusive or progressive than you, and everyone else, were back in the day, Disney. You do than by moving forward and making cinematic masterpieces like you used to. Or a live-action Kingdom Hearts film. I’d camp for days to see that.

[@BartvG88]

I’m gonna see it because it’s free, and dumbo 2: bioshock sounds like a hilarious mess

[@Dorin322]

Bioshock directed by Tim Burton. GENIUS !!!! And eva green will be tenenbaum

[@star88wars]

That would be nuts but I want Tim Burton as production disigner. I'm mean I like his style but his direction

[@charronfilms]

Josh Gad is the new Hunchback. If they use notes from the German disney play instead of the movies ending, then im good.

[@charronfilms]

Actually, Cruella is possibly a prequel or a soft reboot of the 90s Dalmation remake. Glenn Close is producing the new one.

[@moviebobcentral]

Officially it's some kind of prequel set in the 70s with a young Cruella (not yet named that, apparently?) as the protagonist. It's meant to be a "villain origin" with some sort of "female Oliver Twist" angle (they want Nicole Kidman to play the nemesis, some kind of wealthy baroness or criminal) and something will supposedly happen in the course of it to cause not-yet-Cruella to "hate dalmations" and possibly drive her mad.

[@Marylandbrony]

Considering the time period. They really dropped the ball by not giving Danny Devito the chance to say the N-word.

[@BubblesTheBard]

I was actually looking forward to this one.

[@DeepEye1994]

The '90s were Burton's golden era, in the 2000s he still made Corpse Bride, Sweeney Todd and Big Fish, and in the 2010s his only watchable films were Frankenweenie and Big Eyes... Either he should just retire, or just really take his time and do something original. I realized *A LOT* of his works are adaptations, he's at his best when he cooks up stuff like Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands and Nightmare Before Christmas.

[@marikotrue3488]

Unusual for me, I did not see this Disney movie. As problematic as some, well maybe more than some, scenes in Dumbo (1941) are, "old" Dumbo still holds a childhood fondness that I do not want wiped away leaving a disappointed adult. My typical response to a movie that I am curious about, but do not wish to pay theater prices to see is, I will wait until it comes to Netflix. Well that is not going happen.

[@OnDavidsBrain]

Dumbo 2: Bioshock where Micheal Keaton is Andrew Ryan only he's making a circus instead of a city. Now I love Bioshock don't get me wrong, but god damn it this is why people should stop letting Tim Burton do these live action remakes. Did Alice in Ünderland teach Disney anything? Or even the Charlie and the Chocolate factory and Planet of the Apes remakes?

[@erraticonteuse]

They really missed an opportunity to pull an M'baku with the crows. Crows are the smartest fucking birds on the planet and it's terrifying and awesome. They could have done more of the original story and made the crows like Futurama's Harlem Globetrotters, just a bunch of black geniuses figuring out seemingly impossible aerodynamic challenges.

[@lishuss]

Wait, if Keaton is basically Edison, it should be much more worrying that he wasn't an elephant...

[@patrickrowan6001]

"as its a tim burton movie it's super over designed and grim and weird looking you might be fooled into thinking something interesting is happening but, no, no it isn't" So basically like Batman Returns. Cool. Don't @ me.

[@urdnotstark8270]

Why would you say something so controversial and yet so brave?

[@V4Now]

Yeah, but it somehow stayed a good movie 😄

[@patrickrowan6001]

Batman returns sucks kids, bout as boring and stupid as anything else burton has dumped on us Do not understand why it's talked about fondly.

[@QwertyCaesar]

At least Batman Returns tried to have something going on under the hood with the villains being dark mirrors of the protagonist. Dumbo is apparently entirely generic.

[@Sylocat]

Batman Returns is the best Christmas movie ever made, change my mind.

[@l0stndamned]

Considering the fact that an elephant was the focal character was what got me to watch the original in the first place, the "ditch talking animals and make it about humans" attitude is the first of many reasons why I have no interest in seeing this.

[@AnkfordPlays]

Dumbo was the one Disney crammed out to make their losses from Fantasia and Pinnochio back, so if it feels kinda dumb and simplistic? That's on purpose.

[@armstrongjosh]

Just saw this. I think you and most critics go into these films with a cynical view. Tim Burton's Dumbo may not be a masterpiece, but it's a darn good movie.

[@TheElizander]

Don't we already have not one but TWO live action 101 Dalmatians movies?

[@KefCantillo]

Didn't bob got back to escapist?

[@AlexReynard]

Everyone always talks about the crows being racist. No one ever mentions that the crows are the friendliest, most helpful characters in the movie (next to Timothy Q. Mouse), and that it's the elephants, specifically the coded-to-snobbish-rich-white-ladies elephants, that are so rotten you'll want Ted Nugent to poach them.

[@oldman5247]

0:45-1:20 in the video's time still sounds like a more interesting/better movie, regardless of how you feel about how old school the entirety of the movie is. Besides if a channel Double Toasted (with a lot of black people on it) could still love it I don't understand how people could hate a movie or a book exclusively on racial sensitivity as if story or characters don't matter anymore.

[@Syklonus]

Not gonna lie - the fact that Keaton and DevIto are in a Tim Burton movie again gave me a little bit of excitement. I have no interest in watching Dumbo but it's probably the closest thing we'll ever get to a third Burton Batman.

[@happypants9428]

So now that the dust has settled a little, why didn’t Disney make 3-D remakes of their classic movies? I feel like that would’ve been smarter. Were there some legal reasons?

[@chapterblaq]

You gonna review "Us"?

[@chapterblaq]

@Orion Burns cheers mate

[@christianpaystrup4427]

Eh, I’ve been mixed on these adaptations for a while. I have a couple I actually think are fantastic and others that are boring or bad. This looked like one of them, so I didn’t go see it. That and I’m not that big of a fan of the original. Now Lion King on the other hand...Oh, yeah. I’m pumped for that.

[@Hawbitten]

Question: is any body actually offended by the crows in Dumbo? Yes I get it, the leader is called Jim Crow. But has anyone ever sat down, watched Dumbo and gotten offended by it? There's nothing in it that has any negative implications or malice. The crows aren't crooks, they're not dumb, and they're not eating chicken and watermelon. They're among the few sympathetic characters in the film. It seems like people are awkward about it just because it feels like the right thing to do.

[@exarkunn69]

Did he do a captain marvel review?

[@arvidp.247]

Yes, at The Escapist.

[@The-Random-Hamlet]

This Burton, so don't forget the Daddy Issues subplot.

[@drawingconclusions3489]

There's not much of a Daddy issues subplot. There's not much of anything going on plot-wise actually.

[@The-Random-Hamlet]

@@drawingconclusions3489 Improvement?

[@drawingconclusions3489]

@@The-Random-Hamlet I don't understand the question.

[@The-Random-Hamlet]

@@drawingconclusions3489Its a joke. My apologies.

[@jakeshirey7816]

I am honestly not surprised.

[@ckmondaviable]

Well this is Dumb-o! At least there’s any Jim Crows!