MSI Claw Core Ultra 5 vs. Core Ultra 7

[@Hubwood]

Switched my Camera! What do you think? Update: Disabling all or 50% of the E-Cores, all LP Cores and Hyperthreading for the Coure Ultra 7 actually seems to help in some scenarios.

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

Looks much better. I thought you over-sharpened your videos previously while editing.

[@Hubwood]

Yeah had to film most of them at night due to free time duties with kids and family. And my old camera isn't good with less light, often leading to blurrier image etc. But I hop that won't be the case from now on :) 4K finally...

[@XJleBuSheK]

I thought about this too, so many cores don’t make sense with such a TDP

[@NootNoot.]

New camera looks great! Compared to the old one, the colors are great, and the old seemed a bit oversharpened and grainy. 4K and better low light, good upgrade

[@MrPhyrce]

You should test at 720/900p. I have seen benchmarks where the 135H Ultra 5 Version starts to pull ahead, as well as disabling turbo on the ultra 5 seems to really change the performance.

[@gamermixer7953]

They killed it before it was made 😢 by using intel and the price isn't helping at all, killed on arrival 😂

[@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716]

From what i found, seems intel approached msi to make this as intel didn't want amd to have a monopoly in handheld pc market

[@gamermixer7953]

@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716 but still marketing it for 100$ more and has 50/60% of performance (after the shit ton of updates and improvments) of the console that is 100$ cheaper (retail) so its just a rushed launch and it kinda hurts both companies reputation : /

[@treasty]

I think the claw will be discontinued

[@zomg346]

Would not surprise me 😂😂

[@AMRCineVerse]

Wow, I almost was willing to give it a 6 month life window, but after this comment I believe I will shift my interest to Legion Go or Rog Ally?

[@mercury4587]

Doubt it'll be discontinued because people will buy anything, even if the product is bad.

[@MateoThePro]

@@AMRCineVerse Rog Ally if you want something smaller, Legion Go if you want bigger screen and battery life

[@MrTARIQSs]

@@AMRCineVerseAlly is more polished in my view, it’s currently the safest and least compromised windows handheld option, its only downside is the fact that it could kill your micro sd card

[@TabalugaDragon]

Thanks for the video! A little offtopic, but I'm gonna once again mention how it seems like Intel is willingly giving the laptop\mobile market to their competitors. I was very tempted to buy an all Intel gaming laptop with an Arc GPU(it offered great specs per dollar, noticeably better than Nvidia and even AMD laptops) but after watching an Intel Arc desktop undervolting guide I was told undervolting doesn't work on their laptop Arc GPUs. So Intel locked it on both CPUs and GPUs, in the segment where undervolting is most important, where cooling is limited - laptops. I was a huge Intel fan before they started locking voltage control, as you could eliminate the main problem of gaming laptops - high temperatures. It resulted in lower noise, lower temps, better battery life, higher performance. And it peaked from 6-th to 9-th gen, where undervolting was EXTREMELY effective, often shaving off 10-15 degrees and increasing performance up to 15%. I guess Intel didn't like their buyers optimizing their CPUs so they locked it completely. Ever since I've turned away from them(I've bought a Legion 5 pro with Ryzen 6800h) and have been talking people out of buying Intel in laptops. I mean yes, they also have worse battery life, but if they kept undervolting I might have given them a chance, for trying at least. But they aren't. They don't respect their buyers, so in return, their buyers don't respect them.

[@Hubwood]

Totally understand what you mean. I was frustrated aswell when they forbid undervolting back then....

[@JoeL-xk6bo]

csn't outrun reality anymore. renaming nodes didn't even pay off since they're using tsmc for their "cutting edge" chips. not only are they still behind on fab technology, their architecture is behind. have not caught amd yet. we just keep ignoring their astronomically higher power draw. even meteor lake is not on par with zen 4. over the years many companies fell of in the new frontier of chip manufacturing and either sold their fab, changed their business model or went under. it is intel's turn, samsung is still fighting. dude, this is like sony having to pay nintendo to create their games.

[@12ig]

О, привет чyчeло, ты оказывается не только "эксперт" по ноутбукам но еще и английский знаешь?

[@yosegaman]

I feel sorry for people who bought this MSI CLAW but lot of people like me were aware about the bad idea to have intel for gpu instead of amd or nvidia ! I love my rog ally and I spent more than 130 hours on AC odyssey on it, it's a top demo game to show to your friends like forza horizon 4 ! (900p + RIS + 120Hz near ultra settings, more than 40fps for both games)

[@ihzanurk7413]

this is before update or after update brother ?

[@aaronyamato2230]

Thanks for the comparison. This just shows how bad the Ultra 7 is and that you can just get the ultra 5 with almost half the price

[@Hubwood]

Keep in mind those have been early driver's...

[@jeji5860]

800$ but worse than 600$ rog ally

[@Hubwood]

jupp....

[@Proteusz19]

got it brand new i7 for 407$ and for that.... its worh it

[@jeji5860]

@@Proteusz19 400? Yep, performance is all over the place but at least the joystick wont wear out

[@Proteusz19]

@@jeji5860 yep 407 usd for i7 but i got pc and Xbox so for me this will be a Perfect emu station 😀 not for top games, but i Hope controll or Alan walke 1 will work good on it

[@archobuild]

Good afternoon. You can be asked to make a video in which you compare the 4060 and 4080 mobile and desktop video cards. It is a new test of games, because developers are releasing patches for games to optimize on the latest maps. I would like to understand how big the difference between 4060 mobile and desktop is, relative to the difference between 4080 mobile and desktop. As far as I know, 4060 is not much difference, but 4080 is big, if you add a percentage difference in addition to fps, it will be super. Thank you very much!

[@aizensousuke6161]

even ultra 7 is not worth it, yet alone ultra 5? 🤣🤣🤣

[@iraklimgeladze5223]

Interesting to compare higher wattage once to amd

[@Hubwood]

What do you mean? :)

[@iraklimgeladze5223]

@@Hubwood i mean, that intel performance CPUs grow more linear then AMD. May be in laptop with less power constrain it will close gap in performance

[@aidanlilly8285]

I wonder if the core ultra 5 would do better since it doesn't need as much power as the core ultra 7 that could in theory take away from the gpu

[@XJleBuSheK]

When this thing have 16-14 cores, but that doesn't make sense

[@euden4848]

The Ultra 5 one cost about $430 on my country and probably the cheapest handheld pc now, is it worth to buy it at that price ?

[@Hubwood]

Yeah personally I think for 430 it's okay!

[@sanya_cev]

Во всех тестах не хватает 16 GB RAM. Недостаток по выделенным адресам в некоторых играх существенный, что говорит о том, что 16 ГБ ОЗУ это прошлый век.

[@boucha91]

Looks like new generation of old days using PSP lol

[@cashmoney2159]

i just got a laptop and its having a ddr5 12gb ram stick, but the problem is that in my country only 8 and 16gb ram sticks are sold now what should I do? buying which ram would be a better option 8gb or 16 for getting that dual channel boost?

[@Hubwood]

For ddr5 it's not that important. You'd be fine with 8gb if you want to save some bucks.

[@raptor_toes9852]

PLEASE DO THIS TESTING AGIN THE NEW Bios UPDATE 2 DAYS AGO BOOSTS PROFORMANCE UP TO 150% and 38% ACROSSS ALL GAMES

[@Hubwood]

Nah it's not across "all" games. It's a handfull of cherry picked games by Intel. Most games aren't affected alot or at all.

[@TrusteftTech]

That's what I like to see with Intel iGPUs. 1% low of low single digits on Cyberpunk. Intel knows what gamers want! I don't know what the excuse of MSI was for making these, perhaps they got a really good deal from Intel, perhaps each Claw is subsidized? Well...at least I hope so. The other thing I know is I keep seeing MSI laptop ads on my Instagram feed, with certain offers here in Greece, only to check the actual links and have way way higher prices instead. Seriously don't they get that if anything they make you not want anything to do with MSI? Other makers' ads are honest, the prices are what they advertise. Disgusting. Anyway, I feel sorry for anyone who bought this not knowing the history of Intel and their iGPUs driver support.

[@acek1605]

I think if would be fine if you slap a eGPU on it

[@Hubwood]

Surely ;)

[@ApexDesign-q2m]

So basically whats being said is stay the hell away from intel handhelds.

[@Hubwood]

I have a lot of hope for the Claw 2. They fixed alot and the new Lunar Lake Chips are MUUUUCH better.

[@umkhalid3526]

I bought ultra 7 they all suck

[@yosegaman]

ask for a refund or wait for updates :)

[@Heavy2Heavy2]

Okay for games claw is loser , what about software compatiblity ? Isnt intel supposed to be better than amd ?

[@Osinnii_Lis]

What software compatibility? What software you mean?

[@mgsan4702]

This is gaming machine Not work-station

[@patron286]

@@mgsan4702 gaming machine that can`t even game properly, wow. Why even bother releasing it for the same prise as Rog Ally? that`s just absurd

[@miuletzmitzu6641]

@@patron286 yeah and then they're gonna be shocked that it flopped. No shit, a product worse than other existing products that still costs the same price is a product nobody buys? I'm so shocked. Looks like it's about on par with the steamdeck, with way less features and higher prices

[@TrusteftTech]

If you are looking for something small to do work, better get an AMD mini PC, or a cheap laptop. I am saying this even though I am not an AMD fan. Hell, if you want quicksync (which I assume is the only advantage), just get a mini PC with one. Much cheaper. I really see no point in anyone other than youtuber buying this device.

[@willson496]

claw sucks msi sucks