ALORIS TOOLHOLDERS size A short #27 tubalcain dorian shars

[@404BYTE]

Some of those exotic tool in the catalogue are mind blowing.

[@mrayco]

This is real army of tool post holders I like it

[@paulhunt598]

This was one of your most helpful videos for me. I will be shopping with much more confidence.

[@mrpete222]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ClintsHobbiesDIY]

Thanks again as I learn to be a hobbyist machinist.

[@gappmast9712]

I think Mr Pete is just bragging that he has more tool holders than we have.

[@duron700r]

Hehehe, yep! And they're neat!

[@ironhead65]

How can you teach something without experiencing it? :-)

[@joemccarthywascorrect6240]

More than ANYONE who is not in active commercial production does!

[@Vance_Nickerson]

Been machining for almost 30 years and always enjoy and learn from your videos. Been a fan of yours from the early days and hope you keep up the educational information that we so badly need. Thank you Mr. Pete from Texas. Always wanted to attend one of the machinist gatherings to meet you and others who have helped me throughout my journey.

[@mrpete222]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@joemccarthywascorrect6240]

(Comment from the nimrod in the back of the classroom, chair leaning back against the wall) Yo Teach- I broke down and bought an ACA Aloris clone from Little Machine Shop (because I can’t justify the cost of a real Aloris as a backyard novice hobby machinist). Of course, the base plate is way too big for my South Bend 9A, but it came with the milling attachment, so I guy a piece of 1/4” thick and Le iron, milled it square and flat with an end mill in a collet, bored it out and NOBODY CARRIES A 9/16-18 TAP AROUND HERE… so I used This Old Tony’s trick of using a smaller tap to cut the internal threads and IT WORKED! So I won’t have to fight with the lantern post setup unless I am doing something weird that I don’t have a QC tool holder set up for. Should be worth at least a B-, right? Now I have to set up the tool holders with tools and adjust for height. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR GREAT ENTERCATIONAL VIDEOS!!!!!😊

[@m9ovich785]

Nice collection Lyle. Thanks. Mike M.

[@henryneyens5066]

Will you do a video on turning tool holders? The sizes and shapes of carbide for the hobbyists?

[@grntitan1]

The sizes and shapes of carbide inserts is a humongous subject. I bet I have no less than 25 different inserts. It is very job specific. The hobbyist should use the same criteria as a professional shop when it comes to inserts and insert holders. Be careful of the import(China) inserts. Many are very low quality.

[@oddshot60]

Hey there Mr. Pete. I sure do hope this day finds you well and healthy. I'm pretty sure that I watched your vid "Machining a dovetail indicator holder TIPS#410 ... but its been a while. I have some time this morning, I'll watch it again to make sure. For me, reviewing is a good way to make sure I learned the lesson.

[@mrpete222]

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[@PaulSteMarie]

The 250- seems to be common across all sizes. The next digit is the size, 250-1xx for AXA, 250-2xx for BXA, etc. The import toolholders often have strange set screws: M8 threads with a 3/16” hex socket are common. I usually replace them with good quality set screws and Loctite the adjusting screw to the block.

[@mrpete222]

😀😀😀

[@duron700r]

BINGO! I looked at the dash numbers too and the copy cats carried the numbering system thru.

[@melgross]

8mm isn’t strange. Almost the entire world uses metric. Inch is strange these days and we shouldn’t even be using it. Congress mandated that we move to metric as quickly as possible back in ‘66. That is, 1866!

[@PaulSteMarie]

@@melgross If they had a 5mm recess, that would be true, but 8mm set screws with a *_3/16”_* recess are absolutely very strange.

[@isbcornbinder]

Your videos have great content.

[@mrpete222]

Glad you like them!

[@harlech2]

I love these, Mr. Peterson! Please keep them coming!

[@mrpete222]

I will

[@duron700r]

QC posts and holders are very robust and the offshore tool holders are quite hard if wanting to make "adjustments" to the tool slot. Excellent content per usual.

[@wk7060]

Very nice 5C collet holder! I could find many uses for that one!

[@hacc220able]

Very good overview and thanks for sharing with us.

[@daleclark6263]

Great video Mr. Pete. And just for the record, I watched that video years ago where you made the indicator holder... and made one for my Logan. I love it! Also used a dovetail cutter from Randy Richards to do that. Anyway - always enjoy your videos and have learned a lot from them over the years. Thanks!

[@ironhead65]

Stay tuned to the end, if you can take it! Thank you for always bringing a smile to my face!

[@mrpete222]

😀

[@renaissanceman7145]

I copied your double indicator mount. Works great.

[@danbreyfogle8486]

It looks to me like you could invest a lot of money is these accessories. As you said you don't need them all but I can image it gets to be one of those things that attracts buyers.

[@floridaflywheelersantiquee7578]

Thanks for sharing Mr Pete

[@bearsrodshop7067]

Really liked those that were to hold dial indicators. But in the catalog, #9 & #18 really would good money spent but become dust collector :-). Thx for sharing Lyle. Had two well know creators stop in on there way back home from the Fly Wheelers. Stan from Barz, & Phil from Almost Machining. Was a real treat to this hobbyist ! Bear.

[@mrpete222]

I bet you enjoyed the visit

[@rodwright225]

Love those extra credits😎

[@rodwright225]

Your like evaporust for a rusty machinist/mechanic

[@oddshot60]

I bought one of those QCTH sets, the one that includes the knurling tool. Mr Pete is correct, it's just not very good. I'm thinking of cutting the knurling wheels off , extending the tool holder slot ... and making whats left into a dedicated face turning tool or something-or-other-holder. I'll get a lot more use out of it than a cheesy knurling tool.

[@mrpete222]

You made me chuckle, because we agree. I had considered cutting it off as well, but it may be hardened.

[@oddshot60]

@@mrpete222 Enter the abrasive cut-off wheel. It's a savage, yet effective way of performing machine operations. I won't tell anybody if you don't!!

[@robert574]

I removed the hex top nut on my tool post and made a threaded hub with a handle and knob to tighten it. My tool post has two handles and knobs and is easy to adjust without a wrench. I use a thin hardened washer between the two and the thickness of the washer determines where the top handle ends up when it is tight. I faced the bottom a few times to get it close to where I wanted it.

[@mrpete222]

Great idea

[@ssboot5663]

Tahnks

[@kensherwin4544]

@2:32 "I learn more by making these videos than you do by watching them." Every time I teach a topic, I find something else that becomes a bit clearer to me and I've been in the steering business since 1969. Just last week I discovered a new (to me) test and analysis that clarifies a specific characteristic that I hadn't considered before. Teaching is undoubtedly the most effective way to learn because if you don't know it, you can't explain it.

[@mrpete222]

Yes 👍👍👍👍

[@4GSR]

Had to laugh at your comment about the Aloris knurling tool holder. I have mine set up with a chamfering tool that I can kiss the corners of the part to break the edges at a 45° angle. It has been set up like this since 1979. The knurling tool, I think I've tried it once with bad luck with it. Have a cut knurling tool for the few times I've needed to knurl something. Thanks for sharing, Ken

[@mrpete222]

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[@stevevogelman3360]

This was a great video Pete. I have a phase 2 post. Love it. I had no idea that they made so many holders. Fun video. Love your channel. Good luck friend.

[@mrpete222]

Thanks for watching!

[@oddshot60]

That AXA 5C collet holder looks mighty interesting to a guy having no milling machine. To buy one of those holders might be pretty expensive, but I think a clever guy with a bit of square steel stock might be able to make one that can be mounted into a QC Turning Facing Lathe Tool Post Holder 250 201 when needed. Might be a neat Mr Pete vid.

[@mrpete222]

Might be possible, I will look into it

[@bocody]

Very informative video. I’ve just gotten into buying these. Thanks

[@erikclausen4780]

Great video and some great information.

[@paulkinzer7661]

I have the five standard holders from Shars and have been very happy with them; except, as you say, the knurling tool. I've gotten it to work pretty well, but it's not easy, and I want something different. I'm off on a search for a better choice right after I post this, since, for once, I have a little bit of cash to do so.

[@mrpete222]

I have a two-part video coming up on knurling

[@paulkinzer7661]

@@mrpete222 Fantastic! There's something magical about the whole process. Watching as a pattern is squeezed into metal.

[@brentandrade5861]

Naa.. he's had a heck of a head start collecting stuff.. tho I admit I'd happily rehome a couple n especially the Jacobs chuck holder! I've to get a few more holders myself. The XL Refers To A LARGET Opening For Thicker tools.

[@rickhand8228]

I read a comment on a forum from someone who said he drilled and tapped the import holders to imperial threads. I think he said he used 5/16 and that was on axa size holders. I intend to investigate that sometime.

[@angelramos-2005]

Good education.Thank you.

[@edl5074]

Thanks for the video always informative so thank you

[@mrpete222]

👍

[@leeroyholloway4277]

For anyone still using a lantern toolpost... these things are a life changer. Set several up for your basic tooling needs, the time savings and convenience are well worth the investment.

[@eddietowers5595]

Ok, I had run into a conundrum with an Aloris AXA QCTP I thought to be a "unicorn" QCTP. I somewhat inherited this particular QCTP Which, up until this video, at the 16:57 mark, when showing the tool holders in the catalog; the page featured the Aloris QCTP I have. Top right hand side. The piston or plunger type. I've worked with Dorian's and Aloris' before and though this type of Aloris AXA may not be anything new, I personally have never seen such an Aloris Tool post in this particular type. A piston type. I looked all over this tool, investigating whether it was a knock off, a clone fake but it literally has all the stamped markings confirming it's an Aloris. I say "somewhat inherited" because I picked this up an estate sale. Apparently the owner had a home machine shop business but passed away and his son, daughter and brother were charged with selling off the owner's tools as instructed by the late owner via paper work they were carrying to price his tools. After the brother and I got to talking he gifted me the QCTP because I reminded him of his brother when talking about tools. He himself wasn't a tinkerer, tool man, or machinist. He was a music teacher who had told his late brother he doesn't know what to do when he retires from the education system. His late brother was trying to teach him some machining until this unfortunate, untimely passing happened. He showed me the paper used to help sell the tools . They weres actually handwritten inventory and instructions on how much to sell each tool set and the Aloris piston type QCTP was written instructively as, "Don't sell this tool set for less than $150, at worse $145 don't haggle because this costs a pretty penny back ten", word for word. Thank you for this video.

[@mrpete222]

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[@100yojimbo]

Very interesting video, you have a very good selection of those tool holders 👍 loved the still pictures at the end. Keep up the good work Mrpete 👍👍👍👍

[@joemcgarry1106]

Great video! Thanks Lyle.

[@4speed3pedals]

the AXA 5C collet holder would be great for holding reamers.

[@ellieprice363]

Yes, except most reamer shanks are not standard collet sizes.

[@MegaLostOne]

TCMT 32.51 is the inserts for the double ended carbide holder, Yours is a Shars brand and mine is HHIP (probably came off the same line where ever they where made) knows as AXA-16E or 250-116 . Shars stopped selling the one with the positive insert like yours and mine the last time I looked and only carry the negative rake one now that takes a different insert.

[@RRINTHESHOP]

Nice review of the holds, I was not aware of many of hothead extra credit holders. 😊😊😊😊😊

[@mrpete222]

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[@peteoburrito920]

Thankyou so much for this video. I couldn’t find anywhere if the dove tail was standardised between sizes. Was frustrating the hell out of me because I want a holder to fit a 22mm shank tool but didn’t know if the bigger sized ones have different dovetails

[@mikecarpenter719]

Another great video thank you mr pete keep ‘‘em coming

[@Beechdrvr]

Morning Mr Pete!

[@user-rk4zm3nb5f]

Great stuff Mr. Pete. I've accumulated about 10 through the years. Do you have a video explaining negative and positive rake angles?

[@mrpete222]

Not yet!

[@melgross]

30 to 40 years ago, Chinese tool holders weren’t very good. But the last few years has seen a serious upgrade in quality. The only thing I do is to replace the set screws. The reason isn’t because of quality as they seem to be ok. But what I don’t understand and don’t like, is that for reasons that only they know, those screws aren’t meant for this use. The thread doesn’t go down to the bottom of the screw. They’re intended to tighten into a groove. But the problem here is that if you put in a tool that comes up to the top of the slot, the screw only has a few turns of the thread in the hole, rather than the entire hole being filled with threads. So now, it’s weaker. Does it matter, maybe. But I replace the screws with ones that are fully threaded with flat bottoms, from McMastercarr. I wouldn’t recommend a 5C collet for boring. It’s pretty weak and has a short holding length. For small bars it’s ok, but for anything over 0.5”, nope!

[@mrpete222]

Sounds like a good upgrade. And yes, the Chinese holders are quite good. The only thing I do not like is that they are usually metric set. And that requires that I have two sets of Allen ranches on the machine.

[@melgross]

@@mrpete222 we old timers have to get with it. Back in ‘66 Congress mandated that we move to metric as soon as possible, for the benefit of industry, science and education. It’s still a work in progress. By the way, that was 1866!

[@user-rk4zm3nb5f]

Be careful, if you get the Mrs to dust your shop she might find where her toothbrush went.

[@mrpete222]

Oh no

[@mikemoore9757]

My import BXA works fine, but when I bought it I discarded the soft Chinese set screws with some good quality US made dog point set screws. Problem solved.

[@bcbloc02]

I believe DTM is Dorian Tool Manufacturing

[@CalPil0t]

You should have one of the Aloris AXA-25 somewhere. Dropped one off at your meet and greet a few years ago.

[@mrpete222]

I guess I forgot to show it

[@pewetools9078]

Hello, even I am a "Multifix-Guy" (producer), I know Aloris. I dont know if it is said before, if yes, well, then it is now double: The company name ALORIS is the family name of the inventor Frank Sirola just read from the end to the beginning.

[@mrpete222]

Yes, backwards. Like count Alacard--- Dracula

[@4SafetyTraining]

Always interesting, thanks

[@67L-88]

My beyond favorite holder on small and mid sizes machines is #16 using positive inserts. This will do all my plain turning work and has made most all the other holders dust collectors. This is a bit controversial but I am a GIANT fan of positive rake inserts on small machines, they are free cutting, less hp, and stress on the part, and give great finishes on things. I would never go back to a negative insert on small or low-horsepower machines. Also, we never had much luck with the drilling setup. I have someplace the Morse taper holder. I guess if you set up small drills it's okay-ish, but for anything that requires pressure to cut, say a 1" bit it keeps trying to rotate the tool post. I guess you can put some bandaids on the pin or clamp the post to counteract the leverage but why bother... You may have better luck with your setup and work?

[@randyshoquist7726]

From what I gather, putting a drill on the tool post is best suited to deep holes with small drills. Backing out to clear short pecks many times is easier with the carriage than the tailstock. No power feed, of course.

[@brentandrade5861]

Tho I've got to agree w Mr Pete as the in port I have has taken a beating like a redheaded step child and keeps getting it done! My aloris is no better.

[@paulhunt598]

Phase II is a long standing import brand. You will find it used in industry. It is much like the now popular SHARS brand. Yausa is another import brand that includes some very nice product. Chau is another, but usually very low end import brand. These brands market very low end product as well, so you need to be cautious if you favor premium brands. I have never seen a póor quality Starrett, but some brands shamefully put their name on very low quality. Fowler brands very high end inspection grade tools and brands tools that HF might be too ashamed to sell.

[@mrpete222]

Agreed

[@Stefan_Boerjesson]

Time 13:50, double indicators in one holder. Watching YT one guy made a holder where it's possible to rotate the indicator when changing between axial and radial measuring! I copied the idea and made one myself.

[@mrpete222]

Thank you, I need to check out that video

[@Stefan_Boerjesson]

Don't remember if it was Mr Toolwright, or "... do it better". If I tumble into it, I'll come back to You.

[@robert574]

Incoming.... hope they are the right size inserts. I got the same ones for me.

[@mrpete222]

So you are the one that sent me the inserts? I just received them today and immediately check to see if they would fit. And they did fit and I then faced several pieces in the lathe. They cut beautifully. Thank you very very much. Please email me so I can confirm this gift. Much appreciated.

[@robert574]

@@mrpete222 You're welcome. Where is your email? Got it, and you were already in my address book when I started typing "Lyle".

[@sylvaingervais247]

MERCI DU CANADA

[@terryk3118]

Thanks for the great video. But you just cost me another 50 bucks. For some reason it never occurred to me to have a cutoff holder for both widths.

[@mrpete222]

👍👍

[@robert574]

I looked up the double ended holder 250-116, and the insert is a single sided TCMT-32.51. The 3 is 3/8" I.C., 2.5mm thick and 1 is a 0.0157" tip radius. The holder is listed as a 60deg threading holder. I read a post where someone complained that it couldn't be used for turning to a corner or facing, but I don't think that's true is it? I couldn't find it listed in the new Aloris catalog. HHIP sells some holders on ebay $90-$120. Aloris does sell a double ended holder like those (3) #12s you shunned just before it. Sorry, I did go back and jump around on your videos, but I've already watched them and now use them for reference and watch parts again. I know that screws up your viewing numbers.

[@mrpete222]

Thank you very much, I hope the hole size is correct

[@Self_Evident]

"Short Subject #27 ... So this will be a long video..." :)

[@robert574]

I see a lot of "reversible" holders. I'll bet there are lathes like the Hardinge second operation, where they have a cross slide mounted (they have no carriage or saddle) and they could mount a BXA tool post on each side of the spindle and pull it back and forth. Know what I mean?

[@mrpete222]

Yes

[@SteelerStewart]

Hey Mr. Pete. The Shars website shows the Shars Double End Tool you showed (250-116) as using a "TNMG" Insert

[@sharstool2251]

There are 2 options, one with TNMG and the other is Trigon WNMG

[@mrpete222]

Thanks

[@beatrute2677]

Man I bet some of those micro adjustable tool holders cost a kings ransom!

[@Edgar6ooo]

I’d be interested in purchasing your size A 5C collet holder. If you are willing to part with it. Also The “XL” excepts the 5/8 tools.

[@edheigl8224]

Do you have a Bx cut off or parting tool to sell

[@mrpete222]

No

[@stricht8]

“Just buy an import”. NO. That does not help the state of affairs this country and the western world is in!

[@MrKmt22]

TNMG332 Insert for the shars #16

[@mrpete222]

Thanks

[@rexmyers991]

WOW - I had NO idea there are so many types. Thanks, Mr Pete!