I Smack Fools Down With Their Own Creatures | Against the Odds

[@jms4979]

You need to incorporate a food subtheme somehow so that it can be Steal, Smack, Sac, and Snack. You know, for flavor.

[@seanclark4071]

I understand that food has a lot of flavor

[@attacksatdawn14]

Eriette's apple is technically a food. The joke works.

[@jms4979]

​@@attacksatdawn14I had only watched the deck tech when I made that comment, but now seeing how many games Seth finishes with an Apple drain for lethal, it _totally_ works 😮

[@derrickthewhite1]

@@jms4979Yeah, its pretty crazy how often that happens

[@fluffy7351]

Missed opportunity to call it Jack, Smack, and Sac?

[@jewpcabra666]

i love how much joy seth gets from trolling opponents. Its like crim - but way more nefarious because he is so happy about it

[@greenapple9477]

Don't forget Phil. I'll never forget the "Stealing lands" video.

[@johnmeier1]

Opponent with Etali didn't realize they could target their own creatures to get haste with the Threaten effect

[@ODIRGO]

A lot of people forget about the haste mode in their own creatures.

[@cedricberube]

Claim the first born on your freshly escaped Kroxa is something else

[@MisterAnimeFreak]

Claim the first chicken nugget.

[@MistaHoward]

Etali players aren't exactly the brightest ones

[@cronotrigger6206]

like this comment you made lol@@MistaHoward

[@chrisbonjour111]

This deck should be called "Joy Ride" because its like when kids steal a car, drive crazy, and then crash it before leaving it behind. You're taking their big bombs for a joy ride and smashing it.

[@wormspeaker]

So it should be called "Kia Boys"?

[@egoalter1276]

I would honestly call it red black control. Needs some land destruction and artefact/wnchantment removal to work imho, but it seems like a reasonable mid power archetype.

[@ScornfulEg0tist]

Who would have guessed that a threaten that's also a bump in the night would come in clutch so often

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, I didn't expect that drain mode to matter, but it won us multiple games.

[@eon2330]

@@MTGGoldfish You threw at least 1 game it could have won for you.

[@Patarach]

Your content has been really good lately Seth, thanks.

[@MTGGoldfish]

I'm glad you have been enjoying it!

[@polymphus]

I love the narrative of the Market Gnome getting invited to two weddings and getting so pumped up by it that he can put fear into a planeswalker. This l'il robot just scooting around handing people hors d'oeuvres and each time he convinces a vampire to eat a deviled egg the light in his eyes gets just a tiny bit brighter.

[@koolaiddude7685894]

The apple was a total sleeper in limited too imo. So many funny games won by stealing or hitting em with that extra 3 damage

[@MTGGoldfish]

It's a lot better than I expected.

[@Hanmacx]

Use the Apple with Ayara the Furnace Queen

[@marsrocks247]

Another in a long line of thanks to Seth for putting these decklists together including very relevant sideboards. Everyone IS playing the best creatures, immediately on the most aggressive curve they can - in a format that basically does have mana leak too! I've been wanting to brew this, but didn't want to find all the cards especially the sideboard slots. Bless you Seth!

[@raynmanshorts9275]

My standard rule of thumb is that I should have at least one basic land for each color of mana I'm playing. That way, Field of Ruin and similar effects cannot colorscrew me. Ideally, I'd have one basic land for the maximum number of pips of any particular color among my cards. For example, if the hardest thing I have to cast is 2WW, then I'd have at least two plains in the deck. This is a bit harder with 3+ colors, though, so it's generally only a rule for 2 color decks.

[@showingthelinks8441]

Minor punt not using the blood token before sacrificing sheoldred but I love this type of deck

[@hey.its.BrandishJaye]

Dammit Seth. Three games into playing Arena today and I immediately spot that someone is playing a clone of this deck. Locked out my game by knowing what they were up to, but not being able to play my creatures that buff my creature lands killed me.

[@jms4979]

Omg I hate when Seth plays a really obnoxious deck and I watch the video and I'm like lol get rekt scrubs, and then I fire up Arena and I wind up facing the deck and I'm all "I never expected leopards to eat _my_ face!"

[@DerekScottBland]

I've seen plenty of this type of deck for about a week now. Might not have been a clone of his.

[@boobox2000]

You should also run Urabrask's Forge as an alternate sac so you can get your card draw with the journal or another counter with Bart.

[@snakeman830]

Urabrask's Forge doesn't let you sac anything.

[@MistaZiggy]

@@snakeman830they mean as a source of things to sac. Also creates an escalating threat that control decks have to deal with

[@charles-antoinelapierre6957]

It also seems like a better finisher than wedding annoncement

[@Programme021]

It's sweet, it doesn't draw though. Definitely more on theme, I like it !

[@lachlank.8270]

​@@snakeman830it forces you to Sacrifice the token every endstep so you do get a sac trigger

[@funkydiscogod]

Feels like this should have been green with Skullspore Nexus to kinda keep their creatures after sacing them.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Ohh, that's a super spicy idea! I might have to add one.

[@alexandrejesus8709]

" they are feeling threathened!" 😂😂

[@SpecialKail]

Threaten + sacrifice is one of my favorite lines.

[@Ariesgodtron]

Actually love that you repeat the gameplan every single game in these videos. Hilarious!

[@love2scoobysnack]

My guess is that it allows for more flexibility when editing, or so he can tell which video the clip was for. As a real-life example, people that spend a lot of time answering voice mail usually start every voice mail they leave with their name and phone number so then people don't have to listen to the whole message again to get to the end to get the number

[@rd30000]

This was one of my favorite decks ever. I used to play a steal and sac deck in standard with butcher of the horde and other sac outlets. So much fun.

[@Unbaked89]

Seth has been driving the jank train recently, and I've bought a ticket and am all aboard. Loving the content, good job Seth.

[@Venomtankmod]

I ran a variant of this. Steal and fling. Hilarious when it works.

[@Venomtankmod]

Update-I ran into a turn two boggles aura deck. I lost handily cause hexproof

[@ianmiller8399]

Why didn’t you put the wicked role on the dragon? 8:48

[@frankdev]

one of my favorite standard decks was a derpy thing i made years ago where i would combine act of treason, bazaar trader, viscera seer, abyssal persecutor, etc. it was a lot of fun permanently stealing primeval titans.

[@69TheKhood69]

This deck I've made in Rakdos before but Mardu is a lovely flair on it. The big issue is that they never think with Etali that you can target your own creature and give them haste like, why not do that the games would've turned out different I feel if 7 damage hasters were used lol

[@Midnightv]

I should have known. I just thought I got somebody playing these shenanigans. It was like that's an odd choice.... Seth 😂

[@Matyanson]

When I started to play Magic, the first thing I did was buid a deck with Catch // Release and sac outlet to Catch lands, creatures, planeswalkers ... Anything and sac them to draw. You could even use the land you stole as it untapped. My deck building skills were not great at the time tho :/

[@ther3aper561]

I love seeing Seth make decks that actually work, but I also know I'm going to regret reveling in it when I'm getting stomped by the same decks later

[@TransformersBoss]

22:36 the duality of Seth: “Teaching Arena Zoomers that they need to run more Basics!” “Maybe 2 Basics is fine. Two’s fine, right?”

[@rossbalch]

Journal is such a huge upgrade for this archetype. The card draw is insane.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, it's the reason the deck works really. Without the card draw we'd just run out of Threatens and eventually die.

[@TheDylls]

34:12 Etali, pass the turn, lose the game... You're a monster, Seth 😨😨

[@zorglub105]

Ooooh, that's your deck ! I played against this deck and got pretty wrecked. Glad to have a list here !

[@MisterAnimeFreak]

I love the apple in commander. Had some wild turns with Megatron when it hits the field. Borrow the fattest thing on the field, sac the apple to megatron, kill a random thing, transform Megatron and hit for big damage that gets turned into mana.

[@gustavoandrade2643]

You’re having so much fun with this one… that’s awesome 😂

[@daflubbadubba1416]

@29:40 Could be wrong but there's a possibility that opponent uses drain mode on apple to make sure you can't activate pain lands and you can theoretically with 2 draws kill with double steal or tempting apple steal.

[@nemooceansoul1137]

24:51 "i wouldnt of expected a drain for 3 to be so effective" -glances at my ill-gotten inheritance that has guranteed lethal 75% of the games i run it in- uh yeah no drains are actually great.

[@Eddyb1e]

When I saw the title I immediately went to and then visualized Seth rapping ala Beasty Boys, rhyming and stealing.

[@delirium_4178]

You finally did this! I’ve been playing with my act of treason-like deck since wilds of eldraine came out!

[@qlethsbagofdecks4959]

This deck is hilarious! I absolutely love using my opponents stuff against them. Now I want to try this deck. It looks super cheap to build as well.

[@SilverAlex92]

I love that the first opponent was trying to jund em up in standard, old school style with lily of the veil + bloodbraid elf (aka appraiser), but it was not enough against the steals and smacks xD Poor jund getting janked out even in standard.

[@ap0c_music]

This got me lol'ing - break that power creep!

[@matt21643]

This deck is definitely a meta call. Having so much redundancy of all the desired effects and just the midrange creature meta makes it work out

[@ODIRGO]

I play the same strategy, but with the Ayara that transforms, and Kethek. The only problem is that Arena "casually" almost always puts me against opponents that use a lot of hexproof like effects or token decks (I play Historic Brawl), and I'm barely aver able to steal any significant creature.

[@dboeify]

I remember playing a jack and sac deck back in amonkhet standard, and it was a blast. Using Secret Salvage to refuel my hand with threaten effects was hilarious and demoralizing to the opponent

[@Atmapalazzo]

Not going to lie, if this deck were to become meta, I think I'd be out of standard until rotation. I'm tired of "removal.dec" being a dominant force

[@TheVideoman22]

I like to call this archtype "beat you with your own stick"

[@gaminggeckos4388]

8:48 Worth noting that you can put the Wicked Role token ON the stolen creature if you're just going to be sacking it. Extra 2 damage to your opponent.

[@Uber_Jester]

This deck pops up from time to time. When it's good, it's good. Buddy of mine showed up with a B/R version back in the day of States. They are more frustrating than control decks sometimes. At least they'll end the game as fast as you let them.

[@dodotornado]

Okay, that is probably the coolest deck, that I ever watched you playing 😂

[@MTGGoldfish]

Glad you liked it.

[@JRJigsawyer]

I've been playing a similar deck the last few weeks but it's UR, realized "if everyone is playing huge bombs, why not steal them?" Then saw there are no less than 12 threaten effects you can put in a deck! I use the red one mana fling adventure. It's so much fun 😅 Yours definitely has a better plan for what happens when they don't play creatures though. Control is nearly unwinnable.

[@megapixzel]

In that one match seth started with 4 lands in hand, and out of 13 cards drawn 8 were lands. 2 lands were also fetched out from demolition field. So he managed to see 16/23 lands in that match Im also going to be unfair and call it an early scoop, i think it would be worth to see if opponent misplayed with cards they didnt put in their deck and see no play. And if they do see it your dead in 30 sec not a big time investment

[@syrelian]

Something you seemed to miss with Twisted Fealty is that the Wicked Role can go on Target Creature not Your Creature so you should be buffing what you steal when its low creature count boardstates

[@michaelsilk275]

I’m running this in red/black. I use Urabrask’s Forge instead of wedding announcement. The other sac outlet is Transmogrant Altar. The other one that can be run is Callous Sell-Sword.

[@CS-uj5mq]

I have been playing the Naya Tokens deck with Pia you did when WOE dropped. I was looking for a new deck to play in standard. Good gracious this one is so fun

[@robgmb6311]

These are my favorite kind of decks to play. Reminds me of a similar one you made years ago for against the odds that Ayli and jeering instigator

[@hell_march6652]

I run a similar themed deck on historic from time to time. Except I of have ways to blink a creature to gain full control. Also have mirror hall mimic's in there as well.

[@jekanyika]

I used to play a similar deck during the first Ixilan Standard, it was fun.

[@ecoKady]

Been on a wild run lately with these decks and your videos. Having a ton of fun as a viewer. Modern has been unwatchable for a while so I'm looking forward to whether modern has opened up with Fury gone or if it's just all unwatchable Bowmasters and The One Ring.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Don't worry! Modern is back on the menu! First post-banning video going up tomorrow! Also thanks.

[@mikerichey9206]

Against the odds idea, play every Surgical Extraction style card, rip all of the win cons away from them

[@surfinggarchomp2820]

I think he did that in modern a couple of years ago with the kaya from guilds of ravnica (I think he called it kaya's extraction)

[@Midnightv]

09:33 It is obnoxious but it's obnoxious because it's just another. I hate agro situation when really we need I hate control

[@karanojin]

please use the blood token before saccing sheoldred /whine

[@dustyfox6511]

Etali player not realizing you can haste Etali with the steal effects is concerning.

[@nicoletamez518]

Gruul and rakdos might share a color, but both types of players are an entirely different species from one another.

[@marsrocks247]

Seth will play decks like this while giggling and smack talking the opponents he beat in construction before the game even began, but will cry like he just found out Santa was a lie if Crim casts a single counter spell and immediately starts to politic when he sees islands, cementing him as the true Magic gamers Magic gamer and the chosen one that represents us all.

[@nice2835]

Fun fact: saheeli (standard saheeli) can clone eriette's charmed apple every turn (sometimes more if you can untap her somehow)

[@MetalHev]

I had the same idea after dealing with overpowered nazguls for too long, so I just Gandalf's Sanction their creatures to deal 15 to their face.

[@kaybe87]

The greed of keeping a 1 lander lol

[@aidanhood3666]

Snack, snatch, smack and sac

[@TheIVKing]

I built something similar about a week ago! I love playing unexpected theft in standard lol

[@thygrrr]

Shuffler is fine!!! And people wonder why in the 90s we played 16 lands.

[@wudgethenumbers]

I’ve played a lot of steal and sac in standard in the past. Love a main deck threaten.

[@mtadder]

I'd love to see you play with a deck that involves Araya, and Avatar of Mortality. It's a one hit kill if opponent is below 15 hp. Been playing with it myself and it does indeed work :)

[@Chaoslorden]

This is inspirational! Is there any way in standard to stop etb effects? Like stopping the Etali and such effects so it's even more effective to win against those decks.

[@DOORMANLIKE]

Built this deck in commander with Hidetsugu, Devouring Chaos

[@Optimator7]

I could watch this deck all day

[@davidstokes6406]

Seth, you're one of the nicest guys ever, but there are times you just turn pure evil.

[@Martin-qb2mw]

Banging deck Seth! Well done.

[@chapeldweller]

You guys need to get a shirt that says "Did we break it?". Don't think there's a video of Seth not saying thay at least once. Lol

[@zamba136]

i had a deck like this that was Izzet with Thassa, so i could bounce the things i steal and keep them forever. i called it "mister steal your grill." it was funny

[@chrysmurphy3974]

Maybe the new 1BB sorcery that gives -2/2 for turn as sideboard against the go wide white style decks?

[@RasmusVJS]

Plays like these are why I'm not so secretly hoping they'll print more powerful Threaten effects, and am glad that their designed-for-limited Threaten effects aren't the bland just Threaten nowadays.

[@TheyCallMeDio]

I've been doing this archetype in Explorer for years lol

[@MTGGoldfish]

Nice!

[@TheyCallMeDio]

​@@MTGGoldfishI would probably add Ob Nixilis for this deck so you can use the opponent's creatures for the Casualty cost but this deck is pretty fun already

[@gabrote42]

Flipping journal more might have been better in that flood scenario

[@submarinesailor5140]

You mentioned how obnoxious this deck must be. Well my commander pod can attest to that. I built "The Beast, Deathless Prince" and it is exactly this.

[@lordofseattle3927]

The irony of "the opponents playing our deck, it's not fair"

[@Howaboua]

I still cannot believe we didn't get all the triomes in such a massive format.

[@kal54321]

you consistently underestimate Bartolome.

[@nickmysliwiec1435]

The past few days, I've been playing a variant of Sunshot God and a pirate treasure deck. Both have been super flooded in 75% of my games. Seriously thinking something's wrong with Arena at this point.

[@theEevee098]

Second opponent could have won multiple times by targeting their own Etali to give haste with your spells

[@RelaxWithRussellASMR]

This deck is actually insane.

[@egoalter1276]

Rakdos control sure is a theme that exists.

[@MattTorres]

Wonder if that fling adventure is worth playing too

[@KnicKnac]

My favorite EDH deck was all about threaten effects and I sacrificed creatures to a red creature that had pay 1 sac a permanent do 1 damage

[@nilsbossiusklintenberg3623]

Love this! 😂

[@MTGGoldfish]

It's super funny and worked way better than I thought!

[@MitchPiotrowski]

I feel like that furnace quest that makes them sacrifice their own token it makes would definitely be a problem.

[@brianbishop5322]

Needs to use "You Find Some Prisoners". Yoink stuff straight outta their deck.

[@Temurmemer]

I’ve run into this deck like 10 times in the last 2 days and I play 0 creatures thanks for the freelo I was wondering why I was seeing it so much

[@rickroller420]

Not playing fling in a steal and sac deck?

[@stonerainproductions]

Seth, is that a new camera? Looks nice and clear.

[@MTGGoldfish]

The camera is the same but I've been working on improving the lightning, glad it's noticeable!

[@NightmareFuelsYou]

Nice market gnomes aggro deck!

[@maazsarkar8673]

Hey Seth did you ever try teching thud or fling?

[@TheMegaMagikarp]

Wasn't this the idea of a deck back in original Eldraine with Claim the Firstborn and The Akroan War? I'm surprised it took this long to come around again.

[@Muertoloco13]

Wow that poor mythic opp thinking the grind that day would be easy