Why Did Soul Society BETRAY Ginjo? His MISSING Backstory in CFYOW, REVEALED | Bleach Discussion

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Despite being the main villain of The Lost Agent Arc, Ginjo's motivations and history were, for many years, something of an enigma. However, thanks to the light novel Can't Fear Your Own World, we finally have a better understanding of why he hated the Shinigami, and why the first Substitute Shinigami felt so betrayed by the Soul Society - let's have a look!
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[@MrTommo2304]

The secrets of Ginjo's past, revealed! What did you think of Ginjo's history with the Soul Society? Did it make him a more sympathetic villain in your eyes? Let me know!

[@hollowify_tensa_zangetsu]

I wished we knew, but he kind of tells us tho. Ginjo probably is the type to try angry if a friend is lying and or keeping secret's. So there might have been a death close to ginjo and was not happy about it, to then find out the pass was a listening device. Soni believe he got wrong impression. I haven't seen the video yet. So maybe that's the backstory.

[@draxxy_X_lemar]

This kinda changes things a lot I do feel some sympathy for ginjo Because he wasn't evil at his core he was made evil by the bloody corrupt nobles

[@Jakejarter]

One thing I haven't been able to figure out. The Shinigami sent to bring down Ichigo were all curious selections. With Ikkuaku's 1st meeting with ichigo mirroring his first meeting long ago with Kenpachi, to Renji a close friend, Kenpachi, who probably cared less about orders rather than opportunity to fight.They're arguably the one's Ichigo has the biggest relationships with. Why not Shunshi/Soifon/Mayuri/Retsu? And weirdest of all in my eyes, Byakuya. Even before Ichigo made his choice, Byakuya battled Tsukishima. Even when under the belief that Tsukishima was his mentor, and had saved his life, he had to died for for the simple fact that he was Ichigo's enemy. It's kinda contridictory to hold both that view while still being prepared to kill Ichigo. IMO they only answer is that they were never their to kill him.

[@griffins750]

Significantly more satisfying than what we previously had! Really hope we get that hell arc, it would tie up SO many loose ends, and give the series the ending it always deserved.

[@dannytarver4533]

Yes and no, because even he didn't know the whole story of this " betrayal". His hate was warranted but misdirected. Actually killing many innocents plus using a teenager and his group in that misplaced revenge made him just as bad as the people he wanted to take revenge on.

[@manuelacosta9463]

The revelations from CFYOW really drive home what an absolutely bloody maniac Tokinada is. Ginjo became a killer because of another in a position of untouchable power. If there's any consolation to all of this it's that Xcution has become a force for good in the postwar world with the surviving Fullbringers as a charitable organization.

[@MrGksarathy]

And Tokinada could only act like this because the system shielded him from any accountability basically up to the end. He himself was well aware of this, and that's partially why he became such a cackling psychopath.

[@manuelacosta9463]

@@MrGksarathy Truth. The ironic yet unsurprising thing about it all is that Soul Society's nobles have basically won per say. They have all the power, wealth, protection and say but despite this they endlessly feud among themselves with deadly consequences. Soifon's flashbacks and CFYOW really highlights this. Tokinada sure is a product of his world.......

[@gammafrost]

Ginjo and the rest deserved better in the thousand year blood war. I hope after the thousand year blood war ends, they adapt can’t fear your own world. What was Ginjo’s zanpakuto and how did he lose it after leaving soul society ? I want to know if he was able to obtain a Bankai of his own

[@loganhayse8771]

It's possible he never had his own asauchi and therefore never achieved a true bankai. However he has achieved something closer to an resurreccion with his fullbring. If Hell arc continues, I'd love to see that.

[@gammafrost]

@@loganhayse8771but he’s clearly shown with an asauchi in that brief flashback with a young tsukishima

[@loganhayse8771]

@@gammafrost true. I'm assuming that is a full on asauchi. That opens new questions like where did he get it from.

[@gammafrost]

@@loganhayse8771 he would have gotten it from the soul society like all other shinigami

[@loganhayse8771]

@@gammafrost they all get it from SS but that's assuming they gave him one. Not sure if they would give him one vs him finding or forming his own like Ichigo did.

[@jrgenvellesen7800]

I think Ginjo's backstory being left out of the manga, was the result of two main factors. One, if we did get his bacstory we would pretty much need to deal with the whole Tokinada and dark practises of the Soul Society storyline. Second, Kubo's health was already pretty bad by this point, and the Lost Agent arc had not been that popular with fans. So, I think both Kubo and the people at Jump though it was better to instead go ahead with the final arc focusing on the Soul Reapers and Quincy. I think that Kubo did at some point during the TYBW, realized that he just wasn't going to be able to cover everything he wanted to, so he instead left the Fullbringer-storyline to the novels. While I would have loved to see the Fullbringers get some more spotlight in the manga, I am happy that we got some good closure for them in CFYOW. And hopefully, with the novels being very popular and Ginjo getting a lot of focus in them, it could mean that he will play more of a role in the Hell arc. It would be interesting to see a reunion between him and a Hell-version of Ukitake. I do like Ginjo, him being a dark mirror to Ichigo while still falling into something of a anti-hero role, makes for a cool and quite dynamic character.

[@loganhayse8771]

I do believe you are right. He wanted to step down and finish and didn't want new plot threads that would not get fleshed out as well as Bleach is essentially about Ichigo so that's where the focus lies from start to finish. If they do plan on animating CFYOW; I'd love to see some foreshadowing in TYBW's anime to help bridge the two.

[@renftw7238]

@@loganhayse8771 hopefully Bleach plans on doing CFYOW & SAFWY since they already have the VA's for never before seen characters like Tokinada, Aura, Hikone, Roka & the Picarro. I know having VA's for a mobile game really isn't much of a guarantee but in 2019 when we finally got Squad 0 & later some Sternritters into the game with original VA's, it was definitely a sign that something was cooking up.

[@loganhayse8771]

@@renftw7238 I feel SAFWY might be a bit too late at this point but CFYOW is a definite.

[@Phantom_8222]

Both novels could be released as OVA's or movies, since demon slayer, Gundam, One Piece and Jujutsu Kaisen got theatrical releases in alot of countries.

[@moheezy6869]

It’s awful that these manga writers have to suffer like this

[@TheJegkkon]

I could honestly listen to MrTommo talk about anything. His vocabulary and speech pattern is so nice to listen to

[@astudent1743]

fax

[@moneebali7160]

Ikr his voice is so chilling and the fact there's no music to disturb is so ahh good and I tend to listen to his videos instead of music while doing my dairy stuff he is a goat

[@darknesswave100]

The accent is amazing. Some people just have a voice that's easy to listen to

[@avoiceacrosstheworld1943]

I knew I wasn’t the only person that thought this

[@oklahomie8278]

He’s really good. I watched him when he first started and couldn’t do it anymore when he kept the camera on his face the whole time. I still can’t do it with it going from a panel, to his face, non stop. Maybe like 3 panels then his face wouldn’t be so bad.

[@Man_without_a_mission]

Ginjo was the personification of the past crimes of soul society coming back to bite them, he never struck me as evil as Aizen considering the dicks Yamamoto and the other higher ups were.

[@AriEru16394681315]

it would be cool if kubo just used ginjo at quincy arc just to show the bad past of soul society and why quincy and fullbringer leader want to destroy them

[@skyreapery2n164]

Man.... Soul Society is truly messed up... The first substitute soul reaper, purging of all quincies, enslaving of the soul king, almost replacing the soul king with Ichigo, Central 47, imprisonment of people YET to commit crimes... And soooo many more shenanigans

[@dre1961]

Wait could I get an explanation for the enslavement of the soul king

[@JerichoRpwe0692]

In short they were afraid of his power so the founding nobles had a vote to seal the soul king and rule in his place. I think Shiba was the only clan opposed to this and spoke out which is why they were ostracized from the noble families.

[@dre1961]

Thank you

[@necrospaci4835]

It’s almost like the imperfection of the soul society reflects the imperfection of our world “The road to hell is paved with good intentions” for every good deed the soul society has done it had to do a morally dubious one as well.

[@dragonballoblivion8273]

​@necrospaci4835 exactly, they protect humanity and risk their loves and lives to do so. But as you say the road to Hell is paved with good intentions

[@shimotsukivinsmoke2069]

Soul Society really needs to keep the noble families in check. These noble are just like the Celestial Dragons of One Piece. Tokinada's doing a whole lot of awful things without facing any consequence. I wouldn't be surprised if in the long history of Soul Society, it was the nobles that caused half of the issues.

[@uraharakisuke1329]

I don't know if you have read the CFYOW novels but the noble families are straight up responsible for the biggest crime in soul society history that affects the world until today

[@shimotsukivinsmoke2069]

@@uraharakisuke1329 I'm currently in the 2nd volume. I assume the biggest crime is the original sin involving the soul king. I just realised that the original sin is similar to One Piece's void century but unlike the latter, I don't see Soul Society residents being made aware of the sin any time soon.

[@CaptainKotetsu]

The soul society has a really bad habit of brushing their messes under the rug instead of actually cleaning them up.

[@MrGksarathy]

​@@maciejwucow1563They're actually great at their job, it's just that job isn't actually helping people, but maintaining the cycle of death and Soul Society's existence. It's just like many real systems in that way.

[@thediaz07]

@@MrGksarathy true

[@MrGksarathy]

@@maciejwucow1563 They have to make the oppressed buy into their own oppression, after all.

[@AJ-kt5zo]

​@@MrGksarathy Think it's why Hell gonna bit them in the ass.

[@CaptainKotetsu]

@@MrGksarathy The fact that they only care about maintaining the life and death balance(that they created in the first place) is the main flaw with how their system works. They send soul reapers into the world of the living to “protect” people from hollows and exorcize the lost spirits, yet there’s countless examples of hollows running rampant and unchecked in the world of the living. Not only are the soul reapers apparently incapable of controlling the hollows and keeping humans safe, but they also commit mass genocide against anyone who’s forced to take matters into their own hands because the soul reapers can’t do their jobs and exorcize all the hollows. The quincies, for instance; they killed hollows because they had to protect themselves, but were ultimately wiped out because the soul reapers didn’t want the balance disrupted. Some would argue that it’s the quincies’ fault because they didn’t agree to terms with the soul reapers, but I imagine the original gotei’s terms were something like “do what we say or die.” They were a bunch of bloodthirsty war criminals back then, after all.

[@TheJordanly]

Thank you for this video Tommo. Ginjo was one of my favorite characters and his lack of background in the main series was disappointing. You always put out awesome videos man, keep it up.

[@uraharakisuke1329]

Ginjo is one of my 10 favourite characters. I'm currently deep into the 2nd Volume of CFYOW and I'm very happy about the focus on the deceased Fullbringers

[@in-craig-ible6160]

Ginjo is a perfect example that if an author is given the time to make a compelling villain, they can do so. Weekly schedules destroyed not just the writers but also their stories. Glad to see it's gradually being phased out in the industry.

[@iwx4021]

definitely! in a world where approval ratings and weekly constraints weren’t a thing, ginjo could have been one of bleaches BEST best best villains

[@fer3glockboy167]

I always liked the idea of "nails" or fragments of the soul king. It gave him a slightly larger role in the series while also making the hogyoku somewhat more understandable with its god like properties.. and then of course it's the main reason why the tsunayashiro family targeted ginjo and the fullbringers.. I think the idea was well thought out and executed nicely

[@masterofmythology]

I think it'd be cool to learn about Ginjo's zanpakuto, its name and abilities.

[@gammafrost]

That’s what I said too. I’m curious as to what kind of abilities he had

[@graalera3365]

some zanpakuto has hollow some for example zangustu is hollow and quinicy power that itchigo has that ability

[@aaronwalcott513]

Goodness gracious!! The subterfuge was real!! If the isolation that Ichigo felt when Tsukishima inserted himself is anything to go by, then Ginjo must've been truly traumatised by his systematic ostracization. Tragic indeed.

[@kanedark8584]

Ginjo and Tsukishima so underrated

[@100mexk]

Man, whoever they seem to fight at the end of the arc it always seems like every villain was a monster that soul society themselves created, I agree with almost all of them lol

[@urameshitrev1851]

Yeah the Fullbringer Arc has a decent amount of cool concepts, and I'll admit the twist of Ginjo being the villain initially, was neat, if we even got a bit more of a backstory for him, he'd have been pretty solid antagonist. Even with...the fairly similar premise to an arc from Yu Yu Hakusho lol

[@AndréVilaFranca]

It's a great backstory, I wish we saw it in the manga but Kubo might still write it for the anime and/or a CFYOW OVA/films.

[@rrypara]

Not only did Ichigo have Shinigami friends in Renji and Rukia, his own father used to be a fucking captain. Even when Ichigo learned the truth, the level of betrayal he felt can't be compared to Ginjo. Ichigo could escape to the fact that had it been something REALLY dramatic, his father or his friends would have let him know. He has people that care for him, and people that he cares about to help him navigate through this.

[@OG_DSB]

Ginjou is in my top 5. Glad they gave us more lore and story about him in CFYOW. I really hope he’s included more in the TYBW anime than in the manga.

[@charlesblake9261]

I think ginjo is a very human character, hes not an awful person but not a heroic one either, he's just a guy who got distraught after the supposed betrayal of the soul society and is willing to stoop to nefarious means to exact his revenge on those who in his eyes gave him false hope but were just using him all along.

[@DonMegaPLP]

I wouldn't have hated seeing those Captains actually trying to kill Ichigo after his powers returned. Doubt it'd last too long, but it could have been interesting.

[@DonMegaPLP]

I thought the power stealing thing was a Fullbringer to Fullbringer thing? Or at least a human/Shinigami thing that required cooperation from both parties.. Ginjo can arbitrarily steal the powers of anyone he comes across?

[@Ykiro767]

I think he can "only" steal fullbring powers and shinigami powers as he is himself a fullbringer and a shinigami

[@SuperDuperSigmaMale]

I assume ginjos power robbing fullbring can rob the powers of anything he is, so he can rob the powers of hollows, shinigamj, and fullbringers everything else his powers don't work on.

[@M3g4UBERn00b]

I was really hoping he'd have a large, if not primary, role in TWBW after we first saw him in the arc

[@AJ-kt5zo]

Maybe the new anime will ( divert ) a smig , add to his , Fullbringers role.

[@ozzeroz8512]

I always liked Ginjo. He was cool, and the Fulbring arc was kinda wild. 8/10 villain for me overall, but power and aesthetic 10/10

[@mustafaozdemiroglu5853]

Thanks for video MrTommo You are the only good one who make GREAT Bleach videos🙏🏻

[@ZzigZaG00NIN]

Can't fear your own world puts it together so nicely I really hope we get to see it animated some day

[@holyarchangelmichael]

Ginjo is an interesting and tragic character. He's definitely still a villain, but it's easier to sympathize with him after learning more about his backstory in CFYOW. I'm glad we found out more about Ginjo because I had a feeling there was more to him than we initially saw in the Lost Agent Arc.

[@manuelacosta9463]

Indeed. It also really highlighted the shady and then treacherous nature that permeates Soul Society's higher ups. Then again the ancestors were unflinchingly ambitious usurpers so that explains a lot, especially regarding the nobles. Wolves are more honorable than them.........

[@Phantom_8222]

Central 46 really acts alot like U.S. congress and the Gotei (up to ichigo's arrival) acted like the corrupted police districts in Israel, U.S., Mexico, etc. Some squads were more corrupt than others. Also characters like Ichibei, Shunsui, Unohana, Ukitake, and Yamamoto really nailed that necessary evil vibes.

[@sammycakes8778]

Got to like how this guy was responsible for both tosen and ginjo turning against the soul society.

[@drjanitor6452]

Ginjo is my favorite bleach character. I did awlays wished he was used more in the TYBW. Reading about him in CFYOW was very nice.

[@ChristianMartinez-gb2wj]

Ichigo was such a threat that several captains had to be there to potentially take him down if he turned. A full power Fullbring Bankai Ichigo would destroy them though

[@billykotsos4642]

Ginjo and Tsukishima not getting a backstory is one of the reasons why Fullbring arc is so trash

[@MrGksarathy]

Ryōgo Narita has become the guy who just fills in lore gaps in other properties. It's great, even if he overdoses a bit.

[@satmtca]

I wish that this was put in the show and tokinada was made the real villain by the end of the season. Maybe we can get this in Hell Arc or at least get to see Ukitake meet Ginjo face to face again and he can apologize himself cause I think it also weighed on his heart after it all happened.

[@MaxIronsThird]

I hope Ginjou shows up in the Hell arc.

[@MaxIronsThird]

How much better the end of this arc would be, if they had swaped Hitsugaya for Ukitake, in the Gotei 13 group that comes to Kurakura Town and actually had Ginjou face his own villain(no actual battle).

[@rf7182]

If CFYOW animated this will be much much much better than TYBW

[@RemyEFrancis]

How many characters did Tokinada mess with? I know he's the reason Tosen became what he is now. Didn't know he was the reason Ginjo and the Gotei 13 fell out too.

[@MugetsuFused]

I think I remember he is somewhat involved with Kyorakus sister-in-law being executed.😢

[@RemyEFrancis]

@@MugetsuFused man Tokinada is a god-level hater 😭

[@nightsedge5719]

I saw a comment once that stuck with me. Ginjo wasn’t acting or pretending to be good to manipulate Ichigo. His memories were altered, and his experiences changed. This means that the Ginjo we see before he remembers his past was isn’t fake. Thats how he genuinely is. It makes you wonder how manipulative the Soul Society is

[@byejaye]

I feel like there were more substitute shinigamis maybe even 1000 years ago because the soul society are notorious for hiding secrets. I doubt they would of took lightly on how powerful these SS are like Ginjo and Ichigo. Im sure Ichibei could of granted a SS but at the time it was called different.

[@TheThezenith]

I wonder how it would of went if Ichigo had joined Ginjo at the end (I mean after everything that happened that would never happen but still an interesting fight)Ginjo, Ichigo and the Fullbringers vs Byakuya, Toshiro, Kenpachi, Renji, Rukia and Ikkaku.

[@Dawood_Awan]

Other Full bringers are a joke to these Captains but if Ichigo transformed to full hollow, then it'd be over for Captains

[@Eldagusto]

Just finished reading the fullbring arc and I loved ginjo and wanted more from him. Like shouldn’t he have multiple fullbring powers since he was able to share powers with Xcution?

[@Uberdude6666]

Hmm... you know how Rukia and Renji weren't supposed to go to Hueko Mundo to rescue Orihime, but then did so anyways? And then the 4 captains are even sendt after them? What if "monitoring Ichigo's decision" was just their excuse to go help Ichigo? Like they weren't allowed to just go and help him, so they needed a different "official" reason to be there? Also, Tokinada is this weird character who was not in the manga, but is getting like, integrated into the lore of Bleach. I think he fits in a lot better than many filler- or movie-characters. Also, he is totally going to hell, isn't he lol?

[@lordvasha5246]

Well the novels were meant to be cannon. So of course he's getting integrated into the story.

[@huntertezz]

He deserves a spot in hell but we still don't really know much about how hell works and technically he did not die in battle.

[@movespammerguyteam7colors]

This fills in all the plot holes that should have been filled in during that story arc in the first place. It also explains why the Afro shinigami laughed at Ichigo because it was completely unheard of that Substitute Shinigami were ever used to the general public of the Soul Society.

[@BlizzardofOze]

I always thought they made up the "substitute shinigami" thing up more or less on the spot and told Ichigo it was an established thing to avoid professional embarrassment or to trick the Central 46 or something.

[@rmeddy]

I always felt this character would've worked better if he was introduced before the soul society arc, because my problem is I never had the sense he had a pragmatic end game against Soul Society given what we knew at that point. I never had the sense he had any leg up over Soul Society and/or Urahara. As for the core ethical conceit as framed in the manga, him and the arc does still work because I would probably do the same in Soul Society's position, even after all they've been through against Aizen. I would be very concerned to say the least, especially seeing how powerful Ichigo became in that fight and that power doesn't even seem replicable among any of the captains maybe save Zaraki. I'm glad CFOYW addressed this and validated the character, kinda similar situation with Tosen who always felt a bit weak in the characterization department until reading that light novel and then he made more sense to me. I'm generally not a fan of purely evil sadistic puppetmaster taking away agency from the conceit as established from before but overall it works in this context for me.

[@yolkednick9286]

Ginjo was one of my favorites. I wish there was more character development

[@itachi-kun7736]

yeah i agree he should also did more help on ichigo against Ywhach

[@CanalDoPotatoras]

I feel like Ginjo never met Mayuri and never got the idea of how soul society operates

[@tnuhenaj3752]

Ginjo didn't bring this up and he probably should have but maybe kubo didn't consider this fact which is that the soul society could've stepped in at any time. It is impossible that it took urahara almost 2 years to realize his plan of creating the sword and restoring ichigo's powers. But we know that the soul society intentionally did not act until ichigo had revealed the location of ginjo for them and also until he had passed their loyalty test. Which means they just let orihime and the rest of ichigo's friends and family get completely fucked with and ichigo get emotionally broken. So they are horribly cruel and pragmatic. A big complaint is that ichigo never went to urahara about his powers, instead going to the completely unknown ginjo. Recall during the arrancar arc. Ichigo says that he didn't go to urahara about his hollow because he says if urahara could do anything about it he would've said something already. There's also of course the possibility that ichigo did go to urahara at some point during the timeskip. But we know how urahara would've responded. He would say he can't do anything. The reason is that he is in on the gotei's plan to let ichigo come into contact with ginjo, lead them to him and then find out whether he will ally with them after hearing the truth. And its very in character for urahara to allow all that to happen even if he could stop it. On top of that ginjo puts time pressure on ichigo with his plan. He needs powers immediately. He can't wait for urahara. The only issue is isshin. No way should ichigo's dad allow that to happen. So thats the only out of character bit. But in general its quite an airtight plot thread. Very well organized and pretty great.

[@Sanji_Vinsmoke_69]

Wow great video, this was much needed for Ginjo's backstory. I always felt that his brief and vague partial-backstory was a rather weak one to justify his motives for murder and exacting revenge on the soul society. But after hearing what had actually happened in CFYOW it makes me totally understand Ginjo's actions. It's a shame that CFYOW may never be considered canon though. I remember reading Bleach weekly and I was so excited for Ginjo's backstory to be revealed in the chapter after the young Tsuishima panel but never materialised due to the arc being cut short from low ratings. This backstory was much needed in the canon. I also wish we could've seen his Zanpakuto powers haha

[@aaronwalcott513]

This is why so many people decried the Lost Agent Arc as mess, when it was only unfortunately incomplete. Great writing again by Kubo-sensei.

[@naboume466]

Actually Ginjo's motivations were explained kinda even in the manga, in a very kubo like way, if you think about it Ginjo already told Ichigo his motivations when he told him about tsukishima the first time, you only need to know how Tsukishima's ability works and you can deduce what actually happened, in the story Ginjo told Ichigo, Tsukishima killed the fullbringers, at the time Ginjo was under Tsukishima's influence, so if Tsukishima wasn't the one who killed the fullbringers who did ? because Tsukishima only insert himself in someone's past he can't create other people that didn't exist, so the only possible explanation is that the shinigami were the one who killed them, add this to the truth about the combat pass and we kinda have the full story. Also I don't understand why wouldn't CFYOW be considered canon ? yeah sure it wasn't written by Kubo's hand so some details may not be completely accurate, like power levels and who is stronger than who, but the content itself is 100% canon as it came from Kubo himself.

[@varsoonhks3211]

Ginjo used to be a character that I liked well enough but that didn't stand out for me. After the series ended and I started playing a lot of Brave Souls, I've come to love his design and character. He's one of my favorite in all of BLEACH. In Kubo's case, it really is a fantastic example of less being more--from design to motivation to characterization.

[@varsoonhks3211]

I will say that the point made in this video regarding Ginjo's motivation being too simple for a villain of an arc is a bit short-sighted. It was refreshing to have a villain that wasn't a 4-D schemer with a god complex like Aizen and, furthermore, it was really nice to have a strong parallel and foil to Ichigo. I really loved that Ginjo's motivations were borne of Soul Society's otherization and treatment of Ginjo. Following Aizen, it is important to show that Soul Society is so flawed that these kinds of antagonists are borne of the inequalities and strife that the Soul Society puts into the world. Aizen, Gin, and Tousen aren't just isolated cases and Ginjo reminds us of that and has us questioning Ichigo's position relative to the Soul Society, too. With an arc that's balancing so much already, giving Ginjo deeper machinations wouldn't really serve the narrative much.

[@SatoshiSosuke]

The more I hear about CFYOW, the more I want to actually read it myself and see all of it's content. I also wonder if it'd ever be canon someday.

[@gammafrost]

There’s definitely a likelihood considering how popular the blood war anime adaptation has been

[@huntertezz]

It is mostly considered as canon. While Kubo didn't write it he was still heavily involved with it and he came up with alot of the lore stuff.

[@uraharakisuke1329]

I think it is considered canon by a big majority of the community since it all happened under Kubo's supervision. I can recommend the novels a lot, they make me appreciate Bleach a lot more

[@MelvinDRosaria]

I did wish Kubo would had the chance to include all this in the main material, cause for someone that hasn't read the light novels, this would explain so much about Ginjo's motives. I understand why Kubo couldn't, as there had to be some stuff cut from the source material, but it's a bit of a shame to do it in this round-a-bout way instead. I'm ok about this, that Kyõraku talked and apologized in Ukitake's stead. If the hell arc would return and Ginjo would be the one to go up agains Ukitake, then it would be a good way to at least mention that Ukitake is sorry on how the first Substitude soulreaper project transpired.

[@Problemsolver434]

What exactly is a substitute soul reaper. It always felt unclear to me

[@thediaz07]

Agreed.

[@GM-dg6mj]

i disliked that his final form wears white pants lmao his form prior to that is better

[@Deathsyth-ks8uz]

I think Ichigo as the grade A student he was ( extremely smart), figured out way early on it monitored him.

[@ThatGuyYouveKnown]

i hope in the hell arc they have ginjo fight ukitake or be part of the fight

[@TheTroyhalo]

as someone who's read all 3 light novel books ive been waiting ages for you to get into these

[@Lupinemancer87]

Tokinada is the type of villain I like the most, who is evil for the fun of it and don't really have a motivation beyond finding pleasure in it.

[@ginonunes843]

Problem with characters like this is basically their back stories are useless and there's too many of them badly written

[@MrGksarathy]

Not true for Tokinada, since his evil is also motivated by a bleak nihilism he developed upon realizing the world's original sin and just how shielded he and his family were from the consequences of that sin.

[@aleksihermonen9017]

Idea for a video: At which point in the story Ichogo surpasses each SS captain? Meaning that Ichigo would beat the said captain if they fought without any restrictions. Its clear that at the beginning he would lose to every captain but at the end he would beat most of them, but at which point in the story the scales tip toward Ichigo winning?

[@alfredosauce2798]

Soul society arc he's technically weaker afterwards because of his spiritual energy being absorbed by his combat pass

[@GelgoogJ]

I was not happy with the lost agent arc at first. But since I have watched videos on opinions and explanations it has grown on me. I wish there was someone to defend the Bount arc. I think it gets shit on too hard.

[@CorvusTheNerd]

I love this backstory. Shame it wasn't in the Manga/Anime. It really makes Ginjo even more of a tragic character.

[@edkolbe1850]

Ahh yes the Bleach: Chapter Black arc

[@kenshin391]

Man why they wait so late for this information? We could’ve used this info years ago. This makes so much sense and it’s sad. We knew the Shinigami were no good when we learned about Ichibei and what they did to the Soul King. Tokinada is the Danzo of a lot of things that happened in bleach.

[@deanthonypatton1791]

You can't compare Luffy and kaido's damage. Kaido not only went through 2 gauntlet prior to his 1 v 1 but he also has to fight a amped Luffy back to back. We all know Luffy heals after eating the guy can completely replace a tooth by drinking milk and has always ate after a fight to recover quickly from near death to completely fine. But my list 1. WB - him and Roger are the peak of the series 2. Roger - only reason I think he's a little weaker than WB is the gura gura. WB seems to have had all the abilities of non df users but on top of that he had the most destructive df. 3. Ryuma - the guy hands down stopped the entire world from invading wano alone. It's one of the best accomplishments in the series and gets him praised as a god in wano. He's the first known character to make a black blade. 4. Rocks - he was called Rogers greatest rival and had the potential to take over the world had Roger and garp not teamed up. 5. Garp - the guy is probably the strongest marine ever and doesn't use a df or weapon to be that strong. Rival or Roger and acknowledged by everyone in his generation he can't be any lower than this. 6. Rayleigh - he's always shown as someone extremely strong in his generation. Garp considered him as big a threat as WB which is major hype and Roger considered him a equal as a partner. He till this day by name alot can frighten a yonko in BB. 7. Sengoku - him and garp share a Roger and rayleigh style relationship Sengoku has never been shown any weaker than garp and they are always shown right near him. 8. Kaido - the guy is probably the biggest all around monster we will ever see in the series. He does everything great and the only thing that stops him from being high is he doesn't seem to has as big of AP as the rest of his abilities. No mistake kaido would take anyone the distance in fight. 9. Shiki - he has to be somewhere as he was 1 of the main rivals of Roger and took on garp and sengoku. That has to put you somewhere all time . 10. Mihawk - Wss and one of the only characters to make a black blade. His portrayal puts him above all swordmen which includes the likes of Fuji a admiral and shanks a yonko. He's one of the only characters to reach a peak of a specific fighting style.

[@thediaz07]

I'm sorry but if Ichigo, Ginjo, Isshin and Kisuke joined up to fight against Renji, Byakuya, Kenpachi and Ikaku they'd win...Rukia would just not fight bc she's too conflicted.

[@zephon6745]

Ginjo and Yhwach are the only ones that can give and take powers.

[@TaughtFirst-w7n]

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[@scratch2086]

Tokinada seems like he was written to be a scapegoat to chuck all the sins of certain characters off of while not erasing the over all moral grayness of the Soul Society at large.

[@DonMegaPLP]

I think/hope they will integrate some of, if not all of the lite novels into the new arc. Perhaps as an epilogue.

[@thediaz07]

I F with this channel...HEAVY! [Translation] I thoroughly enjoy this channel..very much indeed.

[@alihajilou4551]

I was thinking about the whole timeline of the universe of bleach since its inception till current era, and it would be a great idea for making a series (of maybe 4-5 episodes) covering and explaining the events taking place in the universe of bleach, including the source material itself (manga, anime), light novels (cfyow, safwy, etc), filler arcs (zanpakto, bount, atc), as well as potential events we dont know anything about yet but we recieved some hints on like the beast clan and their inception and etc. It would be a great source for all bleach fans to have these information as a whole, and its even much better to be narrated by someone like Mr.Tommo with his enjoyable way of explaining things... Like this comment if u agree so he sees it and maybe consider the idea...

[@Zedosanimes]

Nice vídeo, like always man!

[@Gearzero00]

Be nice if we get that so called hell arc, might get to see that Ginjo and Ukitake confrontation.

[@dwayneseymore9032]

Ginjo was human , hollow, fullbringer and soul reaper. While Ichigo was human, hollow, quincy, fullbringer and soul reaper. Similar but not alike

[@reaper7910]

What I wanna know is that why didn't Jushiro send out someone from his squad to inform Ginjo of the part where Tokinada fucked up the badge when he found out about it?

[@christopherg2347]

The 3 top villains of Bleach: 1. Nobility/Room 46 2. Yhwach 3. Aizen

[@Wid21425]

they did my boy dirty.

[@TheTuberguy1000]

Why do people consistently talk down and sh!t on CFYOW? Especially in the forum sites they keep going "NOT CANON. NOT GOOD. REEEEE". Even though its consistent with the manga story and does a good job of expanding things in general.

[@MugetsuFused]

Loud people tend to like loud flashy fighting constantly and this arc wasnt that? It just happens that they also cant differentiate between bad writing and personal preferences. I dont know, I try to keep in mind that my future self might have different tastes than me and that works pretty well. 😂

[@nashs.4206]

If Ichibei's powes don't work on soul king fragments, then does that mean that the fullbringers are unaffected too?

[@JioVega]

I don't believe that soul society actively betrayed Ginjo. I think Ginjo learned that the badge was a tracking device and he took it the wrong way. Like finding a camera in your bathroom.

[@JohnHernandez-e6v]

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[@aryansood9521]

One of my fav yourtubers...please never stop and please give us more bleach content😁

[@carpediem5969]

I'm a simple man, I see a video about my favorite Bleach character and I click immediately.

[@BulbaSmasher]

If Noone has realized... Ginjo is american Ichigo lol

[@isaacgoldenberg2278]

Ive never seen someone love a manga so much and also be so disappointed and critical of it at the same time. Its like a parents love for their child 😂

[@otiztisa]

At this point I feel like Kubo is just a messy writer 🤦🏽‍♂️ His work is all over the place

[@KaiserAfini]

7:00 I don't think that was really a gray choice. He helped them at the risk of both his mortal and spiritual life, without being a soldier, without being paid and being pitched against an elite threat. His reward ? Having his privacy invaded, a deadman switch placed upon him and threatening to kill him if he called them out on their behavior. Even though Yammamoto tried to wrap it up as a matter of honor, ultimately there wasn't true mutual goodwill on display, they were making the most beneficial choice for Soul Society. Ichigo was either an asset to be invested on or liability to be eliminated. It was a purely selfish choice, seems pretty evil to me.

[@Pridam]

The Gotei 13 maintained balance between the worlds. No one said they were the good guys

[@KaiserAfini]

@@Pridam That is not really balance. A shinigami will kill hollows regardless because they are also prime targets. They didn't have a good reason to place Ichigo under surveillance, or install a deadman switch. He didn't use quincy abilities at the time or have any way to invade the royal palace. He was no threat to the balance. This was all about consolidating power. I also never called Soul Society the good guys, they are clearly a dystopia. Which goes back to my point, their motives weren't grey, they were purely self interested and ultimately they were deliberating on a person's life based solely on the benefit it gave them. No greys there, its a purely villainous move.

[@Pridam]

@KaiserAfini They kill Hollows yes, but their method of killing Hollows would purify them into pure souls compared to the Quinch completely annihilating them, which upset the balance. I'm just saying, the Gotei 13 certainly see themselves as the keepers of balance

[@haziqsaffari9893]

Despite his earlier antagonistic actions, I come to not dislike him anymore, cause he was just another tragic victim of Tokinada's schemes. Glad Ginjo got to know the truth about what truly happened, and hope he can be better now. Wonder if Hell Arc can reunite him with Ukitake? They both need to fully clear the air with eachother. Because of him stealing and absorbing power and riatsu from Ichigo, he himself unintentionally became a Soul King candidate also. I hope it won't bring trouble to him later on, he should be left alone in peace.

[@MrBoBoBo]

He’s easily a top 5 coolest character

[@pedroramirez7998]

Great video!✊🏽 You should do an analysis video on chad and orihime on how they got their powers and “what they are”.

[@KristinMurray-t6g]

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[@dragonballoblivion8273]

I love the soul society, how ruthless kenpachi is (though be can be soft sometmes) , heinous mayuri is etc.

[@Mitke420]

7:34 nah we need to see alternate universe where ichigo sided with ginjo

[@carloscruzartchannel5345]

So when it comes to bleach games would you review them here or your second channel?

[@ThackerayJo]

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[@thewisetzar5363]

Should have added that in the manga in the first place

[@rolandtimmons6076]

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