Teaching Arena Zoomers About Emrakul and Chalice | Against the Odds

[@trevorkuhfuss3968]

I think calling Ajani a sleeper card is one of my favorite unintended puns ever🤣

[@joelhaggis5054]

He *was* a sleeper. Now he's been cured.

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

​@@joelhaggis5054 so they say...I still think the turned planeswalkers that have been cured will end up being the new praetor like leaders of the next phyrexians.

[@bencheevers6693]

Cat naps

[@jonathanlopez332]

35:31 SETH CURSES ON CAMERA CONFIRMED

[@jacksonstein809]

ESSENCE FUCKS

[@swampybwoy]

😂

[@smore8566]

Immediately went looking for comments about this lmao

[@enricobreveglieri397]

It took only 10 years but we finally got it

[@hectorreyes248]

Hahahahahaha sneaky !

[@zaksaturday1693]

"There is a downside to all the power the One Ring offers, which is sometimes it kills ya" - Gandalf 13:43

[@L_O_V_E_L_A_I_N]

29:00 If you're missing lands like that you can cast Kozilek's Command with X=0 to scry 0 and draw a card. Not sure it would've been enough to win but it was worth a shot.

[@zaksaturday1693]

It can also still snipe a 0 cmc token when you're at x=0 too, which does do at least something

[@daxamlhant7285]

In the games where you are trying to find that third land the kozilek's command can still be used for X=0 to dig deeper. 2 mana cantrip isn't great, but stuck on 2 is worse

[@TransformersBoss]

Exile up to one target token creature, then draw a card

[@daxamlhant7285]

@@TransformersBoss I didn't even consider that you could also hit a token. X=0 seems pretty fine then

[@zemyla]

When I saw the notification, I thought it was about playing Chalice for 12, then casting Emrakul and getting the cast trigger while avoiding the leaves play trigger.

[@swampybwoy]

hahahahahsha 😂

[@thecrazycapn]

The true Against the Odds.

[@jrjamesson]

would have been an actual against the odds instead of "cast one of the all-time great hate cards" (and also the one ring)

[@62ECN]

Wouldn't Chalice on 12 means Chalice for... 24?

[@zemyla]

@@62ECN It sure would. That's what makes it Against the Odds.

[@miguelfreitas5343]

Ah, yes Seth 😌 Teach those Arena Zoomers about a card that came out a week and a half ago 😂

[@foundcause898]

So nostalgic

[@martinhall7650]

I think it's an analog for old emrakul which isn't on arena

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

Missing the entirety of "And Chalice".

[@jaryRim]

Maybe everybody playing MTGA are zoomers.

[@anthonymentalewicz5143]

Found the zoomer...

[@ursulcx299]

"Key to the city? Really important to this deck" You could say it was a key piece

[@mewr11]

FYI the chance to hit Ugin's Labyrinth off Devourer of Destiny (Assuming you don't already have a labyrinth in hand) is only 27%. Even with two Devourers, which digs seven deep on your first upkeep, the chances are only 44%. Don't keep a hand that only works if your Devourer finds the Labyrinth.

[@Nostale97]

You can decline to select one with the first Devourer, since putting one card on top is a "may", and dig eight deep if you really need it, and decline as well the second to test your luck with the ninth card. It doesn't improve the chances much, but if you're desperate it's something you can do.

[@colinlynch6491]

But 27% of the time it woeks 100% of the time

[@MitzyPuppy]

13:41 If you played Karn, you could’ve grabbed the One Ring out of your sideboard and cast it to not die

[@erikkleve8389]

Yea I saw that

[@Zerothas]

Also could have just blocked with all the scions and banked on hitting a land with ring + draw for turn to discard Emrakul to handsize to cast it. Would have had 7 life with 2 on the way from Cindervines and 3 on the way from Ring, but with the opponents board. They can play Lurrus can't chump Emrakul but even if they block it you can draw 5 for an answer, otherwise the Emrakul swing is lethal. Idk seemed in the bag.

[@Anaicyl]

At 44:30 Your opponent could have multiple cards exiled with amulet because they flickered the amulet. Because of this, the game considers it a new object and no new card was exiled with the first amulet.

[@StevenDrawsLive]

That Essence Fuxx tho??? 👀👀👀

[@shadowfox513]

it sure does

[@corbenmurphy1807]

13:30 the line is: tap ring, play land, cast Karn, minus for ring, cast ring, pass turn. Im not sure if that buys you enough time, but you had Karn in hand, and conceded when you didnt draw another ring!

[@TheWorldsStage]

"Matzalantli, the Great Door" also works as an instant speed discard effect, also "Phyrexian Scrapyard" instead of "Geier Reach Sanitarium"

[@imakuni67]

People get hostile in the comments about Alchemy Cards 🙄 But, yes that is much better option.

[@TheWorldsStage]

@@imakuni67 right. I forgot about the anti-alchemy cards purists out there

[@TransformersBoss]

44:23 Amulet exiles the card and lets you play it as long as it’s exiled and you haven’t used amulet a second time. Amulet doesn’t have to still be in play for you to play the card. The opponent flickered Amulet with Phelia, so the exiled card will forever have the “you can play this from exile” rider attached to it, and the “new” amulet can exile another card. Pretty sweet interaction.

[@ReyosBlackwood]

9:09 probably on "play 30 black or green spells" so tossing them to chalice still counts

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

I do this shit constantly. I don't care about winning on Arena unless I'm playing Brawl cause I love commander(used to love standard, but that was 10 years ago), so I'll just go into games and cast whatever for the rewards so I can make my Brawl decks better or make new Brawl decks.

[@ReyosBlackwood]

@casteanpreswyn7528 in the ranked ladder and at the tiers where Seth plays im sure they care, doesn't mean when you know you lost, you can't get those last few spells in for your daily. If it's a color I don't have anything very competitive for, ill play unranked games for it.

[@alwaysplaythegame]

Not drawing with kozileks command was brutal in some of these games.

[@InsertCleverNameHere0]

"So what did we learn this week?" We learned drawing lands is hard 😅

[@Hawko1313]

and the one ring is damn good... though we've known that for a while now

[@johndoe9343]

MTG Arena, but everytime an opponent attacks you while you have protection from everything like from One Ring, a big "NO" appears instead of any attack animations. (any attack triggers can still go off, just the animations are replaced)

[@faceoctopus4571]

That's nice, because before the attack animations happened, but slower than normal.

[@Beam_on_team]

48:21 remember you can decline to choose with devourer trigger, so instead of locking yourself into drawing a medium card you can exile all 4 and hope you have what you're looking for on top

[@svendejong8110]

Find someone who believes in you as much as Seth believes in Devourer of Destiny finding him an Ugin's Labyrinth.

[@lukepilon4440]

I love saying that CGBs 1 hr video is a little long in a 1 hr video 🤣

[@fdterritory]

Timeless seems like a great format for players who have a lot of money and hate everyone else.

[@slaphappy-qb3jb]

That's literally magic as a whole. It's prohibitively expensive to get into

[@Gorbgorbenson]

It's about the same as any other format. There are cheap options, like Burn, and expensive ones like Show and Tell, Eldrazi or Scam.

[@TheEvolver311]

​@@Gorbgorbenson You honestly listed like the only real decks in the format

[@Gorbgorbenson]

@TheEvolver311 that's not close to true. There's a lot of variety in the format, and SnT is far worse now than before mh3. Jund is viable, boros energy is really good, UB control, Belcher though it's a gimmick, grixis shadow, just off the top of my head.

[@wickidgames]

​@slaphappy-qb3jb I've built commander decks for less than $50 that keep up with the more expensive decks. Also pauper exists.

[@davidhansen5067]

57:36 Stealing an Arby with a Magic card still seems pretty powerful, Seth.

[@Dot_Eleven]

44:30 -ish. They Blinked the amulet. Because they blinked the amulet it's technically a completely new amulet without any connection the the Phelia that was previously exiled with it. This is why they can have multiple cards exiled with one amulet because it's different instances of the same card.

[@CaptTelnet]

You’re stretching it a bit with this series now. That Emrakul is brand new lol.

[@CaptTelnet]

@iexist9966 …I’m not even sure what you’re arguing here. The basis of this series is showing newer players; older no longer supported archetypes that are unfun to play against such as stax or ponza. Emrakul being an older character has no relation to how the deck plays. The decks’ gameplan is not how an old prison style deck that runs chalice tends to play. The arena zoomer videos are very popular, so they are trying to make more but ultimately they have run out of ways to do that with the cards they have. And so, this video.

[@jerinbiju7870]

Seth: I won't scoop Also Seth: scoops the previous round

[@shapied]

Would phyrexian scrapyard be good in this deck?? I think it would as you could discard Emmy.

[@charlesfuller7774]

Essence what now?! 👀

[@electric_dream_machine]

So beautiful to see Lurrus folding to Chalice of the Void.

[@johnwilliams2385]

So, when you play both forsaken monument and arid mesa in this deck, you get to play this whole game with your ugin's labyrinth focused on getting down monument as soon as possible so you can tap labyrinth to return your devourer of destiny or something else crazy and just cast it and then return the labyrinth at something with mesaimprinted mana to have very sneaky turns, like if they don't keep in mind that we are actually plus 3 mana on our next turn.

[@22chameleonman]

Saw a few turns of being stalled. You could have used Key to the City to loot into a land 🤷

[@MrNesgamefreak]

“You can’t control what comes off the top of your deck” Scrying: am I a joke to you?

[@REON-pw5ze]

Seff become an evil MTG professor, always seeking to teach Arena Zoomers

[@andrewkoch9027]

q: can't you K command for 0 and still draw?

[@Marksmaan]

The first opponent who Chalice checked before conceding may have just been trying to complete their quests for the day sooner.

[@rubeshere]

Kozilek's command can also be played for 0 to just cycle it. Very good when you need lands, like you did in the last game against Ajani

[@timothye.2902]

cycle *and* get a creature token (MV = 0) off the board. Not a terrible play if you're digging for a land drop.

[@SnakePoker]

in your second game, you could have went straight to end step, discarded emrakul, paid 6 by saccing a token and with your lands making 5. youre one ring hits you for 2 and you're down to 1. swing in for lethal next turn so long as they don't hit anything to ping you for damage it was gg in your favor.

[@doktorwyvern2883]

Game 2? 13:31 he has 7 cards in hand, he can't discard to hand size.

[@bigdamij]

9:08 they were getting their quests for casting spells before conceding

[@wormspeaker]

Emrakul, the Little Man in the Canoe

[@darklord161]

Also emrakul + mana drain is great, because she never hits the battlefield so you never sac your board

[@xboxgamer474246]

I feel bad for Thought Knot Seer in this deck. There are so many turns where he’s ready to get smashing but he shares a curve slot with The One Ring, which just does what it always does :p

[@kaiwilson5628]

at 28:00 you could have cast kozilek’s command t2 x=0 and cantripped. not ideal but draws land faster

[@alexkarst9166]

Am I not mistaken that if you cast and then counter your own Emrakul you can take all your opponent's creatures without the risk of the LTB ability? If so that would make a somewhat interesting deck tech

[@UnuUO]

13:30 can’t we go Karn > grab One Ring from sideboard > play One Ring > pass > next turn madness emrakul to hand size?

[@SilverAlex92]

Hilarious video. Love me some turn 1 chalice action

[@jaxsonbateman]

Is Devourer of Destiny actually good? I feel like in every game I see a streamer play with it, it's basically "if this Devourer hits Ugin's Labyrinth it's on ", and then it never does (which makes sense, it's like a 4 in 53 shot). Forcing any other land to the top of your library otherwise doesn't seem worth a card that almost never gets hard cast.

[@ZeroCr0w]

Is the Urza’s Cave worth a slot or two to try and tutor Labyrinth?

[@urzatron84]

Am I wrong or did he punt game one by using the ring? He had 8 mama. Cast key, tap Madness emrakul, pass and take 2 from the ring next turn and swing?

[@capstorm4767]

Why no forsaken monument in karn board? Stablize against agro, alternate way to cast emricrul, and makes kozelic command a real finisher?

[@islandwithbirdsMTG]

any thought to playing once upon a time in this deck? seems like it highly improves the chances of getting the opening sol land start

[@gaminggeckos4388]

Why run Zhalfiran Void when Crystal Grotto and Conduit Pylons are strictly better?

[@tylerblalack6684]

I cast an emrakul. Opponent only had a mana elf on board. So I stole it. He managed to get a 12/12 with reach and 8/8 green creatures on the board the next turn, with like 6 mana. I lost.

[@NeoSamurai13]

It looks like there's a bug with Arena at 47:15. All of the creatures you stole suddenly gained summoning sickness.

[@jamesesdad]

Not a bug, creatures that come under your control have summoning sickness until the begining of your next upkeep. It's why every threaten effect in the game gives the creatures haste.

[@andrewwhite2123]

Gotta watch the Emrakul video the night I played her off of Show and Tell

[@Bigd2k]

The last match, “Italian Stallion” who were you facing Rocky?

[@RedPandaStan]

sol lands r so necessary for eldrazi to work, only having 1 of them on areana vs 2 in modern is rough

[@rynegadegamer6414]

I beat a resolved emrakul with mono blue affinity. I had a huge board that emrakul stole. I untapped with synthasizer, played a thought monitor and enforcer, then passed to my opponent. My opponent played a devourer of destiny, which tapped them out. They went to combat and i responded by channeling moonsnare prototype to bounce emrakul. They passed, i immediately attacked and won

[@laurentrobitaille2204]

Why isn’t the deck playing Crystal Groto over Zahlfirin Void? It’s basically the same but you can pay one generic and tap it to make one mana of any color.

[@zeo4481]

Teaching Seth about playing Lands WHEN!??

[@jacobbrj]

Are there other cards with madness that would work well with the emrakul plan?

[@goomshill]

Smugglers copter instead of key to the city might work- less controllable, can be fizzled by removal, but so much better on its own and on board. Of course underworld cookbook would be better if it was on arena.

[@zargoff8850]

As an arena zoomer, I love being taught about these decks! I'm just glad that I don't have to play against them

[@AmaraTheBarbarian]

MDFCs are a massive boost to my legacy deck, at least the ones you can bolt in untapped. I mean sure my deck is an unreliable jank combo, but it's an unreliable jank combo that needs red cards in hand to fuel and will actively fail if I have more than 1 land in my opening hand. Sundering Eruption and Pinnacle Monk mean I don't miss out on fury of the horde nearly as often with the only 6 cards in my maindeck that aren't red are the playset of Lotus Petals and 2 Inkmoth Nexus. Pinnacle Monk has a high enough CMC that it gives me another valid card to exile for Blazing Shoal for a turn 1 win with Cacophony Scamp or Pact of the Titan. If anyone is curious: Maindeck: 4x Assault Strobe 4x Blazing Shoal 4x Brute Force 4x Cacophony Scamp 4x Consuming Fervor 4x Fury of the Horde 2x Inkmoth Nexus 4x Lotus Petal 4x Pact of the Titan 4x Pinnacle Monk 4x Reckless Charge 4x Rubblebelt Maaka 2x Samut's Sprint 4x Simian Spirit Guide 4x Sundering Eruption 4x Volcanic Salvo Sideboard: 4x Apostle's Blessing 2x Built to Smash 2x Inkmoth Nexus 4x Pact of Negation 3x Thud

[@Chavorrucosbarandgrill]

Seth, when are you doing a deck with big Emrakul?

[@ToadboyMTG]

13:20 misplay? Played the land. Could have just madnessed emrakul with spawn token mana and took all the creatures won next turn at 1 health?

[@motokuchoma]

36:03 I don't understand why the opponent scoops here, weren't they completely winning in this position?

[@lotr971]

You can cast kozileks command for x = 0 to draw a card

[@mark6302]

holy crap Meat Puppets shirt I havent heard about them in forever

[@Uzotrups]

39:51 didn't you had 6 mana here? Am I crazy?

[@icabob616]

That's what I'm saying! Scooped when they could have played emrakul stole their whole board and hit for 16?

[@bugz6086]

One was unfortunately a drowned jungle which only produces U and G, no colorless.

[@danielrazo450]

Maybe arena is missing warping wail to make this deck playable in timeless. Also, without Eldrazi Temple is very difficult to make 4 mana on turn 2 consistently, and Thought Knot seems really really slow because of that.

[@shot040]

you could do "teaching zoomers about Reflector Mage". I know the card doens't get played a lot and isn't great, but blink is an entertaining deck.

[@westonwillard2698]

When do we get the Seth and CGB crossover video?

[@Beardhomestead]

Seems like Phyrexian Scrapyard would be better than Geist, one mana less less to discard.

[@SnakePoker]

at 39:40 you couldve on their turn activated key and gotten a redraw for a land

[@swampybwoy]

Good alternative name for the deck: spaghetti surprise

[@MrThatguy4444]

Can someone explain how in game one when Seth had chalice on 1 it was able to counter Claim//Fame? I thought the aftermath cards are a combined MV of both halves making it MV 3 not 1.

[@manuelito1233]

Combined when not on the stack, MV equal to casting cost when on stack.

[@walkermcmullin8665]

Aftermath is technically a separate spell, so its MV is the cost of the spell currently being cast! This is so spells can’t be countered with spells that require a different MV, like Disdainful Stroke!

[@randomcrap319]

Short answer, Combined MV for split cards is anywhere but the stack. When it’s on the stack, game only sees one part

[@REON-pw5ze]

Sure! There you go: 505.2. In every zone except the stack, split cards have two sets of characteristics and two converted mana costs. As long as a split card is a spell on the stack, only the characteristics of the half being played exist. The other half's characteristics are treated as though they didn't exist.

[@jaredwonnacott9732]

Here's a better explanation: The mana value of a split CARD is the combined value of both halves. Chalice doesn't counter CARDS, though, it counters SPELLS. The mana value of the SPELL it countered was 1.

[@The7sellers]

*lays down planes* Seth:......OPpPonNET

[@DarkWr4ith]

They were probably just casting spells into the chalice to speed along their dailies. They probably had like cast 30 Green/Black spells.

[@adambeard8241]

What happened with the evoked subtelty?

[@rubiusstudios5709]

I think there's a problem with a card when you topdeck it and it pivots your entire turn into playing that card and passing. Regardless of any other factors, including deck archetype. I'm looking at you, The One Ring.

[@fremenGaming]

I have deck in Historic that can play any creature (including Eldrazi) of whatever color turn 4 from hand, also can play it from grave turn 5 and if im lucky even earlier from lib. THis seems slo :D

[@vancekuto]

Oh my gods, Seth pronounced amulet correctly.

[@FlyingDominion]

39:50 Did you not have 6 mana? What am I missing here? Edit: oh, I see. The drowned temple is only colored mana.

[@danielgraves13]

add Arid Archway to bounce ugin's when you cant buff it

[@Altorin]

Howling Mine does some funny things with One Ring and Emrakul. Getting the discard phase emrakul madness is the way to go :P its a funnier deck

[@jocas94]

Teaching arena zoomers is the only serie on Arena I watch

[@astrowerm]

My favorite series on all of yt fr!

[@NeoSamurai13]

Is there a modern Emrakul deck?

[@AMassiveHeadache]

whenever i see a player do "weird" things on Arena, i just assume they're doing dailies. attacking into One Ring protection still counts as attacking, and casting into chalice still counts as casting

[@leemay7780]

I guess Urza's Cave is too slow at 3 mana to fetch? Seems like a nice and janky way to get 4 more chances at Ugin's Lab

[@ther3aper561]

31:00 that's not teaching them about evoke, Subtlety says creature spell. They tried to Subtlety your Chalice

[@thatoneperson3113]

all I heard this video was "I need to draw a land"

[@Prophestus]

Could use Phyrexian Scrapyard to pitch Em

[@vctrsigma]

Anyone know the video seth references at 55:30 ?

[@empty781]

I think it is the video called "HS player evaluates the worst MTG metas of all time" on CovertGoBlue's channel

[@smokingbeard7796]

dang more cards i want for my eldrazi commander deck :(

[@psychotropican666]

Your entire Madness package was just THREE Keys to the City??

[@glazed6178]

oh shit just destroyed this deck with a turn 3 blood moon. Didn't know it was yours :D

[@Mupwumg]

Is eldrazi temple not in timeless?

[@Chimyjoe1]

doesn't rachet bomb hit the flip walker even on 0 counters?

[@MitzyPuppy]

MDFC cards have the mana value of their front side even when flipped.

[@poiri]

@@MitzyPuppyminor correction, MDFC means “modal dual faced card” in which case each side will have a defined mana value. Ajani is a TDFC so its mana value on both sides is equal to the front face.