MTA Installs New Platform Edge Barriers In Subway System

[@apexhunter935]

While full screen doors are probably not possible across the system, we can still do platform screen gates at most stations (similar to how tokyo does it)

[@redm91]

For platform screen doors to really work, the trains need uniform sizes so they all line up, or a way to line up different trains. As well, a platform large enough to support them. I think these are a good idea for narrower stations like 103rd st on Lex, or islands like 125th for the ABCD, but the MTA really needs to invest in platform screen doors at some point

[@ajs11201]

You're suggesting the ideal solution--and I agree--and you also correctly mentioned that before that could happen, all revenue trains that could ever run on a line must have uniform door positions, so that could be many years ahead.

[@redm91]

@@ajs11201 yeah, unfortunately. These barriers work for now, but how long is "for now"?

[@AL5520]

Actually no. There are now solutions of eurher adjustable screen doos, that were installed a few months ago in Japan JR Osaka station. Another option is veryical screen doors, opening upwards along the whole platform length that was tried in a station of Barcelona Metro and a rail station in France. There are also cheaper versions with a mesh like barier, instead of glss going up.

[@ajs11201]

@@AL5520 That's really interesting..... I hope the MTA investigates some of these solutions--they sound like great ideas that could solve a myriad problems and make travel much safe for a lot of New Yorkers.

[@BaileyChap]

The MTA operates a mix of 60 foot and 75 foot long train cars, each with 4 doors per-side, this means the spacing between doors varies wildly, making platform screen doors unlikely until the eventual retirement of the last 75 cars sometime in the next decade (maybe).

[@myley647]

I think every MTA Subway station should have yellow barriers on their platforms because it could help reduce the risk of accidents, and prevent some passengers from falling into the train tracks into certain death.

[@Huntieport]

No, they don't. To me these barriers just show how lazy the MTA are.

[@Brotatochip6507]

Or worse, if a bum throws a bike on the tracks

[@myley647]

@@Huntieport Not true. The staff of the MTA always find safer ways to keep every NYC subway passengers safe at every subway station. They worked very hard for this.

[@burbank]

Paris, France along with Cities in Korea, Japan and Southeast Asia have full floor to ceiling and half platform screen doors. These doors are designed with wider lengths as where they open, they do so in a wide enough circumference to accommodate different equipment and/or different length of trains along with how a train when it pulls in aligns with the platform. The wider length of the doors may be able to offer flexibility to accommodate different equipment, train lengths and variations of where a train pulls in in the instance of NYC. The MTA could contract with an architect, engineer or designer to create doors with wide versatility to accommodate rotating equipment and train lengths. Wider doors may be an option of the concerns presented by the narrator, Mystic Transit.

[@Santiago-lb5md]

Cities in Korea and Tokyo began with similar fences like thewe

[@louiszhang3050]

Japan still only mostly have half-height platform screen doors. It's good for MTA to start with those as those are easiest to retrofit onto an older system. The doors you're talking about are also best fit for half-height platform screen doors. Very few places have doors that can accommodate multiple train types and full height platform screen doors. Idk about Korea but after travelling through Japan I've only seen them once at a brand new terminal in Osaka Station (opened in mid-2023), with none in China (I lived in China for 6 years). And I can't imagine the Osaka doors came cheap because they don't even have them installed on every platform there, with some using the old half-height design. 2nd Avenue subway and all future stations should be designed with full-height platform screen doors and standard trains, however.

[@maknyc1539]

We should use the wire based platform screen doors that raise up as the train arrives. They're incredibly small and light and perfect for the Mta

[@nicholaswastakenwastaken]

they have different rolling stock in nyc

[@shaunizzkool]

The rolling stock of the MTA would be an issue though. It varies from IRT to BMT and IND lines and some platforms are shorter while others are longer. It would be a while before we see proper screen doors on the MTA.

[@djijspeakerguy4628]

The big barrier with true platform edge doors that line up with the train doors is, as mentioned here, a lack of standard door placement and car length in the fleet. It’s especially bad on the B division (lettered lines) as the train cars themselves are actually not the same length throughout the fleet, and will be that way for the next several years at least.

[@MunipalsFanJose]

0:37 it's the (F) and (Q) trains, just correcting that

[@Ihonestlydek]

Let him cook 👀

[@NorthEastTransitProductions]

We Do Not give a fk 😄

[@JavierVelez2007]

This is a fresh start. These should be at every single station.

[@darkwoodmovies]

So, this cost $10 million??? I thought that included like a floor-to-ceiling glass door system with automatically opening doors that sync to the train. This is a fucking fence that you can probably get all the supplies for at Home Depot for like under $1k per station. Where TF are the millions going?????

[@nyctransitrailfan]

No, this is a different design, the real $10 million platform barriers are set to be installed at Times Square on the 7 platform, 3rd avenue on the L train and Stuphin Blvd on the E if I’m correct

[@darkwoodmovies]

@@nyctransitrailfan Aah ok, that makes sense. Still curious how much the contractors charged for this though lmao

[@collinparsons3363]

These can't be installed at stations used by both 60 and 75 foot cars. It's a total non-starter. I assume for West 8th Street, only the F platforms are getting them. For IRT stations, I think the door layouts of the R62/A and the R142/A are similar enough to allow the installation of these barriers, but full platform screen doors can't be installed until every train serving a station has the exact same door layout.

[@metronorthfoamer4085]

I can see where they're coming from, it's for the spaces in between cars when the train is stopped, but fitting the entire system with floor-to-ceiling doors is something we shouldn't be spending money on tbh, there are more important things like tunnel infrastructure, signaling, trackwork, etc.

[@jimbo1637]

Between this and the ren-new-vation program, I like the direction the MTA is going. Focusing on tangible but achievable improvements is the best way forward.

[@electro_sykes]

they should put proper ones with the platform doors that only open when there is a train at the platform on the 7, L & the times square shuttle

[@tannermurray420]

a tragic accident is just waiting to happen on the L train during rush hour, really surprised to see none of these on that line

[@samuelitooooo]

I actually kinda like how these are nothing more than fences bolted onto the floor. It makes for temporary solutions until, for example, R46s and R68s are ready to be replaced with more new trains. I also think that the door positions are close enough on A division trains that these barriers will work decently at any platform. My bigger concern is stations with columns against the edge, like this one. By the way, what's new with the platform screen door pilot?

[@tombarzey7964]

In my opinion, these barriers are a joke compared to what you see overseas, for example London. But I guess it’s a start in progress!

[@Neville60001]

This station needs more than platform barriers, it needs to be completely refurbished.

[@peppertree5706]

The days of the R-46 are numbered.

[@aqua2poweros699]

I like these barriers. Just prefer them to be on an elevated while the underground stations utilize barriers similar to the JFK airtrain.

[@TiagoGomez-hb9te]

Agree

[@lowfurts]

"Ha you can't push me when my back or front is turned to this here barrier! You can't shove me you snake!" -Somedude I see this as in absolute win! A nice place to film safely

[@jonathanli31]

Modern problems require modern solutions

[@hobog]

Vertical platform barriers/gates fit all door arrangements of trains. They're most prevalent in Japan, but also seen in South Korea and as far as Sofia Bulgaria's metro

[@ajawalker2290]

Although I very rarely get off the 191st street station, I just hope those barriers will work out smoothly.

[@kidfrombrooklyn66]

PLAUSIBLE that this might works - in some stations the stair case takes up a large chunk of platform and to around those stairs a person is just very close to the yellow warning trip

[@frafraplanner9277]

FINALLYYYY!!! Talk to any subway operator, and they all have a story of not being able to avoid a person on the tracks

[@Pensyfan19]

I believe the spaces between these barriers are large enough to account for various door positions, but I'm more baffled that the MTA didn't implement automatic retractable doors, so this way the entirety of the platform is protected instead of a bout half at most.

[@thisis_mudchute]

they should have PEDs which go higher but not all the way to the top (like LUL Jubilee) which then have sliding doors that can be operated just with a button where drivers can easily reach out of the window on the side of the cab and press it, then in the future get new trains with actual PED technolog

[@michellethompson667]

0:39 F and Q, not F and G

[@shaunizzkool]

People aren’t being logical expecting state of the art platform screen doors on a system that’s hundred years old.. I mean this is not the best but it’s definitely a start. In order for MTA to have proper screen doors they would have rehabilitate and rebuild most of their underground platforms. A lot of the platforms wouldn’t be able to accommodate screen doors for many reasons. PLUS the rolling stock of the MTA isnt all the same. From 7 line using R188s and having 11 cars to 1 line using R62As. Also just putting screen doors on platforms would look odd and weird it would need to be pleasing to the eyes and compliment the station platform aside from being efficient. I definitely think it was a major fail they didn’t implement screen doors during phase 1 of the second avenue subway. I hope phase 2 they really implement it. If there’s any subway line that will get actual platform screen doors it probably would be the L as it’s fully deinterlined as well as it being a busy line.

[@randolphtwells1360]

West 8th Street Station is for the F and Q trains, not F and G trains (0:44).

[@AaronJrBrundidge]

The way I can see it now make sure to fill the entire platform with the the highest height possible, 6' high with sliding doors so that way nobody can be injured at any costs

[@AL5520]

Just installing platform screen doors at sations, probably not (although the gates ooption is more feasible and is installed in Japan overnight) but a long term renovation plan that includs stations renovation and preparing things to full automation is possible probably politically and financially impossible in NYC or any other place in the US.

[@mta25135]

West 8th street NY, on the F and "G" trains? what ever happened to the Q train stopping at west 8th street

[@jeremyc6054]

I don't think the R142 vs. R62 is a big issue, since as far as I know the numbers and spacings of the doors are the same, just where they are relative to the front of the car, so this could be solved by having two different stop markers. But the 60-foot vs. 75-foot car issue is more complicated since the number of doors and their spacings are different.

[@electro_sykes]

without proper at least half height doors that only open when theres a train at the platform, these are pretty much useless, as someone can still be pushed through the gaps. I think these barriers are adaptable to different sets, tho

[@bigfatlazydork]

I really enjoy your videos sir👍

[@Legonatic]

Need these at Canal St NQRW platforms

[@boguette_]

I think that the platform screen doors will become a reality starting with the L or the 7, which have a unique type of train EXCLUSIVE to the lines (L = R143 and the 7=R188). The MTA will unlikely implement platform screen doors on lines that still have SMEE trains (e.g. Broadway Line and 6 Avenue Line). But I do think that the letter lines will get this new implementation first. The R46s are already being the retired and the R62/A along with the R68/As will begin retirement in 10 years. During those 10 years, CBTC will be implemented on the Crosstown Line as well as 6th Avenue, bringing R160s to the B and D trains. . However, the 8th Avenue Line will get the Platform screen doors only on SELECTED stations. Stations with de-interlining such as Columbus Circle won't get Platform Screen doors since the (B) and (D) will have their stock of R68s still be in use. And probably one station will get platform screen doors each month, making this 20 years long :( - I do hope that the MTA will make this faster since people falling onto the tracks has always been an issue.

[@CoolTransport]

defo a W, feel like full height ones would be better tho

[@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2]

It would obstructive views and it's important for metro systems to preserve reasonable views for tourists

[@CoolTransport]

@@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2 yeah that is true, but at the end of the day safety is more important than asthetics

[@planesofhawaii]

i guess inspired from Honolulus Skyline rail

[@ajawalker2290]

Hello there Mystic Transit. 2024 is going well for you so far I hope.

[@TheLiamster]

These should be at every station

[@davidng2336]

I wonder if they’re even still doing the actual doors like they said before. Three stations are supposed to get it.

[@seanreidy2584]

Sorry if I'm missing something obvious here - but will this really do anything? There's still so much open space (like 75% of the space) which leave people vulnerable to jumping or being pushed. I don't see how this has any benefit in its current form.

[@lowfurts]

I see this as a good position to record So this is an absolute win

[@joermnyc]

Maybe if they had a little gate that slides out to cover the GIANT empty space where the fences don’t exist, sure. Otherwise this is just half a band-aid.

[@SirKenchalot]

Not all of the incidents of people ending up on tracks is due to 'accidents' as you put it.

[@localnyraccoon]

So far behind Japan, Korea, China, and pretty much all of Europe...

[@ishrakkhan5541]

0:40 “F and G train” cursed 😭

[@EndIessProductions]

? Wdym

[@mariekatherine5238]

“Somewhat” of a barrier? You know people are going to sit on them, walk on top like a balance beam, etc. And if you’re the type who enjoys pushing people, you can still do it in the open spaces.

[@jhostintola3092]

0:37 *Q

[@Postmail7495]

0:40 F & Q lines

[@chrisonthedot]

Do the japanese sliding door concept. That would be immaculate

[@georgesavino3305]

A good start.

[@EpicThe112]

Why not do a Half-height platform Screen doors like Hong Kong followed by Paris lines 1,4 & 13. The NYC version must be the same design as Paris Metro lines 1 & 13 due to the station infrastructure dating back to the 1900s.

[@TheCloakedTiger]

Looks like they missed a few spots… Why can’t they build the JFK style barriers?

[@shubox55]

I live right near that station and go there often!

[@productivity_tipz]

Honestly, like you said it will prevent some accidents but not all. For the biggest city in the country, they should make it better than whatever this is…

[@durece100]

The West 8th Street New York Aquarium is on F and Q trains, not G train. You made a mistake.

[@weenisw]

They won’t have to solve the questions about the rest of the system because this is a pilot without true intention to spread these or platform screen doors everywhere. It’s just to look like something is being done and to be able to say “we tried.” I don’t think it’s totally maliciously impotent though. The underlying problem is proper, consistent funding for transit which simply doesn’t happen in the US sadly

[@SalmanMentos]

I think these barriers are great but i would be mad if the doors is blocked by the barriers

[@transitcaptain]

Maybe they should have slidey doors at the gaps controlled by a station operator.

[@nyctransitrailfan]

Nope, too much money to hire station operators

[@craigmorris954]

I think it's stupid because they look for a way to spend money to make them look like they are doing something. None of the equipment is gonna be exactly in the same position

[@daikon711]

i dont understand why we can't just import osaka's rope style barriers that go up.

[@DennisLora2001]

That is a strange decision that the MTA made

[@MJB5377]

Somebody can still get pushed onto the tracks so please add platform screen doors

[@jonathantullin9906]

Why not on Carnarsie L Train or Flushing Line 7 train. Would be the easiest way to install these barriers. Only one line on each and only 8 car R160 and 11 car R188 on the Flushing Line 7 train. It's a dead giveaway to start these barriers in the system on these lines first before doing it system wide. Makes total sense to me?

[@nyctransitrailfan]

Makes sense to install them at grand central on the 7, no structural steels to intervene with the design, this one at 191 Street looks so off because of those huge columns

[@sandman.38]

The station looks so ghetto lol. Like a level out of 25 to Life on the Xbox Original

[@ArnavWarnav]

Even though it is safer, it kind of sucks for people who railfan and record the subway trains.

[@thomasawl]

they stopped me from edging ☹️

[@Scorpionovemeber]

So the (B) train on 145 opens both train sides doors, so how will that work?

[@AndrewTheRadarMan]

Now there's no excuse for installing proper PSDs. At least they could install half height DSDs like Japan

[@muradkurul8815]

They didn't put enough effort for safety

[@imrytebeehyneu]

😂😂 welp, it's a start...a bit lazy looking but a start...

[@goatiebaaproductions]

I heard about this. I'm glad that the MTA started implementing this. If we have this in more stations, then we should all be able to get around.

[@randylotito8045]

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[@Waltaere]

Mystiic 😃

[@piwitchbeyotch]

these are a really good idea, and are going to be literal lifesavers - but GOOD GOD THEYRE HIDEOUS. They couldn’t have tried to make them look decent?

[@FarmYardGaming]

I mean, it's better than nothing

[@fanner-pg3ex]

Wow

[@mixedhairless]

Fist step is always kinda ugly and awkward.

[@mikaeltradecenter]

hola.

[@jst4572]

Ewww just no. It’s like they’re doing the bare minimum. Just put the platform screen doors already and get it over with. Stop dragging your feet on things you know we need addressed two decades ago.

[@apexhunter935]

If it were such a simple task, we would've gotten those (or even platform screens barriers) already, but it clearly isnt, and no it's not just an issue with door positioning.

[@EPMTUNES]

I'm glad to see the progress here. Going from nothing to an actual test is a huge step. There are so many incidents of people ending up on the tracks whether it be accidental or not.

[@ajs11201]

@@EPMTUNES I'm glad, too. Of course, for those who deliberately want to be on the tracks, this won't solve that, but I still think it's a step in the right direction. As a wise person once told me: never let the perfect be the enemy of the good

[@LeonSuperman-vb7ex]

Not safe need working door

[@coachloubrown-22]

Useless, just more things to be graffiti-ed. If you have ever been on the Sky Harbor (Phoeniz, AZ) Sky Train, the platforms are enclosed so there is no access to the tracks. I assume the JFK skytrain is the same, but again, NYC vandals will destroy them if they were constructed. I guess these barriers will help prevent some subway pushings but it doesnt fully address the problem. Preventing access to the tracks will stop the pushings, subway surfings, and vandals (or terrorists) in the tunnels

[@davida6883]

Yeah NYC is third world

[@TiagoGomez-hb9te]

WDYM?

[@whythehecknot5038]

MTA's definition of "platform barriers" is small, waist high fence LMAO, what home depot ass budget was this installed on?

[@ElJibaro718]

You know it's temporary, right or are you just a little bit...slow 😂

[@whythehecknot5038]

@@ElJibaro718 my point is that I think they should have started with platform gate pilots from the beginning

[@fhs7838]

This is the cheapeast PSDs or platform barriers I ever seen. Hope at least it dosent cost much.

[@RiddimMixDJX]

Useless

[@randylotito8045]

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[@randylotito8045]

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