Learning to live with Pressure : Oxygen not included ep 23

[@ThePixelPear]

It may be impossible but it would be sick to once flooded freeze the map. Super cooled conveyor stuffs or radiant pipes to freeze it. Go back to what this map originally was a giant ice ball

[@funny_gaming_Pro]

i think that would be ridicilously hard

[@lyssalud6781]

yeah i think noone can do THAT.... nudge nudge

[@NelsonGuedes]

​@@lyssalud6781😂

[@bengoodwin2141]

It wouldn't be that hard. You'd need to make a loop of radiant pipes across the map connected to an aquatuner and steam turbine setup.

[@andrew3727]

Every 100 tiles or so of travelled pipe, set a new Aquatuner. But it started as Ceres, it should finish as Ceres

[@BruceMilligan]

In this Vidya, Francis implements infinite liquid storage in the least space efficient way possible.

[@obisidiangolden1159]

Hchjfhfjdhdhdgdjdjdkfkjvdbn, that the best one i Heard yet

[@Br3ttM]

Geotune the geysers to get water faster. I think in your test map, the airflow tiles don't count for double layering because they aren't coded as real tiles (since they need to allow tiles of air in their space). Abyssalite will transfer heat with gas, but that isn't because of flaking, gas just has a multiplier to heat transfer to simulate the effect of convection. It might also involve the way the game has minimum temperature changes, and the mass of the tiles does affect whether the heat transfer can exceed that minimum.

[@esven9263]

Keep in mind the geothermal generator isn't free, it's deleting 8% of the water you put through it. Feeding it at full load like you are right now with 30 kg/s will delete 1440kg of water per cycle. Essentially a 12x12 block of water gets deleted from your tank every 100 cycles as payment for using it. You have alternative means of producing heat, and if you stop using it for power you can actually check out some of the other stuff the geothermal generator can do. You can get materials like niobium, wolframite, and fullerene as impurities if you pass hot enough material through it for example and you've got a lot of gold which has a very low specific heat making it easy to heat up. I think you may have a gold volcano somewhere but I can't remember. Also given how long it's going to take to flood the map you should probably be considering vacuuming it out entirely at this point for performance, rather than letting gases into the oil biome again. Speeding up the game is going to mean a lot in the long run. In that same vein you can start knocking out some of your ladder scaffolding to simplify pathfinding calculations and you may want to trap anything that can fly in a small room since creatures like pufts and shine bugs can actually eat a lot of performance once you've opened up the map. I've noticed a lot of dupes just standing around between orders which usually means they're waiting in the queue for their turn to calculate pathfinding.

[@ThePixelPear]

He mentioned last episode that vacuuming out the map is actually worse for performance, at least for him. Pathing for dupes seems to be the best way to reduce lag

[@KainYusanagi]

Most of the issue with gasses is having a whole bunch of them mingling and causing a lot of updates; most if not all of the gas on the map outside his base is just CO2, so shouldn't have much of an impact.

[@scarletpathcat]

An alternative power source that could be fun and increase water production would be to geotune a saltwater source until it spits out lots and lots of steam. The salt it dumps out pays for a lot of the price of geotuning, too.

[@Unit_5S_Delta]

Using the geothermal generator to turn polluted/salt water into regular water actually decreases lost liquid, as the desalinater or other thing lose roughly 500g per 5000g iirc. ofc, boiling it the regular way is lossless, but you don't get power from that.

[@ThylineTheGay]

@@Unit_5S_Delta not polluted, the sieve is 100% efficient, but boiling takes a small amount of mass

[@felixw8711]

poor stuck guy in the end screen.

[@DreamingBlindly]

Ngl I kinda plagued a little too much there... 😅

[@hardkur]

don't forget to install cooling loops to freeze all that gigantic water tank ;)

[@ChristianAkacro]

Don't remove the mesh blocks between eps, leave them in so we see like a height chart of how much change there is per ep!

[@jasong1872]

A simple fix for your polluted water tank with the blocked up ladders: just move the transit station over to the left side where the bottle emptiers are now, then you can run your ladder straight vertical.

[@brianmccracken4880]

What you are trying to do right now, is the whole reason I bought this game.

[@matthewdunstone4431]

Mexican Timelapse is one of my favourite segments.

[@Blooodstar]

Its so strange and nice to get a video of francis at 8:45 in the morning (NZ Time)

[@zysis]

This is the Francis we all love and enjoy, no scripting, just freeform oni sitting on his shoulder as he solves issues while playing oni. Love these vids FJ. Keep it up!~

[@Belnivek]

When using heavy watt joint plates on a side wall you thought of using viscous gell in a reverse cup, and worried about falling water levels causing issues. Just use a normal cup an a liquid heavier than water like super coolant.

[@susMeowMiau]

don't forget to build a cthulhu statue at the bottom of the map . .😅

[@MarcCastellsBallesta]

You misspelled Aku.

[@susMeowMiau]

i remember from the other playthrough but actually i don't anything about this aku , i just remember the movie underwater

[@MarcCastellsBallesta]

@@susMeowMiau Me neither. I know nothing about Aku and never saw Samurai Jack. I only know Francis has some... attraction to the character.

[@toddblankenship7164]

Gas pocket at the top works fine Francis. the tile was breaking at 5:30 because you had an airflow tile and only one insulated tile effectively putting pressure on one tile thick wall.

[@DarkKuno76]

I was wondering how long it would be before Francis decided to do something with the 3rd Geovent. Don't worry about a rocket chimney. Just be patient. With this many water and steam vents, there will be plenty of water in time. Just set up the 3rd geo vent, tap into the oil reservoirs, box everything in and wait. :)

[@Genesis8934]

3:30 I wonder whether the new Plastium or whatever it's called is sturdier? Not sure if you're gonna get around to it tho lol 12:58 Doesn't the Geothermal thingie get more efficient or spit out better materials if the input is hotter? Putting in straight -10C water seems odd lol 14:37 Flip the bottle emptiers and transit tube access? You can move the ladder over then if you need to service it. :) 14:58 If you wanna save even more resources, you could just airflow tile seal it in. It should vacuum itself out by the time water is flooding around it in that case. 15:07 Put them in a protected room with hydrogen and just have an unpowered, radiant cooling loop exchanging temperature with the massive water heatsink you're gonna end up having lol.

[@ewbaite]

the geothermal pump heats up the contents by 150c regardless of the input. Its a renewable source of lead thats kinda neat. Otherwise everything else can be obtained from space anyways

[@Zaughon]

27:57 Maybe a robo miner could mine that out automatically? It would need some cooling though, but could use the liquid the top layer is extracting and a thermo panel? Just need to be careful it doesn't mine out the tiles the trees are in :P Top tier outtro!

[@frenchiephish]

The pressure damage at 5:10 looks like it starts when that tank goes from solid insulation tiles to a mix of insulation and airflow. Also, rather than a rocket chimney, you have heaps of nectar you could boil for more water.

[@robcretz4041]

Haha yes Francis I read the names. And that end credits music is soo good!

[@Tamizushi]

How much mass do ice and snow meteors produce? Do you think it'd make a big difference if you collected it? I think it should be as simple as putting a line of tiles with some backwalling on top and heating the area with a long pipe of hot naphta, and letting the water naturally flow into your water tank. You could use the heat from your clean water to melt the meteors.

[@amil7554]

Oh Extraneon, you silly muppet 😂

[@wolfen210959]

FJ, in the diagnostics section, you can add a power useage display, which will show you how much power is being used in the colony, as well as how much power is being generated.

[@myxal]

17:19 - say what? I'm pretty sure hot steam vents, like all other gas vents, overpressure at 5kg. What probably happened was that the water was bricked in, or the steam condensed on the debris, and then flashed back to steam as the vent erupted again. EDIT: ahh, corrected a few minutes later in the video 👍

[@Tiggs153]

I'd vote against trying to get the water world quickly. Don't worry about doing extra things to produce more water. Rather than doing an overnight session to fill, I'd enjoy watching it fill gradually as other projects happen. I like the idea of tracking the water in the chimney. I am enjoying the prep, but given how much room is in the water chimney, I'm hoping you can work on other projects in the next couple episodes. It looks like adding the downstairs will almost double the space in the water tank. Well, unless you want to try the frozen water world idea from the other comment, then there's reason to fill quickly :P

[@drunken7634]

For the steam vents, you could make a separate room with a “heat injector” and metal tiles on each side so the 500 C steam doesn’t have the opportunity to warm up that separate room and have that steam turbine bring that water back into the room as normal

[@Bluelink13]

As for pressure damage: The way it works is that tiles that can take pressure damage will do so according to the next formula (Liquid Mass Per Tile)*(1+Thickness of the wall*Type of tile multiplier*Material of tile multiplier). Each type of tile (Normal, Insulated, Metal, etc) has a related multiplier, generaly 1 for most of them, while each material has another associated value between 0.2 (Sedimentary Rock) and 2.5 (Diamond) which means the material tends to have the most effect on the overpressure value of a tile. Sadly these values are only in game files, but the page on liquids of the wiki has them listed.

[@Bluelink13]

Admmendum: The formula of course only applies for 1 and 2 tile thick walls, 3 thick walls are immune to pressure damage

[@Bluelink13]

Just for an example, a 2 thick wide Diamond (2.5) Window tile (1.0) wall on water would overpressure at (1k*(1+2*1*2.5))=6k KG of water. The most resistant possible wall that is not 3 thick would be a Steel (2) Bunker Tile (10) wall, for (1k*(1+2*10*2)) = 41k KG of water for overpressure.

[@Sparhafoc]

Time lapse it filling while you're away? We're all looking forward to your 24 hour constant coverage detailing just how far the water level has climbed! :D

[@NelsonGuedes]

I have an idea for the next ONI run! Same idea, flood the map, except instead of water use magma! It would have to be in one of the asteroids that is very geoactive. I thought about doing this after the new temperature resistant transit tubes came out, but I don't have the skills or the time to do it.

[@Yardiff]

“The Sour Tart is just no! Nonono!” /laughing

[@littleolelonk4759]

Do bunker tiles over pressure since it may be a stupid amount of steel but it could be helpful

[@Banksy_Collective]

Have you tried putting mercury in the steam rooms? It conducts heat super well as liquids have the huge multiplier so I'm planning on putting a layer of mercury on the bottom to pull heat away from the aquatuner and make it easier for the steam to absorb it by giving more surface area. It also has a ridiculously high conductivity as a gas and is heavier than steam. Imo mercury is super underrated. Anyways, love the series so far!

[@DriwChannel]

7:41 it's not safe using liquid in top because if the tank for some reason became low level could move the blod, but gases generelly will be forced to there and this case using airlock doors to avoid pressure. @edit you could use a liquid pressure on liquid pumps to avoid low level too

[@Adirelle]

IMO at 5:43 the airflow tiles act as empty space with regard to pressure, hence the pressure damages to the insulated tiles.

[@kellswalter]

If you require gas to pressure proof you can use airlock doors as their are the same as airflow tiles, pressure proof.

[@stegles]

Once you finish flooding the map, your next job is to freeze it. Good luck.

[@skottie135790]

Manual airlocks are pressure damage immune and are water/airtight, they can be used for the walls

[@Talderas]

A semi simple solution you can use for the debris is to have an auto miner under an auto door tied to either a cycle or timer sensor to open it periodically to clear the meteor debris

[@tejing2001]

Regarding the vertical transit tube ports with high-pressure water below them, there's a solution to the issue of the water level potentially dropping: Just stick the joint down into a "cup"-shaped set of airflow tiles. Then if the water level drops, some water still stay in the cup and keep the visco-gel in its proper place.

[@wolfen210959]

Unfortunately, you need to have a way in and out, no point allowing dupes access, if there is no egress.

[@tejing2001]

@@wolfen210959 Huh? We're talking about how to get a transport tube through the wall without pressure damage. Once you have that, it's trivial to put a transit tube access inside the space and power it. That gives 2-way access.

[@tobycat5799]

Ah man. Bringing back memories of the water base. My locks could fail, but, might have been a lag thing. Or a duplicate passing thing... Could take 100 cycles.. Still. Easier that the bloody magma neodyniom volcano base..

[@TheAustereman]

this map has so much energy potential and when Francis has too much power so either everything will freeze or something that shouldnt melt melt soon

[@MedullanAutononomous]

Or both. Both is good.

[@b2tharocksax199]

😂geotune the planet!!!!😂😂😂😂

[@Jun64466]

A petroleum boiler that uses the crude oil and natural gas, and provides the slicksters with enough co2 and heat for them to live in? No waste!

[@thaconaway]

I wonder if the power joints take on the trait of the wall next to it. They leaked on the insulated walls, but not the airflow tiles

[@XiloTheOdd]

i'm hearing a lot of power uptime and downtime and all i'm thinking is, massive battery bank fed by the steam turbines. the math on that should be fun.

[@Serpher1]

It's funny how comment section gave Francis a ridiculous task.

[@Brigadator]

See if you can design all the transit tube to face up, that way you won't have to worry about the water level dropping!

[@Dragonlord7012]

All that Mercury and he uses super coolant xD

[@bengoodwin2141]

You could just forgoe the complicated pressure resistance systems and send all your pipes through liquid locks if you wanted, I think

[@ramble_0]

Could you not run the transport tubes with airflow tiles surrounding them, like a protective sheath? It might use a lot of materials and take longer to build but could be less of a faff.

[@joeschmoe7324]

Joint plates may count as 3 blocks end to end.

[@Taliseth]

Think the visco gel for the top transit tubes is not a good idea, the water will go up and down in waves if there's enough water. Make sure to keep enough space for more sour gas boilers etc! You could probably move the mercury reservoir to make a rocket chimney.

[@timothyfair1232]

For increasing water production, are geotuners base game? If so, five geotuners can target the same vent for a total of 100% output increase (20% each). Tuning water vents requires bleach stone, for which the bleach stone hopper is basically free - you have a gold volcano and all your desalination is producing no end of salt. Plus, turning all the water vents into weirdly shaped steam vents by increasing their output temperatures may or may not simplify things depending upon your perspective.

[@wolfen210959]

Your last sentence hit the nail on the head, a lot of extra heat would need to be mitigated. FJ doesn't need more water production, what he really needs is more water useage, it is inevitable that he is gonna have to pump a lot of excess water into space.

[@Phelix22]

Maybe open up the hot CO2 vent and let the slicksters live in there?

[@kamalotkam]

What about using some of the new stuff, like the mercury lights in conjunction with solar panels? It's not very efficient, but you like big builds, right?

[@Bizob2010]

To cool the isolated transformers, why not have a triple metal wall to vent heat to the (pending) surrounding water?

[@MelfiortheOne]

I wish Klei actually implemented pressure physics to the game. Triple points for different material, for example. This will add another level of complexity and ways to do things!

An ambitious mod could implement that? We also don't have any chemistry in the game: you can mix 600C hydrogen and oxygen together, and nothing happens. (Not saying they should implement combustion and other chemistry. Just that it's missing.)

[@MelfiortheOne]

I guess it’s too heavy to code. And imagine all the calculation needed in real time xD your CPU won’t be happy

[@KyusarTv]

Can't wait for a Zoo run, getting perfect living zoo space for any critter. Never seen it :(

[@MedullanAutononomous]

I don't think the engine can actually handle that many calculations. But if it can I also want to see that.

[@theanthillfromknow.theanop3960]

bij 11:36 min why you did you not try to place a block above and down under it. at the connections of the heave conductive joint plate and place between it a blob of visco gel or a liquid. it can not flow up or down or left or right and it is pressure prove and it is not heat conducting because of course its on the outsides. And between it there is a vacuum. you can do the same for the transfer tube but then only passing the wall from left to right or richt to left not up and down then indeed the change is the liquid will fall away or flow up. Greating and good luck whit flooding the map 😎

[@jslocomb]

At 18:15 or so, why does Francis have the every other background tiles where the radiant pipe snakes through? Do the tiles pull in heat from the surrounding area? Please help me understand.

[@zbear84]

This episode was just begging to be named “Under Pressure”

If you construct your heavy watt wires first, and then freeze something around them (like phosphorite or so?), you should be able to have them pass through solid tiles? Update: Francis had the same idea later in the video, with glass.

[@andrewhammond5525]

Its been so long, but you can bring back water from rocket missions, right? Another source to help speed up filling the tank!

[@bruh-ment-um]

How is the title very relatable omg

[@MarcCastellsBallesta]

Call me crazy or a catastrophist, but how would you create a vacuum in the middle of a flooded zone? Like for example a room in the middle of the water tank. You cannot use the usual "brick it, water lock, deconstruct" method. I mean, if something breaks you will need to do it. Maybe walling it, installing a water pump & a transport tube? I don't know, I've never played ONI, I'm just a viewer. Happy to see you take the stupid challenges from your comments section! It's going to be fun.

[@stevensteve6617]

in his test map, he showed that the visco gel (purple) will hold any amount of water pressure from coming in, so yes, you can brick, gel airlock, and deconstruct for a vacuum

[@imazined]

Manual airlocks also don't take pressure damage.

[@nathangraham8162]

Could you use the hot CO2 vent to feed the slicksters?

[@twobitdork952]

Isn’t plastinium available in base game? Some of those tubes could be made out of that if it’s close to high heat sources.

[@ransia.falavir]

Use wallpaper to mark the tank to make it easy to read!

[@andrew3727]

I haven't tested it before, but isnt there a second type of plastic, plasteel or something, thats harder and can get hotter that directly substitutes Plastic?

[@rage4198]

why dont you use the carbon vent to force the slickers into the petrolium version

[@sober667]

I was thinking about frezeing water planet( yup i know ) anyone has idea for efficient way of doing so?

[@custume]

looking good

[@tachyon8050]

And the Rapture city build

[@KimArvidsson]

Dupes should be able to crouch and crawl.

[@ThePiachu]

So, what's next after ONI? Factorio Space Age? :D

[@amanpatel1669]

how a good night can become better night? Ans- a video of Francis on ONI. (Its 1:22 am India)

[@KainYusanagi]

Why not just release a layer of gas along the top of the area for the underside pressure issue?

[@vulkandrache1928]

Please open the top of the map so the water pushes out all the gas. Should have been tripple layer diamond windows everywhere so the dupes can enjoy the underwater dome view. Get the colored materials mod (if it still works) and build backplates in different colors at the waterline at the start of each recording.

[@wolfen210959]

No need for a mod, backing plates can be coloured now in the base game.

[@darthbader6506]

No dupes were harmed in the making of this outro. Probably.

[@DarkKuno76]

Hey, trapping themselves doesn't count as FJ harming them ;)

[@darthbader6506]

@@DarkKuno76 Oh but we didn't see how he got there... :)

[@DarkKuno76]

@@darthbader6506 It's ONI, of course the dupe got himself there. ;)

[@VShuricK]

33:40 You, muppet!(c)

[@Divine_Evil]

Francis, why not simplify things? since you are (re)moving the oil tank, why not make a big T shaped steam room between the 3 geovents? No need to balance anything... Just pump the water out of the 15+ steam vents ... If you wanna min-max it.. add some doors to the steam inputs and more steam turbines for 800W outputs...

[@erawlins1]

I'd be perfectly fine with you using dev mode to delete an annoying useless neutronium block or unused vent if it is just in the way of doing something cool. Question - Does this map mode not have geotuners available? I didn't see any buildings being geotuned, that is a lot of extra water and metal potentially not being claimed

[@DroCaMk3]

I'm assuming natural tiles also can't take pressure damage when they're three tiles wide? You could entomb power wires coming out of joint plates to create three tile wide barriers. Shouldn't be too difficult? But then, I'm 10 minutes into the episode and I'm assuming you found an easier way :) Edit: Haha, literally 15 seconds later you came up with the same thing, never mind!

[@ApocolypseChild]

I left a comment before about using manual airlocks for water proofing but then he finally got around to addressing that as an issue for his aesthetic purposes. I deleted it but now I feel compelled to replace it with another comment to appease the "al gore rhythm."

[@nematrec1]

Airflow tiles don't prevent pressure damage to other tiles, they don't count towards the 3 tiles thick rule. The only walls that were getting pressure damage were ones that were insulated tile between the airflow and the water, you moppet. If you use the plastium for your transit tube you can pour 1500c glass on it and let it cool for 3 tiles thick. Plastium is the new space material version of plastic that melts at over 1800c

[@kingkracker1998]

i love gettin HiGH.... ER. lol

[@satd33p]

Woot woot

[@mbirdmdt]

Water vault

[@RedThunder333]

Okay fine. Here's a mod for your troubles. 'Better info cards', by Aze. I've beenn waiting for god knows how many episodes for you or someone to get it and use. But I guess, it has to be me. Please check this out. Use this. It'll snap your info cards for all the materials you hover to the horizontal whenever it gets too large for it to fit vertically on screen. Now you can easily show how nuch of the mess you have collected in one location. I beg you. I urge you tto use this please. Soothe my soul. I haven't watched this video yet and am commenting first. Love your videos btw. Havve said it many times and will say again.

[@greg2303-ai]

I'm pretty sure he used it in past series. I think when he updated the game he didn't reinstall mods.

[@TheSimpleGamer42]

Woot

[@labadf]

I think you are getting mad with water... All those water sources and excess water methods! I've never seen someone try this kind of madness before... Cool, but scary

43 seconds and two comments already. Good god.

[@sebastianbuhr6228]

Could you not just keep the whole power spine and Transformers under water?

[@Karlamelka]

Transformers don't work when submerged.

[@MedullanAutononomous]

No they will flood and not work. 😢

[@RavenDravenek]

33:34 Nothing to see here, just dupes doing dupe things

[@clairecox3155]

Have a comment for engagements sake?

[@sober667]

Why you worring about temperature so much? you gonna have a tone of water EVERYWHERE keeping temperature on its level and with how massivley absurd that termal mass is you can use it to cools stuff for thousans of cycles

[@someguy-lt2op]

Pointless comment

[@susMeowMiau]

klei watching this be like 🫢🤔 🫢🤔 🫢🤔