Multi-element packet stacking part 2: Why mine sucked and how to make a good one.

In my last video I explored an idea for a packet stacker that clearly had some weaknesses. I scienced it harder and decided that it sucks. I explain all that and show you how to make a good one.

[@gunnervine]

i didn't understand how piping mechanics worked in this game until watching your videos. now i still dont understand but i have enough knowledge to be dangerous.

[@Caesar512]

Your ending is low-key comidic

[@jensjensen7504]

might not be everyones favorite topic, but some of us likes this optimisation stuff. Keep em coming! Guess the same works for liquids, hmm.

[@jerzyswiecicki4519]

Very interesting. Thanks

[@the1gofer]

That’s cool, but why do you need to stack them?

[@Ibian666]

As awesome as this is (and it is, I don't understand it without spending a few hours ingame), the only reason it works is because the physics engine is as limited as it is. It... how does it go... Breaks my Immersion.

[@tonyadvanced6315]

I find it best to imagine oni physics as an alternate reality Where everything works differently, slightly.

[@larrylindgren9484]

Why would you care to have full packets of gas? Seems like a waste of whatever it does.

[@moldycarrot9267]

-What is my purpose? -You stack packets. -..Oh my god

[@Rokkiteer]

I love learning, thanks for the opportunity to do that. Subbed

[@tonyadvanced6315]

Sweet!

[@let4be]

The main question is "why?"... from my experience this has very little practical implication within the game. Usually you just isolate the system, vacuum it and from here it's just a single type of air packets going out to a specific destination. Good from the point of learning internals of oni though!

[@BouncingTribbles]

When you're vacuuming out an area and you're using a gas filter to sort things it uses the same amount of power no matter how big a packet goes through it. So a stream of 10g packets will use the same power as a full pipe. This is a general concept, so any device that is just active if it has a packet can be optimized using a system like this. There are also advanced filtering techniques that use passive loops with small packets to pull packets out of a line, so this can make sure all the packets on a line can be picked up cleanly. I'm thinking about building an infinite storage for fluids and gases and using something like that to sort everything before storing it

[@Mark-xt8jp]

My experience has been with pumping gasses out of a large area, as well as other sources like the oil wells and natural gas. I have various pipes all feeding into my gas storage system, and I would have lots of little packets going in and it was slow. With this setup I can maximize my throughput for faster pumping, and many people enjoy a fast pump!

[@scaltra6709]

Thank you for these videos. I'll be honest it took me a bit of learning and thought to really grasp the concept of these things but now that I do these videos are great.

[@dawsonwilliams546]

Your outro is so sudden it gives me whiplash.

[@IcoKirov]

there is a mod for that.

[@Nasarias]

Keep it up mate, great videos!

[@LeffHynebridge]

This was an excellent video, thank you very much. I wish there was an explanation of the interaction between the valves and shutoffs, and in the final version why a second valve fixed the problem. Let me know if there's a video covering that more in depth.

[@LeffHynebridge]

Bah I'm dumb it's explained in the first video. YT gave me this one and I watched it first.

[@tonyadvanced6315]

@@LeffHynebridge I was just about to give you the link. :)

[@LLYoutube565]

I loved this video!

[@michaelsotomayor5001]

"my power never goes out" lmao besides learning this topic, what is very important that I believe I learned (gotta try it) is going into screenshot mode while in a certain overlay. It's hard to see the pipes working with the buildings obstructing.. but in your video it looks so nice. Thank you.

[@2000Meilen]

I have a question about the design shown around the 11:00 mark. Can you just flip a second module upside down and put two of them in an overlapping fashion on the pipe to save some space? These two tiles between the valve and shutoff seem perfect to put the two valves of another module in.

[@MarkLegendsUA]

I cant get why do we need this stacker? Can someone give an example?

[@tonyadvanced6315]

For me, it's a way of making space in a pipe so you can cram more stuff in it. Usually to send it to filtering and such. It's a lot less trouble to filter one pipe than two, or ten.

[@TheLoneWolfling]

I have two mixed-element pipes, say, two air pump elements. I want to merge them.

[@buder5116]

i woulv'd needed this in my base because i was sending all extra stuff to a door compressor room

[@Daemonworks]

Also, anything that has a per-packet cost will benefit from having fewer individual packets. Little efficiencies add up.

[@MascotCoding]

Wow! You're talking from a whole different level than I'm listening, but I try to follow. Love your content!

[@Technomancr]

ohhh theres a part 2 lol

[@tonyadvanced6315]

Yeah. :) You were right about the failures in the first video.

[@edwardcullen1739]

This is only necessary when you have dispersed sources. If you have a single source for a gas/liquid, then it makes sense to do the stacking at the source so the input to your bus is always full packets. Also, the problem with all these designs is that they reduce overall flow; I'm struggling to see the value when the output has empty space in it - surely it's better to have something in the pipe than nothing?

[@Eyrlumi]

The overall flow is still the same; an input of 100g/s will have the same rate of flow whether it's kept as packets of 100g/s or stacked to one 1kg packet every 10s. The most obvious use case I can think of as to why it might be preferable to do so is when considering utilities like the Thermo Regulator or Thermo Aquatuner; a Regulator will use 240W per packet regardless of if it's 1g or 1kg. Feeding 100g packets every second would therefore consume 10x more power than feeding 1kg packets every 10s.

[@Saktoth]

The amount of energy you put in to separate your gasses only to shove them all back into one pipe. 😅

[@tonyadvanced6315]

It's true. :)