MOZA AB9 Force Feedback in an F/A-18 Hornet home cockpit

JAR has completed the modifications to his F/A-18C Hornet home cockpit to incorporate the MOZA AB9 Force Feedback Base.
A better AB9 FFB review by my good friend Graywolf (Jester):
• Moza AB9 Force Feedbac...

[@VergThePilot]

I must say, the home cockpit is just as lovely as I'd remember it being. Lovely build

[@JAR-STINGERS]

Thanks Verg! It never ends, always something to make for it :)

[@baaamakingbaaaa]

I think all the people raving about this stick initially never tried a buttkicker. I have 3 buttkickers on my rig so I couldn't care less about the telemetry settings. It didn't feel near as good as my hydraulic gooseneck setup I already had. I was going to return it until I tried the F16 set up with pressure sensitivity. Now THAT is cool!!! I kept it and even though I am only into women I mounted it as a side stick and only use it for the 16.

[@JAR-STINGERS]

@@baaamakingbaaaa one of my all time fave comments thank you sir! 🤣

[@baaamakingbaaaa]

@@JAR-STINGERS Your welcome! A lot of guys I fly side stick and I love saying things like that. I do enjoy it now though, but feel sorry for people with a side stick flying a Huey. Just thinking about it gives me the same feeling like when you shake someone's hand and it's limp and clammy. Yuck

[@JAR-STINGERS]

@@baaamakingbaaaaha ha yeah if I had limitless funds I’d love to mount one as a side stick for the F-16 too. I never realised how cool it would feel to fly with the small movement/ pressure stick.

[@WhiteEagleTube]

Thanks for the video Jar I think you've sold me on this :D. What's that watch btw? Looks good

[@JAR-STINGERS]

Hi brother yeah it’s worth a try if a shop near you has them. My watch is just a Seiko SPB237 divers watch.

[@colindelaney4208]

We need a video on you models! They're beautiful!

[@JAR-STINGERS]

Thanks Colin!

[@PappaBear_yt]

Cool video, Jar! Makes me wonder if all joysticks should be FFB... 🤔 And much cheaper, too! Also, that dogo clip there... 😂 🤭 Stay cool! 👍🏻👏🏻💪🏻🍻🍻🙋🏼‍♂️

[@JAR-STINGERS]

Ha ha thanks PappaBear but I think this video has proven for all time that I am not cool :D

[@PappaBear_yt]

@JAR-STINGERS I don't know, Jar... You have a F/A-18 cockpit in your house, don'tcha? That's pretty cool to me. 👍🏻💪🏻 I hate wars, but been in love with Hornet since I first played F/A-18 Interceptor in 1991 on my friend's Amiga. 😏🤷🏼

[@JAR-STINGERS]

I hate war too brother. We must be the same age as I remember seeing that Interceptor sim on my friends Amiga and thinking he was the luckiest guy in the world!

[@drussell15]

Great overview Jar! I too had some initial difficulties getting the right profiles to load automatically. When in doubt, I manually load from the settings/slider looking icon. I've adjusted the "stock" Huey profile, and feel I've got it about as close to the real deal as I can. The DOF H3, buttkicker, HF8 seat pad and now Moza base along with the virpil collective pretty much sealed the deal for me. I'll never go back to no FFB, just like I'll never go back to non-VR!

[@JAR-STINGERS]

@@drussell15 thanks Doogie! I posted a reply but can’t see it so here’s another one🤣. I can’t wait to try your new Huey profile. Yes I agree that it would be hard to fly with a non FFB base again. It is as big a leap as VR - I agree.

[@Plydrms]

been a Trapz follower for a few years. I was curious what you do for your regular job. Is your job aviation related?

[@JAR-STINGERS]

Hi plydrms, yes I’ve spent my whole working life in civil aviation maintenance.

[@nuchbutter]

Ah! Hey, JAR, when I sent that jacket to you, I'm pretty sure I had never washed it. Did it still smell like the Boat? Hahahaha! See Ya Tonight, Curveball #302

[@nuchbutter]

And I was entertained, but even more, motivated STINGERS' Trap & Mission Night!

[@JAR-STINGERS]

Hey I'm stuck ashore! I would never wash that jacket - that would be like owning Elvis's jumpsuit and washing that!

[@nuchbutter]

@ 😎

[@Terengineer]

8:47 I guess you first time flying F-16, Jar? Looks like very better for me.

[@JAR-STINGERS]

@@Terengineer yes Terengineer. The F-16 is a great plane hey?

[@Terengineer]

@JAR-STINGERS Yes it is.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I wonder how I performs and how much adjustment and the mechanism can be done with the stick extension attached?

[@JAR-STINGERS]

MOZA sell a yaw axis extension which is more than twice as long as the AVA so I think they have it factored in. I guess the intention with the AXIS Travel limits is to allow you to factor in how much deflection you need. Personally the AVA extension makes the movement look 1:1 to me when I look in-game so I really love it!

[@BreezyYacht-o1l]

i like the stick a lot so far, only thing is the F14 after the recent update seems to just always vibrate, and the profile selection makes me scroll through 20 presets just to find mine

[@JAR-STINGERS]

Cheers Breezy I haven’t spent much time with the new update as I am actually still in NZ for another week. They seem to be committed to making it better which is a good sign.

[@aitke12]

how she compare to the Bunner Stick Base.? More or less Force? After couple mins the servos on the Brunner overheat then give out...kina crappy.

[@aitke12]

i looked it up, Moza is like double the force...much better.

[@JAR-STINGERS]

@@aitke12thanks sry I haven’t tried any others. If I ever give any hardware advice please know I haven’t tried much else! Thanks for watching.

[@algroyp3r]

Does DCS not have a Hornet FFB implementation that is realistic? Do you really have to guesstimate your individual jet profiles in the app?

[@JAR-STINGERS]

@@algroyp3r yes I already had the profile loaded, apologies I didn’t show the loading of the Hornet profile. I altered it for reasons explained in the video - increased SPRING due to added AVA extension, adjusted Y Axis to make pitch oscillation less.

[@algroyp3r]

@@JAR-STINGERS Makes sense - Im waiting for the winwing FFB, as I really like their stick and already have it.

[@JAR-STINGERS]

@@algroyp3r awesome - yeah Barney has an epic Winwing set up. He has very good things to say about Winwing. I’m looking at their pedals at the moment, do you like them?

[@algroyp3r]

@@JAR-STINGERS I don't have their pedals, just HOTAS, but am thinking of upgrading to WW from Logitech pedals. I've heard very good things.

[@JAR-STINGERS]

@@algroyp3r Yes they look awesome. Barney sent me a video of his cockpit and I’m very jealous. I am in New Zealand at the moment and I am going to a friends house tomorrow who has a mostly Winwing set up so I am very looking forward to having a fly on totally different hardware! I only chose the MOZA because it was available near me. I am sure the WW FFB will be great too.

[@NanaHoshi35]

Well the real hornet stick is really just a spring and damper stick (with actuators for pitch trim in mech backup mode) tho. So no actual need for telemetry or a stick shaker. Probably it's the shaking of the physical stick that causes the virtual stick to shake. Sure it's a way to simulate the airframe shaking but IMO bass shaker is a better choice..if you have one. No need for so called G-effect as there is no bobweight in the hornet to provide G-related feedback; and no Q-feel, bellow what not to provide dynamic pressure/airspeed feedback.

[@JAR-STINGERS]

Yes I don’t have any bass shakers. The base is nice though if you get the chance to try one it’s pretty impressive.

[@NanaHoshi35]

@@JAR-STINGERS Yeah well-made FFB base would feel far better and realistic than any gaming stick base out there even when it's simulating the a spring stick. Especially the damper. And it can simulate the breakout force, asymmetric travel etc. that are on most real aircraft.

[@miodeq]

I have a very similar config.Try Integrated mode and look for preset examples in Rhino ffb configurations.

[@JAR-STINGERS]

Cheers will take a look!

[@NanaHoshi35]

While it's glad to see more companies are jumping on the FFB bandwagon with a reasonable price..but sadly it's learned that moza has "stolen/copied" the code from VPForce's TelemFFB software while not give credit to the latter nor opensource the software, which violates the opensource license..

[@JAR-STINGERS]

Yikes that’s no good! How did you hear about this I haven’t seen that.

[@NanaHoshi35]

@@JAR-STINGERS Well looks like my previous cmmnts are deleted by the stpd algrithm..I heard it mainly frm VPForce's discord

[@NanaHoshi35]

@@JAR-STINGERS Dev of the VPForce, Walmis, has given the evidence he found in that DCS thread about moza

[@JAR-STINGERS]

@@NanaHoshi35 cool sounds interesting. It must be horrible when you see someone taking your work as their own.