Everyone Plays Mill! | Commander Clash S13 E05

[@BAM_Deadstroke]

It took everyone running mill for the guys to finally run some graveyard hate 😂 GGs everyone

[@noahfriedrich4686]

I was half expecting Tomer to play a Maskwood Nexus to make his zombie tokens into Advisors

[@goreobsessed2308]

Or arcane adaptation

[@TheREALTheRealAdam]

Or Conspiracy.

[@chaoticdrewtral]

Or Xenograft?

[@everydaykronicler9974]

Absolutely!! That's what I thought the tech was; any/all of these

[@Belena711]

Not being able to see people's cards in library was kinda rough this week. lol

[@dotdashington1210]

One of my favorite episodes in recent memory!!! I think strategy restrictions that lean into the meta have a lot of potential!! It was so fun watching you each pull neat spins on it!! I'd love to see more dueling strategies like this, especially ones that dictate the way you play!

[@poipoi9816]

51:30 "why don't I have the crown" the crown moves on combat damage, and the replacement effect for zombies prevented combat damage

[@Axelf83]

This is probably my favorite Commander Clash ever, hilarious with the meta-tech for anti-mill. Was great to watch.

[@sonnilowe8858]

I for sure thought I would see Conspiracy and Arcane Adaptation in that Sidisi list to make the zombies into advisors. I will be interested to see what Tomer is doing instead. Maybe they just felt unnecessary for the combos?

[@NeoDeathrose13]

This has got to be my favorite week besides the weeks where you guys build decks around movies or shows, Tom's horror movie deck from way back was my absolute favorite. But this mill week makes a really cool mini game and makes the deck building unique.

[@sethc.1366]

14:40 "How do you build a mill deck without blue?" Lots of artifacts and ramp. I have a Boros mill deck called "Osgir the Burninator," focused on doubling up those mill artifacts and howling mine effects, as well as wheels and the only mill spell in those colors, Book Burning.

[@rileydehmer7357]

That sounds like a cool deck! Do you have a link?

[@rsphii]

Sounds interesting, love to see this list!

[@taishoukinjiro]

Beamtown Bullies, give away Leveller. And you can run Gaea's Blessing

[@hanschristopherson8056]

This feels like crim week part 2

[@sewnshut23]

This was an absolute banger of a week that makes me want to force my playgroup to all play mill at the same time.

[@thomassawyer3685]

Literally EVERYONE running Kozilek to prevent milling out in a game where that's the only way to win - gonna be a long one....

[@Aronia55]

Nope

[@skykur]

Actually one of their shorter games

[@discocombo]

I loved this! Would like to see more of clashes with restrictions like this

[@LVL99Totodile]

Awesome decks, awesome video. Phils deck just needed my favorite pet card, words of waste. It's perfect for this theme!

[@BrewersKitchen]

Oh god, you're right! That's some insane tech 🤩

[@charmandenator5686]

The ending here was perfect

[@jackturner6087]

Was not expecting this episode to be this fun! It sounds simple but then you get the metagaming to the metagaming levels and all the sweet tech, really enjoyable content, good job.

[@koenvandepoll927]

Really cool game! So unfortunate Tomer that you whiffed, that was such a sweet combo!

[@megablin6412]

The meta game aspect of this week was great. I hope there are more weeks with meta gaming encouraged

[@BadCookies1234]

After ALLLLL that, the game ends like that? That is awesome. I never expected to see that ending.

[@AgonalRhythm]

I ran a Naya mill deck built around mindcrank, altar of the brood and altar of dementia (xenagos pumped creatures with big power) and it was disgustingly effective. So you don't *have* to play Ux to mill :D

[@TheDylls]

who was the commander? got a link?

[@6969pumpking]

I really enjoy this kinda commander clashes, weird but interesting theme, special rules (kinda like to make two headed giant work that one time) keep it up this is the stuff that separates commander clash from all other edh shows, it's always fun!

[@Darchias]

My Osgir deck has a mill line! Duplicate Panharmonicon and Altar of the Brood, it's pretty fun. He puts a bunch of permanents on the battlefield naturally too.

[@matheusmoreira1586]

That was awesome! Please do more themes like these, the techs for the meta were great to see!

[@josephhawkins7974]

I enjoyed the zany theme, and I especially enjoyed that you guys were encouraging each other to tech into things to counter each other's known plans for the theme.

[@RyanEglitis]

Nice game - I was worried Seth didn't see his own combo twice, but he had it both times. A little surprised Tomer didn't tech into Underrealm Lich, as it gives protection from milling, along with Sidisi synergies. Phil, gotta go deeper on that Necro at the start, though you were super unlucky with lands. Probably want to draw up to like 12-14 the first few times. The awkward playstyle of not immediately getting the cards you set aside is the only thing keeping Necro off the ban list (see Yawgmoth's Bargain).

[@tomneilson9501]

yeah having your opponents not being allowed to kill you with damage makes drawing a load off of necro very free

[@lucasdiamond5058]

absolutely the most fun mill has ever looked!

[@JoshRudis]

On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" everyone loses their minds! Will Phil's secrets drive everyone to oblivion or will Seth just confuse everyone into losing (by mis-clicking)? Tune-in to find out!

[@coreysierchio4650]

Next week, Tomer will give a very enthusiastic "Clash On!" *Thanks for the Content* !

[@Dataloss484]

OH MY GOD! Someone is playing Szadek??? I am HYPED beyond belief. He's been a pet deck for me for ages, my deck is probably WAY weaker though. I DO love that he commits fully to not killing the opponent with damage. So flavorful.

[@AgonalRhythm]

Also Tomer didn't get the monarch because the alchemist turns the zombie's damage into mill and someone only gets the monarch if they deal combat damage.

[@PikachaoArt]

That ending was incredible!

[@canadianhighlanderbremen7717]

This episode was so cool. I wish you played another game with these decks

[@DimbyHero]

This was DELIGHTFUL!

[@ericgodat3516]

Phil out here playing Mill-ow fort 😂

[@Gravbomb353]

That game was super fun to watch! I definitely like the wacky theme weeks. I think a week where you need to win with indirect (noncombat) damage could be a lot of fun. Definitely a few angles people could take.

[@lucasfriedrich6176]

Best episode I've seen so far, loved the janky theme

[@canadianhighlanderbremen7717]

I wish Phil just used the Necro to go down to six life and be save from Xanders attacks. :D

[@autoenthused]

Clash on! And Seth’s vinyl copy of Neutral Milk Hotel 👌🏽

[@metaphics]

I like the Zellix and Haunted One for a mill strat that powers up as it goes along. It’s pretty similar to rogues but less combat oriented.

[@javiertalay]

i love this kind of restriction because of how meta everybody gets. You could do a "legions" week with no no-creatures allowed, or the opposite

[@bearsdotzone]

I think there’s some interesting return from exile tech that could work here. Kaya emblem, Karn, Mirror of Fate keeps restocking your library to 7 from exile.

[@joshuabillie5083]

YES! sidisi representation also i saw this deck on mtggoldfish last week and i tried it out on cockatrice! it was cool

[@kingfuzzy2]

Oh this is hilarious hope everyone remembered to bring too much recursion and shuffle grave into library effects : D

[@Suppaichu]

27:00 the absolute madlad metagaming play phill could make here was to necropotence himself to 5 so that crim couldn't attack him xD he's about to get milled for half his library already, might as well choose 7 cards out of that half. It's even less cards going away through necropotence

[@martinprybylski2392]

Glad to see someone else see this line. 6 would have dome the same though.

[@Fromaginator]

This is a sick theme week I'd like to see more everyone builds variations on the same archetype weeks!!

[@davidhansen5067]

This was a fun theme.

[@pwoo581]

Honestly such a fun theme week. Loved the meta game choices

[@stickofbutter4144]

Lmao, at around 30:00, Seth could of killed anyone he wanted to with his helm of obedience

[@person3176]

this was a really fun episode to watch! another theme I'd like to see would be only creatures. You can cheat on that theme a bit by playing Adventures, Channel, Scavenge, Refigure, Gods that are Enchantments, Flash creatures, etc! Would be very interesting.

[@BrewersKitchen]

Sounds pretty fun actually

[@inamecomeunico8935]

14:40 I did build a mono red mill deck, it isn't really powerful but it kind of works, I built it just to annoy one of my friends who hates mill, doesn't play mono color and is least favourite color is red! He happens to have a Sen Triplet, let's just say that I menaged to dodge Sen Triplet's ability 😈 That said for this week I feel an interesting meta decision would have been to build something like Karador to embrace the mill and profit of it, to then win through milling with helm of obbidience or some other mill artifacts like thrumming stone and mesmeric orb, using various effect to shuffle back stuff from your graveyard and with something that replaces draws like underrealm lich to prevent you from losing

[@kingfuzzy2]

Could I see the decklist? One of my pet archetypes are mill and self-mill in non-traditional colours.

[@JCFoxpox]

Kind of shocked I didn’t see Phenax / big butts deck. Definitely my favorite mill commander and has a lot of sneaky shenanigans with him.

[@holdyourfire74]

As far as non-blue mill decks, Syr Konrad makes a pretty good mill deck. It usually does too much damage to mill anyone out for a win though. My meta went through a heavy lifegain period though and I was able to use him to deck a few people.

[@salaciousSaucegames]

That was a pretty epic way to end the milling wars!

[@benreeve6094]

this was such an interesting week for deckbuilding. The mill meta is kind of sweet

[@RobiousIllyrian]

wacky themes like this are awesome to consider! makes the resulting game super unique!

[@seanrackley4582]

Would love to see this theme again or more matches with these deck. Love thus game!

[@gsainsbury86]

Obstinate Familiar seems like an absolute necessity in Red! Hilarious premise and great game.

[@rockerknight25]

14:37 "Every deck's gotta be blue... I don't even know if you can build a mill deck that doesn't have blue." I play a Meren of Clan Nel Toth deck and one of the ways I can win is by using creatures that have power and toughness equal to number of creature cards in my graveyard and then saccing them to altar of dementia to mill opponents for 30+ cards. I'm sure there are other cards in black that have "sac creature, mill opponent for its power" effects. Blue is obviously the color for milling though. Could be a fun challenge to build a non-blue mill deck. Now my noggin's joggin.

[@monogreen]

I love the heavy metagaming aspect of this theme. I'd love to see other themes that also result in heavy metagaming.

[@princepersona]

I have a mono white mill deck and it is very entertaining to see how much it confuses the other players at the table.

[@MrJet225]

Definitely want to see a version of this with the first loser winning the game! You'd probably have to ban stuff like the pacts and wall of blood, but I think it would be a ton of fun to watch.

[@sirmoth3955]

If you ever revisit the Artist week theme, I highly recommend Thomas M. Baxa. He did Sliver Hivelord in a secret lair, and he has a lot of really cool artwork from Tempest to today. You could probably even get away with doing a Zombie tribal or a mono-black 5 color deck or something goofy like that. Definitely one of my favorite artists.

[@alexmohrmann8825]

OMG, the perfect meta for Kess, Dissident Mage...

[@rosavanopheusden5211]

since it was illegal to kill players with combat damage, I think Phil should immediately have necro'd down to like 5 life. perfect way to make it impossible to be attacked.

[@martinprybylski2392]

For sure. He probably wins that line

[@loganvain3]

That was a really fun game, great content

[@roboticbychoice1081]

This was an awesome episode. Would love to see another white boarder only episode in the future.

[@blueeyedenvy9715]

I’m 7 mins in and seeing leyline and oblivion sower in phils hand makes me excited

[@BrewersKitchen]

Yeah I was going hard on the meta. Too bad I mayorly messed up my Necropotence 😅

[@blueeyedenvy9715]

@@BrewersKitchen thanks for the reply Phil! Loved the tech! Great theme this week, love your content Phil you’re a great addition to the crew keep it up buddy

[@yodabuddy2112]

I learned with rat colony that you want a minimum of 30 if you want to not whif with the stone a lot. It doesn't leave much room to do shenanigans, but that's the drawback to running that

[@TazChannel101]

Love the theme!

[@mobmango4]

I know it's not mill per se but Oona Queen of the Fae is a great alt wincon when you know you're facing titans and other shuffle back effects

[@BGM308]

I would have loved to see a second game, these decks and meta choices were inspired

[@zacharymccutcheon8607]

That end was amazing.

[@martinprybylski2392]

I think Phil should have drawn down to 6 life with necropotence while Xander is on the field, so Xander cant attack without killing Phil. Think he would have been in a good place that way

[@DiscardatRandom]

he would have milled out

[@austinlange1410]

I just want to say that I still love the Brawl style intro to commander clash ❤️

[@Ricardo-zo1ti]

25 petitioners is definitely not enough

[@MrShinyObject]

Absolutely loved this theme. Partly because of how different it felt, but I also just loved the idea of a meta week. I wonder if poison week would work?

[@anantorizkiadi1800]

We need another Mill Week with Leyline of the Void and cards that tucked itself banned, just a pure mill week

[@zoeysheldon5634]

If you guys haven't done a tribal week where you can't use any creatures who aren't in the tribe you're playing, you really should give it a shot. It's how I like to build tribal decks.

[@remembertobreathe66]

This whole--amazing--episode would give Justin Parnell hives.

[@lukecraig4984]

It would be good to see something like an Atraxa week (or similar versatile commander) where everyone plays the same commander but with completely different strategies (like how Atraxa supports counters, poison, super friends, sagas, etc)

[@Welverin]

I’m disappointed there wasn’t a single Feldon’s Cane among you and only one Feed the Swarm. p.s. I really appreciate the ~1.5 hours episodes recently, I think that’s the sweet spot.

[@lysander3262]

I think a hypothetical anti-Grixis deck would have been the real tech choice in this meta. Just fill the deck with -Rest in Peace effects -Gaea's Blessing effects -Self Hexproof -Artifact and Enchantment removal -Wishes and Riftsweeper effects -Artifact and small creature tutors -Blue and Black hate Let other players flail around killing everyone else, then kill with Painter+Helm/Grindstone, SoBaM triggers, Newlamog, etc. Commander could be Shalai, Gaddock Teeg, Selvala 1, Sigarda 1, Katilda 1. Maybe Jasmine Boreal for the flex. Rocco Cabaretti if you feel the need for a Command Zone tutor. Plus you have the opportunity to kill with Secret Rendezvous!

[@TMidander]

Academy Award Winner episode right here :)

[@nezix]

I want to see another game with these decks!

[@darkxzero13]

Can’t wait for chaos week, if they ever do some kind of 24 hour charity stream 🤣

[@colindyke1041]

One thing that really annoyed me this week was the fact that Crim, Tomer, and Seth's cameras were covering up the cards in library stat. Except when it was mentioned there was now way to see how much "life" each player had left. The life totals weren't nearly as relevant this week as the deck totals. That said I still like this game. A suggestion for a future game theme: You can only win if your commander is on the battlefield when you do the game winning action (so the opponent cannot remove your commander in response), and your commander has mana value of 7 or more.

[@ruudvanlaarhoven5776]

Tomer wins too! He gets to "Clash On!" next week!

[@imprisonedmike]

That could be a theme. Mull to 0 week. Who wouldn’t want to watch that!

[@KellyUnekis]

You can build mono white mill, it's super convoluted but Ornithopter/Grinding Station/Enduring Renewal will go infinite.

[@retropulpo]

The eldrazi and the cards that put your cementery on the library where allowed?

[@vavakxnonexus]

I'd love to see a version of this without Eldrazi-reshuffle effects and Leyline of the Void. It feels like there were a lot of really cool ideas that didn't really get to come out due to the graveyard being so aggressively suppressed from the start of the game. Otherwise, seeing a really mill-focused game was very fun! Very much enjoyed the theme for this ep.

[@duality9017]

How is it mill week and no one is playing Bruvac

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

We banned Bruvac as commander this week to keep things interesting

[@duality9017]

@@MTGGoldfishCommander Okay, That makes sense

[@SuenteusPi]

This was sweet, would like to see more goofy gameplay restrictions in addition to deckbuilding ones

[@atle853]

I still say Grolnok is the best petitioners deck, more dredge than mill though.

[@papanurgle1169]

Wait where is phenax?

[@Zottelkopf115]

The metagaming is really entertaining! Please more of these restrictions

[@notsm]

Only Phil played the Elixir of Immortality. I am disappointed. Otherwise it was a fun game to watch.

[@themoakman]

I'm just at the start of the video and seeing a few Ulamogs in the decklists, sounds a bit unfair in this meta?

[@buddadragonmtg4848]

Lol Seth Seth Seth you infact can build mill deck without blue. My friend runs a mono red goblin mill deck and trust me it is explosive.

[@RatdogtwoMarvel]

Love These Type Of Theme.