Much Abrew: Neoform Evolve (Modern, Magic Online)

[@KregisAurelius]

Been piloting this deck since Prerelease. Dryad Arbor just isnt worth it. This deck really enjoys a 1 of Huatli's Raptor as a 2 drop 2/3 (3/4 with neoform) with vigilance that proliferates your board (including itself making it a 4/5 if you neoformed it). It alone has won me several games Also of note as a nice include is a one of Groundbreaker (Green Ball Lightning) for that extra push. He almost always evolves everything on board, double evolving pelt collector when he dies. Comes out as a 7/2 hasty trample with neoform and will usually let you get that extra push to finish off the opponent. My favorite win was with him. Had 2 voice tokens against Izzet Phoenix with 2 flipped Thing in the Ice's. I was at 2 life to his 15. Played strangleroot > Neoform > Groundbreaker. Had 2 4/4 voice tokens, a 3/2 hasty strangleroot, and a 7/2 hasty groundbreaker to deal 18 damage in a single turn to win an almost definite loss otherwise.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Dryad Arbor is almost never worth it. It feels like I always draw it in my opener, and it's so bad when you're not fetching it out in the late game.

[@maestergallen]

1. I think you can afford to play a bit more basics 2. I think you can afford to find space for spell pierce or negate at least in the SB

[@SomeFreakingCactus]

Boar-boar-gy-mous is my favorite SaffronOlive mispronunciation yet.

[@joegaylord87]

He was so confident and consistent that the bastard made me look up how it was spelled to see if I've been wrong all along.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Is that not right?

[@timlewis1776]

MTGGoldfish no Seth it isn’t haha You used to say it correctly ages ago The ryg part sounds like rig

[@joegaylord87]

+MTGgoldfish, really, do you do this to troll us?

[@JohnDoe-ki6yd]

MTGGoldfish “Bor-bor-rig-mos”

[@bossguydude]

“If our opponent has the nuttiest of *nuts* “

[@BachtotheFutureBWV]

"Hypergeometric calculator awkward". Someone needs to get that added to the list of quotes on twitch! Brilliant!!

[@Unknown-hk1cg]

I played against basically a sultai version of this deck at an FNM during Return to Racnica standard. One of the coolest standard decks I've played against by far.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Nice!

[@parkerdixon-word6295]

I can't help but feel like this deck wants more copies of Renegade Rallier just because it's super sweet to grab off of Neoform, and still totally playable to play strait.

[@KregisAurelius]

as someone whose been piloting this deck since prerelease while Rallier is nice the only really solid grabs most of the time are Strangleroot and Voice so its not that great at more than 1

[@MTGGoldfish]

It was good pretty much every time we played it, another copy or two might be worthwhile.

[@isnotbot1803]

I would love to see a Flayer Drone based deck, it has a lot of potential with spawn and scion engines, and I think it would be really entertaining to watch, especially if Seth is hosting...

[@BenDy3223]

Kalitas the slack jawed yokel might be my favorite Seth joke of all time.

[@grantbriggs2684]

Dan Bosco it has already entered my lexicon. Thanks Seth!

[@zachevans2220]

Dat optimism about Dryad Arbor during the deck tech...

[@merrytime8665]

49:18 bonus unlock! the pongify ape actually has a treetop village for its home.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Flavor combo.

[@stefanoribaudo5738]

23:53 "Which one is noblest?" Saffron is confused, you can feel the urge to scream "the nobleeeest of hierarch!!!". Poor Saffron

[@stefanoribaudo5738]

26:54 never punished

[@DannyWatchUtena]

For commander clash you guys should do an all morophon the boundless game where you all play a different janky tribe.

[@MTGGoldfish]

It's on the Modern Horizons Command Clash list! Going to make it happen.

[@ScaredMotion]

MTGGoldfish Do squirrels or something haha or Kobolds

[@DannyWatchUtena]

Dragons actually seems like a good choice. So does merfolk, zombies or humans.

[@maximiliangunther9597]

Attack with your creatures, wait for blockers, THEN pongify the creature you were going to kill anyway

[@MTGGoldfish]

Makes sense.

[@Funkytrip73]

@@MTGGoldfish Don't forget you can proliferate their blast zone to status 'harmless'... You could have gone evolution sage, land, sac, search land to put it to 3 counters in M2G2

[@sandolsman]

Seth always looses to land flood one way or the another #firstgame

[@lumensmith2001]

The biggest issue with this list is that there is only one avatar. I’ve been playing modern evolve for a while and avatar of the resolute is a top deck blowout card. It’s too important to only run one of in my opinion. The other thing I’d change is the experiment one pelt collector split, but it doesn’t change too much.

[@FyrebirdLP]

for me huatlis raptor worked much better for me than avatar

[@MTGGoldfish]

Huatli's Raptor sounds sweet.

[@lumensmith2001]

Fyrebird I play Simon evolve because I haven’t been able to work very consistently. That does seem really good; it actually reminded me that I still need to test Flux Channeler in my build lol.

[@FyrebirdLP]

@@MTGGoldfish it provides nearly the same Power to the board, and the new power can attack earlier and is more resistant to spot removal. sadly the raptor doesnt come with reach

[@rodeofrancisco6130]

I built a similar deck once. I think champion of lambholt would be sweet in this.

[@fluffmallow1159]

23:00 "Hmm. WOW. Alright, sweet! eh-HEEEEEEEEUUUGH!! Sweet-Sweet! xD

[@harkelin]

FluFF mallow xD

[@grantbriggs2684]

Play Skaab Ruinator damn it! Love that card in evolution decks

[@MTGGoldfish]

Skaab Ruinator could be an interesting tutor target. Getting a big flier seems sweet.

[@grantbriggs2684]

MTGGoldfish and if the game goes long you’ll usually have a graveyard that’ll support casting it. I see this as a total win ;) Edit: or recurring it after a board wipe etc.

[@codelicious6590]

I've not watched a Seth brew for quite a while, it's nice to see that magnificent beard onscreen! Love dem brews man, Neoform reminds me of that mechanic from SOI block....uh...shit. Emerge!

[@anaphysik]

41:55 It may have been better to have Deputy of Detention permanently eat a bunch of their clues instead (Deputy is nonland permanent)?

[@myztik5716]

They would just sac the one being targeted and fizzle Deputy

[@anaphysik]

Ah, right!

[@Boberman286]

Grishowlbrand can fizzle. You should make them show you more.

[@grantbriggs2684]

A Ranger-Captain of Eos might be a cool card to try. Neoform a strangleroot get ranger to get whatever you need, maybe run some one of utility creatures in the sideboard. Dryad Militant comes to mind, maybe a hexdrinker if you’re flooded. Or just get the value of getting more of your 1 drops.

[@benwix9099]

Do you think you could play neoform in the old deck, without making it bant, for budget reasons?

[@davidhansen5067]

Strangleroot Geist out there strangling Seth at 1:50...

[@ben_clifford]

Fun deck. It seems like the new Horizon lands could help with the flood problem.

[@nathanp9684]

I feel like ranger captain of eos would be good here as a tutor target or in the sideboard. seems great as a draw 2 etb basically and you can sac to protect from a wrath/teferi in the control matchup to help go long

[@MTGGoldfish]

Seems like another good tutor target, probably worth it as a one-of.

[@DarthTUK]

The manabase in this deck makes me angry. 4 basic lands should be the absolute minimum for modern these days. You with your love of Blood Moons should know the most. I know you're trying to have fast aggro games, but from all the games you got Path to exiled, Settled, Blood Mooned and Strip Mined by Ghost Quarters and Field of Ruins. When Modern Horizons becomes legal I'm ready for greedy people killing themselves with their manabases.

[@Bryce4Belle]

Some of the players at FNM need to evolve.

[@davidsterling4327]

I know this is pretty budget except the mana and voices, is there a possibility for a ultrabudget version, I’m brewing my own but I’d like to see one from a noncasual

[@Kechlivecek]

I think you can go more budget if you cut White, though you would need to find good replacements for White cards. It would cut Voices and make you mana base a lot nicer and cheaper. I like this deck and was thinking whether there are any new Modern Horizons cards that could improve it. For more aggresive build, you might use some pumps (I'm thinking the new Scale Up, which can do up to 6 more damage (if played on Raptor) and can help you with Overloading if both players don't want to attack, or something that also grants protection like Blossoming Defense of Vines of Vastwood), else I am not sure. I thought Crashing Footfalls might have been good as your creature-power topper, but we already have so many one-drops there probably wouldn't be time to play it (if you lose your T1 Raptor/Experiment/Collector, you have to play them T2 into another one-drop, T3 you would probably need to play your 2-drops and it feels like it's too slow; Footfalls tokens also don't have haste, so T5 4/4s unable to attack might not be good enough), although even if we had a space to play it, it probably wouldn't be a good late game draw.

[@MTGGoldfish]

www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-88-13-tix-pelt-collector-evolve-modern

[@iceburnhex]

Seth, probably better known as Saffron Olive, I have a suggestion I've rarely if ever seen you use. You could be a bit more aggressive when attacking and having pognify/rapid hybridization in hand. For instance, opponent had Scavenging Ooze out with Liliana at 1 counter. You had 2 creatures on board. Could have attacked into Lili with both, and pog the ooze once he declares blocks to save both your creatures, kill the lili, and get rid of the ooze. Sure, you get hit for 3 on the back swing, but your overall board state in most cases (especially with them at empty hand) goes way up.

[@dizman1235]

Non-deck tech nerds: 5:11

[@BBBr0ny]

Thank you. :)

[@MultiTaz333]

The deck tech is essential to figure what's going on lol

[@EionBlue]

Also super deck tech nerds who already know the deck because they already saw it being played or explained elsewhere. :)

[@Stefanish]

So many missplays against that BG. Nice to see you trying the deck tho!

[@NightmareFuelsYou]

How did this deck flood out so much with 21 lands? Man, I was getting so frustrated...

[@Stray7]

Everything is three mana or less, so you'll just empty your hand really quick and be left to the mercy of topdecking. Which means any land pockets hurt quite a lot.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Something like Chart a Course might be worth it to work through land pockets. Apart from Evolution Sage we don't really ever need more than three lands.

[@aaronfreeman8252]

Is he playing the spiritiest of spirits? OH which ones noblest? Nobler?

[@bronsonkim6652]

XD "Field of ruin, probably better known as Wasteland"

[@Kealan124]

That single basic is super greedy, the u/w control's paths and settles kept punishing you for it.

[@Nicc11221]

match 1 game 1... starts crying. This is why we watch Seth specifically!

[@Zerothas]

At 48:41 why not swing both at Lili and pongify after blocks? Keep both of your guys, gets lili off the field and ooze downgrades to an ape.

[@MTGGoldfish]

I think in the long run we need to get rid of the Scavenging Ooze since it shuts down most of our deck (by eating our undying creatures). Plus it was pretty big.

[@kristofferhorst8694]

Maybe try a different variant with explore and proliferate to combat the land drawing?

[@mawouel9606]

Well this isn't standard. Explore in modern is extremely slow and you still don't have anything to do with the extra lands in your hand. Two actual solutions would be : play a one of tireless tracker so you can neoform it and get value from a land heavy hand. Or play more canopy lands (a playset of U/G canopy lands from MH1 seems a good idea).

[@peterbillings7806]

What about a couple eldritch evolutions?

[@nathanp9684]

or knight captain? i can remember which is which

[@camfunme]

Game 1, why not hold up Rapid Hybridization?

[@Ygo1ohcysP]

camfunme I would think that 4 damage a turn is not fast enough of a clock to pressure the opponent and lets them have more time to sculpt their hand

[@Borkybaby]

Pongify and vapor snag is very underrated. Disperse and vapor snag and seal of removal are very underrated cards in modern and legacy. I never get beat by a gurmag angler 🤷‍♂️

[@MTGGoldfish]

I've always had good luck with Vapor Snag too. Pongify is a bit sketchy, but it is good when you can also use it on your own creatures for value.

[@Borkybaby]

MTGGoldfish this is why we get along. We both love venser, like vapor snag and thoroughly enjoy careless whisper hahahahaah

[@robertmauch1246]

What do we learned this Week :D Neoform never apears xD

[@Nrdyco]

I get that he started with a 5 land hand early game but 2 of those lands were fetches... can someone explain to me why he didn't want to start with that? I mean I would think that it would be good to thin out his deck, less lands to draw into/less dead draws... I mostly play EDH and only a lil bit of modern for fun... So to me... the more lands I start with, my logic tells me "Less lands I'll draw into"

[@leekyonion]

Because it's not fast enough and you essentially gamble on drawing your pieces. ESPECIALLY in such a combo dependent deck like renimator

[@leekyonion]

Whiffing on draws for 3 major pieces can hurt. 1. Goryo's/Breach 2. Discard/Cantrips/Filters 3. Your key monsters in the graveyard Literally too many conditions to be having that many lands

[@MTGGoldfish]

This deck only really wants three lands, so starting with five is pretty close to the same as mulliganing to five (since we have two lands that are basically dead cards). We were also against a really fast combo deck, so to have any chance we either need a graveyard hate card or a fast start to try to race, five lands doesn't really help with either plan.

[@SparTadepT]

8 lands out of 19 after seeing 20 cards, is not *that* unlikely in game 1. ~25% I assume his other card in hand was another goryo's, trying to hit Grisselbrand off the Borbor mill to draw 7 and then finish you with lands drawn, and just got there off the desperation night's whisper.

[@FlawlessRhythmGG]

Always play more basics for blood moon. Come on man.

[@Daralome]

FlawlessRhythm pretty much

[@TheMattmatic]

And Path, Settle, Trophy...

[@motivatedposter3980]

It feels like either experiment one or pelt collector needs to be cut. Too many times where you drew 4 evolvers and nothing to evolve with. Also gavoney township? Feels like a great fit here

[@TeddyKeezer]

It does my heart good to see UW Control losing to Neoform Evolve

[@MTGGoldfish]

I'm pretty surprised we won that game.

[@Stephen-ls9le]

When people split pong and rapid why do they favor pong ? Rapid is cheaper so can’t we prioritize it to 4 and fill out the slot with less pongs ? Just trying to save a buck but I don’t want to miss something important

[@justwantawholename]

I think they are functionally the same so rapid is fine to prioritize. Whichever is cheaper!

[@Ygo1ohcysP]

Rick is correct and they are exactly the same

[@FyrebirdLP]

cause some decks mainboard surgical extraction

[@elliotyamamoto38]

8 fetches but only 5 fetchable lands, is that not greedy? Especially when settle the wreckage and path wrecked you.

[@MTGGoldfish]

It might be a bit light, I usually like 6-7 fetchable lands (something like 4-5 shocks and two basics).

[@ItsMeBoingo]

What deck from last week is he talking about link pls

[@MTGGoldfish]

It was a couple of weeks ago, but www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/much-abrew-neobrand-modern-magic-online

[@binksee]

28:35 op should have pathed young wolf in response to pongify would probably have won

[@jonathansnow21]

Why so few basics in this deck?

[@TommEboi]

Why no lavinia against reanimater?

[@MTGGoldfish]

I'm not sure it does enough. It can slow down Reanimator by a turn if they are on the Simian Spirit Guide plan, but it seems unlikely to really win us the game most of the time.

[@TheMattmatic]

The Stranglerootiest of Geists

[@leegammon1267]

Hey Seth with the current meta I feel your woefully lacking on actual hard graveyard hate

[@ignisbad9158]

Why no CoCo?

[@MTGGoldfish]

CoCo might be worth including. We probably have enough creatures to make it work, although we don't have a ton of super powerful hits

[@chemset475]

I love Renegade Rallier

[@MTGGoldfish]

I think that maybe we should add another copy to the deck, Rallier was good pretty much every time we drew it.

[@chemset475]

@@MTGGoldfish Seems like the possibility of recursion of the 1- and 2-drops can end up pretty pivotal for the gameplan here, definitely!

[@datboi5906]

5:11

[@wreagin1]

Seth you’re great, but you’re sequencing was really bad with this deck

[@fdterritory]

I bought this a couple of weeks ago after watching the first video, and it's a lot of fun....but. But it can't compete against the broken T2/3 decks, and it's possible that Neoform gets banned (rather than Allosaurus Rider which should be the actual target) and makes it worthless. At least it's fun when you actually get to play...

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, fast combo does seem to be a weakness. The deck is fast, but not fast enough to race turn two Griselbrand.

[@xavisimon3095]

The greadiest of mana bases. 22 lands seems to much for this mana curve. The oozes are the onli mana sinks you have if you flood. I'll suggest to remove the driad land an add a duskwatch recruiter, you can find it with neoform if you flood. And replace 2 non basics with 1 basic of each kind.

[@aappaapp6627]

Podless pod but with counters

[@ethanfordford6621]

Never tutor for dyrad arbor when you flood is the obvious line

[@ScaredMotion]

ngl a really nice idea.

[@mattwakeford9060]

Feels like the deck needs more basics...

[@johnp2921]

Yeah I said the same thing when Jim Davis played it

[@MultiTaz333]

Isn't vannifar just better?

[@EionBlue]

Borborygmos, more like BorBORINGmos, amirite? Eh? Eh?

[@Borkybaby]

Modern you say? I’ll turkey :)

[@SnapBolt]

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[@ziziorens348]

F u.

[@marcusgarcia4343]

Cloudfin Raptor tron

[@MTGGoldfish]

Maybe the least threatening Tron in Modern.

[@MultiTaz333]

Gavony township

[@CSDragon]

Wait, Neoform for Dryad Arbor? I don't think any CMC Negative 1 creatures exist. Oh boy, there's gonna be a punt in this video isn't there?

[@Rueler18]

Neoform is +1 CMC

[@MTGGoldfish]

You can sacrifice it to get a one-drop if desperate.

[@CSDragon]

@@MTGGoldfish Oh, I thought you meant GET an arbor from neoform

[@Cryptogab94]

If only degenerate combo decks were banned.. It's so lame when you play a game and don't have any interactions with your opponent..

[@asmodean7239]

REALLY? ONE BASIC???

[@John-Laird]

2nd.

[@Intelligent_Turtle]

Experiment One has seem some shit in the thumbnail

[@domoarigato9865]

Ahora esa carta (neoform) paso a ser para un mazo cualquiera y bastante aburrido. Al menos antes tenia la cuestion del mulligan en la primera mano y ganar en el segundo o primer turno. Ruina.

[@TheFrankencrx]

I don't know how many more videos of yours I can watch because of you screaming into your mic when you get excited. Buy a mic screen or something.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@xXNoFateXx]

Why not see if you can top the land and just Deputy the Brand in game 2?..... Seems a lil early to just throw away the game, I understand the odds are in no way in your favor.... But seriously, your not pressed for time at all. Your not at a GP, where time constraints are a serious issue to consider. Just feel like your teaching some bad habits to new players by scooping early, you had a very real chance of winning that game.

[@Ygo1ohcysP]

It is because the grishoalbrand deck usually wins the turn it goes off or sets it’s self up to win the next turn and the deputy would not have mattered because the demon would be sacrificed to the Goryo’s vengeance trigger.

[@xXNoFateXx]

@@Ygo1ohcysPI totally understand that.. and how the deck works... but he still could have played the next 1 or 2 turns out. Think of your outs, verbalize them, explain via example why you have little chance of winning and that this would have bin a game worth ditching in a major tourny to make sure you can eat or pee before the next round starts. Instead of ditching a winnable game early, simply because your impatient or think that you already know the outcome. Especially when you have no other reason to quit the match, at all. Thats the point I was trying to make.

[@Ygo1ohcysP]

David Moser I agree with not scooping so early especially for video sake and I believe that the out he was playing for was 1 more turn without his opponent combing off

[@MTGGoldfish]

Once Griselbrand hits the battlefield it's basically too layr. Often Griselbrand just wins immediately, and if they don't win immediately they draw enough cards that even if we can Deputy Griselbrand the next turn they'll be able to combo again.

[@Makingnewnamesisdumb]

Why do you talk like that? Nobody talks like that.

[@Wolf462]

Makingnewnamesisdumb I know right. I sorta like his channel but its nails on a chalkboard. If I knew how to do subtitles I totally would and mute him forever

[@123456789moification]

Without london mulligan this aint even close to be competitive

[@MTGGoldfish]

I don't think this deck really benefits much from London mulligans actually.

[@FyrebirdLP]

i played this in paper at the fnm for several times and it works extremely well with the old mulligan

[@f2v2productions22]

Nope. Cadance and pace of the commentary us too offputting, I can't watch anymore.

[@xXNoFateXx]

Thanks for letting us know.....