1930-1931: It takes 11 months to build the Empire State Building from top to bottom. 2015-2016: It takes the MTA more than half that time to fix and renovate one single subway station (mine for instance). Nothing too "rapid" about the MTA these days.
@diazjd938 жыл бұрын
N train?
@Cheezburgercatz8 жыл бұрын
I mean they had a different set of limitations. Think of what breaking up concrete releases, especially underground. It does seem ridiculous though.
@DESOFFICIAL18 жыл бұрын
I Got A Idea 😊, Make A MTA.Info Commercial, Based off Noobs from Minecraft & NYC Transit
@georgemurphy25795 жыл бұрын
Simply because white European Americans are no longer the driving force. Although Blacks and Asians were involved, all supervisory planning and work was done by European Western Civilized people. Sorry to say, but true.
@Velocipede-uy4kw4 жыл бұрын
@@georgemurphy2579 I think it has to do with the decline of all people, whites are the ones who led the decline and continue to make it worse as they own the media that says it's okay to be sloppy.
@cgerh925498 жыл бұрын
This film brought back such memories when I was a kid in Brooklyn. My dad used to take me on the subway to "radio row" in Courtland Street (future site of the World Trade Center) on Saturdays.
@qolspony3 жыл бұрын
I can't image a city without the wtc. Born 1970. But I did eventually. Sadly.
@geggy3102 жыл бұрын
you guys are lucky to have been able to see the subway back then, now there’s no unique car designs
@foxycovebiteof879 ай бұрын
Nice. Well back in my day, 1902, it was so nice.
@billvila15212 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing this movie at the Transit Museum in Brooklyn when it first opened in the 70's. As a child, I was fascinated with the sights and sounds of that era, especially that of the trains. Even though I was more apt to enjoying (and eventually driving) buses, trains still are an enjoyment to this day.
@StevieDisopolis4 жыл бұрын
Over 70 years later, passengers still hold the doors open. Some things never change.
@roncaruso9313 ай бұрын
Yes, things change for the worse. People being pushed onto the tracks. Robbed or beat up. Crime is out if control.
@lebronpryor66776 жыл бұрын
7:26 planners reviewed sections , those lines were later demolished (2nd ave and 3rd ave.) that's why the subway lines today are overcrowded. Because of real estate developers and the Robert Moses effect
@blakemcnamara91054 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that somebody brought this up. Imagine how good it would be to have the els still running today!
@blakemcnamara91054 жыл бұрын
@@kevsta67 I know right? Nowadays, I don't think that they could demolish it, so people would just have to deal with it. However, when those els were running, the neighbourhoods they occupied were mostly working-class where the people rarely complained. It was because of their demolition that the far East and West Sides became gentrified.
@georgemurphy25794 жыл бұрын
All of the elevated lines were demolished because of structural concerns, noise levels and upkeep. Sad, but true. There are numerous subway lines that still run above ground. Chicago has very little underground - most is elevated.
@blakemcnamara91054 жыл бұрын
@@georgemurphy2579 That's not true actually. It was more of an elitist scheme to eliminate working-class neighbourhoods in Manhattan. The reason that they were in a state of disrepair was because the city neglected them and doomed them to be demolished. The argument that "people along them didn't like them" and "they were a blight to the neighbourhood" were all fabricated.
@lebronpryor66774 жыл бұрын
@@blakemcnamara9105 blight and poor leadership was the trick to demolish the lines, but at all counts right now more than ever they are needed . as well as straight Bronx /Queens connection without traveling through Manhattan. Brooklyn -Staten Island tunnel that was never built supposed to spur off the R train line under Owls head park. NYC is still behind on new subway lines but the vision at that time was lets all move to long island and leave everyone else to scuffle in the city ghettos
@johnduff39142 жыл бұрын
01:32 There was still a couple of those old wooden turnstiles when I was a kid in the 70's.
@Mhel2023 Жыл бұрын
I remember a few on the Jamaica Ave El
@iknowuwanted49268 жыл бұрын
529 stations in 1949,now down to 469...
@QuarioQuario543217 жыл бұрын
Hunter deja The way most others count it, 421
@1575murray5 жыл бұрын
@Hunter D There is also another section of elevated structure on the 1 line in Manhattan from Dyckman St. to 225th St. which goes past the 207th St. shops to which a connection was built in 1988. The 225th St. station is in Manhattan since it is south of the original route of the Harlem River which was filled in long ago.
@QuarioQuario543215 жыл бұрын
Yes. We are now up to 424 approx.
@VinceHere984 жыл бұрын
I Know U Wanted *472
@Mnrr61314 жыл бұрын
Rip old south ferry
@jiankaiang64955 жыл бұрын
lol back then “25 seconds late, better hurry up”....now “2h delay, whatever”
@thetransitguy55943 жыл бұрын
@@ArrowIIIRailfan what the hell democrats gotta do with it jerk?
@thetransitguy55943 жыл бұрын
@@ArrowIIIRailfan How about you shut up dunce
@ArrowIIIRailfan3 жыл бұрын
@@thetransitguy5594 Im not gonna start a fight with you because I want no feelings hurt . I respect your opinion and if that is how you feel go for it . No disrespect to you
@thetransitguy55943 жыл бұрын
@@ArrowIIIRailfan Ok. Still that was pretty angering and I thought I had to ask why you’d thought that.
@ArrowIIIRailfan3 жыл бұрын
@@thetransitguy5594 Everybody has political opinion and as I can see so do you and I respect your opinion . But in my view ever since democrats dominated in NY taxes went up, crime went up, the subway was starting to become unreliable . Im just saying things have changed not necessarily for the better .
@ct96302 жыл бұрын
I got emotional with this video, especially with the music at the end. I always dreamed of seeing the Subway during this era as well as the elevateds. The subway is my favorite because I realize how old and iconic the system is, walking/riding through areas over a hundred years old in real time. This is filmed during the best period in history.
@trainbusfan8167 жыл бұрын
Our New York accent boy, love it.
@AlgolZ7 жыл бұрын
7:26 $5 million/mile in 1949 = $50.4 million/mile in 2017 Actual cost: $1.7 billion/mile
@OofusTwillip2 жыл бұрын
That $5,000,000 in 1949 is the equivalent of $62,544,328 today.
@franklyspeaking83357 жыл бұрын
Workin' down in the hole...My pop was a Conductor on the IRT 2 Train for 24 years. I remember him saying that..
@thetransitguy55943 жыл бұрын
Man. MAN! I seen clips of the subways from the 80’s and late 70’s but I never thought I would catch something so vintage and cool! This was some very nice footage from the 40’s and if there is more clips I would love to see them! I always wondered what the subway system was like BAAAACK THEN now my question was answered! 10/10
@parrot00519 жыл бұрын
Wish it was like this today and yea, bring back the RFW.
@Rocketfueler14 жыл бұрын
Given that this film was made in 1949, it's a great reminder that New York City was a global city long before the rest of the country accepted it. African-Americans, though few, were included, a Spanish-speaking voice, other foreign accents. For that era, when ethnic stereotypes were the rule in movies, this was an exception.
@basedmoonman934113 күн бұрын
New York City was 90% White in 1950. So it was drastically different than today.
@mikemainer30093 ай бұрын
I still have a piece of the 1940s subway in my living room. A porcelain strap grab handle and a driver's cab pressure gauge from the transit museum that I bought for a couple of bucks when I lived in Brooklyn back in the 1970s.
@jbFromNYC5 жыл бұрын
"You ever wanna test the cure for aggravation, try the subway. That is the Aberdeen Proving Ground." - Ralph Kramden 😆
@billysmith57217 жыл бұрын
i remember the cigarette vending machines with mirrors or the coke machines with a handle or the candy machines. i remember chuckles candy
@arielsea9087 Жыл бұрын
I remember Raisinets, Goobers, Twizzler, Bazooka Gum, Double Mint Gum, Good N Plenty, Milk Duds, Dots., Mary Jane. Some of these can be found today but the portions were bigger for less money.
@johnrobinsoniii4028 Жыл бұрын
@@arielsea9087And though this film was made four years before I was born, I do remember the vending machines in the subways particularly the IND in Brooklyn where I grew up. And the chewing gum I always associated with the subway were “Chicklets” and of course, “Dentine”.
@wordsfromourmaster95542 жыл бұрын
Ah….the days when people were pretty much law abiding
@Mr.Robert12 жыл бұрын
NO BLACKS !!
@kinkisharyocoasters3 жыл бұрын
fluorescent lights were brand-new on the trains at the time. none of them had a/c, the rooftops were all clerestory, and (I believe) no loudspeakers for the conductors. the subway was unified but still had three separate divisions with very limited inter-division transfers. no Rockaways trains, no Dyre Avenue trains, no Grand St or 57th/6th. fare just raised to a dime. dekalb interlocking was even worse than it is now. irt trains were only five cars. services had names instead of alphanumeric designations (the signs on the IND trains had letters, and there were numbers on the BMT triplexes and the brand-new R12s for the IRT) but you didn't see them on maps.
@michaelgreene47485 ай бұрын
The IRT locals were 5 cars. The express trains (except for the Pelham Expresses) were 10 cars
@parrot005110 жыл бұрын
Bring back the RFW so we can watch the tracks ahead.
@JorgeCat788 жыл бұрын
Hell no! I like my full-width cab!
@ChrisToTheSkies5 жыл бұрын
It still exists on the C line
@ChrisToTheSkies5 жыл бұрын
You’d have to catch and actual one though
@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa25 жыл бұрын
There’s still rfw window
@TheRailLeaguer5 жыл бұрын
That is the LAST thing you should be worrying about.
@danielwrynn47072 жыл бұрын
An excellent video of the subway in 1949. It is so cool to see all those old trains like the Lo Vs on IRT and the R1 to 9s on the Independent. And seeing the R10s, when they were brand new.
@roncaruso9313 ай бұрын
It's amazing to see clean stations. No graffiti. Nobody being robbed, beat up or pushed onto the tracks.
@noby_huangkonghsiong4 жыл бұрын
I wish the IRT elevated lines were still here. I would have hop on to marvel the view of the old history.
@ct96302 жыл бұрын
Every time I am on 3rd AV I look up and imagine the legendary tracks there, you can tell there once was a train due to how wide the Avenue is
@jason112595 ай бұрын
Such bizarre narration but great footage!
@burbank12 жыл бұрын
Well that was the 40s. It was an entirely different era. Burnside Ave looks so different today.
@qolspony3 жыл бұрын
Haha. Yes! It was strange seeing whites getting off the train at burnside. But look, back in the 1970s when I was a kid, there were still some whites in the west Bronx.
@johnduff39142 жыл бұрын
@@qolspony I thought that too. Look at all the white people at Burnside Ave!
@vincentm47172 жыл бұрын
I noticed they were planning the second Ave subway as far back as the 40s. Seems it took 70 years for this to come to fruition. Also the trains were much more crowded then, but service was much more frequent. I remember as a kid in the 60 and 70s one train came right after another during rush hours. You don't see that anymore. The one major improvement we do have today is at least all the cars now are air-conditioned. Those fans in the older cars only passed hot air in a train with wall to wall passengers.
@jamarnemcgill14003 жыл бұрын
3:22 Approaching 161st Street - Yankee Stadium/River Avenue
@Serafinasteve7 жыл бұрын
The MTA could not have "cared" as there was no MTA then!
@charlesbeyer70414 жыл бұрын
The "new" IRT Grand Central Station at this time already 32 years old. Interesting to note that they'll allow passengers to use antiquated stations built under old standards of construction, but we can't build those same ways anymore, which was far cheaper. Not sure which period is more exploitative of public funds, but at least back in the early 20th century a shit ton got done for the money spent. Could rebuild the entire system for what it took to build three new 2nd Av subway stations.
@danielyeroshalmi74924 жыл бұрын
that light sign from the 50's is still used today in the transit system for regular use of the modern subway
@therealifet4l7897 жыл бұрын
I'm 12 Yrs Old, Yes It Is Odd Why Is A 12 Year old kid Watching These [Awesome Vid, My Opinion] A Black and White Film, My Dad Used to work at The MTA so Did my Grandfather, It is So Pleasing To see How Was it at The 1940's and Present Day Today, To Be Honest I think the 1940's MTA Is Better. I think New York Has The Most Interesting History.
@VinceHere984 жыл бұрын
MTA didn’t even exist yet in the 1940’s. Most of the subways were run by the City.
@blakemcnamara91054 жыл бұрын
It was under the Board of Transportation back then.
@TheStig_TG3 жыл бұрын
The MTA didn't exist in the 40s that was the IRT IND & BMT
@TheKewlPerson2 ай бұрын
Funny how they're still using this same technology for the most part, except somehow it runs even worse
@VinceHere984 жыл бұрын
Kinda interesting to see what the Subway was like just only years after WW2 ended :)
@kinkisharyocoasters3 жыл бұрын
i'd imagine many of the passengers were still on edge
@Lekirius2 жыл бұрын
Imagine how many in that subway car were vets,
@arielsea9087 Жыл бұрын
I noticed they dressed nicely.
@eatsomeseaweed97603 жыл бұрын
Clean. Timely. No fighting. Hmm, I wonder what changed...
@Mr.Robert12 жыл бұрын
Let me take a little guess video games rap music people wanting to be gangsters no parenting children having children drugs ghettos blaming everything on the white man
@arielsea9087 Жыл бұрын
People’s lack of values. Society became disposable.
@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer3 ай бұрын
@@arielsea9087No, it's because Robert Moses came and defunded the NYCTA.
@Galidorquest3 жыл бұрын
I love how everyone dressed so sharp. Also, there's a black woman @ 0:46!!
@roncaruso9313 ай бұрын
Blacks live in NYC then. Why wouldn't you see a black on the subway?
@lydialilli43519 жыл бұрын
When people were civilized and the MTA cared.
@sentai229 жыл бұрын
Lydia Lilli The MTA did not exist back then, the city control the subways.it was the city that let the subway system fall to disrepair from the 60's to the let 70's and we are still repairing the damage to this day.
@lydialilli43519 жыл бұрын
I don't care.
@SomeRamdomAhole9 жыл бұрын
+Lydia Lilli well you cared enough to reply back so...................
@stevenalexander57158 жыл бұрын
+Lydia Lilli They care ALOT!!
@Cheezburgercatz8 жыл бұрын
People are civilized when they have economic opportunity and a decently high standard of living. Things many areas lack in this current economy. Was segregation civilized behavior? No. It's all about perspective, the good ol days were not as good as nostalgia will have us believe. Problems just shift
@christopherlucy1772 Жыл бұрын
I saw some of these cars in Brooklyn at the museum..occasionally they r run..they had a turnstile 2...I'd like 2 see the busses...My school bus was usually a Jackie Gleason type and some even older...I love the gear noise on the old time car sets..
@TheCloakedTiger4 жыл бұрын
Back when things seemed simpler...
@Mr.Robert12 жыл бұрын
No gangs of gangsters running around the subway system like animals like they do today they would never get away with it right to jail
@youhandle97 жыл бұрын
wow.. this is amazing..
@georgemurphy25794 жыл бұрын
Theses are all factors. Nothing ever happens for a singular reason. I heard otherwise, but it looks as though your points are also valid! It foes make sense.
@losh3302 жыл бұрын
Crazy to think that most of the trains that replaced these have been or are about to be replaced.
@ajjj4wood13 жыл бұрын
This was when the Myrtle avenue el was still around
@JakeGaming26343 жыл бұрын
Myrtle Avenue Elevated Line is discontinued on 1969.
@unc15897 ай бұрын
I love the city I grew up in. We were all so tough. So no nonsense .The city shaped us. If you were from outta town you couldn’t remain like you were back home. You had to conform to the city. If you liked to take life slow you better not be on the subway during rush hour. You learn that day one. Day 2 you know what to do. We learned lessons fast in NY. New Yorkers are not nice. Nice is time consuming. New Yorkers are kind! We will come to your aid in a heartbeat. Just don’t spend too much time shaking our hand afterwards. We got places to be. “I helped the guy but he almost made me miss the express saying thank you. He wouldn’t let go my hand.I woulda been late taking the local. Sheez” Typical NY Atittude😂. I lived other places where everybody smiles and was nice. Tee hee all day long. If you needed help they’d walk right by you. Smiling. Boy do I miss NY.
@NightMotorcyclist2 жыл бұрын
Many of the things done in the video are still done in the same fashion today especially the inspection runs where we have to clear up upon seeing a train heading towards us.
@sopaman123411 жыл бұрын
They still do..
@eatsomeseaweed97603 жыл бұрын
Clean. Timely. No fighting. Hmm, I wonder what changed...0
@briangasser9732 жыл бұрын
Also rampant racism, sexism, and anti-gay culture. It wasn't all good in the past.
@klewis51114 жыл бұрын
Everybody looks like they work in advertising!
@louiszhang30508 ай бұрын
Seems like America used to put in the same amount of pride and effort into their rapid transit systems as we see in Japan nowadays. Too bad big car companies had to take it all away from us...
@evilwatermelon2914 жыл бұрын
@Roboboy OMG that would be fantastic!
@robertsontirado44787 жыл бұрын
The days when no one has sleep apnea for some reason. And pride in their work, not looking for false disabilities claim, sue the boss.
@Mr.Robert12 жыл бұрын
Imagine that people working to make the money the harder they worked the more money they made and what happened was people got into that group now everybody's into the lazy group
@Mr.Robert1 Жыл бұрын
LOOK AT THE TRAINS WE HAVE TODAY. 300 MPH SMOOTH AND CLEAN. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO TO JAPAN OR OTHER COUNTRIES NOT IN AMERICA. WE ARE TO BUSY EATING WATCHING TV AND GETTING FAT AND LAZY.
@billysmith57217 жыл бұрын
"black eyed pete" word game in the ny daily mirror newspaper. flat iron building
@litlgrey5 жыл бұрын
Okay, I will admit to having been born yesterday and 1949 was a long, long time before yesterday, but based on this documentarian slice of mid-20th century urban cinema verité, can someone - anyone - please tell me how long after this film was made were People of Color invented?
@blakemcnamara91053 жыл бұрын
Bruh... There weren't that many in the city yet. Most blacks in New York lived in Harlem at the time and there weren't many Hispanic or Asian immigrants yet.
@mtanyc14 жыл бұрын
Thank you**** from a railfan for life!
@sonic2batt14 жыл бұрын
That's when RAPID transit was RAPID. Now the MTA has morphed it into "MASS Transit", and slowed down all of the trains. THANKS MTA........
@RBzee1125 жыл бұрын
The trains were slowed down because of all the derailments that injured passengers. You're probably too young to remember.
@thomasponzio83458 жыл бұрын
lovevthe part guy with drum trying to get on train......conductor hit him again..I dare ya
@matthewbulger58765 жыл бұрын
Who's The Cinematographer For This Documentary? I Await Your Answer.
@larrydee88594 жыл бұрын
Time to bring back, The LEX AVE. THRU EXPRESS, and other THRU EXPRESS service.
@sunny711694 жыл бұрын
Yup. Used to get on at 42nd Street, stopped at 59th, 86th, 125th, and then 177th street. Didn't take long to get home to Parkchester in the 50's and 60's. Heven't been back to the City for a long time. Can't look out the front window of the 1st car anymore? Loved to do that as a kid and sit on those stuffed seats that were covered with yellow woven plastic of some sort.
@failyourwaytothetop2 жыл бұрын
Most of 1940s technology we in 2022 do not understand.
@childrensorg8562 жыл бұрын
Lol. True.
@americangiant1003 Жыл бұрын
Sad but true. Over 75 years later and many of the WW II era/late 1940's technology is still around with the NYC subway system here in the mid 2020's decade.
@raraszek2 жыл бұрын
When the transit system was safe, white, clean, efficient.
@americangiant1003 Жыл бұрын
OK. The days of America being an 100% "White" country had long sailed in 1949, let alone in 2023. Thanks idiot for that racist comment.
@OmertaHannover Жыл бұрын
@@americangiant1003 Actually 1965 was the year.
@johnrobinsoniii40282 жыл бұрын
Four years before I was born.
@TeXcreator Жыл бұрын
So this is the old 4 train
@鉄道とおこぷれ大好きチャンネル2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed video
@danielyeroshalmi74924 жыл бұрын
heres a video of the archives of 2010
@Mr.Robert12 жыл бұрын
Perfect. Everybody's doing their job no graffiti everybody's wearing a suit and tie respectful and no niggas perfect the way the world should be the way it used to be
@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer3 ай бұрын
1. Don't say the N-word! 2. There were African Americans on the subway, as famously recounted in Billy Strayhorn's "Take the A Train."
@TheKewlPerson2 ай бұрын
Huh?? HUH?!?
@johnny4aces4102 жыл бұрын
My, have the demographics changed!
@ashtonjames71663 жыл бұрын
When operators bragged about how late they could brake
@taylorlee51032 жыл бұрын
These films look staged like a movie production. That dude with the newspaper is an actor? He's in every one of these films. Notice no one looks into the camera, at that time must be huge like the size of a suitcase.
@mkeough2313 жыл бұрын
lol second avenue
@qolspony3 жыл бұрын
It's weird seeing whites get off at Euclid Avenue or anywhere outside Jay Street on the."A" line in Brooklyn. It's also weird that Canarsie is no longer a majority white neighborhood. My best moments in the subway was the 1980s and 1990s. I never been to.Canarsie because I always perceive it like a mini Howard Beach. Weeeeeellllllllll.
@zo7vz2 жыл бұрын
1:22 vending machines, robbing New Yorkers since 1949 ☹️
@davidmecir83524 жыл бұрын
NYCT is not rapid transit but mass transit
@kelleymarina79339 ай бұрын
“that’s my foot” “well good you can have it” what happened lol i gotta know even if it’s fake
@euromatrixkung7 жыл бұрын
Wow i was born in 1999 and 2009
@jackurbani58519 жыл бұрын
Brooklyn-Queens Waterfront Light Rail connects to LaGuardia kzbin.info/www/bejne/eomVdJiDoL6SfZI
@pauli60436 жыл бұрын
And not one computer or smartphone in sight!
@AlvinGuoSubscribe5 жыл бұрын
Yeh uh
@ColdSid5 жыл бұрын
Yeah cause they didn’t exist then I hate when people do this shit “ not a iPhone in sight “ shit is so played out it’s the 21st century get with it
@Mr.Robert12 жыл бұрын
Today's time wasters
@Mr.Robert12 жыл бұрын
@@ColdSid The truth of the matter is Sean people are not using the technology properly I do I use it to learn research check my email listen to music I don't play games on social media I don't have a tick tock account I don't have a Facebook account anymore and I never opened up Twitter screw that I got work to do no time to play games I got a family to raise if people would use their computers and their cell phones properly they could actually get assistance with the things that they need in life as opposed to just wasting time that's what goes on today and that's why there are so many haters hopefully that will open up your eyes a little bit
@ColdSid2 жыл бұрын
@@Mr.Robert1 that’s absolutely great .. kudos to you .. bottom line is some people use their technology for research others use it to scroll thru Facebook and make videos on TikTok .. judging by your profile you seem like an older gentleman so you didn’t grow up with Gen Z all they know is Facebook Instagram TikTok iPhone etc .. technology evolved times have changed don’t judge what others do in their life
@luisreyes19632 ай бұрын
The salad days of NYC subways before the homeless winos, muggers, vandals & assorted vermin who exist at night...😰
@danielyeroshalmi74924 жыл бұрын
"eastern pwky"
@Venom32542 жыл бұрын
This looks terrifying
@Mr.Robert12 жыл бұрын
What's terrifying about it it's how people got where they needed to go very efficiently and very affordable still being used today the same exact way only more modern and more dangerous as we have thugs now thanks to video games parents that don't do their jobs rap music and television
@Franaflyby2 жыл бұрын
This was a time when people actually worked for a living. Not like today y'all are at home with covid waiting for your next stimulus check. Oh how times have changed.
@anishapoorwakispotta77542 жыл бұрын
Well by that logic the most hardworking people are in the global south, yet they don't receive rewards for their hard work. Shut the fck up
@Mr.Robert12 жыл бұрын
I've been working for 38 years 6 days a week 10 hours a day how about you Mr lazy
@americangiant1003 Жыл бұрын
An outdated post from the COVID era with I assume Trump loving MAGA fan. By the way Newtron, what about Billionaires such as Jeff Bezos paying little or no sales taxes at all? News flash there are 'crooks' who abuse in all backgrounds. Whether from East New York, Brooklyn or Palm Beach. Sounds like you only want rich people in America. Thanks for crashing this thread troll.
@briangasser9732 жыл бұрын
Not a lot of diversity in this video.
@melcooperman2073 Жыл бұрын
No farebeaters, no track pushers, no ghetto behavior no wilding in those days. Just normal people. That was.....